[quote:e19b954e70="Jeck"]I am so PISSED! I might not be able to have Showtime on Sunday when the last ep. comes on... I am so PISSED and angry and sad and depressed... ARGH![/quote:e19b954e70]
[quote:e9410a5218="RobbeeDee"][quote:e9410a5218="Jeck"]I am so PISSED! I might not be able to have Showtime on Sunday when the last ep. comes on... I am so PISSED and angry and sad and depressed... ARGH![/quote:e9410a5218]
:hug: for ya then.[/quote:e9410a5218]
Thanks... I'm just glad that we have the recaps availbile... or I might die!!!! I'm addicted to this show no matter WHAT!
im kinda mad at myself now. I took a stand and refused to watch the last two episodes. Where Dana dies and then her funeral show. I couldnt do it. But i shot myself in the foot, i missed the Alice+ Lara kiss. I know alot of people think its weird but thats my ultimate fantasy couple. I would so come back to the show if Chaiken made this happen. As it is right now I only watched it for Alice and Dana and Lara anyway. Then the evil Dana story line got rid of Lara and then of herself. GRRRRR.
This may be redeeming though.
[quote:db932b0257="sati_49"]im kinda mad at myself now. I took a stand and refused to watch the last two episodes. Where Dana dies and then her funeral show. I couldnt do it. But i shot myself in the foot, i missed the Alice+ Lara kiss. I know alot of people think its weird but thats my ultimate fantasy couple. I would so come back to the show if Chaiken made this happen. As it is right now I only watched it for Alice and Dana and Lara anyway. Then the evil Dana story line got rid of Lara and then of herself. GRRRRR.
This may be redeeming though.
Heres hoping. :P :P :P[/quote:db932b0257]
This is probably the stupidest question, but... did you really shot yourself in the foot? (I am such a dork!)
the only stupid question is the one that goes unasked. No no shrapnal (sp?) in my foot. Its my best friends expression for basically ending up doing something to mess yourself up.
Well... I still feel like a dork! But more importantly, the new episode in coming on tonight and for the time being, I HAVE SHOWTIME! I'm so excited to watch it... I wish I could fast-forward the day to 10pm tonight!
I got to watch the first five minutes before I had to head to work absolutley. It was the first time this season where i was REALLY tempted to call in late so i could stay and watch the episode. lol
Believe me, you didn't miss anything good, same old stupid show. When will I learn. How the hell is IC going have shane and carmen coexist after tonights episode. Read that Sarah will be back next season. There are no couples left in this show, how stupid is that.
Well, it's been a while since I've been able to say this, but I really liked this episode. I'd say I loved about 95% of what happened and I've listed some of those things.
1. I loved the opening scene of the gang having dinner at the Planet. Except for the fact that "Max" was there, this would have been a flashback to season one mornings at the planet.
2. Love, love, loved Jenny in this episode. But I've loved Jenny all season. She's so centered and well-adjusted now -- who'd have thought.
3. (continuation of #2) I loved the wonderful shots Jenny took at Max during this episode (e.g. the scene in the hotel bar when she dances with the reporter). I'm happy to see that Jenny is finally -- FINALLY -- distancing herself from "Max."
4. The Lara/Alice scenes. I don't exactly approve of them sneaking around, but I think they are sweet together. I hope it lasts. But I must say, there were some scenes Lara appeared in where I was thinking, "Why is she there? She has nothing to say."
5. I loved seeing Helena and Peggy together (in the last episode, too). I'm glad an explanation given for Helena's British accent. I knew why, but I wanted an explanation.
6. The speech made by Alice and Jenny about Shane. The hilarious part was Alice's comment about how much Jenny's hair had grown. PRICELESS!
Those are the things I loved. Here are a few things I could have done without.
1. Bette & Tina at the wedding. I'm I the only one who despises Tina's boyfriend? Now I understand why people hated Candace so much... sort of.
2. Carmen's family showing up at the hotel. Sure, it's great that they had a change of heart and wanted to be there for Carmen and all, but really... do we really believe people with such firmly held beliefs against homosexuality are going to be converted that easily? What was it? Six weeks? A few months? Maybe in a perfect world. But, then again, in a perfect world, there would be no homophobia.
3. Call me lingua-centric, but I couldn't understand most of what that reporter was saying to Jenny. Am I alone? But then again, the scenes showed Jenny breaking free of Max, which can only be good.
4. Okay, we knew Peggy Peabody was "a lesbian in the seventies," but I didn't think it was realistic for her to jump into that limo and start making out with the lesbian reverend. It seemed contrived. I mean, she was living as a straight womyn for many, many, many years, so why that womyn, that day? It seemed a strange thing for her to do considering what came before it.
So, that's my 2 1/2 cents on this episode. Now we can begin to speculate on what will happen next season.
1. I distracted myself with the ol' dance, dance revolution extreme home game
2.I watched the last few episodes of Lost (which I tried not to like, and now I'm hooked)
3. Read a comic book
4. Called my mom
5. Downloaded some music
6. Searched for the Handbook For the Recently Deceased from Beetlejuice (for about 2 hours)
7. Started writing a short story that turned into a short-short story
8. Got distracted by something shiny
9. Contemplated cleaning the kitchen
10. Backed up my hard drive
I tried to live up to my protest. But I was weak. Weak, I say.
However, now that they've put Dana to rest and made Tina a total psycho (all while trying to make us care about Mad Max), I think I may be able to let the show go again.
Except that ending ... the ending could lead me to forgive this entire season if, in fact, it does come true. Yow!
I won't mention it, as I'm not sure if it qualifies as a spoiler.
Mods, is that a spoiler? Don't let me go down the road to Breaking Rulesville.
I wonder if IC has any concept of time. Wedding bells already?! Carmens family coming around so quickley.
See IC has the same problem i do when i write, I want to tell so much stuff that i tend to skip and hit the important parts. However the difference is that I am aware I do it and also I am aware that its the moments in between the intense highs or lows that make the story. Someone should explain this to IC. STAT
There were things that I liked and disliked about this episode... and you all get to hear them.
-Jenny and Alice’s toast to Shane. It was so funny I couldn't stop laughing.
-Liked the initial thought of Shane having a relationship with her father, it made sense. But that went downhill really fast. I didn't think that they would actually get married; I knew that one of them would just not be able to go through with it. The part that I didn't like about it was that it gave the impression that Shane couldn't do it because her father couldn't do it. I don't think that is a fair representation. There are a lot of things similar between parents and children, but that doesn't mean that either cannot break away from those things. I wish that there was more explanation than "it's who I am", bullsh*t...
-It was very unrealistic that just 6 weeks ago Carmen and Shane got kicked out of Carmen's families home, and now her mother is so excited, because Carmen is getting married. I was actually thinking that when she was so happy at the hotel, that she thought Carmen was actually going to marry a man.
-I am very disappointed with the way that Bette's storyline went. Nothing good can come from kidnapping. I just want to see them together and happy, or not together at all. It is just painful to watch. Wordswork, I also despise Henry. They have been together for just over 6 weeks and now they want to start a family :roll: Whatever!
-I don't get why it is okay for Jenny and Max to cheat on each other without any sort of consequence for their action. They don't even seem to feel bad about it. Look at the hell that Bette has had to go through to make things right, but not Jenny and Max...
Well, I guess that is an overview of my thoughts. They are more negative than I was aware :dunno:
[quote:0ec8fff5a0="sati_49"]
See IC has the same problem i do when i write, I want to tell so much stuff that i tend to skip and hit the important parts. However the difference is that I am aware I do it and also I am aware that its the moments in between the intense highs or lows that make the story. Someone should explain this to IC. STAT[/quote:0ec8fff5a0]
Great observations!! I couldn't agree more about the intense highs and lows. That's the reason I didn't like last nights episode or pretty much all of season 3. It seems that no character was allowed to have just a normal life and be stable. Events always had to be huge and life changing.
Unfortunately, that kind of writing gives the show a soap opera feel. Look at the last episode: Bette is now a criminal fugitive by kidnapping Angelica. Shane's father abandoned his wife and son because he was given the enormous sum of $10,000(???). Helena is impoverished -- (yeah, right...anyone hear of a trust fund before??). Poor Dana is DEAD. Shane dumped Carmen at the alter. AND KIT IS PREGNANT. What's next, alien abduction for Alice? Oh no wait, she's already been with a vampire.
The poor writing and continuity of storyline have been just astoundingly bad. However the acting (with the exception of Daniela Sea) was really, really good. Bravo to the Lword women for pulling something out of nothing -- especially Leisha Hailey and Erin Daniels!
With regards to those folks who say that everyone should just shut up and "be grateful we have a lesbian show"...or..."we always attack our own"and etc comments. I ask you this. If I'm a Red Sox fan should I just enjoy in silence when they play like crap? If I have a favorite restuarant and I have a bad meal there - should I just be grateful that I have a favorite restuarant? Sorry for the Rhetorical questions but it had to be pointed out.
Maybe we are super critical on any show that is gay -- but my friends, I'd also like to suggest that we are also way too easy as well.
Well I thought it was a great episode. I also think the criticism of Ilene Chaiken, saying that she doesn't know how to write, is somewhat unfair. She only has 12 episodes to cram in a vast array of character storylines, which I think explains the sometimes disjointed flow. Overall, however, I believe she does a pretty fine job. To expect it to be perfect is what I find unrealistic.
It's a drama series... you need to take a little creative license in order to make it dramatic. Realistic is boring. Everyone leading happy, well adjusted lives is boring. Yes, at times, it borders on the ridiculous but it's drama and you have to be prepared to sometimes suspend belief and fill in the blanks with your own imagination. All you budding writers out there should be able to do that pretty well, apparently... :wink:
As for the episode itself...
I don't like Alice and Lara together.
I don't like characters feeling the need to bleed in order to know they're alive.
I liked Shane in this episode. I'm not a big Shane fan but I think I understood her better in this episode. As someone said previously, children are not destined to be carbon copies of their parents but Shane THINKS that. She believes she's just like her dad, even although she's not. She doesn't think she can be any other way because she has seen her father try and fail, so she thinks she will end up the same way. In her mind, she probably considers it better to break Carmen's heart now rather than later... when maybe children would be involved.
Of course she will realise next season what an idiot she has been... she's NOT like her dad, he didn't care who he hurt.
I loved that Peggy Peabody cut Helena off financially. I think the best lesson that Helena can learn is that she DOESN'T NEED to BUY friends. She's very hot and very lovely, anyone interested in her for her money has their priorities completely screwed up ! Plus, while she has the money, all she ever does is get taken advantage of, so good riddance to it !
I liked the Bette / Tina storyline... I predict it will resolve itself... in a happy fashion. This episode reinforced my belief that, despite all the hurdles, these two are meant to be together...
Last thought, I know Peggy's lesbian relationship was a bit contrived but I still liked it. Peggy Peabody is cool and that's all that matters. Period.
I do not think that Shane would ditch the wedding like that. She would have shown up went through with it and told Carmen later or she would have found Carmen and let her know ahead of time.
Alice would not betray Dana and sleep with Lara. That is just crazy.
If Tina is going to stay straight then she can go to another show. We already have Angus and Kit.
Bette taking the baby is awful, althought I think that is something Bette would do.
Jenny - EXCELLENT! Love her! Love her exchange with Max at the end
I would like to see a little of the old Helena mixed with this new Naive sweet Helena.
If IC is smart, she will have Jenny and Shane hook up and Bette turns around and returns the baby.
Oh Yes! Shane would not accept her dad back in her life so easy and her talking to her dad through the season should have lead up to him coming to the wedding.
The one good thing is that we have cliff hangers, hopefully the writers will remember and write the next season accordingly.
I just finished watching the last episode and I have to agree with most of you... I sure was disappointed!!!
I have to agree with Alloutof_faith that Shane was stupid leaving Carmen at the altar-how stupid is that!! And the only couples left are heterosexual ones....that doesn't make any sense!!
The only good thing about it is that someone said that Carmen is back next year so at least I'll be able to look forward to that-I hope IC reads some of these posts and realizes how disappointed most of us are.
Maybe next season, she'll have Shane running after Carmen every episode which would be so lame!
Any theologians out there who can explain why the episode's title is a perversion of the Biblical reference to Christ as the Right Hand of God? I haven't seen the episode but have read the preceding responses and it does seem like some terrible god(dess) was wreaking havoc with our girls in this episode. :twisted:
I agree with those who didn't like Bette kidnapping Angelica. That was pretty bad, especially given the fact that Bette has no legal rights to the child. The adoption isn't even final yet! What was she thinking!?
And I really can't see Bette and Tina reconciling after Bette has kidnapped the baby. I'm not sure how someone would go back to someone after that. How can you forgive someone for stealing your child? If they do get back together, it will be the most contrived, unrealistic event on the series since, well, Peggy Peabody going from "hasbian" to lesbian in a matter of minutes.
I still stand by my assessment that Carmen's family came around a little too soon and a little too conveniently. I guess they will be Carmen's allies when Shane tries to win her back.
Someone mentioned the fact that there are only straight couples left (i.e. Kitt/Angus, Tina/Henry). Now that I think about it, it is true and it REALLY SUCKS! Did "The L Word" become "Knots Landing" when I wasn't looking?
Someone else wrote that she knew Shane wouldn't go through with the wedding. I didn't think so either. As soon as her father's wife began talking about how Gabriel was a ladies man and womyn were always throwing themselves at him, I knew she was seeing herself in her father and the wedding was doomed. And when Shane saw him with the other womyn, I knew she would be the "runaway groom."
Whoever said Shane's father should have been brought in earlier was right. This was a character who would have a significant impact on Shane. Why bring him in in the very last episode?
And that sucks too, because, though Shane is not my favorite character, she's never done anything so knowingly hurtful. But Kate Moennig has a big fanbase. Maybe IC figured Kate's fans didn't want to see her character get married and be off the market.
And, yes, the writing for this series has left a lot to be desired. No doubt. I mean, the producers saw the need to chyron "6 weeks later" at the start of the this episode. That tells me there were some huge jumps and significant changes that had taken place since the last episode that were not explained. I don't remember ever seeing anything like that on dramatic show like this.
All of the above notwithstanding, I still liked this episode better than almost any other of this season. Maybe it's because it's over for at least 8 months :( and I don't have to wonder if something that will really piss me off will happen in the next episode. :wink:
Now we all can fantasize, daydream and wonder about S4... until the season premiere when some of us will, once again, be disappointed. :)
Well, I thought the episode was largely wretched. I'm Canadian and the best part of the episode was the travel brochure scenes for Vancouver/Whistler. Yay, Canada.
Someone already posted that the writers haven't let any of the characters (other than the heterosexual ones) be happy. I was CRUSHED that Shane dumped Carmen at the altar. Their relationship gave me hope that SOMEONE in the show could be functional. For the most part, the characters are pitiful and dysfunctional. Even Leisha Haley, who's done a masterful acting job this year, is stuck with a character who vascillates between crazyiness and heroism. I wouldn't want to know any of these characters in real life.
Oh, and Peggy and the Minister was just plain stupid.
Meanwhile, I'll write a general review in musical form. Inspired by the majore cliche of the show.
[to the tune of Waterfalls by TLC]
A lonely Bette gazing out of her window
Staring at a son that may soon be far out of touch
Tina has immediatly shacked up with that man
He'll live by her side
But the fool doesn't realize Tina love Bette so much
[spoken: Tina has lost her mind. The mind. Gone.
But all Bette's praying and meditating just ain't helping at all
Cause Tina can't seem to keep herself away from man-stubble
So Bette goes out, gets a job and she hires a lawyer ... she must be the only one in town
Another storyline laying cold in the gutter
Writers, hear our plea
Don't go writing about heteros and Kit's menopause
Please stick to the sexy subjects and the lesbians we're
Used to
I know that Ilene's gonna have it her way
Or nothing at all
But I think this show cannot last
Little Jenny has a crazy obsession
For Mad Max, why? We just just can't see
She gives him loving that his body can't handle
But all he can say is "baby, it's all 'bout me"
One day Max goes and takes a glimpse in the mirror
Because the makeup artists are messing with his face
His storyline is growing and the fands don't't know why
3 chin hairs just may take this show to it's final resting place
Don't go writing about anymore of Jenny's pitfalls
Please stick to Marina or that cute blonde we're
Used to
I know that Ilene's gonna have it her way
Or nothing at all
But could you put Mad Max in the past?
I'm begging you, don't start casting blow-up dolls
Please stick to the Marinas and the Danas we're
Used to
The writers think the stories are edgy
But they're made of nothing at all
Maybe they're scripting to fast?
Ive seen an L-word rainbow yesterday
But too many beauties have come and gone
Leavin' just a trace of our favorite la-day
And turning my life ten shades of gray
I pray this season fades away
Seldom praise Ilene for the early days
But if her promise is true
Maybe our faith can undo
A horrible season she blew
To make Sexy Sundays anew
Clear blue and lovely brown eyes
Would be a wonderful surprise
No more hearing Alice's cries
My only lesbian hope
Is for the gals who can't cope
With such an endurin' pain
That it may just drive them insane
I swear, tell me who is to blame
For killing off Marina and Dane(a)
What a shame
They've gone and messed with our brains
I want someone naming names
Nothing will ever be the same
And I'll hold a grudge this time
For breaking up Tina and Bette is a crime
I say the writers made us victims in our own minds
Lost my dreams and kinky aspirations
I know it's a TV show, that's true
But it was a weekly habit that grew
What will happen is up to me and you
One last thing ...
Don't go placing Dana in waterfalls
Please leave silly cliches out of the writing we
were once used to
I know that Ilene will have it her way
Or nothing at all
But I think the show's imploding too fast
Can I just say OH MY GOD! I am still mad at this episode.
Through the whole ep Shane and dear old Dad were alluding to "walking away" from their first meeting to the end of the show.
I am sooooo saddened by the "being left at the alter" theme.
...and you all are right about Carmen's family--Puuuuleeeesssee! 6 weeks after--"Get out of my house!!" C'mon IC! ( Maybe it was the all expense paid vacation that turned it all around. )
Tina and her penis just sicken me. 6 weeks from a kids pool party to we're thinking of starting a family? He must be hung like a horse!
Bette, in her desperation-- yes it's a BIG mistake--but she is afraid of losing her forever. Just sad.
Jenny--finally! Whew--glad she was having fun. The whole Max storyline is getting -yawn- old to me. Move on already.
Alice and Lara--pals, best friends--great! Lovers? Just kinda creeps me out. Bring back the vampire!!
:twisted:
And who just totally cracked up at the Pussy 101 song?
I have had a couple ex-girlfriends who could have really learned something there-- HA! :lol:
hmm.... what did I miss? Oh yes, Kit and Mangus! Again--they really creep me out, too! And now they are breeding!! Just yuck! 8O
...Ok, pardon me while I step down off my soap box.
Thanks for listening--I needed to rant!
Lisa
I want to say that I cant believe it, but the truth is, with the writing IC has been doing, I am not so surprised.
I am very unhappy about Bette taking off with Angelica and too hope that she says: "what am I doing? I have to go back!" and does go back and says...I just wanted to spend a bit of time with her....please IC.
I am very upset at Shane for making Carmen go thru with it, and then leaving her. I dont see how anyone could leave someone like Carmen.
I hate Tina, like I had said long ago, she can leave the show if she wants to be straight. I wont miss her. (didnt like her on Angel either...shocker!)
Jenny was awesome. I love her this season, never thought I would ever say that.
Max is still around...WHAT?
Poor Helena, hope that her business is ok...does she still have the movie business?
I want to see next season build relationships, not Alice and Lara tho, I think it is so wrong.
I didn't think it was too bad. I guess I am still in shock from Dana dying.
I kind of thought Shane would run. What is up with Jenny??? I think Max could do sooooooo much better!
-I was happy that Shane found her dad and they 'bonded' (sorta), but he is an asshole. And thanks to him, Shane and Carmen aren't getting married! Grrr... I hope they get together again someday!
-Lara and Alice had this 'hate-sex' thing going on and I didn't like it, but I honestly love the Lara and Alice pairing.
-I dislike Max, his scary facial hair, and poor acting.
-I hate Jenny more because she is always fighting for something and... I just hate everything about her. (She started bringing everyones mood down in her and Alice's speech! DID YOU SEE IT! Something about 'dark times' (for her maybe))
-I hate Henry and dislike Tina for BEING with the @$$hole.
-I liked Bette's change of heart for the 50/50 thing, but I feel bad Tina got it. And then I hated Bette for kidnapping Angelica and running. God... I hate IC too!
-I feel bad for Helena now that she's "cut off", but this might do her some MORE good. But I really liked all Helena in this season anyway.
-Peggy... is so funny and I love her. And I didn't realize that she was a lesbian at one point. Learn new stuff everyday!
-I liked Kit and Angus, but the pregnet thing... no. Doesn't work for me! But Kit needs more of a plot. I hardly see her in episodes anymore. GOD!
-Pussy 101... that... there are no words... (in a good way)
-The speech (Alice and Jenny)... I loved it. Alice just added so much humor that my sides hurt from my laughing. I LOVE ALICE! MARRY ME! (Or date Lara...)
-One more thing... I WANT SHANE AND CARMEN TO BE A COUPLE AGAIN!
Heterosexual couples are so depressing, boring, and... STUPID! God... this show is supposed to be about LESBIANS!
The rant is finished! Enjoy your lives again! :bunny: :lword:
Oh, yeah! I forgot to mention the "Pu**y" song. It was hilarious and obscene. Didn't you guys love seeing Ms. Peabody shaking her groove thang to that song? PRICELESS!
And, yes, the hetero/breeder storylines are annoying. And I'm not crazy about Angus although I think he's an inocuous character compared to Henry, who could be a real obstacle to the Bette/Tina relationship. But I read somewhere that it's a network requirement that there be some kind of straight male presence on this show. [i:84a2313396]Go figure![/i:84a2313396] I guess Showtime doesn't want to alienate its straight female audience. And, really, as straight males go, I'll take Angus over Henry and that creep with the cameras -- what was his name?-- from season 2 anyday. I mean, he was partially or entirely responsible for me not watching most of S2.
And I can't wait to see what Helena is up to in S4. Will she have to take a job at the planet to make ends meet? Will she end up working for Bette? Delicious! I can hardly wait.
I don't believe for a minute that Kitt will actually give birth to a child during the run of the show. She'll have an accident or an abortion or something to keep that kid from seeing the light of day. Is is wrong for me to hope for those things?
[quote:1f1398b0ee="watching"]Any theologians out there who can explain why the episode's title is a perversion of the Biblical reference to Christ as the Right Hand of God? I haven't seen the episode but have read the preceding responses and it does seem like some terrible god(dess) was wreaking havoc with our girls in this episode. :twisted:[/quote:1f1398b0ee]
It's actually the name of a play that basically revolves around the concept of everything being someone's dream.
So, don't be too surprised next season with the whole "....and then they woke up" plot line.
Ya know how in the Road Runner cartoon, when Wil E. Coyote realizes he's about to plummet over a cliff or get hit by a truck or something...he looks at the "camera" and blinks a couple times?
That's what I did at the end of last night's episode.
[quote:2686c9124d="txleogirl"]I didn't think it was too bad. I guess I am still in shock from Dana dying.
I kind of thought Shane would run. What is up with Jenny??? I think Max could do sooooooo much better![/quote:2686c9124d]
Max could do better then Jenny? Please. Max is a selfish, whining character who deserves what he gets. A one way ticket off the show would be my preference.
The epsiode was okay, not really shocking or anything. If IC thought that we'd be shocked Shane played Runaway Bride... well... It wasn't shocking. Predictable is more accurate.
Jenny's remarks at the dinner table with Max's employers annoyed me. Why in the world would she start taking about masturbation there? How inappropriate. While I really like Jenny's character, she really throws me for a loop sometimes. However, that's also one of the things I really like about her.
I really, really, really don't get why Henry was there. Doesn't Tina have once ounce of respect for Bette and their friends?
Bette taking off with Angelica was just silly.
Lara was about to tell Alice that what was happening between them was a bad idea (IMO). So next season will have more drama and heartbreak from the onset for Alice.
I agree with everyone who has said it was unrealistic for Carmen's family to suddenly be alright with her homosexuality. The marriage storyline itself was rather unrealistic. Of course, too many use marriage as a problem solver rather then taking it as serious as it should be taken. [shrugs]
Neither season two or three's finales have been nearly as good at the first season's. I was so looking forward to season two... Season three... Eh. Season four... Not so much.
The storylines and writing really does need to improve next season. It's just not as entertaining as it once was, it's more painful now really. I'm overall pretty disappointed with this season and the direction the entire show has taken.
[quote:020a317a6d]Ya know how in the Road Runner cartoon, when Wil E. Coyote realizes he's about to plummet over a cliff or get hit by a truck or something...he looks at the "camera" and blinks a couple times?
That's what I did at the end of last night's episode. [/quote:020a317a6d]
OMG, that is so funny, Mercy23! It's EXACTLY how I felt at the end of the show!
Does anyone know if all the characters are coming back next season? I reading that Katherine Moenning is but I don't know how reliable that source is.
[quote:5368f64d92="LesKidd"]Neither season two or three's finales have been nearly as good at the first season's. I was so looking forward to season two... Season three... Eh. Season four... Not so much..[/quote:5368f64d92]
That's so interesting. I can't even remember what the season 1 finale was. Can someone refresh my memory?
[quote:5368f64d92="LesKidd"]The storylines and writing really does need to improve next season. It's just not as entertaining as it once was, it's more painful now really. I'm overall pretty disappointed with this season and the direction the entire show has taken.[/quote:5368f64d92]
I agree, but I must say I enjoyed [i:5368f64d92]most[/i:5368f64d92] of this season's finale episode. I'm really happy that my next TLW disappointment is at least 8 months away. <singing> Anticipation... anticipation... :D
I was not pleased with Shane leaving Carmen at the altar, I mean how tacky can u get? I blame it all on Eric Roberts, if he hadn't told Shane that she was just like him, and shown her his infidelity, Shane would have never done this horrible thing.
Tina moved forward way too quickly to be believable...I mean start a family with this guy she's met for just over 6 weeks? Come on now! :tsk tsk:
While Bette makes some valid points in her case, I thought that she was too extreme in wanting full custody of Angelica, trying to tear away a child from their birth mother is just inhumane, unless the mother cannot provide a stable environment for the child to grow up in. Kidnapping the baby sure as heck won't make Bette look any better in court. Wow, going from her position at the CAC to being unemployed and being on the run...how far Bette has fallen.
Max ->yawn...won't even waste my time on that one.
I'm interested to see how Jenny's fling with turn out.
Does anyone else feel sorry for Lara? First she tries to help Dana out of the closet, then gets dumped, waits patiently for Dana to come around while unconditionally supports Dana through her breakup with Alice until she finally shares some happy time with her. Then becomes Dana's punching bag and puts up with all kinds of sh** while still lovingly cannot bring herself to move on with her life, and has never done or said anything bad to anyone. Finds comfort in sharing her pain with Alice, whilst again being the one who unconditionally waits for her partner to come around and realize what a prize she is. Geez people, is there a less faulty character on TLW, or in tv history ever?!? Can't u girls just come around and realize what a great person Ms. Lara Perkins is and just give her what she deserves? arrrgh!
Sidenote from the rant, I just love Holland Taylor as Peggy Peabody, such a hilarious and powerful character, she just lights up the show!
[quote:14fc1be10a="kmx5452"]Does anyone else feel sorry for Lara? First she tries to help Dana out of the closet, then gets dumped, waits patiently for Dana to come around while unconditionally supports Dana through her breakup with Alice until she finally shares some happy time with her. Then becomes Dana's punching bag and puts up with all kinds of sh** while still lovingly cannot bring herself to move on with her life, and has never done or said anything bad to anyone. Finds comfort in sharing her pain with Alice, whilst again being the one who unconditionally waits for her partner to come around and realize what a prize she is. Geez people, is there a less faulty character on TLW, or in tv history ever?!? Can't u girls just come around and realize what a great person Ms. Lara Perkins is and just give her what she deserves? arrrgh![/quote:14fc1be10a]
I like Lara now more then I ever did, but I really hated her and Dana as a couple. Most especially in the first season. She was overbearing, controlling and narrow-minded when her and Dana were first together. Demanding that Dana come out of the closet was horrible and is exactly what [u:14fc1be10a]not[/u:14fc1be10a] to do in a relationship. So I really did not like them as a couple, or her character, for that reason.
When Dana and Lara got back together she just really seemed too 'Martha Stewart-ish' for my tastes. A little shallow as well.
She's a flawed character who is growing and learning; that's what I like about her now.
Henry doesnt want Bette to share custody of Angelica because he wants to be her dad, but doesnt Mikey have a mom? Then that means Tina cant be his mother fully....what's up with that? It must be all about him.
And I think that Peggy (love her) spends a whole lot of meaningless moola too, like when she was seeing that weird sex slave of hers, I am more then sure she paid him a ton of dough and bought him things, and she also had to hire a translator, that is not cheap. And she does buy a ton of paintings...and hey I enjoy art, but I think she spent way too much...well I am almost sure she did...sooooo how can she just cut Helena off like that? Helena is finally having a heart, how mean is this? She could have just said...I love you dear, I am going to teach you how to budget.
watching wrote:
Any theologians out there who can explain why the episode's title is a perversion of the Biblical reference to Christ as the Right Hand of God? I haven't seen the episode but have read the preceding responses and it does seem like some terrible god(dess) was wreaking havoc with our girls in this episode.
Cheers replied:
It's actually the name of a play that basically revolves around the concept of everything being someone's dream.
So, don't be too surprised next season with the whole "....and then they woke up" plot line.
Watching:
Thanks, Cheers. I did look up the reference on imdb and read about the film "The Left Hand of God" about this guy in China but couldn't make much out of it. Googling also suggested that Biblically, Christ will sit at the right hand of God on judgment day and rule with him. I got the feeling the "left hand of the goddess" would mean some kind of Apocalypse that would end in new beginnings.
I'm sorry but is it just me that think the reason why Tina told Bette that she is thinking about starting a family with Henry is just to piss off Bette. She said it's too fast between them just before she got the papers from Bette's lawyer. Why is everyone bit*ching at Tina about the starting the family thing? Doesn't that show that Tina still cares for Bette and their relationship to get mad? I love the part where Tina told Henry that Bette is Angelica other mother and he just have to except it and tell him to shut the hell up so she and Bette can talk. Doesn't that mean anything to you guys that even though she chose to be with a man she is still want Bette to be with their daughter. I think it explained alot about how Tina is thinking in the finale and I actually for the first time this season love and respect her for standing up for her relationship with Bette. That their 8 years relationship is over but she still hope that her and Bette would be partners in raising Angelica. Yes the whole We're thinking of starting a family is lame but Tina was pissed off from reading the papers from Bette's lawyer it's understandable.
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And I really can't see Bette and Tina reconciling after Bette has kidnapped the baby. I'm not sure how someone would go back to someone after that. How can you forgive someone for stealing your child? If they do get back together, it will be the most contrived, unrealistic event on the series since, well, Peggy Peabody going from "hasbian" to lesbian in a matter of minutes.
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yeah? how about getting a woman who just went through menopause pregnant :?
havent seen the last episode yet, but judging from the comments here (and the entire last season), the l word has changed from a 'groundbreaking' series about visibility of lesbians to about the worst role model for lesbians. for one thing, i cannot WAIT to see our favourite recapper's review on the entire season. it might remove that bitter taste in my mouth...
How can the writers take a bunch of women who are so smart and make them soooo stupid sooo fast...
First things first, Bette kidnapping is a huge felony, forget the new job, forget custody...
Tina...can't you see Henry doesn't really want you, he can barely grasp your past and accept it, run, run fast (who cares even cares if he's a guy or not he's an indiot with a cataclismic double standard)
Shane, dear lovely Shane we all know you just ruined the very best thing you had going in your life...
As for the bits about Carmen's family, families like that don't come around!!!
Jenny is pretty much the only left that I like (and I couldn't stand her first season). She's so strong and confident now, if only she could find a way of getting away from Max...
As for the Alice and Lara situation. I personally don't think it's that wierd at all...the bad part is the way Alice was just in is for the f**king. But she'd just gotten over that...then what happens?!!! We were just about to get one little grain of happiness to cling to for next season and they distract us with the nonsense of Helena being penniless (OK interesting idea, but people like Helena are never penniless, she'll just have to go from 5,000 dollar outfits to say 500, and give up 3 weeks a year in St. Tropez, trust me I went to high school with people like her)...back to Alice and Lara. Please tell me we get to see them happy...we need some happy on the show. I know it's not very high-brow of me to like happy, that all this darkness and strife are supposed to be high art, but sue me, when I turn on my TV at night after a crazy day of real life strife, I want a little joy and cheer (doesn't have to be a freaking sitcom, just a little glimmer of something better!!!!!)
First off, I wasn't too impressed with the 6 weeks later...part. This show is notorious for fast forwarding time to brush over events-the grief of Dana's death this time :?
For the most part I thought the episode was pretty good though-Surely by now IC & the rest of the mob must realise that the show works best when the "group" is together-hopefully next season we'll see more of it...
And I'm suprised that the Alice/Lara pairing has dragged me in a little-although the "Scratch me, I want to feel something" line was a tad unneccassary-surely the audience can gather that-much like the Dana spirit spinning around in the waterfall last episode which was too blatant.
Like someone else said, I think tonights episode was actully the beginning of B&T gettting back together again-all the drama will see them get back together I think...& all the other little threads that were left hanging around for next season to pick up again seem reasonably promising as well. I expect there will be a lot of Shane going back to her big, bad ways until Carmen's love saves her...again lol
[quote:e0e4e06766="c-tina"]Helena is finally having a heart, how mean is this? She could have just said...I love you dear, I am going to teach you how to budget.[/quote:e0e4e06766]
[quote:d27e4e8b3e="lonely_heart"]I'm sorry but is it just me that think the reason why Tina told Bette that she is thinking about starting a family with Henry is just to piss off Bette. She said it's too fast between them just before she got the papers from Bette's lawyer. Why is everyone bit*ching at Tina about the starting the family thing? Doesn't that show that Tina still cares for Bette and their relationship to get mad? I love the part where Tina told Henry that Bette is Angelica other mother and he just have to except it and tell him to shut the hell up so she and Bette can talk. Doesn't that mean anything to you guys that even though she chose to be with a man she is still want Bette to be with their daughter. I think it explained alot about how Tina is thinking in the finale and I actually for the first time this season love and respect her for standing up for her relationship with Bette. That their 8 years relationship is over but she still hope that her and Bette would be partners in raising Angelica. Yes the whole We're thinking of starting a family is lame but Tina was pissed off from reading the papers from Bette's lawyer it's understandable.[/quote:d27e4e8b3e]
:yeahthat:
Just because Bette is play by Jennifer Beals. If someone else playing Bette, they won't say the same thing. (They will blame Bette)
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That's so interesting. I can't even remember what the season 1 finale was. Can someone refresh my memory? [/quote:b09a978a99]
Alice knocking on Dana's door, saying that she can't marry Tonya, Dana asks why, and they kiss for the first time.
Bette cheating with the carpenter in a sleazy hotel, and Tina finds out, and they have angry sex.[/quote:b09a978a99]
Thank you! OMG! How could I forget that one? How soon we forget, huh?
[quote:c0b05c7d1b]I like Lara now more then I ever did, but I really hated her and Dana as a couple. Most especially in the first season. She was overbearing, controlling and narrow-minded when her and Dana were first together. Demanding that Dana come out of the closet was horrible and is exactly what [u:c0b05c7d1b]not[/u:c0b05c7d1b] to do in a relationship. So I really did not like them as a couple, or her character, for that reason..[/quote:c0b05c7d1b]
I was completely on Lara's side in S1. There was no reason for Dana to be in the closet. In fact, I really can't sympathize with anyone who is in the closet, especially if they're trying to pull their "out" mate back into the closet. We (as LBGT) should NOT validate homophobia by being closeted. This is something Dana needed to learn.
Personally, I would never date someone in the closet, so Lara would probably be a better person than I am (if she were a real person).
Of course, I live in Los Angeles (as did Dana), which is a very accepting community for gays and lesbians. All LBGT should move out here but quick! :lol: ... or Canada or Amsterdam :D
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Holy crap, I just saw the preview 8O . Can't wait to see this episode. Too bad I only can watch videos and read recaps, but what the hell.
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[quote:e19b954e70="Jeck"]I am so PISSED! I might not be able to have Showtime on Sunday when the last ep. comes on... I am so PISSED and angry and sad and depressed... ARGH![/quote:e19b954e70]
:hug: for ya then.
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[quote:e9410a5218="RobbeeDee"][quote:e9410a5218="Jeck"]I am so PISSED! I might not be able to have Showtime on Sunday when the last ep. comes on... I am so PISSED and angry and sad and depressed... ARGH![/quote:e9410a5218]
:hug: for ya then.[/quote:e9410a5218]
Thanks... I'm just glad that we have the recaps availbile... or I might die!!!! I'm addicted to this show no matter WHAT!
:lword:
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im kinda mad at myself now. I took a stand and refused to watch the last two episodes. Where Dana dies and then her funeral show. I couldnt do it. But i shot myself in the foot, i missed the Alice+ Lara kiss. I know alot of people think its weird but thats my ultimate fantasy couple. I would so come back to the show if Chaiken made this happen. As it is right now I only watched it for Alice and Dana and Lara anyway. Then the evil Dana story line got rid of Lara and then of herself. GRRRRR.
This may be redeeming though.
Heres hoping. :P :P :P
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[quote:db932b0257="sati_49"]im kinda mad at myself now. I took a stand and refused to watch the last two episodes. Where Dana dies and then her funeral show. I couldnt do it. But i shot myself in the foot, i missed the Alice+ Lara kiss. I know alot of people think its weird but thats my ultimate fantasy couple. I would so come back to the show if Chaiken made this happen. As it is right now I only watched it for Alice and Dana and Lara anyway. Then the evil Dana story line got rid of Lara and then of herself. GRRRRR.
This may be redeeming though.
Heres hoping. :P :P :P[/quote:db932b0257]
This is probably the stupidest question, but... did you really shot yourself in the foot? (I am such a dork!)
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lol
the only stupid question is the one that goes unasked. No no shrapnal (sp?) in my foot. Its my best friends expression for basically ending up doing something to mess yourself up.
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Well... I still feel like a dork! But more importantly, the new episode in coming on tonight and for the time being, I HAVE SHOWTIME! I'm so excited to watch it... I wish I could fast-forward the day to 10pm tonight!
I feel like a giddy school girl!
:bunny: :cheerleader:
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I know Season Finale!!!!
I got to watch the first five minutes before I had to head to work absolutley. It was the first time this season where i was REALLY tempted to call in late so i could stay and watch the episode. lol
I am the dork. :D
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I don't know why I'm surprised.
Ep. 312 "Left Hand of the Goddess" (Mar. 26)
Believe me, you didn't miss anything good, same old stupid show. When will I learn. How the hell is IC going have shane and carmen coexist after tonights episode. Read that Sarah will be back next season. There are no couples left in this show, how stupid is that.
Ep. 312 "Left Hand of the Goddess" (Mar. 26)
Well, it's been a while since I've been able to say this, but I really liked this episode. I'd say I loved about 95% of what happened and I've listed some of those things.
1. I loved the opening scene of the gang having dinner at the Planet. Except for the fact that "Max" was there, this would have been a flashback to season one mornings at the planet.
2. Love, love, loved Jenny in this episode. But I've loved Jenny all season. She's so centered and well-adjusted now -- who'd have thought.
3. (continuation of #2) I loved the wonderful shots Jenny took at Max during this episode (e.g. the scene in the hotel bar when she dances with the reporter). I'm happy to see that Jenny is finally -- FINALLY -- distancing herself from "Max."
4. The Lara/Alice scenes. I don't exactly approve of them sneaking around, but I think they are sweet together. I hope it lasts. But I must say, there were some scenes Lara appeared in where I was thinking, "Why is she there? She has nothing to say."
5. I loved seeing Helena and Peggy together (in the last episode, too). I'm glad an explanation given for Helena's British accent. I knew why, but I wanted an explanation.
6. The speech made by Alice and Jenny about Shane. The hilarious part was Alice's comment about how much Jenny's hair had grown. PRICELESS!
Those are the things I loved. Here are a few things I could have done without.
1. Bette & Tina at the wedding. I'm I the only one who despises Tina's boyfriend? Now I understand why people hated Candace so much... sort of.
2. Carmen's family showing up at the hotel. Sure, it's great that they had a change of heart and wanted to be there for Carmen and all, but really... do we really believe people with such firmly held beliefs against homosexuality are going to be converted that easily? What was it? Six weeks? A few months? Maybe in a perfect world. But, then again, in a perfect world, there would be no homophobia.
3. Call me lingua-centric, but I couldn't understand most of what that reporter was saying to Jenny. Am I alone? But then again, the scenes showed Jenny breaking free of Max, which can only be good.
4. Okay, we knew Peggy Peabody was "a lesbian in the seventies," but I didn't think it was realistic for her to jump into that limo and start making out with the lesbian reverend. It seemed contrived. I mean, she was living as a straight womyn for many, many, many years, so why that womyn, that day? It seemed a strange thing for her to do considering what came before it.
So, that's my 2 1/2 cents on this episode. Now we can begin to speculate on what will happen next season.
Ep. 312 "Left Hand of the Goddess" (Mar. 26)
Erm. I admit, I watched it. But ONLY after:
1. I distracted myself with the ol' dance, dance revolution extreme home game
2.I watched the last few episodes of Lost (which I tried not to like, and now I'm hooked)
3. Read a comic book
4. Called my mom
5. Downloaded some music
6. Searched for the Handbook For the Recently Deceased from Beetlejuice (for about 2 hours)
7. Started writing a short story that turned into a short-short story
8. Got distracted by something shiny
9. Contemplated cleaning the kitchen
10. Backed up my hard drive
I tried to live up to my protest. But I was weak. Weak, I say.
However, now that they've put Dana to rest and made Tina a total psycho (all while trying to make us care about Mad Max), I think I may be able to let the show go again.
Except that ending ... the ending could lead me to forgive this entire season if, in fact, it does come true. Yow!
I won't mention it, as I'm not sure if it qualifies as a spoiler.
Mods, is that a spoiler? Don't let me go down the road to Breaking Rulesville.
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wow
I wonder if IC has any concept of time. Wedding bells already?! Carmens family coming around so quickley.
See IC has the same problem i do when i write, I want to tell so much stuff that i tend to skip and hit the important parts. However the difference is that I am aware I do it and also I am aware that its the moments in between the intense highs or lows that make the story. Someone should explain this to IC. STAT
Ep. 312 "Left Hand of the Goddess" (Mar. 26)
There were things that I liked and disliked about this episode... and you all get to hear them.
-Jenny and Alice’s toast to Shane. It was so funny I couldn't stop laughing.
-Liked the initial thought of Shane having a relationship with her father, it made sense. But that went downhill really fast. I didn't think that they would actually get married; I knew that one of them would just not be able to go through with it. The part that I didn't like about it was that it gave the impression that Shane couldn't do it because her father couldn't do it. I don't think that is a fair representation. There are a lot of things similar between parents and children, but that doesn't mean that either cannot break away from those things. I wish that there was more explanation than "it's who I am", bullsh*t...
-It was very unrealistic that just 6 weeks ago Carmen and Shane got kicked out of Carmen's families home, and now her mother is so excited, because Carmen is getting married. I was actually thinking that when she was so happy at the hotel, that she thought Carmen was actually going to marry a man.
-I am very disappointed with the way that Bette's storyline went. Nothing good can come from kidnapping. I just want to see them together and happy, or not together at all. It is just painful to watch. Wordswork, I also despise Henry. They have been together for just over 6 weeks and now they want to start a family :roll: Whatever!
-I don't get why it is okay for Jenny and Max to cheat on each other without any sort of consequence for their action. They don't even seem to feel bad about it. Look at the hell that Bette has had to go through to make things right, but not Jenny and Max...
Well, I guess that is an overview of my thoughts. They are more negative than I was aware :dunno:
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[quote:0ec8fff5a0="sati_49"]
See IC has the same problem i do when i write, I want to tell so much stuff that i tend to skip and hit the important parts. However the difference is that I am aware I do it and also I am aware that its the moments in between the intense highs or lows that make the story. Someone should explain this to IC. STAT[/quote:0ec8fff5a0]
Great observations!! I couldn't agree more about the intense highs and lows. That's the reason I didn't like last nights episode or pretty much all of season 3. It seems that no character was allowed to have just a normal life and be stable. Events always had to be huge and life changing.
Unfortunately, that kind of writing gives the show a soap opera feel. Look at the last episode: Bette is now a criminal fugitive by kidnapping Angelica. Shane's father abandoned his wife and son because he was given the enormous sum of $10,000(???). Helena is impoverished -- (yeah, right...anyone hear of a trust fund before??). Poor Dana is DEAD. Shane dumped Carmen at the alter. AND KIT IS PREGNANT. What's next, alien abduction for Alice? Oh no wait, she's already been with a vampire.
The poor writing and continuity of storyline have been just astoundingly bad. However the acting (with the exception of Daniela Sea) was really, really good. Bravo to the Lword women for pulling something out of nothing -- especially Leisha Hailey and Erin Daniels!
With regards to those folks who say that everyone should just shut up and "be grateful we have a lesbian show"...or..."we always attack our own"and etc comments. I ask you this. If I'm a Red Sox fan should I just enjoy in silence when they play like crap? If I have a favorite restuarant and I have a bad meal there - should I just be grateful that I have a favorite restuarant? Sorry for the Rhetorical questions but it had to be pointed out.
Maybe we are super critical on any show that is gay -- but my friends, I'd also like to suggest that we are also way too easy as well.
Ep. 312 "Left Hand of the Goddess" (Mar. 26)
Well I thought it was a great episode. I also think the criticism of Ilene Chaiken, saying that she doesn't know how to write, is somewhat unfair. She only has 12 episodes to cram in a vast array of character storylines, which I think explains the sometimes disjointed flow. Overall, however, I believe she does a pretty fine job. To expect it to be perfect is what I find unrealistic.
It's a drama series... you need to take a little creative license in order to make it dramatic. Realistic is boring. Everyone leading happy, well adjusted lives is boring. Yes, at times, it borders on the ridiculous but it's drama and you have to be prepared to sometimes suspend belief and fill in the blanks with your own imagination. All you budding writers out there should be able to do that pretty well, apparently... :wink:
As for the episode itself...
I don't like Alice and Lara together.
I don't like characters feeling the need to bleed in order to know they're alive.
I liked Shane in this episode. I'm not a big Shane fan but I think I understood her better in this episode. As someone said previously, children are not destined to be carbon copies of their parents but Shane THINKS that. She believes she's just like her dad, even although she's not. She doesn't think she can be any other way because she has seen her father try and fail, so she thinks she will end up the same way. In her mind, she probably considers it better to break Carmen's heart now rather than later... when maybe children would be involved.
Of course she will realise next season what an idiot she has been... she's NOT like her dad, he didn't care who he hurt.
I loved that Peggy Peabody cut Helena off financially. I think the best lesson that Helena can learn is that she DOESN'T NEED to BUY friends. She's very hot and very lovely, anyone interested in her for her money has their priorities completely screwed up ! Plus, while she has the money, all she ever does is get taken advantage of, so good riddance to it !
I liked the Bette / Tina storyline... I predict it will resolve itself... in a happy fashion. This episode reinforced my belief that, despite all the hurdles, these two are meant to be together...
Last thought, I know Peggy's lesbian relationship was a bit contrived but I still liked it. Peggy Peabody is cool and that's all that matters. Period.
Oy Vey!
I do not think that Shane would ditch the wedding like that. She would have shown up went through with it and told Carmen later or she would have found Carmen and let her know ahead of time.
Alice would not betray Dana and sleep with Lara. That is just crazy.
If Tina is going to stay straight then she can go to another show. We already have Angus and Kit.
Bette taking the baby is awful, althought I think that is something Bette would do.
Jenny - EXCELLENT! Love her! Love her exchange with Max at the end
I would like to see a little of the old Helena mixed with this new Naive sweet Helena.
If IC is smart, she will have Jenny and Shane hook up and Bette turns around and returns the baby.
Oh Yes! Shane would not accept her dad back in her life so easy and her talking to her dad through the season should have lead up to him coming to the wedding.
The one good thing is that we have cliff hangers, hopefully the writers will remember and write the next season accordingly.
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Can i just say.... What a disappointment...
I sure hope IC comes up with some better story lines or her Series is going to come crashing done....
PS...
SHANE YOU'RE STUPID!!!!! HOW COULD YOU RUN OUT ON CARMEN!!!?? :x
end of rant.
Ep. 312 "Left Hand of the Goddess" (Mar. 26)
I just finished watching the last episode and I have to agree with most of you... I sure was disappointed!!!
I have to agree with Alloutof_faith that Shane was stupid leaving Carmen at the altar-how stupid is that!! And the only couples left are heterosexual ones....that doesn't make any sense!!
The only good thing about it is that someone said that Carmen is back next year so at least I'll be able to look forward to that-I hope IC reads some of these posts and realizes how disappointed most of us are.
Maybe next season, she'll have Shane running after Carmen every episode which would be so lame!
Man, I am so Mad!! :evil:
Ep. 312 "Left Hand of the Goddess" (Mar. 26)
Any theologians out there who can explain why the episode's title is a perversion of the Biblical reference to Christ as the Right Hand of God? I haven't seen the episode but have read the preceding responses and it does seem like some terrible god(dess) was wreaking havoc with our girls in this episode. :twisted:
Ep. 312 "Left Hand of the Goddess" (Mar. 26)
I agree with those who didn't like Bette kidnapping Angelica. That was pretty bad, especially given the fact that Bette has no legal rights to the child. The adoption isn't even final yet! What was she thinking!?
And I really can't see Bette and Tina reconciling after Bette has kidnapped the baby. I'm not sure how someone would go back to someone after that. How can you forgive someone for stealing your child? If they do get back together, it will be the most contrived, unrealistic event on the series since, well, Peggy Peabody going from "hasbian" to lesbian in a matter of minutes.
I still stand by my assessment that Carmen's family came around a little too soon and a little too conveniently. I guess they will be Carmen's allies when Shane tries to win her back.
Someone mentioned the fact that there are only straight couples left (i.e. Kitt/Angus, Tina/Henry). Now that I think about it, it is true and it REALLY SUCKS! Did "The L Word" become "Knots Landing" when I wasn't looking?
Someone else wrote that she knew Shane wouldn't go through with the wedding. I didn't think so either. As soon as her father's wife began talking about how Gabriel was a ladies man and womyn were always throwing themselves at him, I knew she was seeing herself in her father and the wedding was doomed. And when Shane saw him with the other womyn, I knew she would be the "runaway groom."
Whoever said Shane's father should have been brought in earlier was right. This was a character who would have a significant impact on Shane. Why bring him in in the very last episode?
And that sucks too, because, though Shane is not my favorite character, she's never done anything so knowingly hurtful. But Kate Moennig has a big fanbase. Maybe IC figured Kate's fans didn't want to see her character get married and be off the market.
And, yes, the writing for this series has left a lot to be desired. No doubt. I mean, the producers saw the need to chyron "6 weeks later" at the start of the this episode. That tells me there were some huge jumps and significant changes that had taken place since the last episode that were not explained. I don't remember ever seeing anything like that on dramatic show like this.
All of the above notwithstanding, I still liked this episode better than almost any other of this season. Maybe it's because it's over for at least 8 months :( and I don't have to wonder if something that will really piss me off will happen in the next episode. :wink:
Now we all can fantasize, daydream and wonder about S4... until the season premiere when some of us will, once again, be disappointed. :)
Disappointed
Well, I thought the episode was largely wretched. I'm Canadian and the best part of the episode was the travel brochure scenes for Vancouver/Whistler. Yay, Canada.
Someone already posted that the writers haven't let any of the characters (other than the heterosexual ones) be happy. I was CRUSHED that Shane dumped Carmen at the altar. Their relationship gave me hope that SOMEONE in the show could be functional. For the most part, the characters are pitiful and dysfunctional. Even Leisha Haley, who's done a masterful acting job this year, is stuck with a character who vascillates between crazyiness and heroism. I wouldn't want to know any of these characters in real life.
Oh, and Peggy and the Minister was just plain stupid.
Don't get me started.
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Meanwhile, I'll write a general review in musical form. Inspired by the majore cliche of the show.
[to the tune of Waterfalls by TLC]
A lonely Bette gazing out of her window
Staring at a son that may soon be far out of touch
Tina has immediatly shacked up with that man
He'll live by her side
But the fool doesn't realize Tina love Bette so much
[spoken: Tina has lost her mind. The mind. Gone.
But all Bette's praying and meditating just ain't helping at all
Cause Tina can't seem to keep herself away from man-stubble
So Bette goes out, gets a job and she hires a lawyer ... she must be the only one in town
Another storyline laying cold in the gutter
Writers, hear our plea
Don't go writing about heteros and Kit's menopause
Please stick to the sexy subjects and the lesbians we're
Used to
I know that Ilene's gonna have it her way
Or nothing at all
But I think this show cannot last
Little Jenny has a crazy obsession
For Mad Max, why? We just just can't see
She gives him loving that his body can't handle
But all he can say is "baby, it's all 'bout me"
One day Max goes and takes a glimpse in the mirror
Because the makeup artists are messing with his face
His storyline is growing and the fands don't't know why
3 chin hairs just may take this show to it's final resting place
Don't go writing about anymore of Jenny's pitfalls
Please stick to Marina or that cute blonde we're
Used to
I know that Ilene's gonna have it her way
Or nothing at all
But could you put Mad Max in the past?
I'm begging you, don't start casting blow-up dolls
Please stick to the Marinas and the Danas we're
Used to
The writers think the stories are edgy
But they're made of nothing at all
Maybe they're scripting to fast?
Ive seen an L-word rainbow yesterday
But too many beauties have come and gone
Leavin' just a trace of our favorite la-day
And turning my life ten shades of gray
I pray this season fades away
Seldom praise Ilene for the early days
But if her promise is true
Maybe our faith can undo
A horrible season she blew
To make Sexy Sundays anew
Clear blue and lovely brown eyes
Would be a wonderful surprise
No more hearing Alice's cries
My only lesbian hope
Is for the gals who can't cope
With such an endurin' pain
That it may just drive them insane
I swear, tell me who is to blame
For killing off Marina and Dane(a)
What a shame
They've gone and messed with our brains
I want someone naming names
Nothing will ever be the same
And I'll hold a grudge this time
For breaking up Tina and Bette is a crime
I say the writers made us victims in our own minds
Lost my dreams and kinky aspirations
I know it's a TV show, that's true
But it was a weekly habit that grew
What will happen is up to me and you
One last thing ...
Don't go placing Dana in waterfalls
Please leave silly cliches out of the writing we
were once used to
I know that Ilene will have it her way
Or nothing at all
But I think the show's imploding too fast
[take it home now]
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*gasp*
Ep. 312 "Left Hand of the Goddess" (Mar. 26)
what can i say? i was very dissapponted with last night episode but in fact all the 3 season sucked.
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Can I just say OH MY GOD! I am still mad at this episode.
Through the whole ep Shane and dear old Dad were alluding to "walking away" from their first meeting to the end of the show.
I am sooooo saddened by the "being left at the alter" theme.
...and you all are right about Carmen's family--Puuuuleeeesssee! 6 weeks after--"Get out of my house!!" C'mon IC! ( Maybe it was the all expense paid vacation that turned it all around. )
Tina and her penis just sicken me. 6 weeks from a kids pool party to we're thinking of starting a family? He must be hung like a horse!
Bette, in her desperation-- yes it's a BIG mistake--but she is afraid of losing her forever. Just sad.
Jenny--finally! Whew--glad she was having fun. The whole Max storyline is getting -yawn- old to me. Move on already.
Alice and Lara--pals, best friends--great! Lovers? Just kinda creeps me out. Bring back the vampire!!
:twisted:
And who just totally cracked up at the Pussy 101 song?
I have had a couple ex-girlfriends who could have really learned something there-- HA! :lol:
hmm.... what did I miss? Oh yes, Kit and Mangus! Again--they really creep me out, too! And now they are breeding!! Just yuck! 8O
...Ok, pardon me while I step down off my soap box.
Thanks for listening--I needed to rant!
Lisa
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I want to say that I cant believe it, but the truth is, with the writing IC has been doing, I am not so surprised.
I am very unhappy about Bette taking off with Angelica and too hope that she says: "what am I doing? I have to go back!" and does go back and says...I just wanted to spend a bit of time with her....please IC.
I am very upset at Shane for making Carmen go thru with it, and then leaving her. I dont see how anyone could leave someone like Carmen.
I hate Tina, like I had said long ago, she can leave the show if she wants to be straight. I wont miss her. (didnt like her on Angel either...shocker!)
Jenny was awesome. I love her this season, never thought I would ever say that.
Max is still around...WHAT?
Poor Helena, hope that her business is ok...does she still have the movie business?
I want to see next season build relationships, not Alice and Lara tho, I think it is so wrong.
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I didn't think it was too bad. I guess I am still in shock from Dana dying.
I kind of thought Shane would run. What is up with Jenny??? I think Max could do sooooooo much better!
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I must rant and babble... where to start!
-I was happy that Shane found her dad and they 'bonded' (sorta), but he is an asshole. And thanks to him, Shane and Carmen aren't getting married! Grrr... I hope they get together again someday!
-Lara and Alice had this 'hate-sex' thing going on and I didn't like it, but I honestly love the Lara and Alice pairing.
-I dislike Max, his scary facial hair, and poor acting.
-I hate Jenny more because she is always fighting for something and... I just hate everything about her. (She started bringing everyones mood down in her and Alice's speech! DID YOU SEE IT! Something about 'dark times' (for her maybe))
-I hate Henry and dislike Tina for BEING with the @$$hole.
-I liked Bette's change of heart for the 50/50 thing, but I feel bad Tina got it. And then I hated Bette for kidnapping Angelica and running. God... I hate IC too!
-I feel bad for Helena now that she's "cut off", but this might do her some MORE good. But I really liked all Helena in this season anyway.
-Peggy... is so funny and I love her. And I didn't realize that she was a lesbian at one point. Learn new stuff everyday!
-I liked Kit and Angus, but the pregnet thing... no. Doesn't work for me! But Kit needs more of a plot. I hardly see her in episodes anymore. GOD!
-Pussy 101... that... there are no words... (in a good way)
-The speech (Alice and Jenny)... I loved it. Alice just added so much humor that my sides hurt from my laughing. I LOVE ALICE! MARRY ME! (Or date Lara...)
-One more thing... I WANT SHANE AND CARMEN TO BE A COUPLE AGAIN!
Heterosexual couples are so depressing, boring, and... STUPID! God... this show is supposed to be about LESBIANS!
The rant is finished! Enjoy your lives again! :bunny: :lword:
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Oh, yeah! I forgot to mention the "Pu**y" song. It was hilarious and obscene. Didn't you guys love seeing Ms. Peabody shaking her groove thang to that song? PRICELESS!
And, yes, the hetero/breeder storylines are annoying. And I'm not crazy about Angus although I think he's an inocuous character compared to Henry, who could be a real obstacle to the Bette/Tina relationship. But I read somewhere that it's a network requirement that there be some kind of straight male presence on this show. [i:84a2313396]Go figure![/i:84a2313396] I guess Showtime doesn't want to alienate its straight female audience. And, really, as straight males go, I'll take Angus over Henry and that creep with the cameras -- what was his name?-- from season 2 anyday. I mean, he was partially or entirely responsible for me not watching most of S2.
And I can't wait to see what Helena is up to in S4. Will she have to take a job at the planet to make ends meet? Will she end up working for Bette? Delicious! I can hardly wait.
I don't believe for a minute that Kitt will actually give birth to a child during the run of the show. She'll have an accident or an abortion or something to keep that kid from seeing the light of day. Is is wrong for me to hope for those things?
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[quote:1f1398b0ee="watching"]Any theologians out there who can explain why the episode's title is a perversion of the Biblical reference to Christ as the Right Hand of God? I haven't seen the episode but have read the preceding responses and it does seem like some terrible god(dess) was wreaking havoc with our girls in this episode. :twisted:[/quote:1f1398b0ee]
It's actually the name of a play that basically revolves around the concept of everything being someone's dream.
So, don't be too surprised next season with the whole "....and then they woke up" plot line.
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Ya know how in the Road Runner cartoon, when Wil E. Coyote realizes he's about to plummet over a cliff or get hit by a truck or something...he looks at the "camera" and blinks a couple times?
That's what I did at the end of last night's episode.
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[quote:2686c9124d="txleogirl"]I didn't think it was too bad. I guess I am still in shock from Dana dying.
I kind of thought Shane would run. What is up with Jenny??? I think Max could do sooooooo much better![/quote:2686c9124d]
Max could do better then Jenny? Please. Max is a selfish, whining character who deserves what he gets. A one way ticket off the show would be my preference.
The epsiode was okay, not really shocking or anything. If IC thought that we'd be shocked Shane played Runaway Bride... well... It wasn't shocking. Predictable is more accurate.
Jenny's remarks at the dinner table with Max's employers annoyed me. Why in the world would she start taking about masturbation there? How inappropriate. While I really like Jenny's character, she really throws me for a loop sometimes. However, that's also one of the things I really like about her.
I really, really, really don't get why Henry was there. Doesn't Tina have once ounce of respect for Bette and their friends?
Bette taking off with Angelica was just silly.
Lara was about to tell Alice that what was happening between them was a bad idea (IMO). So next season will have more drama and heartbreak from the onset for Alice.
I agree with everyone who has said it was unrealistic for Carmen's family to suddenly be alright with her homosexuality. The marriage storyline itself was rather unrealistic. Of course, too many use marriage as a problem solver rather then taking it as serious as it should be taken. [shrugs]
Neither season two or three's finales have been nearly as good at the first season's. I was so looking forward to season two... Season three... Eh. Season four... Not so much.
The storylines and writing really does need to improve next season. It's just not as entertaining as it once was, it's more painful now really. I'm overall pretty disappointed with this season and the direction the entire show has taken.
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And here it is the final chapter.
How did it get her so quickly.
Yeah, preview has me distressed.
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[quote:020a317a6d]Ya know how in the Road Runner cartoon, when Wil E. Coyote realizes he's about to plummet over a cliff or get hit by a truck or something...he looks at the "camera" and blinks a couple times?
That's what I did at the end of last night's episode. [/quote:020a317a6d]
OMG, that is so funny, Mercy23! It's EXACTLY how I felt at the end of the show!
Does anyone know if all the characters are coming back next season? I reading that Katherine Moenning is but I don't know how reliable that source is.
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[quote:5368f64d92="LesKidd"]Neither season two or three's finales have been nearly as good at the first season's. I was so looking forward to season two... Season three... Eh. Season four... Not so much..[/quote:5368f64d92]
That's so interesting. I can't even remember what the season 1 finale was. Can someone refresh my memory?
[quote:5368f64d92="LesKidd"]The storylines and writing really does need to improve next season. It's just not as entertaining as it once was, it's more painful now really. I'm overall pretty disappointed with this season and the direction the entire show has taken.[/quote:5368f64d92]
I agree, but I must say I enjoyed [i:5368f64d92]most[/i:5368f64d92] of this season's finale episode. I'm really happy that my next TLW disappointment is at least 8 months away. <singing> Anticipation... anticipation... :D
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I was not pleased with Shane leaving Carmen at the altar, I mean how tacky can u get? I blame it all on Eric Roberts, if he hadn't told Shane that she was just like him, and shown her his infidelity, Shane would have never done this horrible thing.
Tina moved forward way too quickly to be believable...I mean start a family with this guy she's met for just over 6 weeks? Come on now! :tsk tsk:
While Bette makes some valid points in her case, I thought that she was too extreme in wanting full custody of Angelica, trying to tear away a child from their birth mother is just inhumane, unless the mother cannot provide a stable environment for the child to grow up in. Kidnapping the baby sure as heck won't make Bette look any better in court. Wow, going from her position at the CAC to being unemployed and being on the run...how far Bette has fallen.
Max ->yawn...won't even waste my time on that one.
I'm interested to see how Jenny's fling with turn out.
Does anyone else feel sorry for Lara? First she tries to help Dana out of the closet, then gets dumped, waits patiently for Dana to come around while unconditionally supports Dana through her breakup with Alice until she finally shares some happy time with her. Then becomes Dana's punching bag and puts up with all kinds of sh** while still lovingly cannot bring herself to move on with her life, and has never done or said anything bad to anyone. Finds comfort in sharing her pain with Alice, whilst again being the one who unconditionally waits for her partner to come around and realize what a prize she is. Geez people, is there a less faulty character on TLW, or in tv history ever?!? Can't u girls just come around and realize what a great person Ms. Lara Perkins is and just give her what she deserves? arrrgh!
Sidenote from the rant, I just love Holland Taylor as Peggy Peabody, such a hilarious and powerful character, she just lights up the show!
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[quote:fc77b617c2]
That's so interesting. I can't even remember what the season 1 finale was. Can someone refresh my memory? [/quote:fc77b617c2]
Alice knocking on Dana's door, saying that she can't marry Tonya, Dana asks why, and they kiss for the first time.
Bette cheating with the carpenter in a sleazy hotel, and Tina finds out, and they have angry sex.
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[quote:14fc1be10a="kmx5452"]Does anyone else feel sorry for Lara? First she tries to help Dana out of the closet, then gets dumped, waits patiently for Dana to come around while unconditionally supports Dana through her breakup with Alice until she finally shares some happy time with her. Then becomes Dana's punching bag and puts up with all kinds of sh** while still lovingly cannot bring herself to move on with her life, and has never done or said anything bad to anyone. Finds comfort in sharing her pain with Alice, whilst again being the one who unconditionally waits for her partner to come around and realize what a prize she is. Geez people, is there a less faulty character on TLW, or in tv history ever?!? Can't u girls just come around and realize what a great person Ms. Lara Perkins is and just give her what she deserves? arrrgh![/quote:14fc1be10a]
I like Lara now more then I ever did, but I really hated her and Dana as a couple. Most especially in the first season. She was overbearing, controlling and narrow-minded when her and Dana were first together. Demanding that Dana come out of the closet was horrible and is exactly what [u:14fc1be10a]not[/u:14fc1be10a] to do in a relationship. So I really did not like them as a couple, or her character, for that reason.
When Dana and Lara got back together she just really seemed too 'Martha Stewart-ish' for my tastes. A little shallow as well.
She's a flawed character who is growing and learning; that's what I like about her now.
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Can we say double standard?
Henry doesnt want Bette to share custody of Angelica because he wants to be her dad, but doesnt Mikey have a mom? Then that means Tina cant be his mother fully....what's up with that? It must be all about him.
And I think that Peggy (love her) spends a whole lot of meaningless moola too, like when she was seeing that weird sex slave of hers, I am more then sure she paid him a ton of dough and bought him things, and she also had to hire a translator, that is not cheap. And she does buy a ton of paintings...and hey I enjoy art, but I think she spent way too much...well I am almost sure she did...sooooo how can she just cut Helena off like that? Helena is finally having a heart, how mean is this? She could have just said...I love you dear, I am going to teach you how to budget.
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watching wrote:
Any theologians out there who can explain why the episode's title is a perversion of the Biblical reference to Christ as the Right Hand of God? I haven't seen the episode but have read the preceding responses and it does seem like some terrible god(dess) was wreaking havoc with our girls in this episode.
Cheers replied:
It's actually the name of a play that basically revolves around the concept of everything being someone's dream.
So, don't be too surprised next season with the whole "....and then they woke up" plot line.
Watching:
Thanks, Cheers. I did look up the reference on imdb and read about the film "The Left Hand of God" about this guy in China but couldn't make much out of it. Googling also suggested that Biblically, Christ will sit at the right hand of God on judgment day and rule with him. I got the feeling the "left hand of the goddess" would mean some kind of Apocalypse that would end in new beginnings.
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I'm sorry but is it just me that think the reason why Tina told Bette that she is thinking about starting a family with Henry is just to piss off Bette. She said it's too fast between them just before she got the papers from Bette's lawyer. Why is everyone bit*ching at Tina about the starting the family thing? Doesn't that show that Tina still cares for Bette and their relationship to get mad? I love the part where Tina told Henry that Bette is Angelica other mother and he just have to except it and tell him to shut the hell up so she and Bette can talk. Doesn't that mean anything to you guys that even though she chose to be with a man she is still want Bette to be with their daughter. I think it explained alot about how Tina is thinking in the finale and I actually for the first time this season love and respect her for standing up for her relationship with Bette. That their 8 years relationship is over but she still hope that her and Bette would be partners in raising Angelica. Yes the whole We're thinking of starting a family is lame but Tina was pissed off from reading the papers from Bette's lawyer it's understandable.
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[quote:68fef4158d="wordswork"]
And I really can't see Bette and Tina reconciling after Bette has kidnapped the baby. I'm not sure how someone would go back to someone after that. How can you forgive someone for stealing your child? If they do get back together, it will be the most contrived, unrealistic event on the series since, well, Peggy Peabody going from "hasbian" to lesbian in a matter of minutes.
[/quote:68fef4158d]
yeah? how about getting a woman who just went through menopause pregnant :?
havent seen the last episode yet, but judging from the comments here (and the entire last season), the l word has changed from a 'groundbreaking' series about visibility of lesbians to about the worst role model for lesbians. for one thing, i cannot WAIT to see our favourite recapper's review on the entire season. it might remove that bitter taste in my mouth...
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*sigh*...
How can the writers take a bunch of women who are so smart and make them soooo stupid sooo fast...
First things first, Bette kidnapping is a huge felony, forget the new job, forget custody...
Tina...can't you see Henry doesn't really want you, he can barely grasp your past and accept it, run, run fast (who cares even cares if he's a guy or not he's an indiot with a cataclismic double standard)
Shane, dear lovely Shane we all know you just ruined the very best thing you had going in your life...
As for the bits about Carmen's family, families like that don't come around!!!
Jenny is pretty much the only left that I like (and I couldn't stand her first season). She's so strong and confident now, if only she could find a way of getting away from Max...
As for the Alice and Lara situation. I personally don't think it's that wierd at all...the bad part is the way Alice was just in is for the f**king. But she'd just gotten over that...then what happens?!!! We were just about to get one little grain of happiness to cling to for next season and they distract us with the nonsense of Helena being penniless (OK interesting idea, but people like Helena are never penniless, she'll just have to go from 5,000 dollar outfits to say 500, and give up 3 weeks a year in St. Tropez, trust me I went to high school with people like her)...back to Alice and Lara. Please tell me we get to see them happy...we need some happy on the show. I know it's not very high-brow of me to like happy, that all this darkness and strife are supposed to be high art, but sue me, when I turn on my TV at night after a crazy day of real life strife, I want a little joy and cheer (doesn't have to be a freaking sitcom, just a little glimmer of something better!!!!!)
Ok, I've ranted, and I feel a little better!!!
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Is there a link to the a general Ep 12 preview? I saw two specific Shane and Alice clips at Showtime's site.
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First off, I wasn't too impressed with the 6 weeks later...part. This show is notorious for fast forwarding time to brush over events-the grief of Dana's death this time :?
For the most part I thought the episode was pretty good though-Surely by now IC & the rest of the mob must realise that the show works best when the "group" is together-hopefully next season we'll see more of it...
And I'm suprised that the Alice/Lara pairing has dragged me in a little-although the "Scratch me, I want to feel something" line was a tad unneccassary-surely the audience can gather that-much like the Dana spirit spinning around in the waterfall last episode which was too blatant.
Like someone else said, I think tonights episode was actully the beginning of B&T gettting back together again-all the drama will see them get back together I think...& all the other little threads that were left hanging around for next season to pick up again seem reasonably promising as well. I expect there will be a lot of Shane going back to her big, bad ways until Carmen's love saves her...again lol
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[quote:e0e4e06766="c-tina"]Helena is finally having a heart, how mean is this? She could have just said...I love you dear, I am going to teach you how to budget.[/quote:e0e4e06766]
LOL!
(Oh, and Helena always had a heart.)
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[quote:d27e4e8b3e="lonely_heart"]I'm sorry but is it just me that think the reason why Tina told Bette that she is thinking about starting a family with Henry is just to piss off Bette. She said it's too fast between them just before she got the papers from Bette's lawyer. Why is everyone bit*ching at Tina about the starting the family thing? Doesn't that show that Tina still cares for Bette and their relationship to get mad? I love the part where Tina told Henry that Bette is Angelica other mother and he just have to except it and tell him to shut the hell up so she and Bette can talk. Doesn't that mean anything to you guys that even though she chose to be with a man she is still want Bette to be with their daughter. I think it explained alot about how Tina is thinking in the finale and I actually for the first time this season love and respect her for standing up for her relationship with Bette. That their 8 years relationship is over but she still hope that her and Bette would be partners in raising Angelica. Yes the whole We're thinking of starting a family is lame but Tina was pissed off from reading the papers from Bette's lawyer it's understandable.[/quote:d27e4e8b3e]
:yeahthat:
Just because Bette is play by Jennifer Beals. If someone else playing Bette, they won't say the same thing. (They will blame Bette)
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[quote:b09a978a99="kmx5452"][quote:b09a978a99]
That's so interesting. I can't even remember what the season 1 finale was. Can someone refresh my memory? [/quote:b09a978a99]
Alice knocking on Dana's door, saying that she can't marry Tonya, Dana asks why, and they kiss for the first time.
Bette cheating with the carpenter in a sleazy hotel, and Tina finds out, and they have angry sex.[/quote:b09a978a99]
Thank you! OMG! How could I forget that one? How soon we forget, huh?
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[quote:c0b05c7d1b]I like Lara now more then I ever did, but I really hated her and Dana as a couple. Most especially in the first season. She was overbearing, controlling and narrow-minded when her and Dana were first together. Demanding that Dana come out of the closet was horrible and is exactly what [u:c0b05c7d1b]not[/u:c0b05c7d1b] to do in a relationship. So I really did not like them as a couple, or her character, for that reason..[/quote:c0b05c7d1b]
I was completely on Lara's side in S1. There was no reason for Dana to be in the closet. In fact, I really can't sympathize with anyone who is in the closet, especially if they're trying to pull their "out" mate back into the closet. We (as LBGT) should NOT validate homophobia by being closeted. This is something Dana needed to learn.
Personally, I would never date someone in the closet, so Lara would probably be a better person than I am (if she were a real person).
Of course, I live in Los Angeles (as did Dana), which is a very accepting community for gays and lesbians. All LBGT should move out here but quick! :lol: ... or Canada or Amsterdam :D