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I got this article from the Atlanta Journal Constitution.  http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2010/02/04/anti-abor...

An anti-abortion group targeting African-American women has begun putting up dozens of billboards around metro Atlanta, declaring black children to be “an endangered species.” Georgia Right to Life, announced that it would back legislation this session that would make it a crime to “solicit a woman to have an abortion based on the race or sex of the unborn child.” Two anti abortion groups are citing what they say are federal statistics that indicate 56 percent of abortions in Georgia are performed on African-American women, though black make up 30 percent of the general population.

So clearly, African-American babies are not an endangered species.. I mean, why don't they see that its offensive to even say 'species'? We are all part of the human species and the human race! I don't see why they don't find their ad offensive!

 and i guess i didn't realize that people were ever 'solicited' to have abortions based on race, or at all... I have never heard of anyone being encouraged by a group of people to get abortions, (that's why its called pro-choice, not pro-abortion, right?)   but i've definitely heard of groups of people discouraging abortions and harassing women all the way inside the clinic.  I just don't think this legislation they are trying to pass is necessary. Any thoughts? Is there something I'm missing here? 

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Chi's picture

The entire thing sounds so

The entire thing sounds so ridicolous (thats my fave word today) 

The US is not going to run out of children any time soon. The country is also not running out of African American women who want to keep a child. They don't know the circumstances of why a woman wants an abortion, so they should stop harassing a woman because of it. This is so low. They are becoming desperate to ensure women don't have abortions, it doesn't matter if they use race lol. 

Squaircle's picture

Eugenics is dead.  But yes,

Eugenics is dead.  But yes, once upon a time people were encouraged/forced to have abortions for possessing various undesirable qualities, mental illness, race, etc...  But that really isn't the case today and fundamentalist have always relied on bombastic fear mongering to gain support.  Certain parts of the U.S. increasingly seem like they're sliding backwards in time and that's kind of scary.  First Prop 8, now this?  

I say let them pass the legislation.  From the sounds of it, the wording seems vague enough that nothing substantial can ever come of it.  For example, what exactly does it mean to "solicit" someone to have an abortion?  Does this refer to a doctor rendering professional advice to a woman to terminate a dangerous pregnancy? Does it refer to a boyfriend or girlfriend expressing their disapproval of the pregnancy? (surely people can't get arrested for that). Or would it refer to the doctors in abortion clinics marching through black neighborhoods and collecting all the pregnant women, shipping them to a clinic and conducting a mass termination...no wait, THAT never actually happens. 

Michie87's picture

Agrees with the two posts above me...

The only thing that came to my mind was 'What the Hell!!', I mean, seriously, who whould come up with this kind[s] of thing[s]? Its like saying that there should be a mass extermination of Gays just because we are Gay?...when will people learn to respect others, as you said, WE are the Human RACE, no 'species' or 'aliens' or whatever the next nut job of a politican deems a certain group to be.

Pfft.

We got to learn to live together as One, like the Prophet Bob Marley said 'One love, One heart lets get together and feel alright...'

 

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SaffronLove's picture

Oh, but of course

Where else will this so-called "pro-life" group get fodder for its war machine?

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DRINA's picture

Exactly

All these things are just deterents to deviate from the real problems at hand.

eyetie's picture

some simple lil known facts

did you not know that most planned parenthood clinic which does aid in getting an abortion was founded by Margaret Sanger a well known believer in Eugenics. Dont  know what Eugenics is...........look it up. That might explain why there is a higher abortion rate in black women. 

 

Im just saying the proof is in the pudding 

 

eyetie's picture

and may i add

as far as eugenics is concerned it is most definitly not dead as long as there is racism eugenics is close behind
Squaircle's picture

If you expand a definition

If you expand a definition broadly enough, you can encompass anything within its meaning.  To say that eugenics is tantamount to racism is like saying that starvation in Africa is tantamount to death camp annihilations.  After all, we in the Western world are responsible in some way or other for the exploitation that takes place in that continent, as well the trade inequalities that result from our low-cost consumption demands.  So we capitalists consumers are perpetuating death camps in Africa...doesn't quite sound like the generalization you want to hear does it?

Well then, with all due respect, abortion rates are high among African Americans because they comprise the larger percentage of poor and working poor in America. Sad but true.  Now, the poverty itself is a result of racism, but there are many others steps between systematic racism and eugenics.  Such generalizations are almost as valid as the broad claims of "pro-lifers" that a woman should not terminate a pregnancy because it's all murder after conception.

eyetie's picture

good point but with all due

good point but with all due respect either way your for or against abortion it is a termination of life. aloud to grow it will eventually turn into a fully developed human being. Just the word it self is self defining.

Glad that people are able to share opinons and it not get all heated other wise we wouldnt get anywhere. 

 

eyetie's picture

oh i forgot

since were gonna make broad statments that dont exactly have to do with the subject hitler was also a believer and eugenics and look what he did.

 

I hate going to extremes but there it is 

SaffronLove's picture

well . . .

hitler also claimed to be a Christian, yet Jesus was a Jew--how's that for irony?--so I'm not sure I follow the logic here. 

abortion is a medical issue and thus should be left as a decision between a woman and her spouse or spousal equivalent and the attending physician.  to treat abortion as some vast conspiracy devalues the pain of women who lack better options.

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eyetie's picture

i am not treating it as a conspiracy

and if abortion is a medical issue then why is it in the state of california a minor can receive one with out parental notification. after all its "Just" a medical issue. But of course a parent must be notified if your child is given painkillers at school.

 

Im not saying its not painful I have had close friends that have had them.  but either way you are terminating a life.  and unfortunalty most women have abortions be cause there so called significant other doesnt want the kid. 

SaffronLove's picture

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"if abortion is a medical issue then why is it in the state of california a minor can receive one with out parental notification."

to protect those minors who are impregnated by their fathers or male guardians.  but this law doesn't clarify abortion as a medical issue; in fact, it has nothing to do with medicine.  but that doesn't mean that abortion overall isn't a medical issue.  

"either way you are terminating a life."

Well, of course.  And sometimes it's a necessary termination.  That some women use abortion as a matter of convenience shouldn't negate the option for all women.  I mean, do we close an entire school because one kid cheats on a test?  Of course not.  Besides, there are other ways people terminate life.  Take smoking, for example.  But we don't get nearly as outraged about that.

"most women have abortions be cause there so called significant other doesnt want the kid."

What is your source for this statistic?

 

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sunnyday's picture

"...to protect those minors

 

who are impregnated by their fathers or male guardians."

Protecting those minors also involves reporting their abusers.

Speaking of statistics, how many abortions/what percentage are performed in this scenario?  How many/what percentage of these impregnators are reported to authorities? 

And seriously, I couldn't get a callous removed from my foot when I was sixteen without parental consent.  But I could have gotten an abortion.  That's fucked up.

SaffronLove's picture

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"Speaking of statistics, how many abortions/what percentage are performed in this scenario?"

It doesn't matter.  Laws don't exist just for the benefit of those whose situations fall inside the bell curve. 

"I couldn't get a callous removed from my foot when I was sixteen without parental consent.  But I could have gotten an abortion.  That's fucked up."

You wouldn't have risked getting beaten (or worse) for treating a callous, nor is it something that would have been violently forced on you in the first place.

There are worse things in the world than the death of a zygote who has no conscious knowledge of its own existence.  Better to cease its existence than to further victimize the mother by forcing her to carry to full term. 

 

 

 

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sunnyday's picture

This is a huge issue regarding minors and abortion -

 

How many/what percentage of these impregnators are reported to authorities? 

How many of these girls are given an abortion and sent right back into the home/situation where they were impregnated/abused?  This is a huge under-reported aspect of the issue. 

 

 

"Better to cease its existence .."

Interesting euphemism. 

It's alive, so to get rid of it, it needs to be killed, right?

So I think it would be more honest to say, "Better to kill it because it has no conscious knowledge of its own existence."

Let's call it what it is.

 

 

Miss me darlin'  ;-)

 

 
SaffronLove's picture

yes. I do stand corrected

"Better to kill it [i.e., a clump of cells) because it has no conscious knowledge of its own existence---than to further victimize a young girl by forcing her to carry to full term her father's, grandfather's, neighbor's, uncle's, brother's, or stranger's child, especially if that person has AIDS."

Yes, I DO miss you.  ;)

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SaffronLove's picture

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Quote:

unfortunalty most women have abortions be cause there so called significant other doesnt want the kid. 

 

*Checks watch*

Still waiting on the source(s) for this statistic. 

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eyetie's picture

oh i forgot

since were gonna make broad statments that dont exactly have to do with the subject hitler was also a believer and eugenics and look what he did.

 

I hate going to extremes but there it is 

Squaircle's picture

I know emotions are often

I know emotions are often difficult to discern in the virtual realm, so I see how you may have interpreted my statement as a gesture of heatedness.  But rest assured that my emotions rarely ever play a role in almost any of the statements I make here.  Sorry if you interpreted my remark as an attack.  I was just trying to show you the equivalence of your logic in equating racism with eugenics.  While the two can arguably be said to be related in some form since systematic racism leads to systematic poverty and the latter is highly correlated with high abortion rates, the causal link just does not exist in a determinate enough sense for you to make such an affirmative statement.  Were your statement true, then all the ills that we cause around the world through our "sins of omissions" would also beg a similar causal statement.  That is, because we Western consumers create the demands that cause systematic starvation and poverty in Africa, we are directly responsible for killing them.  I know people who actually make this argument, but it's debatable.

On your second point about the termination of life.  That's also a questionable statement.  What is the termination of life?  Is it necessarily murder?  If a zygote is very much alive then so is a sperm cell.  In this case, prophylactics and birth control would constitute termination of potential life as well, just as the Catholic church believes.  But boy would that make us a nation of murderers every time a man threw a loaded condom into the trash.

Murder:

definition: 1) To kill (another human) unlawfully

2) To unlawfully kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.  

Contentious definitions, but valid if we are to believe the Oxford dictionary.  My point is that the last time I checked, Roe v. Wade was still upheld.  And if the above definition of "murder" is to be deemed valid, then termination of life does not equal murder.  

And this is the only point that I wished to make when I said that the pro-life fear mongers who equated abortion with murder, are quite mistaken.  Murder carries much more significance and ethical implications than a mere termination of life.

Addendum: **This has been logically argued with no ill-emotions** As a matter of fact, I'm eating delicious popcorn and strawberry rhubarb ice cream as I type. And I am never so happy as when I am eating popcorn and ice cream.  I respect you for expressing a difference of opinion, that's the beauty of the free world. 

eyetie's picture

here here!

I will share a virtul slice of pie with you! 

 btw the woman "jane Roe" who is actually norma Mccorvey. is now an advocate for the unborn. I just recently found that out and was quite amazed myself!

 Just so you know I take no offense to disagreement if we all had the same opinions we would have a very boring world :) 

Squaircle's picture

Well, I'm glad that in

Well, I'm glad that in today's world, Jane Roe now has to freedom to do so.  Luckily for the rest of us, laws don't change as frequently as people change their minds.  I think Jane  Roe's case and the processes through which is was adjudicated, has nothing to do with her state of mind or particular opinion du jour.  The name only denotes a legal precedent.  

But thanks for the virtual slice of pie.  It was delicious.  Tasted a bit like strawberry rhubarb, my favorite!!

Amanda Kay! :)'s picture

Eugenics..

Thanks for opening my eyes about eugenics. Though I definitely agree with Squaircle, b/c I talked to my friend who works at the Capital in Atlanta and who has worked at abortion clincs for years and she said that people are not solicited to have abortions. But I suppose that in the past people were, and who knows, maybe there are racist school counselors out there who would encourage only pregnant African-American teens to have abortions, but not white ones, or something like that, but I am sure that it is very rare and that it is already highly risky, offensive, and probably illegal to try and coerce anyone into getting an abortion.  The reason I don't want the legislation passed is because it distracts from any real problems at hand that Atlanta needs to face.  Anyway, Planned Parenthood is for women's choice of what to do with their bodies, today at least. 

Also the statistics claimed by the organizations in the article are very sketchy and probably untrue. 

But I agree with Squaircle that abortion rates and pregnancy rates are probably high among the impoverished, just like all around the world, for a huge combination of reasons. 

But I'm sure that there are plenty of racist and sexist people out there that would solicit abortions, but i just don't think it happens.  I grew up in a small town in the south, and I've never even heard of such a kind of racism.  Perhaps if members of extremist groups like the KKK were allowed around pregnant women somehow, it just seems like such an extreme, bizarre, and rare scenario!  But maybe I'm just naive..?

dadevi's picture

*Rolls Eyes*

This is yet another example of a political movement trying to exploit the paranoia of African Americans. There are plenty of young African American women having children without being encouraged to have an abortion. That's pretty obvious if you live in the state of Georgia, which I do, by the way. This legislation is wholly unnneccesary, and will only make it harder for health care providers to inform pregnant women of all the options available to them. But considering the active extreme-right politics practiced in this state, I wouldn't be surprised if it passed without so much as a peep.
DRINA's picture

100% correct and agreed!!!

100% correct and agreed!!!

About 13 girls in the graduating class of 2009 (at my old highschool) had babies last year and those are just the girls I knew of. All were Black/Latina so... I don't really think "solicitation" is the action.

sunnyday's picture

“If abortions...

were being supported by conservative Republicans instead of by liberal Democrats, African Americans would be loudly arguing that the true goal of abortion was to eliminate the African American race from the United States through attrition.”

I have a hard time disagreeing with that statement.  Do you?

 

Amanda Kay! :)'s picture

Wow, so today I saw the sign!

I live in a very poor, mostly African American neighborhood in Atlanta (that also, unfortunately, has the highest HIV positive population in the state) and I decided to go for a drive around the neighborhood earlier today to see if any corner stores were closing down due to the economy.. and bam, I see this giant billboard of a baby and it says, "Black children are an endangered species. toomanyaborted."  Its right across from an Elementary school, so that kids playing outside can look up and read it. Its also on the poorest, saddest looking store wall you have ever seen, where local prostitutes are known to stand around and 'sell it.'  So many things wrong with this..don't know where to begin. I assume that most people just ignore it or agree, or what? I don't know!

 

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