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Why men love lesbians?


Spice's picture

Re: Why men love lesbians?

 

Just saw the video..I think that men like the "idea" of lesbians, because they can imagine themselves in between the women they are looking at... I think it is about a projection of a fantasy. I stand to be corrected, obviously!!

 

Shiznortizny's picture

Well...

some guys DO just like to watch

but some guys think they can have a threesome even tho they're LESBIANS...not BI

i've had to tell MANY guys that i'm a lesbian just so they'll stop hitting on me (but i'm really bi) and all of a sudden they start hitting on me MORE.  i'm like...so...you think it's hot that i'm a "lesbian" so you're going to hit on me more?   SOMEBODY is ...dumb

i remember i had this part in one of my scripts where a girl tells a guy "i'm into chicks" and he says "no way! me too! we have so much in common! we should go out sometime!"  cuz guys are really dumb like that sometimes....

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"Valentine's Day's coming? Aw crap! I forgot to get a girlfriend again!"- Fry

Spice's picture

Re: Well

 

 

"i remember i had this part in one of my scripts where a girl tells a guy "i'm into chicks" and he says "no way! me too! we have so much in common! we should go out sometime!" cuz guys are really dumb like that sometimes...." - They really do perpetuate the stereotype... lol

Koma's picture

men love lesbians

I agree that it's the whole fantasy thing. Even if they know there's not a chance of actually joining in, just the thought is enough - or "Double Sexy!" as the men in Kissing Jessica Stein would say. Plus, the media perpetuates this by giving us plenty of images in which the man does inexplicably get called to action by the women who supposedly have no interest in him!

For men who have been friends with a woman for a while and then that woman comes out as a lesbian, does the guy start to see her as "one of the guys", someone to talk about hot girls with? I've never had a long-term straight male friend whom I was out to (well, just acquaintances) so I don't know but am quite curious.

 

True happiness, we are told, consists in getting out of one's self, but the point is not only to get out, you must stay out; and to stay out you must have some absorbing errand. -Henry James

Spice's picture

Reply to Koma :-)

 

"For men who have been friends with a woman for a while and then that woman comes out as a lesbian, does the guy start to see her as "one of the guys", someone to talk about hot girls with? I've never had a long-term straight male friend whom I was out to (well, just acquaintances) so I don't know but am quite curious." - One of my best friends is a str8 man, and he was one of the first people I came out to.. needless to say, he was exceptional, and helped me through all the questions that I was asking myself at that point.. He has never treated me like one of they guys, much the opposite, he always treats me like a woman who loves another woman.... I dont know if this answers your question at all, but please ask on! I may be able to satisfy your curiosity!!

 

Druj's picture

Yeah...

koma wrote:
For men who have been friends with a woman for a while and then that woman comes out as a lesbian, does the guy start to see her as "one of the guys", someone to talk about hot girls with? I've never had a long-term straight male friend whom I was out to (well, just acquaintances) so I don't know but am quite curious.

Many of my best friends are male and straight and since I'm totally out, I suppose you could say that I'm "one of the guys", as they don't treat me any different then they do each other. If we're walking somewhere in the city, for example, and some girl with a nice butt walks by, I get nudge and I get the winks that they'd give to each other in that kind of a situation.

I wouldn't have it any other way. I am more like them than I am like the typical girl anyway, and they recognize this fact and treat me accordingly.

Riven2310's picture

Attracted to what they can't have.

I think it has a lot to do with their egos and insecurity.  If they were simply turned on by desiring women, then there are plenty of women out there who are attracted to men and pictures of nude women they could enjoy.  But instead, a lot of them specifically want to see 2 women together, especially if the women call themselves lesbians or video gives that impression.  I think there are men who don't like the idea that women who are lesbians means they aren't involved at all.  By watching us have sex, then they are included, even if it's in their fantasy.

koma....I've had long-term friendships with straight men, most I've been upfront with from the beginning, some I didn't dicuss my personal life for a while. Either way, I've been fortunate that they've treated me with respect - nothing has changed since they found out.  I wouldn't say they treated like one of the guys, more like equals and close friends with more in common. But I've also met a lot of guys, who when they found out that I'm gay, either were homophobic or they wanted to watch.  Some of them when I told them I'm a "lesbian" somehow thought it really meant I must be "bisexual" and wanted to be sexual with them.   Even when I've told them I wasn't attracted to men, they either still came on to me or wanted me to meet their biesxual gf/wife.  From my exper., I'd have to say it depends on the man.

candidlycassandra's picture

My guess.

Those women aren't lesbians, they are straight girls who are kissing for the enjoyment of a heterosexual male viewer. That's why men think it's hot; two women, who fit society's idea of "feminine beauty," are kissing in a way that straight men would like them to kiss.

How often to real lesbians do something like that, really? Especially with nails that long?
smokinbluegrass's picture

How do we know they aren't lesbians?

I mean, did I miss the part with the "We aren't lesbians, but we are playing them on this video"? In answer to frequency of "something like that" and "nails that long," well, I seem to get it whenever I want it, and the long nails can be rather interesting and fun when correctly used or gloved (for those moments when gentle just isn't quite enough).   ;-)
candidlycassandra's picture

You're right. I guess I was

You're right. I guess I was distracted by my distaste for tongue touching and scratches.
TheLGirl26's picture

Why ...

I don't think men like lesbians ... they like girls who would make out with other girls in front of them, as long as they still want to sleep with them ... Men like to get involved or at least believe that they could.

"Seize the day or die regretting the time you lost"

fck's picture

Men likes lesbians the same

Men likes lesbians the same reason we do..2 girls together is hot.
Momma Bear's picture

men like lesbians

fck wrote:
Men likes lesbians the same reason we do..2 girls together is hot.

This is a true fact. But some men and women would agree it depends on waht the women look like. Med Loooove lesbians, I was once offered a $100 bill to kiss my girlfriend in the village by 2 guys. I said no.

Bliss's picture

Boys will be...Boys

Men like the idea of lesbians.  If they were to think with their minds, they would realize that they don't have a chance but they don't think in the right frame of mind.  I think that men have the fantasy because they are god's gift to women and can even turn a lesbian straight with their male prowess.

**A woman needs a fine and rare sincerity and a good amount of high-minded simplicity to determine what it is in her that tips the scale and adds some standard and approved element to her clandestine sex life.  Sincerity is not a spontaneous flower.**

Bliss's picture

Boys will be...Boys

Obviously, men aren't god's gift to women...otherwise... we would all be with them? 

**A woman needs a fine and rare sincerity and a good amount of high-minded simplicity to determine what it is in her that tips the scale and adds some standard and approved element to her clandestine sex life.  Sincerity is not a spontaneous flower.**

SubTexting's picture

Beyond the Fantasy

I think that it goes further than the fantasy (though that is part of it).  I think it also has to do with the fact that they do not feel threatened.  While they may or may not think they will be part of the fantasy, I think it simply does not occur to many of them that they could actually lose the girlfriend they are encouraging to sleep with the other woman to that very same woman.  At least until they get older and realize that sometimes life is harsh.

Perhaps it also never occurs to them that there was always a 'first' for many gay women and, if their girlfriends are the ones encouraging the threesome, perhaps they are looking for their first.

blah1700's picture

I think it's all a ruse

By claiming that they 'love lesbians', or that two girls together are 'hot' it gives them control over the situation... or so they think. Like someone already said, it makes them feel included. If they can get a girl to kiss her girlfriend they can fool themselves into thinking that lesbian sexuality is all for them. Those saying a video is hot also say it for this reason - I find that it comes from them trying to trivialise it.  

I have a couple of close straight male friends who started out with the whole 'lesbians are hot' thing but then when they found out that I was one and met some of my lesbian friends - they couldn't deal. Since we were not going to kiss for their amusement or suddenly invite them into our bedrooms they revealed their insecurities and true feelings about the whole lesbian thing. It was quite an enlightening conversation. 
Kaira's picture

I dont think they love

I dont think they love lesbians. They love bisexuals (though they see no difference between lesbian and bisexual). Or to be more specific: they like watching and participating with open minded bisexual women.

Lesbians, in and of themselves as real people, they find irritating.  

Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

Shiznortizny's picture

The other night...

My two of my friends were fake hitting on eachother...and of course they brought me into it cuz girls always like to make their boyfriends jealous by making them think they're having an affair with me and my friends boyfriend pulls me to the side and like gets mad at me and says "i really dont like that....i really dont like that whole lesbian thing" and shit like that ...some guys really dont like it...well especially if they see their girlfriends getting into it lol 

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vandrare's picture

If 1 hot woman is good, 2 must be...

... extra good ?! 

I think it's more to do with men being very visual in general. 

People like being turned on, and women engaged in sexual activity will turn (straight) men on.  Visual stimulus is enough without having to get in on the action... so whereas they may fantasise about being involved it is not necessary to enjoy it.  If nothing else, the porn industry proves that!

 It's simply a visual turn on.

Lu's picture

Two women

I have mixed feelings about this. I think the motivation is different for different men. I come across this pretty often as a bisexual woman. I was in a relationship with a lesbian and when one of our male friends found out I was bisexual he had the nerve to tell her that "you know, if you ever need my help just invite me in the bedroom." What a punk.

I think it has a lot to do with power. It is uncomfortable on a very deep level for men to think of women's sexuality being something outside of their influence, control, participation, whatever. Very few things offend me more than men who ask me to kiss other women for their own amusement. I don't mean to be "sensitive". If I were dating a man, would they ask me to kiss him in front of them? That is why I'm don't entirely buy the "men are visual" argument. Yes, they are sexually more visual people, but the dynamic changes a whole lot with lesbians.

probablytripping's picture

an actual serious answer!

i've asked my guys friends a couple times, individually so they wouldnt all just agree with each other cause i wanted to see what the consensus was, and actually what they said was that they like to watch 2 girls making out or having sex or whatever it is, because while watching a man and woman do the same thing, theyre watching the woman and the man is just kinda there, like theyre not watching the guy and getting turned on. when it's two girls they have two things to look at and get turned on by so it's actually not like "oh they're lesbians i want to make them have sex with me" it's that they're straight guys so watching a guy and a girl theyre not getting turned on by the guy. It's not that they're lesbians, it's that it's two women. This is the explanation i like cause it makes men less like dogs. either that or i just have awesome friends.
sweetvanilla's picture

That makes sense. Straight

That makes sense. Straight guys love girls so seeing two girls together turns them on. Why aren't lesbians that way? Lesbians get turned on by two guys having sex which make no sense.

ginaji's picture

Another perspective

I was watching "But I'm a cheerleader" where two pretty boys get into a provactive scene, shall we say. And I didn't mind it at all, because they were good looking; it was just beauty and sex combined. With two bears, not so much. So guys must like it at least at that level. After that you can pile up multiple reasons such as power, self absorption etc. I suppose in effect I'm agreeing with the serious answer above.
turkish's picture

Attractiveness plays a part

I think men get turned on by watching two girls make out or have sex if they are really attractive women. Not just lesbians but women in general. I don't think they would be interested in watching two ugly people going at it. Straight or gay it's all about how attractive the two people are. Plenty of guys watch porn but if the girl they are watching is unattractive to them then they will move on the next porn movie.
eve_jig_it's picture

Yep that’s the real truth

Yep that’s the real truth. I’ve put the ‘two ugly girls kissing’ scenario to my two male housemates, and their reaction was a big groan of no thanks kind of thing. It’s all about the aesthetic pleasure, not the sexuality on its own. As long as its pretty, they like it. Anything but attractive, they’re over it in a second. And if it’s not catered especially for them either, then they’re over it as well.

AvELaR's picture

Weird

that was the most awkward and uncomfortable "lesbian" kiss i've ever seen it was gross i was waiting for one of them to bite the others tongue. . . i don't know why men would enjoy that. . .i know i didn't
aRiM's picture

i agree with turkish.. the

i agree with turkish..

the men love watching 2 attractive women go at it imagining to be between them.. i don't think it's the lesbian thing per say.. i mean if 2 unattractive very lesbian girls went at it, it wouldn't be so provocative to them..

and probably because they'll never be able to know the intimacy between 2 women in bed..

susanmaria's picture

Why men like lesbians

This is something I have never really understood.  I once asked my ex boyfriend who told me that men imagine that while these women are doing all these things to each other, they imagine that what they really want is a man to do these things to them.  Therefore if they do not prefer women sexually then they are not actually lesbians.  It does seem that men prefer the fantasy idea rather than real lesbians.  I remember seeing the film "Lenny" about Lenny Bruce, who persuaded his wife to have lesbian sex in front of him, but when she began to enjoy it and had affairs with other women, he wasn't happy.  When she told him he had started it, he told her he hadn't expected her to like it.  Real lesbian sex excludes men completely.  I always wondered if men liked it when other women were doing it because they see it as dirty, or if they would like their wife or daughter to do this to entertain men.  Or is it just their way of controlling this.  It angers me because of the way it is protrayed, like it trivialises it in some way, like it is something for men to snigger at. Gay men are not presented in this way.

 

sweetvanilla's picture

Lesbians spend waaay too

Lesbians spend waaay too much time wondering why men like this, why men do that and not enough time on women. Who cares if men like lesbians! Two women together is HOT! Why wouldn't they like it, they're straight. They like women, so two women for them is better than one.

The greater mystery is why lesbians like to watch gay porn. Now that doesn't make sense. But straight guys lusting after lesbians makes sense.

Plus, there are plenty of women who love gay men, who fall in love with them and try to "turn" them but gay men don't seem to be bothered by that. Why? Because they are too busy loving men and sucking dick.

What lesbians need to do is leave men and their fantasies alone and concentrate on WOMEN!

Harpy's picture

[shrugs]

Funny how you keep saying that 'lesbians love gay porn' but really no lesbians here have said they do.  [shrugs]

But okay. 

I think you may spend a little too much time worrying about what other lesbians do.

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Halliar's picture

I actually like gay porn

but I'm not a lesbian, which in turn would explain why men like two women together. If instead of one hot guy you give me two, well bring it on! And it's not that I desperately want to get in the middle, I'm just happy looking at them. As some people already pointed out, I think it's just about them being attractive or not, not who they're getting it on with. If there was a woman in there too, I'd still be happy about my boys, and so would guys in the opposite situation. The only difference is that would be straight porn, and let's face it, they don't cast the same kind of guys.

And by the way, "sweety", just because you keep repeating lesbians like gay porn, it's not gonna become true..

Anonymous's picture

Snort.

Talk about the most ironic username in the history of Ever.

I'd like to know how well she survives within her own categories. I won't hold my breath. 

Inkblots

Proud 2B Bi's picture

Same kind of guys?

Halliar wrote:

but I'm not a lesbian, which in turn would explain why men like two women together. If instead of one hot guy you give me two, well bring it on! And it's not that I desperately want to get in the middle, I'm just happy looking at them. As some people already pointed out, I think it's just about them being attractive or not, not who they're getting it on with. If there was a woman in there too, I'd still be happy about my boys, and so would guys in the opposite situation. The only difference is that would be straight porn, and let's face it, they don't cast the same kind of guys.

And by the way, "sweety", just because you keep repeating lesbians like gay porn, it's not gonna become true..

No sweety, two guys who have sex with each other and a girl and the same time in porn is not "straight porn" it is bisexual porn. And there's a lot of MMF bisexual porn available if you look for it.

 

Also if you're trying to tell us that there's no good-looking guys in straight or bisexual porn then that is just not true. Quite a few of those hot guys you see in gay porn are bisexual and perform with women as well. Margaret Cho's favorite "gay" porn star Jeff Stryker being a prime example.

Not all straight porn is made for, or by, men who aren't really concerned with what the guys look like either. Playgirl TV's core audience for their straight couple videos are women and gay and bisexual men for example.

Jake Cruise is a gay porn director who makes straight porn "for gay eyes". Basically that just means he shoots boy-girl couples and focuses the camera a lot more on the guy than you will generally get to see in porn made for men who are really just interested in the girl. And there are plenty of gay men who will happily watch boy-girl scenes if they fancy the guy and get to see plenty of him. Ron Jeremy even has some gay male fans - guys who like bears.

There are quite a few female directors in porn now as well  who want to sell to women as well as men - for example Candida Royale. And they usually cast the best looking men they can find.

But hey if you're a lady who loves to watch men getting it on in gay porn then fine. But please don't pretend it's because there are no good-looking men in straight or bisexual porn for you to look at.

Also there are lots of male lesbian porn fans who absolutely do not want to see any men getting in on the action. They'd rather not even think about a men holding the camera - so some studios are using female only camera crews now to shoot girl-girl.

Amy M's picture

I think those guys have issues

Proud 2B Bi wrote:
Halliar wrote:
Also there are lots of male lesbian porn fans who absolutely do not want to see any men getting in on the action. They'd rather not even think about a men holding the camera - so some studios are using female only camera crews now to shoot girl-girl.

I think those guys have "issues". I could understand a lesbian preferring to see porn made by other women, but a guy freaking out because there's a male production assistant that he doesn't even see?

 

Maria's picture

What I really want to know

What I really want to know is why so many of my straight female friends enjoy lesbian porn (with no dudes at all) so much.  Many of them don't watch any porn with men in it but are attracted to men sexually and in relationships with them.
incurablygay 's picture

I find that a lot of my

I find that a lot of my straight friends enjoy same sex fiction and erotica.

According to one of the sites sweetvanilla posted this may be why.

 "does it follow that straight women are sometimes attracted to other women? Yes. In fact possibly as many as 84% of heterosexual women experience same-sex attraction. However, as Lisa Diamond notes, “A reliable answer to this question is elusive, given the stigma that prevents heterosexual women from readily acknowledging same-sex attractions.”

so who knows if homophobia wasn't so prevalent not as many people would identify as straight.

VeeMachi's picture

They like lesbians because

They like lesbians because they think that either for the most part they don't exist (therefore most lesbians are bisexual), or that they don't exist at all (that they all are bisexual).

They find women having sex attractive, and the idea of two women even more so (who can blame them). They believe that if two of us are into each other, then we must be into them. Their minds find the idea that they aren't, that they may never be, so appalling, so horrify, that they can't consciously or unconsciously accept the reality of it. Thus out of a need to believe in the lie, they do, and go on with these lies not only unquestioned by the world around them, but reinforced by it they keep on believe it without question.

Combine all that with the pervasive and disgusting stereotypes surrounding us bisexuals that even I once believed to be true for the most part (which is why I didn't want to be labeled anything for a long time) it results in men largely believing that lesbians and bisexuals are just women 'eating tacos 'cause they don't have any sausages at home'.

hypothesis's picture

A challenge?

Is it maybe a challenge? Over the last couple of months I've lost count of the number of guys who've asked me out, and the majority have known that I'm gay. In fact in some cases I think they might have even tried harder after finding that out. :S I don't know any other ways to say 'I'm not interested'!
Amy M's picture

Reasons Why

Reasons why...

1) Many men are so chauvinistic and phallocentric they can't register the concept that a woman could be satisfied without their almighty private parts involved, so they think two women together isn't a threat to them. (which raises the issue, if they think dicks are so wonderful, they're probably gayer than I am).

2) The whole "1 guy with two women in a harem" fantasy is pretty biologically awkward (and i.m.h.o. unnatural). Men have less stamina than women and aren't wired to multitask, so it's pretty unlikely a guy can "satisfy" two women, so he has to count on them interacting with each other, hence the obsession with women with other women.

Personally, if I see two hot women together or two hot men together in the real world I automatically feel left out, because if they're with each other, they're not with me.  -)

Anonymous's picture

It's all about the Egos Amigos

A couple of straight men once told me they loved watching two women have sex because they think lesbians are 'freaky' and they visualize themselves as the man in-between them. They considered that lesbian sex was not 'real sex' to complete the job and they were the man to accomplish this.

In real life, (porn excluded here) I've had men come on to me because they wanted to convert me. They just would not believe I was attracted to only women. The usual generic responses to my 'no' were usually 1) you haven't met the right man yet." 2) I don't mind if a woman sleeps with another woman but why won't she also sleep with a guy?" (duh) 3) "You're a freak of nature!"  4) "But other lesbians have slept with me, why won't you? Are you frigid or somethin?"

To me, it all boils down to ego and wanting what you can't have. Some men have become downright hostile toward me - especially if they see me with an attractive woman. I've had gay baiting in the streets and physical violence from men who just hated lesbians and on and on.

For me, men are okay as friends (especially my gay brothers) but there are plenty of straight women out there who are available so please leave the lesbians alone. I wish they'd drop their bruised egos and put their weiner back in their pants.

Low-Ren-Zo.'s picture

conquest.

because they like the fact that maybe if they try their luck, they'll be the magic penis to bring a chick back. Or something. it's a conquest. 

 

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Artgeek's picture

Curious

I got onto this site cause once again I was faced with my cousin's ex boyfriend's facebook status talking about two lesbians making out and why did they have to be ugly cause how was he suppose to enjoy it.

This whole issue of straight men liking lesbains does my head in, cause I am really keen to know why. I like the responses people are saying, I think it's interesting. Though, apart of me doesn't feel like anything really explains why they like it?

They say they're visual creatures, is this the way they really are? Or is it a product of what an old fashioned society has told them to be. We live in a culture that boxes everything, women are seen as sexual creatures that pleasures men, we could date this back to the story of Adam and Eve, in a creative interrpuation we could say that, Eve that made the first move, she offered her apple to Adam, which his snake rose and the knowledge of sex was brought to their attention. I guess their naked bodies stood for more then just shapes, they were now connected to emotions and physical pleasure.

Are men really attracted to two women? Or are they told to be? How much influence does Porn, TV, mates, society, religion? etc play in the part where they feel that a lesbain or bi person is really just another fanasty that they can out play.

I've often seen a lot of my striaght male friends, notice two girls walk past and they just stop and look at them, or they make remarks, I sometimes find it hard to be friends with guys for that reason. It feels like some men are trapped in this idea of what they feel they should be and maybe them liking lesbians is up there with being sporty, macho and drinking beer.

 

Proud 2B Bi's picture

told to be???

Flora84 wrote:

Are men really attracted to two women? Or are they told to be? How much influence does Porn, TV, mates, society, religion? etc play in the part where they feel that a lesbain or bi person is really just another fanasty that they can out play.

The notion that men who are aroused by sapphic imagery, lesbian erotica and girl-girl porn might have somehow been "taught" / "influenced" against their nature to be aroused by these things sounds dangerously close to me to heterosexist and homophobic theories that homosexuality is a choice: is learned behaviour: and isn't natural but caused by environmental factors such as bad parenting.

 

Most men are sexually attracted to women. Most men will get sexually aroused watching two (or more) women they find sexually attractive being sexual with each other. It's like a double helping of eye-candy.

It's the same basic reason that many straight and bisexual women are turned on by watching gay porn.

http://www.metro.co.uk/metrosexual/article.html?Women_who_like_to_watch_gay_porn&in_article_id=356386&in_page_id=8

Obviously many men like the idea that the "lesbians" they watch in porn are bisexual and would have sex with them too - and indeed the vast majority of "lesbians" they see in porn are women who have sex with men as well. Other men aren't bothered either way as long as they get to watch. It's pretty much the same with women who love gay porn - except the lesbians who love gay porn I guess.

Guys who ask if they can watch can be a nuisance. Especially if they won't just take a firm no for an answer. However I think men who "hate lesbians" are a far greater cause for concern.

VeeMachi's picture

many or most men find other

many or most men find other men's sexuality as both offensive and threataning, and womens sexuality as something passive and for their pleasure. with that mentality it's obvious that they would find girl of girl stuff hot.
iluvpie's picture

men dont love lesbians

otherwise gay marriage would be legal

they just like to watch the sexual interaction between two women, which is kinda hypocritical