Sometimes....I wish I was gay. I think my life would be sooo much easier, less explaining, partners would trust me more. Is that weird?
Am I alone in this?
(Funny...i have never though about wishing to be straight)
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on March 21, 2007 - 12:35pm.
no you're not alone in that
I haven't read this entire
The Grass is Always Greener?
Not to be down on the woman power thing, but just because you're a woman with a woman doesn't mean your partner is going to trust you more or you'll get along better, or you'll stay together forever. Domestic violence is still out there and even worse is ignored for the most part by the legal system. It seems like it should be easier, shouldn't it? But, unfortunately, relationships can suck no matter who they're with, I guess.
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Bi != Unfaithful
I'm not sure, but I think the OP was referring to being gay as opposed to being bi. There does seem to be this idea floating out there that bisexuals are less faithful, more likely to leave a relationship then gays or lesbians.
That's how I interpreted it,
That's how I interpreted it, too. Unfortunately, there are gals out there who associate bisexual with "woman who will dump me for a guy first chance she gets". That's really the only problem I have with being bi, that some people see me that way.
I get that a lot too. One
I get that a lot too. One woman I was interested in went so far as to say that although she realized the same argument could hold for anyone (leaving a partner for another person) somehow, the thought of being left for a MAN was too much to bear.
WTFE.
We're here, we're half queer, get used to it!
not alone
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Instead of wishing you were
Instead of wishing you were gay, wouldn't it be nice if other people weren't so prejudice?
I wish others weren't so insecure. Since you probably haven't given anyone any real reason not to trust you; You may want to consider that the trust thing is their problem and not yours.
I'm personally getting tired of the lesbian prejudice. It's really making me angry. I'm used to homophobia from straight people; but you'd think that gay women would be a little more compassionate towards bisexuals. Knowing what it's like being different and discriminated against sure doesn't seem to dawn on them when they wax self-righteous about bisexuals. When I listen to all the rhetoric, they just sound ignorant.
I don't mean to pick on you a_beautiful_lie; but what's wrong with knowing that you are attracted to both and just being content with it? I mean, if you came to me and said, "I'm attracted to men and women", that'd be enough for me. There's no confusion, nothing else to explain. Hell, all you'd have to say is that you're attracted to me and that should be it. If I know you want me, all the other shouldn't matter.
I hate the fact that ignorant and intolerant people make others want to be something they are not. We need to stop letting these assholes (for lack of a better word) define who we are.
I personally don't know why we spend so much time on these women. I know there are good lesbians out there who are secure in themselves.
you asked for it
I am getting tired of all the self-righteous bi-conspirator who think they have some divine right to force other women to convert to their way. Who the hell do you think you are to deny another woman the right to refuse to have a relationship with you?!
You are worse than a man.
A lesbian has every legitimate rights to refuse a relationship with a bi-girl. And your pathetic attempt at making us feel guilty about it isn't gonna change anything.
If you think that by making us feel pity for you we're going to bow down to the all mighty power of the dick like you do, I suggest you think again. We'll never agree to be slave to men like you are.
Your arguments are void. We never discriminate against bi-women because they're different, we discriminate against you bisexual girls because as soon as you get close we can smell the stench of males all over you. In your breath, on your cloths, even in your sweat we can smell them. It's just appalling.
We don't trust you because males are ugly, stinking,disgusting, vicious, power-hungry, backstabbing,creatures. And only someone with extrem issues could ever find them attractive and worthy of love.
We despise you because the very idea of putting our tongue where a man put his dick just days ago, if not hours, make us want to throw up.
We refuse to date you because we don't want to have to count the days before your kisses start to gets this unmistakable musky after-taste that means it's all over.
And finally we hate you because you chose to sleep with our sworn enemy and you keep trying to convert us every chance you get . Your single goal is to destroy the lesbian sisterhood from the inside, but it's not gonna work.
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Um, that's enough of that. You know, it really sickens me when I see comments like this on the boards from anyone here. As far as I am concerned, any lesbian who would say such things should be ashamed of themselves.
Regardless, there is absolutely no bashing allowed on the forums -- This, of course, includes bisexual bashing. If you have a problem with this rule, I suggest you find another forum to spew this filth.
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Wishing to be gay...
Being a lesbian is not a walk in the park. As a lesbian who has absolutely zero attraction to men I can attest to this. That being said, I think jackedup77 makes some valid points. Yes, there are lesbians who are prejudiced against bisexual women. They assume proclaiming you are bi means you want your cake and eat it too. You want a free pass to sleep with anybody and everybody. I am aware this prejudice exists. Many lesbians are disgusted by the thought of being with a woman who also has sex with men. My own personal experience however, is that I have been involved with women who are bisexual and while we were together we were in a monogamous relationship. I had no fear of being cheated on. If you love and trust your mate, and if it is agreed that the relationship be monogamous then what is there to fear? If your fear is that you are going to be cheated on then it is unrealistic to assume just because a woman is strictly lesbian you have less of a chance of being cheated on. Be loud, be proud, be yourself. Don't compromise or change who you are to benefit others. Be honest and treat others as you would like to be treated.
jackedup77
Ok this may sound stupid and abit off topic but how can you classify yourself as being bisexual? It’s obvious that someone is attracted to both sexes… but what if it’s just that… what if you can’t see yourself being in a relationship with a man but still find them attractive... I don’t find it “wrong” (as you put it) to be attracted to both but I guess I can’t be content in saying I’m bi because I really don’t know. I guess when i wished that i was gay, it was more that i wished i could define my sexuality.... sorry about that, it didn't really have anything to do with the topic, it was just kind of my thoughts.
Everything you said i completely agree with, most definately.
there's a little
there's a little misunderstanding.
I didn't say you had to classify yourself as bisexual. I just think it should be enough to say, "I'm attracted to both sexes; but right now, I can't see myself being in a relationship with a man".
My point was, In an ideal world, if you said you wanted to be in a monogamous relationship with me, your past or even current attractions shouldn't be a factor. I wouldn't be naive enough to think you didn't have some attraction for other people, but it wouldn't matter because we pledged to be faithful to each other. And it definitely wouldn't matter what sex they were.
I know I'm externalizing this when you are thinking of your own internal struggle. To me, that's a matter of self-security. And it's hard in this world when people want to define you as gay or straight; and you are somehow ostracized by both sides if you choose bisexual.
I identify as queer. I'm attracted to women more than men. I'd rather be in a relationship with a woman because with my personality, I can't imagine having a working relationship with a man. I have seen women like me married to men; but it's not the type of relationship I would want. BUT, I can't say with 100% certainty that I won't meet a man who complements me. It's all pretty complicated so I use queer as a broad label; Just to say, I can't predict the future, and I'm not going to deny myself love because I've labeled myself into a corner.
I guess I'm trying to say, it gets pretty confusing when you try to put a label on yourself; but if you just state your situation, (e.g. "I'm attracted to both sexes; but, I can't see myself being in a relationship with a man") it's pretty clear cut. And, you must be comfortable with the fact that your feelings might change years down the road. They may change because you've met someone that shatters your labels; or it can just naturally turn into something else.
There are others like you and even if there weren't; you don't have to be like anyone else.
Alright, I'm going to stop before I get more convoluted. I hope I cleared up where I'm coming from
Yeah i think i understand,
Yeah i think i understand, like when it really comes down to it, you love someone for who they are, it doesn't matter if they are male or female, as long as they make you happy and your in love.
Is that kind of what you meant?
yeah, that's kinda what I
we're not all bi-haters...
I have a beautiful bi girlfriend and it's never been a problem for me. If I'm in a monogomous relationship with someone (and sometimes I'm not, so I guess some of you will choose to put me in a 'weirdo' box for that) then I have enough self-confidence to trust my judgement that I'm dating an honest and loving person who will respect the boundaries we have created in our relationship. Some poeple cheat. This much we all know to be true. The set of all people who are cheaters does not contain all bisexuals. It doesn't even contain the majority. End of.
In actual fact I think that many bi women, far from having twice as many temptations out there actually have far fewer than a straight guy or girl, or sometimes even a lesbian (and not because some gay girls rule dating a bi woman out). For instance, my g/f is very particular about what she finds attractive in a person. She doesn't fancy the kind of guy most straight girls go for, and often she doesn't fancy the kind of girl a lesbian would go for either. But more importantly than that, I TRUST HER. Isn't that the most important thing?
I know you're not all
to answer Seraphine
Well, well, well, someone clearly has some issues with hostility towards man. Apparently, according to Seraphine, anyone who likes man (gay men/straight women/bi women/bi men) is …. oh well I don’t know what she thinks they are but she clearly does not see them or the men they like as human.
Part of me hoped that such aggressive and narrow-minded views are slowly disappearing and the other part of me is happy women like Seraphine still exist because they remind me full well of who I don’t want to be and who I don’t want to be with!!!
It is possible to love women without hating men.
Same as there are different kinds of lesbians, there are also different kinds of bisexuals.
Harpy thanks for your immediate comment regarding the aggressive nature of Seraphine’s comment. Do you know if there is anyone we can complain to?
Oh and Seraphine if you post a comment stating the country/area you live in I would be more than happy to speak to some of my colleagues and get you a referral to a really good anger-management therapist. I look forward to hearing from you.
We all have only 100% energy, why waste any of it on anger and hate, when we can spend it all on love and compassion?Must suck being in between.
Must suck being in between. I mean I'm not too fond of bi-sexuals myself and am not happy with myself for it as I dont like discriminating against people as much as possible. But I think its more to do with the fact that now its seems to be the in thing to be Bi and most girls do it for attention/guys. Ive a friend who claims to be Bi but she told me she could never sleep with a woman...so this is confusing for me. Its harder for lesbians, I think, to trust bi-sexual woman because of people like her just using them. Sad but I think its true in most cases. Well its why I'd be weary of a bi woman but then again I'm only 19 and not exactly out yet.
But if your not gay, then your not. No use wishing to be something you ain't. People should just accept you for who you are and I would think that lesbians would actually do that but judging by a few earlier comments I guess there's prejudice everywhere.
re: "it's confusing for me"
See the thing is, the women you describe here are actually just straight. Why they see the need to label themselves as something they're not is kind of beyond me, but it's pretty obvious why that kind of behaviour is annoying. If the jar is labelled peanut butter and you spread it on your bread only to find out it's jam, then you're going to be pretty pissed off, right? It sounds to me like you have a problem with girls who claim to be bi but actually aren't - I do too. So rather than say:
"I mean I'm not too fond of bi-sexuals myself"
and then be disappointed with yourself, like you are flawed in some way for feeling like that, you should take a moment to think about what the issue really is for you. Don't feel bad about discriminating against fake-bi's. We need to be able to discriminate between people who are genuinely interested in us, and people who aren't. I'd be tempted to explain, to her face, what an arse your friend is actually being.
Anyway, that was a very roundabout way of saying that I think you would actually be quite fond of bisexuals if in fact you knew any, and that part of the reason why so many bi folk feel the need to 'choose' one way or another is because many people think the way you do. It's a vicious circle. There are no real bisexual role-models out there, just a bunch of pretenders, which means real bisexuals feel that they are not bisexual because that word no longer holds any meaning for them.
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Lol, I loved how you
Lol, I loved how you explained that...the peanut butter and jam thing. That would definitely disappoint me! lol. Ah its a trust thing with me. I get scared of opening up to people which is why Im not too fond of people who say they are bi-sexual. If I honestly know that they are then I've no problem with bi's at all as I do have one genuine bi friend. I guess I have to get to know them first. Anyways I was just trying to explain why I think most lesbians are a bit weary of bi-sexuals. Oh and believe me I would love to tell the fake bi what an arse she was being.
go go go
A lot of work to be done for the bisexuals after reading all this. Well, make your websites, organise yourselves, make your statements, get your prideday, choose a color, put it on the political agenda, start a bar/club, educate us, etc. I've been waiting for a long time for some action from the bisexuals, but please stop whining. If you want a change in society, you have to struggle and fight.
go go go, this homosexual female will support
"Well, make your websites,
"Well, make your websites, organise yourselves, make your statements, get your prideday, choose a color, put it on the political agenda, start a bar/club, educate us, etc."
lol, they already have all that.
We've even put it on the political agenda and here's the response we got:
"Bisexual by definition means promiscuous, having relations with both male and female. We are going to give that a Federal preferred protected status under this legislation. I think that is a serious mistake." Senator Don Nickles (R-OK)
They call it LGBT for a reason, all of us are supposed to be fighting together. It's a litte difficult when the people you're supposed to be fighting with are hostile and/or dismissive towards you. It's a shame that bisexuals have had to build separate websites, networks, community groups, and resources, when we're supposed to be doing this together. BTW, I'm sure those links can provide many ways you can get involved. Thanks.
hmm... stop whining. well, is whining better or worse than telling bigoted lesbians to fuck off? I guess the next time I see a lesbian whine about how much they don't trust bisexuals, I'll tell them to go fuck themselves. Maybe we are wasting our time trying to educate prejudiced lesbians. Wish it didn't have to come to that. I'd rather be inclusive than militant.
hehehe
....whining vs. "go fuck yourself!"...
I know which one feels more instantaneously cathartic, but alas, it's not terribly diplomatic and I can't say that in front of my Grandma ;o)
I know exactly what you mean
I was (and sometimes still am) very confussed about my sexuality wishing to either be deffinatly gay or straight and I agree with you I've always wished to be completly gay...I guess I've just kind of accepted that I'm a girl who likes girls but occasionally if the right guy comes along you know it's fine to like him too
I kinda identify more with being a lesbian than being straight...I see regular girls and think "wow she's so pretty" but with guys unless they're stunning I'm like "still looks like a frog to me"
Natura is confussing sometimes
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