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EPISODE 19 (May 17, 2007) The comedy episode with Kate McKinnon.
GUEST: The Big Gay Sketch Show's Kate McKinnon
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Yay!
Arrested Development IS the greatest show ever! Fox sucks!
Kate McKinnon's funny and has awesome taste in shows. I want to see her Rachael Ray impersonation even though RR's voice drives me crazy.
Aw, last show. Can't wait until next season.
julie, julie...
i am sorry to say that i do not like julie either. she is ill mannered and annoying. what she does not realize is being loud does not equal funny. i feel her adrupt vocal expressions are not well thought out, and mostly she is a gross addition to the ssw cast.
Ditto
nice...
The Namesake is an awesome movie. Feel bad that this is the last show till fall and I think SSW had a terrific run!
Sorry but...
I'm sorry but I can't let the Shirley Q Liquor thing go. Shirley Q Liquor is not funny but incredibly offensive, blackface is not a joke and not something to be laughed at. Shirley Q Liquor is not trying to draw people's attention to biases but rather continue to reinforce them. Shirley Q Liquor has been met with protests at almost every venue where he's set to appear and has even been condemned by GLAAD. There are lines that you can cross in comedy and Shirley Q Liquor has done so.
Love the show, and gonna miss it this summer, but just had to say that
ITA
last one..
Already the last show before next fall? i'm gonna miss it! About today's show itself: Kate McKinnon seems fun, funny and nice! And Lauren's still very fun! (she'll be back next fall, right?!)
But... okay, I don't mean to be *mean* or anything... but Julie kinda annoys me... she talks way too much!!! since she's been in "she said what?" it's like it always has to be about her..
Oh noez, no more SSW!
Great show - especially Lauren!
Great show, am going to miss it until fall.
Anyone else think Lauren looked particularly cute in this one?!
I like this Kate person. In
I like this Kate person. In what I saw of the big gay sketch show she was quite funny. I'm looking forward to the Rachael Ray skit. I hate Rachael Ray. I hope it mocks $40 a day and how she doesn't tip more than 5 cents. Bitch. :(
Last show? Pfft. I knew this already from the best lesbian week ever post but still it saddens me. Hopefully when it comes back you all will be able to make the program a bit longer each week. :)
Anyone else keep expecting Julie to lean too hard on the back legs of her chair and knock over the "wall" behind her? haha Now that's comedy!
A sidenote to Sarah Warn: You should probably update the cohosts section of the she said what mainpage since Chagmion left and Julie joined. No rush though since the show is done until the fall :)
Julie vs. TheChair
im just sayin'
i love this show but i must ask why is it so important for Stacyann to COUNT the black ppl? I saw it in the previous episode and now in this one... is it something like Tourette's? it's kind of annoying... i know some people do it as a way of fighting discrimination, but i think pointing out the number of white/black people everywhere all the time is making it a big deal which is what in the end leads to discriminations... i think my point is WHO CARES! she should be counting the number of gay people, and she'll be glad to find out that in SSW's set EVERYONE'S gay... now that number should make her happy! better yet, she shouldnt count anything at all... just sayin'...
Luved this kate girl... it's great to see she's so young and confident with who she is
Agree...
representation matters
In checking in to see how many Black people or people of color in general are represented is important, because if you look at the history of discrimination within the LGBT community, you will see that historically Black LGBT people have been marginalized and been made invisible by the movement at large, and this is still an issue. So yes it would be nice to just count all the gay people but you can't look at this without context. Increasing visibility and representation is one of the reasons behind this site, recognizing that Lesbians have been ignored in society and even in the Gay community. So why get mad at Staceyann when she does this for Black people? I'm grateful that she's on the show, and that she does "count".
anti-racism
diversity vs. i-like-seeing-people-like-me
do you count the number of people with disabilities? religious affiliation? country of origin/accent? (cuz that is a different thing than race) diversity in ages?
I'm really glad that people are paying attention to representation of women and lgtb people, it would be a travesty not to, since lesbian identity can essentially be broken down in to these two things (ofcourse it is more than the sum of its parts.) However, race is no more intrinsically associated with lesbian identity politics than any of the other marginalized groups I refered to above.
I find it extremely frusterating and disheartening that "diversity" so often just means "people of different races" or occasionally, depending of what college campus you're on (I went to U of T) non-hetero sexuality.
Advocating for diversity, in my opinion, is a much bigger and more important job than just advocating for the inclusion of people who look like you (black if you're black, gy if you're gay, etc.) Its about challenging boring stereotypes ( eg showing that butch women are sexually sought after by many gay ladies) and showing realities that aren't often seen by those who don't live them (think Josh Blue, the winner of last year's Last Comic Standing). It's about exactly what it sounds like: diversity- improving the variety of real experience/identities portrayed in art and media, and by doing so, increasing the scope of our acceptance, and even what we come to expect.
Wanting to see black people instead of white people because you are black and not white, in some ways, is actually the opposite of this ethos. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for "counting," but not in a one issue/identity kind of way. The question shouldn't be "how many [black if I'm black, Jewish if Im Jewish etc] are there" but "how many different races/sexualities/religions/ages/physical abilities/other differences that aren't categorized as often or as easily. In short, how much diversity is there?
I actually thing the AE does the best job of this of anyone out there, and its one of the main reasons why I check in every day and have tremendous respect for its contributors.
oops- I accidentally posted
thank you..
... you guys do such an awesome job!!!
stacyann extremely blunt and honest views..(and the constant question of how many BLACKS are there, WE ARE UNDER REpresented rant..never gets old.. its clear she does it a) out of frustration and desire to getblacks recognition.. but b) she makes for such a great 'assertive' voice.. and just makes for such great comedy...(in most cases i'm laughing with her)
thanks so much sarah, just for persisting and so passionately doing what you love!!!
Awesome
louder please?
Am I the only one who can hardly hear something? I have the Volume turned up to the max and i don't get half of what they're saying :-(
Do my ears deceive me?
Maybe it was weird editing, but at one point does Lauren go "but the show SUCKS!" re: The Big Gay Sketch Show? (It's right at the point where they're telling Staceyann that one of the black castmembers is straight) I just think that's bizarre to say with two castmembers right there, one of whom she'll presumbably be working with again come fall. Maybe I heard it wrong? Maybe she was kidding?
Also, my crush on Kate is growing by the second.
maybe...
i think she said "then the show sucks" referring to the fact, that not all cast members are gay .....
I don't know *shrug*
yeah
yeah that's totally what she meant, she was being sarcastic
I thought that was pretty
"But the show sucks"
Re:
Kate's Great!
I've never seen her before (or the Gay Sketch Show), but she's hilarious! And very cute! Oh and Arrested Development is awesome. And FUTCH! Loves it!
It's going to be a long long wait until the next episode, but it will be worth it!
website
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Kate McKinnon is sooooooooooooooo gorgeous!! .... and funny!! .... and did I mention gorgeous?????
To sodomy,
It's between God and me.
I totally agree with Journey_W
Yo Julie Goldman, I'm Calling You Out
I think my little friend can best describe my sentiments on Shirley Q. Liquor
And Julie Goldman, what say you about this douchebag's propagation of racist stereotype?
"I think it's funny"
So you think its funny, I can't fault you for that. However, I will fault you for defending this racist prick with the pathetic excuse of "it’s all about intent".
Blackface was never intended to be offensive. The intent of blackface was to make people laugh, namely, white people. Innocent enough right? Here's the catch, Black face, Yellow face, Red face, (insert face here) draws laughter from mockery; mockery that lends to the systematic degradation and dehumanization of entire groups of people. Charles Knipp is no exception.
While they say sarcasm is the lowest from of humor, I find mockery particularly primitive. As a "comic" you should know this.
I’m sure Charles Knipp intends to be funny and yet his welfare check receiving, 40 ounce drinking, hyper-sexualized image of “Shirley” is a perverted rendering of black women.
If you find this funny, you need to do some serious introspection.
I like Julie Goldman a lot.
what's so funny about this?
But the real question is?
I'm not sure if your point
I'm not sure if your point is that even if its funny it's still racist, or that it isn't funny because it is racist.
I think the former is a really interesting point- is whether a performance succeeds in entertaining even related to the value (pos or neg) of its social impact?
on second thought (and read)
I almost didn't write this because I wasn't sure of my own feelings until I reread your post - and some others. But I take issue with your implication that Julie's ignorance (or what you and others have seen as ignorance) is a necessary and- you seemed to imply- even inevitable consequence of her race. Simply put, that white people 'just can't understand.'
It would be naive to say that the identity of someone speaking about identity politics is mute. That is possible or even fair to expect "color-blind" discussions. Earlier I posted some questions about how much the identity of the speaker matters, and I wasn't trying to prove a point but initiate discussion, I really am curious to see other people's views, in part because I haven't totally made up my own mind on the issue.
But I am comfortable thinking- and advocating- this much: inferring a person's experiences, motivations, and opinons from the color of their skin and then using these inferences (consciously or subconsciously, in part or whole) to judge that person is racist. And wrong. And it really seemed, from rereading your post carefully that you were doing that (purposefully or not).
Oversimplification
Oh Sister ..
"I don't think that labeling me a racist, ( which is impossible because I am black)...."
Simply making that statement pretty much proves her right. We all can, and are racists in varying states.
Lisa
Race + Power = Racism
Let me clarify, we can discriminate, be prejudicial, but people of color cannot be racist. Racism a systemic function where minority groups are institutionally disadvantaged based on the color of their skin. Since blacks and other minority groups cannot systematically disadvantage groups their we cannot be racist. I may personally take issues against Whites, but can I and other who look like me keep white people from owning nearly half of the wealth in this country, have 7 times more of chance of their having their resumes reviewed based on WASP name, or receive the benefits based on what people of color didn't receive. The answer is no. Ex; the GI bill, redlining, etc... Racism is Race + Power.
Thanks for patronizing "sister" label.
"Enjoying Life"
no, counting black people is
no, counting black people is not a form of tourette syndrome. this is about a situation where counting skills aren't required really, because you are the only black person around. and after all, people of color are the majority of the world's population, so the question why we are constantly expected to gladly identify with white 'representatives' seems sane rather than a syndrome of any kind of illness.
one of the reasons that afterellen is an awesome site is that it never fell into this trap, the inclusion of women of color always appeared as a matter of course. and ssw was great because it included more than the token one black woman (at least that's something I really liked about it). actually, the more you have of us, the more you get the point that we're not just "the black voice," "the asian lesbian" or whatever but individuals with a ton of different opinions and experiences all of which however are shaped by living in a world in which e.g. apparently blackface is considered a hilariously funny form of entertainment by a large segment of the queer community.
and I don't think it's weird that staceyann felt like addressing this. with chagmion gone she can't help but at times appear as the one who always brings up 'race issues,' not becaue of anything she actually does, but because she is the only non-white person present. in a group that includes julie goldman. because all white people aren't the same either and sarah has shown frequently that she is able to intelligently address (or not address) issues of race and representation. julie on the other hand clearly seems to be determined to educate us in racism 101: start with grabbing a black woman's hair and then claim racism is always a question of intent. perfect. but didn't don imus just teach us the same lesson? I really don't think that I should go through that same crap in my own community so I'll stop watching ssw, though I think replacing julie would be a much better solution.
Sigh
not just what is said, but by whom?
would you find Julie's opinions (ie. i think it's funny, i don't think he means it that way etc.) less (or more) offensive if they were said by a black woman?
why is it necessarily Stacey-Ann's place to raise issues of race? because other people would be less inclined? or less entitled?
why is it a problem (if indeed it is, or would be) for the other panel members to overlook racial diversity when Stacey-Ann rarely "counts" any other minority groups?
I think ...
one of the things that has held back the gay rights movement, is the fact that we have so many DIFFERENT gay rights movements. We have the gays, and the lesbians, and the black gays, and the black lesbians, and the asian gays, and the asian lesbians ... you get the point. Yes, we all have different opinions and experiences, but perhaps it would be better to have one voice, before we try to have ten, or thousands.
A big reason why the black civil rights movement was successful was because there was no division. Skin color was what united them, and it didn't matter if the person was fair skinned, or medium, or dark; it wasn't white.
"The Big Gay Sketch Show" is not the civil rights movement, but in counting blacks vs whites, or men vs. women, we forget what the common denominator of the show is, GAY.
And it shouldn't matter if we're black, or white or yellow or green, we're not straight. Let's stand together with one voice. As the queens stood with the bears at Stonewall, let us be one.
Lisa
A community is not a monolith
The importance of any movement is getting rid of this notion of a monolithic community. The civil rights movement was successful in some of its aims because it did speak from a monolithic voice, but this notion of a monolithic black community is what has hurt the Black community, and what Black LGBT people have been fighting against. Because when you have a monolithic image people are always left out. Being one does not mean letting go of your own cultural identity.
Unity is definitely important but within the LGBT community unity has meant that all identities absolve into white and male. The continued invisibility of Queer women of color does nothing but reinforce this past. AE does a great job of including women of color, but if you see on the best lesbian week ever, its hard enough for them to find information on actual lesbian or bi women, and try and find women of color and its even harder. It is unfair and biased for women of color to come together under the banner of LGBT when the people reflecting that don't reflect them or their experiences at all. And also to deny racism within the LGBT community, further hinders the goal of unity Shirley Q Liquor is a perfect example.
Points all ...
well taken. However, I don't think that our unity, or even being monolithic, means that anyone has to be left out. If someone is left out, it is because they choose to be.
I've just always felt that any time a group with a common goal, is divided by smaller groups with less-common goals, it has hurt the larger group. In my work, I have a first hand seat for the fight for disabled rights. I have seen that the blind community doesn't really care about the plight of those who use wheelchairs, and those who use wheelchairs don't care about the difficulties of those who are visually impaired. And neither of those groups care about the difficulties faced by the MH/MR community. I have seen first hand how the division within the disabled community has hurt their fight for a common goal, and I cannot help but wonder how much the division in the gay community has also hindered us. The war adage is, "Divide and conquer" afterall, not "unite and conquer."
I'm not sure if your comment about denying racisim in the LGBT community was directed at me, or just a general comment, but I will say that I never intended to deny it at all. Racism, in my opinion, is a sad fact of life, and it will never be eliminated. What makes us different, also makes it easy to make us seperate.
For the record, I don't fault Stacyann for asking how many black people there are on the show. It is only natural to want to see people like ourselves. (I do kinda question someone who says they don't like comedy though. Who doesn't like to laugh? but I digress) I want to see gay people why shouldn't Stacyann want to see people of color?
Lisa
Good points, but..
Well while you guys make your valid points about racism and everything, I'm going to stare googly-eyed at Kate. She's too good to be true...
And I will seriously miss SSW. I love it, and I love ALL the hosts (including Julie Goldman). I anxiously await the return of the show!
so racism sucks
but white privlidge??? what the hell i find that really offensive and believe that it reinforces this stupid us them mentality that fuels racism in the first place. Just because your white dosent automatically determine that your going to have this awesome problem free existance. Also being white dosent mean that your not going to be empathetic with those on the recieving end of racism or prejudice. I think everyone has made some very valid points and this is clearly a sensitive issue to many and i mean no disrespect.
clarification
White privilege isn't about saying that just because you are white your life is going to be problem free and everything will be great. White privilege is the little added bonuses that you don't even realize that are gained just because of your skin color. White privilege is having the ability to walk around and not think about race or racism, not have to engage other cultures and experiences because yours is considered the norm. Privilege is not only relegated to skin color, but also gender, sexuality, class, ability, age etc.
You are right being white does not mean that you lack the ability to empathetic to racial injustice. There have been and will continue to be many strong white allies fighting against racial injustice, but what all of these allies have in common is they recognize how their privilege has shaped their experiences. I hope this makes it a little more clear.
that does clear it up
hooray!