A Quickie with Joni Lefkowitz


With a new web series, a pilot for HBO in post production, and a “Reality Bites for the MySpace

generation” project in development, out writer-actor Joni Lefkowitz is one

of the women to watch in 2009.

Lefkowitz and her writing partner and co-star, Susanna Fogel, first gained notoriety

with their wry YouTube videos in which they filmed themselves looking for

parking, going for fast food, and complaining about the early picket line hours

during the WGA writers’ strike.

Less than a year later, Lefkowitz and Fogel came up with the eponymous

series, Joni & Susanna which is now a part of the original

programming line up on TheWB.com, Warner Bros’ video-on-demand


Lefkowitz talked to AfterEllen recently about her new show and its depiction

of the darker side of women’s friendships; lesbian films; and why being gay

isn’t interesting enough to be the focus of her work.

AfterEllen: Congratulations on your

new original web series Joni & Susanna. What’s it about?

Joni Lefkowitz:
It’s basically about two co-dependent best friends who

secretly don’t want the other one to be ahead of them in life. So, there’s a

lot of passive aggression and subtly sabotaging of the other one, so that

neither one of us is ahead in life. But at all times, we’re like: “This is

my best friend. I love her!”

AE: Well, that’s healthy. Please tell

me you’re commenting on the stereotype that women don’t support each other, and

not just acting like two bitches.

Yes. Unfortunately, I think that stereotype can happen a lot. Usually, when you see it on TV, it’s very

obvious. But I think it’s a little more subtle than that in real life. It’s

usually about the jealousy we have with each other and an underlying competitiveness

in real life.

AE: How long have you been

collaborating with your frenemy/co-star/writing partner, Susanna Fogel.

JL: We met at a sketch comedy class at Second City

in LA in 2002. We sort of bonded by making fun of the other people in class, as

we do on our show. That was where I discovered that writing was what I wanted

to do.

AE: And Susanna is straight. How much

of a gay-straight alliance is the show?

It’s not made into a huge deal. We wanted to make a point of not

calling much attention to the fact that I’m gay on it. We have one episode

where I come out to my mom, but other than that, it’s dealt with very casually.

We wanted that to be one thing about our friendship that we don’t really have

an issue.

AE: Lesbian-straight girl friendships

haven’t been explored as frequently as the Will

& Grace

Lesbians and straight girls are the perfect marriage because the

lesbian isn’t a threat to the straight girl’s game, and the straight girl gets

validation from the thought that if she were gay, the lesbian would want to be

with her.

AE: They don’t bother imagining

they’re gay – deep down, they think we want them. I think it’s the other way


I guess it’s just perfect for the straight girl, actually.

AE: Do you think Susanna wants you?

Uh, I’m not going there.

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