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Bad Girls v. The L Word

I don't know which one I prefer more.  They are both pretty 'Camp' in their own ways - one the story of a group of girls locked into steriotypical stories of bonded love the other is about prisons.  Lets have a discussion on the subject and then I might be able to decide which I like better.

Flame's picture

it is a toss

Bad Girls has high production quality - it is a good tv-drama whereas the L word's production quality is way lower. On the other hand, ladies in the L word are much prettier :)
Teratouwaka's picture

Bad Girs Good TLW Prettier

Yep, you are right there.  The writing on Bad Girls is very good and it supports an array of storylines that are grounded in reality, so it would have been pretty false to have lots of model types walking the cells.  That's why we need The L Word, without which we would not have got Alice.
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Bad Girls way better

There is no question in my mind that bad girls is way better than the L word in all aspects. The writing is soooo much better, the plots are more dynamic, and the acting is better. plus, the L word is geared towards the upper classes cause most of the characters are rich living in the souless city of LA. oh, its such a hard life when your rich. the characters on bad girls are real women who have the unfortunate circumstances of getting caught up in the system and having to pay the price of jail. it makes for better and more in depth characters as well as plots that show a more genuine and a more in depth side of human trajedy and human triumpth. bad girls kicks L Words ass by a long long shot.
Teratouwaka's picture

I'm Starting to Sway toward BG

Your arguments are spot on.  They are different animals really and that shows in the way they communicate, but I must say if The L Word had stayed as good as the pilot and most of the first season it may have been a closer run thing.

inalagirl's picture

Bad Girls by a mile

Hey its not a competition!

Having said that, Bad Girls is superior to the L Word in every aspect, including the writing, the acting, the character and plot developments.Simone Lahbib and Mandana Jones are fantastic actresses and they are drop-dead gorgeous,too.   

Teratouwaka's picture

Convincing Acting

Simone and Mandana are very good actors.  To play gay and bi convincingly takes great understanding and they have it down pat.  The little glances - follow the direction of some of the looks they give each other and see where they fall.  Great.
dj_stokes's picture

ohh simone

ohh simone simone......*hearts*

altho i do prefer the L Word. I remember just forwarding to parts in Bad Girls with Nikki n Helen in them, but at least for TLW, i can sit through the entire show. It's better entertainment.

Teratouwaka's picture

Storylines Make it Our Story

Yes, I think if you are looking for a programme full of our stories then TLW wins hands down.  But, I haven't been able to watch a full episode of TLW for a few seasons now.  There is always something that turns me right off and I go and make a pot of tea.
jxsss's picture

Bad Girls

Bad girls definately.  It's much more addicting.  The characters stay with you long after the episides are over.  The characters are more likable.  You find yourself really rooting for them.  And last but not least, some couples actually stay together.  Also, wait till you see Pat Kerrigan (Liz May Brice).
Teratouwaka's picture

Addictive Television

Although, many of the BG programmes are stand alone storylines the archs for some of them are amazing and keep you glued.  But TLW does have some lickable (oops I mean likeble) charactors in it - Alice, Alice, Al..........well you get my point.
h3llb1tch's picture

Who do you love more... Daddy... or chips ?

Which is best, the L-Word or Bad Girls ?

 That's like asking a mother which one of her children she loves best.

 It's just plain wrong to choose.

 I love them both the same.

Teratouwaka's picture

OK, OK I'm a bad Woman

Thanks for putting me in my place and my 'competition'.  They are both good in different ways that's for sure. 
sarah-stockholm's picture

Bad girls for sure

Bad girls is a plain story of love between souls and L words...hummmm sometimes it look like lust then love.

My thought ,could be wrong.So no offense please ladies.

Teratouwaka's picture

Love v. Lust

That's a great assessment.  I think the inferior writing & some wooden acting on TLW does make it difficult to see the love that is suppose to be at the heart of the stories, but sometimes they get it sooooo right Dana and Alice, Tash and Alice, me and Alice well maybe not the last one.  Bad girls communicates the breathtaking feeling of falling in love.  The skin tingling, appitite loosing, insanity of love so much better.
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Loving a woman

Its so natural and nice to love someone you related to and feel vibration inside out.

Love between man and woman is for the purpose of reproduction and once its done all what is left is emptiness.Love between women is end in itslef and not means to an end.So as Taratouwaka explains well witten script can make a huge difference.I fall in love many times with woman in life and I am happy to say that I am a lesbian but I never look at the breast of a woman before going further.I think its true with all girl lover but man measure the breast before anything.

Bad girl is such a story and sex comes very late.A natural desire like in a child to put thing in a mouth you like :))))

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I love both shows, but I

I love both shows, but I have to say one thing.. To me the big difference between TLW and BG is the slow building of characters and the lovestory in Bad Girls. It took 3 seasons for Nikki and Helen to end up together. It kept me watching, it got me hooked. It took a whole season before they shared a first kiss and then another whole season before they shared the night together. It was all about the emotions they experienced down the road.

It took exactly one episode for Jenny to fall for Marina in season 1. A few episodes later it's all over.. The L Word is so rushed sometimes in the starting and ending of love stories.

Tootsiekoala's picture

Bad Girls

I can't get enough of the British TV series, Bad Girls. I watch the eps over and over and enjoy them each time. Of course I am most interested in the beginings of love between Helen and Nikki. I do hope that blossoms to a full blown romance. Can anyone who has seen the other seasons tell me if Helen and Nikki eventually have a secret romance?. I can't wait to see them both kiss each other in a passionate way.

Keep up the good work LOGO and keep those Bad Girl episodes coming, thanks!

PS: forgive my spelling mistakes, if any :-)

Riverrain's picture

Very Bad Girls

Well I can tell you that you have to wait and find out but then that would lbe cruel. Yes they do get together but the story kinda drags. It's a great show. i am up to season 7 and have 8 on order.

Bad girls is like our Australia Prisoner but badder...I love it...The L word kinda shits me because I don't see girls like that roming Sydney...maybe its an American thing.
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Bad Girls

Thanks you for the info. Riverrain. So, you are an Aussie huh?. I have been in the beautiful land of OZ twice and I absolutely love it. I was in the Brisbane area in 2000 and 2002. I hope to go back sometime in the near future.

Anyway, beause I am in the USA, I can't order the episodes because they are not the correct region, for us they have to be region 1.

Is Helen and Nikki going to be in season 8 too?.

I like the LW but after seeing a few eps of BG's I am hooked :-).

If you know of anywhere I can get region 1, let me know I can't stand the suspense *lol*.

Cheers

Helen

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Region 1 and 2 DVD's and players

do you live in the US? Is it possible to have a Multi region DVD player and purchase the UK Dvd's of badgirls and they still work on US TV sets? I want to purchase all Bad girl DVD's but I dont want to purchase the Multi Region DVD player unless it will work on US TV's. Do you have info on this?

Thanks

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Region 1 and 2 DVD's and players

do you live in the US? Is it possible to have a Multi region DVD player and purchase the UK Dvd's of badgirls and they still work on US TV sets? I want to purchase all Bad girl DVD's but I dont want to purchase the Multi Region DVD player unless it will work on US TV's. Do you have info on this?

Thanks

KaKe's picture

Hmmmm its a tuffy

Well this really is a tuff question to answer. I mean I love both shows and they are both good in thier own ways.But in all honesty BG is just alittle bit above LW for me. I just find it better and more relatable, i mean not that ive been in prision or anything, but just the stories seem more down to earth to me. Mind you im still quite upset with the LW for killing Dana, but that nither here nor there. It may be a tuff question but my answer would have to be Bad Girls. Im way more involved with BG then I am the LW ^_^

 

 

 

 

 

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anabel219's picture

There is no DVD region problem

in North-Mexico you can buy any dvd player in most stores and the electronic personnel turn your dvd multi-region so you can play all regions 1, 4, 2...... It's really easy they just introduce a special code and bingo. You can play all your dvds no matter what region.

I bought Sugar Rush from Amazon UK (Region 2) and I needed a multi-region dvd player, so I went to DAX store and I found this unknown chinesse brand for less than $45 dollars and a guy introduced the special code and now I see all the regions. There is no extra charge if they transform your dvd player. Of course that you can buy sony, samsung, phillips, daewoo, lg,  and every expensive brand but for me it was waste of money.

Baja California is a high industrialized state and we fabricate electronic devices, aircraft parts, medical equipment, etc and it's very common in BC Mexico to fabricate dvd players that can play region 1 and 4 especially if you live across the border with USA.

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Bad girls is by far better than Lword

If we speak about storylines BAD GIRLS is by far better than the L word. The L word is hot women and sex only. Don't get me wrong Bette and Tina are soulmates sooo perfect together and when the audience believed TiBette would be the everlasting love of all seasons, Bang the couple was destroyed. Marina and Jenny were great in season 1. There is no Marina anymore and look at Jenny now. The funniest couple of the Lword was Alice and Dana. Not only Dana is dead, she chose Lara and made Alice really miserable. Come on. Shane and Carmen were sooo hot and really sexy together, and Shane did the worst thing that a woman can live, that your girlfriend/boyfriend left you at the altar. No one is happy there. GOD It's like the L word live in the twilight zone instead of LA.

On the other hand I love the intensity and subliminal passion between Nikki and Helen in Bad Girls. This series is really addictive, with good storylines and focused on reality. The most important thing is Bad girls don't make me feel miserable because my favorite couple is destroyed for nothing.

anabel219's picture

Nikki and Helen

Nikki and Helen are more intense and convincent as a lesbian couple than JoBette = JoBad kisser.

Tootsiekoala's picture

Bad Girls

There is no doubt in my mind that Bad Girls is so much better than LW. I like LW, but I love the sexual tension between Nikki & Helen in addition to getting to know some of the other inmates too.

As far as a multi region DVD player, I purchased a Phillips on Ebay and have ordered season 2 of BG, so I can't wait to get both. Once I know the DVD works I am going to get all the other seasons :-)

I had a question about season 8, is Nikki and Helen in the last season?. There names were not liste in the actor area.

Tomorrow, Sunday, LOGO our gay US TV station is showing season 1 all in a row. I have season 1 but I will still watch it again on TV :-).

For those of us who live in New England, USA I hope that storm is not as severe as forcasted.

Cheers,Tootsiekoala

inalagirl's picture

Bad Girls

Unfortunately, Helen and Nikki are only in the first three seasons of Bad Girls.
Tracy West's picture

Bad Girls ... the future

I used to be a big fan of Bad Girls, but as the series (seasons) progressed it grew more and more bizarre and lost itself along the way. There are more Lesbian couples coming up in future seasons but none are as satisfying as the development of the relationship between Helen and Nikki. What's even more unfortunate is that Jim Fenner proves to be almost indestructible. 

It's not always the case but in this one I am voting for the American glamour of the L Word over the hardcore British drama of Bad Girls.

Mercy83's picture

SPOILER

I'm really lucky to have been able to get Seasons One through to Seven out here in Australia long before you lovely Americans received Bad Girls and I don't want to be mean, but I'm just saying, don't hold your breath with Bad Girls. I'm not sure what season you're up to, but after about Season Five, it's just not worth it. As for comparing the two, I daresay I love Bad Girls the best, because it's been around longer and has more meaning to me. The L Word is just... it's a shallow drama, you know? Please don't get mad at me for saying that, but it is. It's all coffee and sex and breakups and, more recently, stupid bloody people doing stupid bloody things. I guess Bad Girls has that 'real' feel about it because whereas it might be a drama, much of it is based on true life stories. Just my two... alright, fifteen cents!

kiss_hester's picture

Bad Girls!

Well, come on, Bad Girls is sooooo the winner! I have never been so addicted to a show in my life... Even when I cut myself of from watching it, it just sticks in my brain. I actually only care about the first three seasons, although I have seen the rest, but as Crazy88s says, it just becomes bizarre.. So I only bought those three seasons. Recently I decided not to watch it for two months, but it doesn't work. So to make it easier for myself, when I crave some Nikki & Helen, I've decided to make an edited version, with only the storylines that have to do with those two. So far I have done season 1. That way I don't have to go searching through the episodes for parts I like. The rest I've seen 4 times, so now it's time for just some NH.

 The L Word is cool too, don't get me wrong. I always watch it. Have seen every season so far three times. But it just doesn't stick in my brain forever, as Bad Girls does.

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The Same Yet Different

I love both shows, well I take that back I love the first three seasons of Bad Girls. Because of the Nikki and Helen Story line. I think there is two things that Bad Girls and The L word have in common. One both shows are based around woman. And two there is lesbian story lines in both. Where Bad Girls has more random lesbian story lines. The L word is based not only around woman but lesbian and bisexual woman. So in the long run its hard to compair the two. We all fell in love with Nikki and Helen from Bad Girls. Which was and still is its main draw. The L word has a constant stream of couples that we either love to hate or just plain love. I love both shows for some common reason but also for very different reasons.

Jessi

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bad girls wins in the vs

bad girls wins in the vs each other battle royale. l word is just....terrible...
chris_lush's picture

bad girls v l word

It's wierd for me to read all these comments about Bad Girls and the Helen & Nikki storyline 'cos living in the UK I first watched this back in 1999 when it aired on ITV1, but reading about Helen & Nikki again really brings back all the skin tingling 'will they get together' excitement I felt then. 

There definately is something about Bad Girls that stays with you, it has been 5 years since I last saw Helen & Nikki together but there is still nobody hotter than Helen Stewart on TV!
Tootsiekoala's picture

Helen & Nikki

At the end of season 3 of Bad Girls. Nikki and Helen are kissing, then the words "to be continued" show up. Why would that be if they are not in season 4?. My only theory is that they are telling us that Nikki and Helen will stay together but I'm not sure.

Can anyone give me an answer? Thanks in advance :-) 

lucyvaliant's picture

Show Creators

The show's creators wanted to bring them back but it never happened. There's an interview with Maureen Chadwick on the Bad Girls tab under TV Shows. She explains what happened there.
NLL's picture

BG all the way.

For me the hellword is just that--the hellword. I find it embarrassing and cringe inducing, and I never found it compelling in anyway, and it barely held my interest in S1--I was often bored watching it. It's not something I regularly watch at all anymore. BG, on the other hand, sucked me in right from the beginning--I had never seen anything like it before. However, I think BG started to jump the shark in S3, and definitely in S4. Uh, terrible. I stopped watching BG after S4 so I don't know if it returned to it's glory years {S1,S2}
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Bad Girls!

I've been following the L Word since it started through the recaps here in AfterEllen, and  when I finally saw the episodes, they were ok, but I had much more fun reading the recaps, because they made the showmuch better.  I mean I was in love with Dana, but I haven't seen any episode of Bad Girls, only few clips on YouTube and I've been reading the recaps that Scribegrrrl writes, and I'm so totally adicted to them! They are much better, and the clips I've seen, wow! I'm crazy about Helen!  Adn you might think it is an "Overnight" addiction... yes! it is! I spent the whole night up, reading and reading!!!! The L Word is good, but Bad Girls seems so much better! (At least what I've read until now!).  And they are taking things slow, just like it was with my girlfriend! We just ordered the firt three seasons from England!  
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BG is not only much better

BG is not only much better but also more lesbian. The characters and the storylines are really written from a feminist and lesbian point of view. You can tell it from little details, such as,for example, the fact that the pursuer in theN&H storyline is Helen, the straight one. And I wouldn't say women in BG aren't hot (Helen? Nikki? Yvonne?), they're women, not top models ...

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huh?

clairemoon wrote:
the fact that the pursuer in theN&H storyline is Helen, the straight one. And I wouldn't say women in BG aren't hot (Helen? Nikki? Yvonne?), they're women, not top models ...

Huh?  Helen is the pursuer?  Are we watching the same show? 

And did someone say that the BG women weren't hot?  I agree, they're much closer to "real" women than the L Word women are, but, that's exactly what makes them hot. 

Lisa


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REAL Hot Chicks & BG vs. LW

undrcovridgr wrote:

clairemoon wrote:
the fact that the pursuer in theN&H storyline is Helen, the straight one. And I wouldn't say women in BG aren't hot (Helen? Nikki? Yvonne?), they're women, not top models ...

Huh?  Helen is the pursuer?  Are we watching the same show? 

And did someone say that the BG women weren't hot?  I agree, they're much closer to "real" women than the L Word women are, but, that's exactly what makes them hot. 

Lisa

I wholeheartedly agree that the women in BG are Hot because they look like REAL People not Women who have had 4 hours of "Styling" (L Word) As to who is doing the pursuing I think Clairemoon has a valid point ... think about all the times Helen follows Nikki ... to the potting shed (inexplicably!) ... to her cell ... goes to find her in the garden ... It's not just some fantasy in Nikki's head... she knows this woman is pursuing her, the problem lies with Helen figuring that out.

As to which show is better ... I have found both equally addictive, however as many have already said BG stays with me, gets into my head.  L Word is "fluffier."

Quality of Acting: Bad Girls wins Hands down! (tho' in my opinion British TV almost always does this better b/c they let actors actually ACT!) Bette, Jenny and Alice are the best acted Characters on the L-word, All the Characters on BG are well acted!

Character Development: Bad Girls.

Plot development: Bad Girls.

Eye Candy: L Word

Sex Scenes: L word

Bad Girls is simply higher quality Television!

Freedom is not something you are given, but something you have to take.

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Some were hot but some were

Some were hot but some were really fuggy too. I don't find all of the cast of the L Word horribly unrealistic in attractiveness. There are only a few people on the show that are really, really stunning. Same with Bad Girls there are people who are attractive, cute and many other things(DS is just weird though).

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sorry

double post

Lisa


cazzypants's picture

Simone, Simone, Simoooooooooan

Inexplicably, I'm a brand spanking newbie to the BG world. I vaugely remember when it was being broadcast, and how huge it became, but I never tuned in until recently when I got my hands on all 8 seasons.

Undeniably, the first 3 seasons are far superior to the rest. The Helen/Nikki storyline is among the most convincing f/f romances I've seen on either televison or film. It doesn't hurt that Simone Lahbib is HOT, and MY GOD that accent!

I've watched up to series 3 of the L word, and, while enjoyable, it's never made the same impact on me at BG.

oscartg's picture

The L Word V Bad Girls

I enjoyed both show, I loved some parts of both show and I hated other parts of both shows. I admire the intentions of the creators of the original Bad Girls and the Helen/Nikki storyline was really very revolutionary for its time. If we compare early Bad Girls with The L Word the storyline and writing is tighter and more consistent but I saw Bad Girls because a vile mess in later seasons. Putting that aside I adored both show but I think The L Word has more re-watchability because it's fun and has more lesbian content about it. Bad Girls is a distant memory to me at the moment and I feel I have exhausted everything I could think or say about the show so for the moment I prefer The L Word.

PorscheOwner's picture

Sorry But I Prefer BAD GIRLS

I WATECHED BOTH The L Word /its 4 seasons/ and Bad Girls / the whole 8 Seasons and both of them are Lovely...

Nikkie and Helen's story line was the best through out the seasons...

dreamlife_613's picture

I am definitely a fan of

I am definitely a fan of prison dramas (Oz, Prison Break), so it was cool to see one that focused on women instead of men behind bars.  Bad Girls is the only show on LOGO that I watch.  Plus, Nikki became my favorite character immediately.  My only issue with Bad Girls is it doesn't go as far as I'm used to with US TV.  Especially after seeing the brutal violence in Oz and the pure genius behind Prison Break, I feel like if Bad Girls were produced by HBO or even a network station, it would be more appealing.   Still, I would like to get caught up on the episodes I've missed since it has some interesting storylines.
ahill's picture

Seasons 5-8?

my gf and I love this show but we don't want to spend over $100 to get the later seasons on amazon.  Wondering if there is anyone out there who would want to sell their copies.  cheers luv, abbie
spinaround's picture

No doubt..

I have to say I prefer Bad girls.Every single episode of that show was amazingly written,especially seasons 1-3.I'm still missing that show..it kind of sucks that they've shown all the seasons in here already.The L word,on the other hand,is so different and interesting in it's own way and the actors are beautiful and all but the plots are weak compared to Bad girls.

Plus,Bad girls had Simone and Mandana and nothing can top those two together :)


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