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The 2008 AfterEllen.com Hot 100
96. ROSARIO DAWSON
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97. CATHY DEBUONO*
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98. MISSY PEREGRYM
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99. MARION COTILLARD
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100. JENN*
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That's it for this year's list — let us know in the comments which women on this year's list are your favorites, which ones surprised you, and which ones you want to learn more about.
And don't forget to watch our 2008 Hot 100 Video Countdown!
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HOLY CRAP IT'S HERE!!!!!!!
HOLY CRAP IT'S HERE!!!!!!!
I just hit refresh, and all of a sudden it's up! I'm in shock... must stop typing and proceed to scour the list.
"The quick to think are never sure"
--Tiresias, Oedipus Rex
After careful review, there
After careful review, there are lot of great women here. Definitely a great list. My only complaint would be that there aren't enough women of color or full-figured women, but it's still an exceptional list in my book! Great job, and congrats to Jenn!!!
"The quick to think are never sure"
--Tiresias, Oedipus Rex
I Agree
I love the selection of women, but I think the age variation is also lacking a bit. I only see Merril Streep as the only "older" woman.
On the other hand, many of my favorites made the list! Great job, AfterEllen!
And thank you for getting Erin Daniels on the list.
And another thing: Am I the only one in love with Julia Roberts???
http://lesbianwithoutborders.blogspot.com/
Top 100
Top 100
5 of my picks made it in the top 20, sweet. Though, I can't believe Jennifer Aniston wasn't on the list at all. She's been robbed since being out of the spotlight!
Interesting list this year though. Different. Good overall and definitely better than Maxim's list. The feedback should be interesting for this year. :)
i agree!!
man i can't believe jennifer aniston wasn't on here. i have been IN LOVE with her even before i knew i was in LOVE with her!! she was always my straight girl crush and i was so upset that she wasn't on the list. *tears*
but on a positive note. this list was...WOW...*licks lips* haha. i mean these women are gorgeous and i found a couple new crushes that i'll be obsessed with for at least the next 3 months. so off i go to look at this list again...and to find a picture of jen to make this list complete.
~ L is for the way you look at me
AHHHHHHH! I actually
AHHHHHHH! I actually screamed a little when this popped up!
TINA FEY!
BRIDGET!
AHHHHHHHHHHH!
I want to hug ALL these women with my legs in friendship!
AHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Yay! Jenn is 100!
They saved the best for last!
YYYYYAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you see me jumping up and down??? Cause I was.... But uh.....
Where's Dee?
You can't have one without the other...
:-)
Tina Fey and Laurel Holloman!
Is it safe to assume Tina Fey's father is gonna call her as soon as he reads his google alert message? ;)
And note to Laurel Holloman: welcome to your well deserved spot on the list.
Great list
This just goes to show that lesbians can pick out the top 100 hottest women better than straight men LOL.
I think that most, if not all of my picks were included on the list.
kristina.michelle
so hot 100!
Me too ...
I did not even think to vote for our favourite AE vloggers. I would have definitely picked my favourite vlogger and nominated them in my top 10. That would be the incredible, compassionate and gorgeous - Cathy. DOH! Next time, hey?
I'm happy with the over all result. Five of my pics made it into the top 25.
I was also pulling for
I was also pulling for Ellen Page... boo
Otherwise, am I the only one who thinks, no offence, the AE vloggers are kind of a joke/hoax on this list? I mean, I honestly don't think more people voted for an AE vlogger than Ellen Page or Angelina Jolie. That seems ridiculous to me.
And otherwise, "women of color" only make up, at max, 15% of the female population in the US, where most voters are from. Thus, why is it disproportional to have them make up MORE than 15% of the list? Anything more would be over-representation, which I am not against, but I don't see why it's necessary.
EDIT: After reading more posts, I realize that the phrase "women of color" refers to all non-Caucasian women and not just African-Americans. Thus, I would have to agree they are underrepresented on this list.
you are not the only one
I don't think it's a hoax, I do think that many people voted for the Vloggers, but I do think it's kind of a joke. It seems kind of like sucking up to me, and it kind of makes our list look like a joke, which is sad. Normally people who work for things are not eligible, I feel. Plus, then it is just sad for the poor vloggers who did not get nominated.
AE vloggers on the list
To reiterate what I said in the second page of comments (since you may not have seen it), I thought about excluding AE vloggers from the list, but because this wasn't a contest chosen by AE staff, but by readers, I decided it was OK. It also didn't seem fair to penalize the women who willingly give up a lot of their time every week to entertain us with their vlogs by disqualifying them from the list, especially since it can be good exposure for the actors/comedians among the vloggers. (Also, if we didn't allow vloggers on the list, we would get just as many complaints as if I did, so to some degree, we can't win on this issue.)
To understand why more people voted for an AE vlogger than Ellen Page or Angelina Jolie, you only have to think about the fact that lesbian/bi women have almost no visibility (besides a few folks like Ellen) in mainstream media/entertainment, and those few women that are out and high-profile are not very accessible to the average person. Those women who voted for AE vloggers mostly likely did so because these are out lesbians entertaining AND interacting with them on their computer screen every week (by reading comments and feedback, and taking reader suggestions), which creates a stronger emotional bond than someone you just see on your TV set or in a theater. To a minority group that's used to never seeing representations of themselves, that's very powerful. So it actually makes perfect sense that some of the vloggers would rank higher than a much higher-profile, but more distant, celebrities - especially ones who aren't openly gay.
WELL SAID SARAH!!!!!
I couldn't have said it better myself!!
I voted for some of the vloggers as well. I don't see why it would be hard to believe that more people voted for the vloggers than some other mainstream people.
right decision
yea, i'm glad you
yea, i'm glad you reevaluated that ridiculous and facile statement, hopefully you won't jump to any more conclusions based on ignorance. people of color refers to all people of color, which includes black people. btw all black people in america aren't african-american, maybe you should educate yourself about that too.
personally, i think that overrepresentation would beat underrepresentation for once, but that could never happen because that would just be wrong and the status quo shouldn't ever be questioned and challenged, right? (rolling my eyes ::hard::)
hold on a second. My
hold on a second. My original thought process was not based on ignorance. The term "person of color" originated with Martin Luther King Jr, who used it to refer to African Americans in the civil rights movement. As such, I falsely presumed that the expression had not warped in meaning. Additionally, the expression usually refers to AA people, as opposed to other non-Caucasians such as some Asians.
And I obviously know that all black people aren't AA, where did I ever say they were? Um, nowhere.
And finally, I never said that there was anything wrong with overrepresentation, just that it isn't necessarily necessary. I even said in my original post I wouldn't have a problem with it at all.
So stop twisting my words to make me sound ignorant, ridiculous, and racist. I actually thought about my post before I posted it and I don't appreciate the twisting of my words.
i made you sound ignorant,
i made you sound ignorant, ridiculous, and racist? are you sure that's not just what your words sound like when reflected back to you? blame yourself for jumping to the easiest uneducated, uninformed conclusion. webster's definition of ignorant is :1 a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society> ; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence 2 : unaware, uniformed. did you just not edit your first response to say that you were unaware of the fact that the term people of color encompassed more than black people in america and that you were also uninformed of its modern connotations 40 years after the civil rights movement? if you're going to feel compelled to respond to something then you should also feel the need to be cognizant of what the hell you're talking about. it's been over 40 years since martin luther king originated the term; look around this website, google people of color, go to the library and learn about what the term means today.
furthermore, you stated that people of color were only 15% of the that population; that's the approximate statistic for the population of black people in america, including immigrants and people who don't happen to culturally identify as african american (and maybe you didn't know this either but just won't admit it). you then said based on the the fact that (you finally learned) poc didn't just mean african american, that poc were underrepresented. now if you didn't intend to refer to all black people in america when you said african american, then all you need to do is amend your previous statement alluding to that. don't insult my intelligence by pretending that wasn't your original intent.
if you don't like the feeling of your statements being "twisted", i don't like coming on a website for a marginalized and underrepresented group and being offended by someone's sheer entitlement, willful obliviousness, and utter ignorance. speaking of entitelement...you should also know before you make that ridiculous statement again, that there have been many countries where minorities interests have been disproportionately overrepresented, like south africa and brazil. the point people are trying to make about representation is that it's about the power structure of a population not the statistics of it.
Sloane,
Absolutely brilliant answer!!!!! I had to let you know.
Firewontquell, please don't feel the need to answer me, my reply to Sloane is NOT about you.
Actually, you're wrong. The
Actually, you're wrong. The census data that refers to about 15% of the American population being "black" (13% to be exact) refers only to African Americans and not Hispanics.
Taken from http://www.omhrc.gov/
"Although African Americans make up only 13% of the total U.S. population..."
Note the use of the term AFRICAN AMERICANS, as opposed to blacks.
Now, if you own up to this mistake I won't call you ignorant, racist, or ridiculous. It was an error based on incorrect information, just as I based my first assessment of the term POL on an older use of the term. Considering that the term POL became popular because of MLK JR, I don't think mistakenly using it in the way he intended connotes me as a racist. I immediately admitted I had made a mistake with the current politically correct usage of the term, and I think to call me racist based on my original usage would be incorrect.
And don't say I'm the one insulting your intelligence, when I said African American in my original post I MENT African American, not black. I know that black is a more continent-encompassing term, but I was not referring to blacks in my original post, but just African Americans. Don't try to discern my intent incorrectly.
And, you say I have "sheer entitlement," "willful obliviousness," and "utter ignorance." To start from the end and work my way up, the only statement that I made that was incorrect was that POL referred to AA. I immediately changed my original post and said that I was incorrect, and later clarified that I was familiar with a past, NOT RASCIST connotation of the term. Considering I was willing to admit to my mistake and change my view because of it, I don't think you can say I am utterly ignorant. (Especially since you made a mistake regarding your own statistic.) Additionally, to say I am willfully oblivious would be a mistake, since I was willing to admit to my mistake, I how could I be willfully obvious? And I think you are being the willfully oblivious one by twisting my words in my original post. As I stated, when I said AA I meant AA, don't try to make it seem like I meant blacks and didn't know what the term black encompasses. I know what black means, but I didn't mean to say it. I meant to say AA, which I did. And finally, "sheer entitlement?" You have to be joking. Where did I ever say I was entitled to anything? Stop insulting me to make yourself feel better. For all you know I could be a person of color or an ethnic minority, and I actually am. Don't assume things about my life you don't know.
Finally, you even contradict yourself in the last part of your post. In your original post, you say overrepresentation is essentially an ultimate good, and in your more recent post, you say overrepresentation can lead to bad. In lists like this, I don't see the problem with the list representing an approximate distribution of the population. As I specifically said, I don't have a problem with overrepresentation on this list, but I don't see why it's NECESSARY.
Whew!
Somehow, I actually managed to keep up with that.
Oh, I think FWQ won that debate.
Nice job ladies. Smart women - hot!
thanks ;)
no dear, my statistic was
no dear, my statistic was wrong because i was using your original post's statistic of 15% in regards to black people in america, which is what you're referring to even if it you refuse to admit it. but i did say that number was approximate to account for my assumption. i searched all over www.omhrc.gov for the lone sentence "although african-americans make up 13% of the u.s. population..." that you used as an excuse to continue generalizing black people in this country as african american but i couldn't find it. i did find this though: "In July 2006, 40.2 million people in the United States, or 13.4 percent of the civilian noninstitutionalized population, were Black." www.omhrc.gov, and this :"As of July 1, 2006, the estimated population of black residents in the United States, including those of more than one race. They made up 13.4 percent of the total U.S. population." www.census.gov. neither of these sources excluded immigrants, which i didn't mean to include hispanic immigrants even though you apparently did, i was specifically referring to black immigrants from countries like sierra leone, haiti, nigeria. i also stated previously that the u.s. population of black people includes people who don't culturally consider themselves to african american. so whether you say 13 % or 15 % you're still willfuly using terminology that doesn't correctly delineate the cultural facets of the black population of america, which is what i had a problem with. now if you want to specifically indicate the african american population, then you need to find the statistics that specifically refer to them, or you can amend your previous statement alluding the the fact that you incorrectly used the term african american in reference to the black population of the u.s, or you can continue to be willfuly oblivious and ignorant.
honestly, i think its a bit ridiculous to respond to someone else's usage of a term if you aren't sure of what they meant, which is the problem that i had with your original response. if you feel the need to respond to something, you should aslo feel compelled to know what the hell you're talking about. to be honest, bottom line, i really don't think there's any excuse for your original mix-up, and i have every right to be offended by your misuse of it, if you had the audacity to put it out there knowing that you had no idea what the term means today. maybe in the future if you're not sure about something, or even if you think you are but you're not sure, you'll look it up THEN respond. the way you used it did sound racist, ridiculous, and even you admit ignorant.
just because you're a person of color or an ethnic minority doesn't mean that you can't discriminate against poc/ethnic minority groups or unabashedly continue to maintian the status quo without questioning or challenging it, so please don't use that excuse. i did assume that you probably weren't a person of color or an ethnic minority so i apologize for that, that was wrong, and it won't happen again. yet and still, you are being willfuly oblivious when you refuse to acknowledge the cultural differences in the black population of the u.s. which is what you just can't seem to admit to be referring to. and yea, everything in your original post on down does display utter ignorance, from not being aware of what poc meant and responding anyway, to stating that representation is and should be correlated to the specific statistical amount of a given group in a population, and shouldn't really be deconstructed, challenged and questioned, to continuing to refer to the black population of the u.s as african american.
i have never indicated in any of my posts that overrepresentation of any population group would be an ultimate good or lead to bad. you assumed far too much about my statements, but let me make clear my stance on the topic now. to say that overrepresentation of any group is an ultimate good is ridiculous. in my first post i made the point that it would it would actually be nice to see overrepresentation instead of underrepresentation for once because it would be different from the status quo. that's it. don't blow my statement out of proportion to make your insipid point. what i explained in my second post is that representation ultimately rests within the power structure of a country, not the amount of members in any specific group. whether the group in power is a minority or majority of a particular population, their interests are usually going to be disproportionately represented. either dynamic is OBVIOUSLY quite wrong, and should always be challenged, which is ultimately the point people were making about there being a dearth of poc in this list. thats why your facile line of reasoning for invalidating people's issues with lack of representation is so ludicrous, ignorant, and offensive. you jumped to the easiest uninformed conclusion.I mean, are you accusing me
I mean, are you accusing me now of making up the quote I listed in my last post? You have got to be kidding. In a page about HIV/AIDS, the entire quote is "Although African Americans make up only 13% of the total U.S. population, they accounted for 47% of HIV/AIDS cases in 2005." You can google that exact quote if you wish and find it on the gov site. Be my guest.
And I NEVER referred to the black population in my original post. I referred to the AFRICAN AMERICAN population of the United States, and my information is correct in reference to the AA population. Again, stop trying to make it seem like I am ignorant about the use of the word black and am intentionally misusing it. I ONLY used the term AA in my original post, and I used it for a reason-- I intended to ONLY refer to AA.
I admit there are cultural differences in the black population, as well as the AA population. But that is not relevant to anything I said, nor did I ever deny there were cultural differences. How does saying cultural differences exist prove anything I said wrong? And, as I just said, I never denied the existance of cultural differences.
And how am I just lying stoic in the status quo? Just because we have a difference of opinion regarding representation doesn't mean I'm a conservative loser. I even said in my first post that I agreed that women of color were underrepresented in this list and that should be changed.
And thanks for calling me insipid at the end, that was a nice touch, btw. Again, I never said UNDERREPRESENTION WAS GOOD. If you reread my original post, I even said that I thought that women of color are underpresented in this list. Stop making me out to be the devil if you aren't even reading what I'm saying.
shifting sands
You are both slinging it out with statistics that can never be as concrete as something like say, how many detached homes we have in the United States, because the way in which people self-identify or don't self-identify and the options allowed on surveys such as the census are variable.
Numbers no doubt shifted, for example, when the Census Bureau started including boxes for Black Hispanic and White Hispanic. Also until recently, many South Asians and Arabs were at a loss for which box to check on the Census.
That said, I'm not particularly interested in looking at this list against racial/ethnic statistics for the country. As an exercise the poll speaks more to the mindset of the women on this site than anything else. And they have chosen mostly mainstream, mostly white, mostly pale, mostly stick-thin women as their Hot 100.
We need to work on that...
Albert Einstein to the Rescue
Sloane, although I understand and agree with your previous statements I think there comes a time when we have to determine if our methods of trying to create acceptance and diversity among groups is what Albert Einstein described as Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
For instance, although I commend After Ellen.com for providing such a wonderful and informative space where LGBTQ women can come together and discuss and learn about the latest lesbian entertainment news, I also think it clearly represents more of a White America viewpoint than any other viewpoint. We have a site that is 98% filled with White topics and peppered with 2% of content that's truly geared towards women of color and most of the women of color topics focus on Latin or Asian descent women. So in knowing this very true fact, why is it that the women of color that are members on this site would ever think that the Top 100 list would reflect anything different? That is neither a complaint or challenge to anyone on this list, it is a fact. After Ellen and the members of this list have a right to create a space that represents their views and life, that's why it was created after all.
And Sloane, women of color have the right to do the same. That is why a group of women have gotten together to create a site that's anything and everything lesbian for women of color. The site launches on September 1st and can be visited at www.lesbian411.info. This is where you and many other women of color will be able to share your views and life with women just like you and those that are also not just like you. But what we ask of you, sincerely, is that when the site is up, that you truly do support it just as you would support any other site. We have found in our society that sometimes when we ask for things that we feel we lack, we tend to ask for those things from White America, naively expecting that we will receive the answer that we want. But when someone from your own community provides you with the very thing you ask for, we don't always support it. So please support us, and make sure you spread the word and tell all of your friends about it. Here will be a place where you are the majority not the minority. Now all you have to do, is stop the insanity, and do something totally different than you've done before, try something new and expect to get exactly what you want and deserve!
Have a Sensational Sunday Ladies! It's 90's degrees down South and it feels like the temp is on HELL! LOL!
give it a rest
i second this opinon well said and i will check out the site.
also the first girl said she didnt understand why the list represented more women of color than what some bullshit census says... Maybe its because all women like them better so they are on the list? Give it a break and does it really matter? Hot is Hot most of the women color or not i dont find hot but its not my list and i really dont give a ****. Oh and love the choice for 100 Jenn with the lipstick and fullout grin too funny.
mind your business
well said
Tegan and Sara one person???
They look identical to me. I
Wait a min, what?
Tegan and Sara
silly tegan and sara fans
entering their names together...don't they know that Tegan is actually hotter than Sara?
Hey now, I voted for
Hey now, I voted for Sara! ^_^
I too voted for SARA QUIN alone
and didn't vote for Tegan just because...
SARA IS WAY CUTER THAN TEGAN...
a great boo to everyone who entered their names together!!!! Shame on you ahahahaah!!!
* I am the Cinnamon Spider *
Tegan Quin!
I agree
question
Agreed
Maybe the list should be called "The 2008 AfterEllen.com Hot 101"
Slightly
I was slightly bothered by this, but then, I'm just ecstatic that they made the list out of all the gorgous women out there. It does kind of suck though, considering how different they are from one another. But I don't think I could ever decide which one I think is cuter!
Tegan: Everytime I see it, I just want to punch her in the face because I'm so excited for her.
doesnt bother me
Equally hot does not equal one person
Even though you cannot separate them from each other, or you cannot pick the one who is hotter, you shouldn't consider them as one person. Also, other people can tell tehm apart and pick the one they think is hotter and this will make the difference in their place on the list. It is not just your vote that counts.
Why I think a lot of people must have voted for 'Tegan and Sara' together was to fit in as many votes as possible. Since you were only allowed 10 "spaces", if you put Tegan and Sara together you could actually vote for 11 women.
AfterEllen, could we please have a rule next year that only one person is allowed on each of those 10 "spaces"? Please?um...
for one thing, i'm sensing some hostility in that response. what's up with that?
but that aside, i didn't say i consider them one person. i just said that since it would make sense that they'd most likely get an equal number of votes, and since they're linked by both genetics AND their being in the same band together, i don't really feel it's a huge deal to allow them to share the spot.
i get what you're saying, i just don't feel the same way.
Grumbles
I'm in agreement though, how very annoying to have T&S merged together as one entry.
I wonder how the vloggers brigade would feel if Jilly, Cathy, Bridget, etc. were to be bumped as one entry.
Just because they're twins, doesn't mean they're the same person. I picked Tegan because she rocks my socks, floats my boat, appears in my dreams cooking breakfast wearing nothing but an apron.
Hmm... seem to have forgotten my point.
Oh yes, much obliged to the AE crew, it's a fantastic list. Please consider seperating the twins next year!
k so i'm way late on this one.
but dealing with twins is rather touchy ... they are listed as one person here , but i remember i was looking at some other list and tegan got the # 7 or 8 spot while sara was at like #19... it felt wrong to me lol ... because they are identical so any difference in ranking reads as a personality / style thing to me , which kinda sucks.
meh, i'm just saying .. not that it matters. its 09! holla!!!!!
oh lordy i'm bored.^_^
nice
Finally! Looks good!
- now you can relax Sarah. :)
Awesome!
Totally happy with the results. What's there to say except we have great taste? :p
I was almost jumping up and down when I saw so many of the AE vloggers in the list. Well done!