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AMAZON LIES

I am the author of the LAMBDA Notable Book, The Secret Keeping, as well as The Secret Trilogy, Girl Trouble, and several other popular LGBT paperbacks sold on Amazon.com.

All of my novels have been aggressively censored by Amazon since (at least) January of 2008, when they were first released as Kindle editions and promptly rigged in the Kindle store so as not to register any sales ranks and bestselling categories, or to show up properly in Amazon search results. I have also experienced mysterious "sourcing fees" applied by Amazon to the list prices of my LGBT paperbacks, as well as the deletion of five-star customer reviews of them, the removal of their "in stock" status, and a host of other handicapping techniques which are still in effect today.

Since the first quarter of 2008 to the date hereof, I (and my team) have, in vain, relentlessly pursued Amazon about their insidious censorship of my titles. Through telephone calls, e-mails and forum posts, we have repeatedly demanded that they cease and desist burying my novels in their browse tree and otherwise hindering my sales. We have also urged them to provide all authors with "equal access" to their site features and a "level playing field" upon which to compete. As Amazon can confirm, the cry "missing sales ranks" and "discrimination" was Team Saint Marie’s mantra in 2008, and it was even the title of a widely read "thread" we posted in the Kindle publishers’ forum, which Amazon hastily deleted. Indeed, "missing sales ranks" and "discrimination" was the subject of many circular (and recorded) phone conversations with Amazon’s representatives, not to mention an awesome number of e-mails!

For example, in April 2008, we sent them this one with the rather bland but direct subject heading, "Standard features missing from our Kindle detail pages." It said simply:

"Hello. We publish numerous titles for your Kindle wireless. We need:

1. ‘Sample chapter now’ buttons on all of our titles (and)
2. their Amazon sales ranks cited on their respective detail pages.
That will help a lot. Thanks in advance."

Amazon cryptically replied, "This can’t be done manually by us at this time.".

Which only made it necessary to write to them again:

"Most of our Kindle titles have been in the Amazon Kindle store since Jan/Feb and selling, so their ASIN’s are evidently missing from your database since they have no sales rankings listed. Please add these ASIN’s to your sales ranking database so that they can get ranked and listed in their popular categories: B0012J44QY, BOO129IFY6, B0017Q1EKQ, B00169QIQQ (also just listed - B0018JZWYQ). Thanks in advance."

Amazon restated, "We do not have the ability to manually add content into the Amazon sales ranking system."

And then again, "Amazon has no means of manually adding sales ranks/categories due to the automated nature of the system."

And again, "We remain unable to manually add sales ranking information to any product detail pages."

And again, "This is a fully automated process and we have no way to change this manually."

In May 2008, our Kindle publishing account started tallying zero royalty percentages for each of our sales and when we complained of this, it suddenly froze up on us completely, with no new sales registering in it at all. Because Amazon refused to respond to our inquiries about it, we had to send them this e-mail:

"By now you know that my Kindle sales account has been botched and/or sabotaged. Whichever it is, it’s inexcusable and I need it fixed today. I’ve sold dozens and dozens and dozens of Kindle titles for you…plenty of sales since January — many not fulfilled since January — not to mention the absence of sales rankings and no ‘popular’ categories on our detail pages…I’m within my rights to ask, ‘What the heck is going on here?!’ and to receive an honest answer from you and a remedy for this right away."

Amazon replied, "Send us a list of the ASIN’s you’ve sold a ton of."

And then, "Read the dtp-help page on when people get paid."

And then, "We cannot manually add sales ranking info. Thank you. Please let us know if this resolved your question."

Soon after that, we did get a small wire transfer from Amazon of some of the overdue royalties they owed us. But, naturally, no sales ranks.

Undaunted, however, we opened a second Kindle account and, subsequently, a third one, publishing my titles thereafter under "FSM" with the thought of modifying this later on, once our sales rankings appeared. But, of course, they never did. Interestingly enough, though, other completely unknown authors we published as a test case immediately got — and kept — their Kindle sales rankings, even after only just one sale!

Armed with this odd and intriguing piece of information, we renewed our efforts in the summer of 2008, calling and e-mailing Amazon over and over again for an explanation. Our e-mails were ignored. Telephone calls suddenly terminated. Still, we persisted, even threatening to file a consumer complaint with our state’s Attorney General if need be and posting yet another thread in the publishers’ forum, this time titled, "zero royaltie$/zero rank$".

At last, albeit reluctantly, it was Kindle-Team-Manager-Robert who eventually stepped up to the plate and batted — or battled — for Amazon:

"Thank you for contacting us about your kindle book sale rankings. I apologize that the call got disconnected. The associate who was transferring the call explained that your book sales are still not ranked. I have re-escalated this issue for you. Unfortunately this will require additional research. I apologize for this inconvenience. I have contacted our technical specialists who should be able to provide guidance on the issue…"

"Kindle-Boy" (as we secretly called him) was a pretty slick dude at first and I must admit that, with his ever so earnest tone and sincere-sounding proclamations, he really had us all going there for awhile, at least until the end of July when the "relationship" sadly soured. Here’s Kindle-Boy’s signing off statement:

"Please accept my sincere apologies. After forwarding the issues you presented to me to our developer’s [sic] I have been informed that the issues have been resolved. I do apologize if they have not been resolved successfully and your books are still not being rankled [sic] correctly or your royalty payments are incorrect. Regards, Robert. Please let us know if this resolved your question."

A messy mea culpa, I’d say! Did we chuckle at it?

Yes, a little. But then things got even grimmer:

Keeping in mind now that writers and other creative types can sometimes be tragically conceited and self-fixated, my view of the "big picture" was still clouded by the firm belief that I was, for some reason, being singled out by Amazon. Realize, too, that at no point did they ever fess up to me that they had an anti-queer agenda. Thus, it did not occur to Team Saint Marie to "refine" our routine and random searches of their browse tree until the very last quarter of 2008, at which point we had such an epiphany and began feverishly cross-referencing popular gay and lesbian paperback titles with their alternate Kindle editions, discovering that those, too, had no sales rankings in the Kindle store.

In the first quarter of 2009, we undertook to publicize these startling findings on Amazon, both in the Kindle publishers’ forum and in various customer discussion threads, such as the one in the gay/lesbian forum titled "lesbian fiction on kindle" and the new discussion we attempted to initiate called "kindle’s queer bias." But, to our amazement, aside from a troll wandering in on that latter thread and obfuscating things quite a bit with weird greetings, overwhelming apathy was the only response that we got. And plenty of it.

So we shrugged and walked away, and pondered in silence a different strategy.

In the first week of March 2009, it suddenly all became crystal clear to us. We pulled every single Saint Marie LGBT title from the Kindle store, deleted all gay/lesbian categories and tags from them, republished them as plain, old, ordinary romances, and then sat back to see what would happen. If we were right, if our theory correct, we reasoned, then we should have sales rankings in approximately twenty-four hours…

Twenty-four little hours later, I couldn’t help but whoop with joy. There were sales rankings on all of my titles in the Kindle store, and some were even on the bestselling lists! A week or two later, we began gingerly adding the gay/lesbian categories once again. This time, however, without the search tags — and without consequence.

CONCLUSION: Censorship was clearly built into Amazon-Kindle’s digital-text-platform years ago when it was programmed to constantly crawl itself for new content and trip the automatic censors whenever it found certain keywords that Amazon’s leadership had designated as forbidden.: Publishers and customers need to be aware that those dirty words (like "gay" and "lesbian" as well as "erotic" or "sexuality" or "adult") will still cast you into the great Kindle abyss for all eternity and that missing sales rankings are really only the tip of the censor’s iceberg. Moreover, even though sales rankings appear to have been restored throughout its site again, now that Amazon has also introduced this program code into its paperback listings, it’ll take awhile for them to completely clean up their system.. That is, if they really want to.

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY: This situation has existed in plain view now for more than just one week or even just one year, and I’m sorry to harp on this, but it is apathy that ultimately emboldened Amazon to extend it’s gay and lesbian literary purge to its paperback division last week…

With well over ten million paperback books available on Amazon’s site, (as opposed to only 245,000 Kindle books), the resulting debacle was, however, utterly predictable, at least to anybody who had a little commonsense and one ounce of foresight. But bigots are blind-fellows and ignoramuses (thank goodness) and I’m sure the ones responsible for this virtual book-burning frenzy still can’t believe that some of the world’s bestselling and most respected authors would be affected in the sweep. You can see them huddling now, still looking puzzled and scratching their dopey heads.

Well, ha, ha, ha, Amazon — yes, that’s the last laugh — please let us know if we resolved your question!

Yours truly — Francine Saint Marie

Comments


svissmiss's picture

Kiss off, Amazon!

Wow. I'm glad you uncovered the unscrupulous truth. I emailed Amazon to close my account after I read this. Barnes & Noble/Best Buy here I come.
Francine Saint Marie's picture

Glitching for a fight

Francine Saint Marie:

Good morning, everybody, and thank you all for commenting and caring about this. I'm sorry it took so long to reply, but I had to hunt around for this article because--oops--I'd submitted it in the wrong place! Thank Afterellen's Editor, Sarah, and the site moderator, Harpy, for rescuing it.

 

(Got to go suck down some more coffee now while I process all the information in your posts. I'll be back.)

 

Warm regards--

Francine

 

R_W's picture

LOL A nice cup of hot

LOL

A nice cup of hot coffee is definitely needed to read all the amazing content that they have here.

moony's picture

Like your..

insightful contribution.
Francine Saint Marie's picture

Better Boycott (A proposal)

Francine Saint Marie:

Keeping in mind that Amazon wants us to go away, I propose that we buy only LGBT titles from them, and purchase all our other books, especially the major titles, elsewhere. Tell them we're going to do this and then follow through. That'll get us the results we're after, and in a hurry, I bet!

 

Thank you, Svissmiss, for replying to my article and for caring--

Francine

's picture

Sounds Like Outskirts Press and Amazon Should Be ...

www.myspace.com/lunakiss7.com

the perfect homophobic couple who'll do anything to cast the first stone against LGBTQI people. I wish I could post what Outskirts said to me when I asked if they publish LGBTQI books.  Their response was completely offensive and homophobic and when I call them out for it, I was sent apologetic email.  These businesses need to know that their business can go down quickly b/c of shadiness,biast,bigotry and playing games.  I no longer support Amazon. It's a shame they have to be this way.  Amazon will  get theirs one day.

Thanks for the scoops

LET'S SUPPORT LGBTQI COMMUNITIES BUSINESSES. GIVE HOMPHOBIC ONES A RUN FOR THEIR MONEY.

  This picture is actress Paula Patton, the R&B/Soul RobinThicke's wife. She played in Deja Vu,Idelwild and Rush Hour 3. So it's not me.

moony's picture

Amazon can bite me.

"Well, ha, ha, ha, Amazon—yes, that’s the last laugh—please let us know if we resolved your question!"  Lol... Funny.  After all that, you certainly deserve that laugh, and thank you for giving me one, too.  :)  I don't use Amazon much.  I prefer going to a brick and mortar bookstore, but the next time I decide to buy online, I'll take my business elsewhere. 
Francine Saint Marie's picture

Buy ONLY LGBT books at Amazon and see how much they like that!

Francine Saint Marie:

Remember, Amazon wants us to go elsewhere, that's why they purged our titles. So boycott them for this, yes, but we need to be exact in our revenge. Buy only gay and lesbian titles from Amazon from here on in. Trust me, that'll bring them to their knees in a hurry!

Thank you for posting your comment, Moony.and for having a good laugh with me.

Francine

moony's picture

Based on all your comments here...

I'm getting the impression you want us to not boycott Amazon completely, but instead buy only GLBT titles from them?  ;)  I still prefer a brick and mortar store, but I'll make sure to visit Amazon for my purchase of The Secret Keeping.  How 'bout that?   

Francine Saint Marie's picture

MAKE amazonfail

Francine Saint Marie:

Although I appreciate that, moony, what I'm actually trying to say is: everyone, in protest, should buy only LGBT books from Amazon....ideally, all at the same time.

(Because it's not a "glitch". It's more like a "worm". And, despite the reappearance of sales ranks, Amazon has now fully activated it in their system. As I write, their worm is busy delaying and rigging the sales ranking computations of LGBT books, preventing them from appearing high in search results, obfuscating customer reviews of them, and making similar mischief that it's been programmed by Bezos and his goon-squad to do. It's a censor-worm. I don't know what it's called, so I've nicknamed it "HomoEros" because that's the kind of content it's crawling for. Thus, if everyone buys only LGBT books from Amazon, that worm will get "perplexed" and crash their system.)

 

Have a nice day,

Francine

moony's picture

Ooo.. crash their system...

I do like the thought of that. 
Atro's picture

Wow. I really didn't

Wow. I really didn't realise the extent of the situation. Mind you, I didn't even know what a Kindle was until just last week :$

I feel like just taking my business elsewhere isn't enough though.

Francine Saint Marie's picture

I Agree with you...

Francine Saint Marie

 

Hi, Atro. I agree with you, just taking our business elsewhere ISN'T enough, since it's exactly what Amazon wants us to do. Personally, that's why I refused to admit defeat and just kept battling them. So boycott the buggers: Buy only LGBT books at Amazon and see how much they like that!

Thank you for commenting on my article. Best to you--

Francine

Mallie_kite's picture

Long in coming

This latest debacle just topped of a gradual discomfort I've had with Amazon since the introduction of the Kindle.  They are now, I think, too large and powerful, too unrestrained and unlimited in their ability affect what is available for the public to read.  I do not need anyone to 'protect' me from published materials.  I'm perfectly capable of doing that for myself.

I'd been holding off taking the last step of deleting my account at Amazon in hope they would apologize ( the last statement about being embarrassed was NOT an apology.  It implied broadly that if they hadn't been caught, they'd have gone right on).  At the very least, Amazon is guilty of lousy customer service.

It would be nice if consumers would realize that there are Amazon alternatives, and they can send a message with their money.  I know it's my move.  B&N, local independent stores, and other online resources will have my business and a chance to prove themselves better companies than Amazon.

 

sparklet's picture

Hmmm....

Perhaps they should have thought a bit harder before choosing their name. The Amazon Basin is one of the most diverse places on the planet. By essentially hiding the LGBT titles, Amazon.com is "undiversifying" their wide variety of products. Rather interesting, I think....
AMN's picture

Dammit

First I stopped shopping at Chapters for a variety of reasons; one being that the stores in my area didn't stock queer themed books.  Now Amazon is obviously just as bad, only they were able to hide it longer because they're a mail-order only company.

I guess this means I'll have to stock up on books when I visit my girlfriend in Toronto.  At least they still have independent bookstores.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.  Amazon played it pretty smooth, and I almost believed them.  My boycott officially begins.

"That which you believe becomes your world."

Nico Coer's picture

Alternative online book

Alternative online book dealers (in case you want something before visiting your GF ;) ):

indiebound.org

books.google.com (which links to google market place, B&N, Borders, Books a Million, indiebound, and Amazon for every title. Note: some things that have a price quote for borders have mysteriaously been removed.)

Francine Saint Marie's picture

Boycott, yes, but...

Francine Saint Marie:

Don't boycott us LGBT authors in the process! I propose we buy only LGBT books from Amazon. That'll hurt them more, believe me.

 

Thanks so much for responding, AMN.

 

--Francine

Bett Norris's picture

Alternative

Bett Norris here. As an author, I share the outrage of all GLBT authors regarding amazon's recent fiasco. Built-in prejudice, an added assist to customers who might not bring their own when shopping online for books. It is censorship and it stinks.

 

My own publisher, Bywater Books, as well as every other small press and GLBT publisher, has a web site and you can buy directly from them. You won't get the huge discounts that Amazon offers but you also won't have some corporate monolith making your decisions about what's offensive and what's not. 

Support your local independent bookstores when you can. We need to keep them around. 

If your nearest B & N or other chain store doesn't have GLBT titles in stock, they will order it for you, and they don't charge shipping. 

There are dozens of small presses dedicated to GLBT literature and hundreds of titles out there. This is part of our culture, our heritage, our history, a permanent marker affirming our presence and impact. The dirth of any programming on television, in movies, only means that we must do better in those media, but the publishing world is chock full of GLBT stories and presence. 

If you want to celebrate and share in the world of GLBT books, and support it, there's a conference in New Orleans May 15-17. Go to www.sasfest.org for details, and I'll see you there. There's also a conference in Ft. Lauderdale April 24-25, and another one in August in Orlando. Go to my web site for dates and particulars.

 

www.bettnorris.com

www.bywaterbooks.com

Francine Saint Marie's picture

Outrage? (What outrage, Bett?)

Francine Saint Marie

Not a single LGBT author or publisher expressed any "outrage" at Amazon's censorship of my titles. (Sad but true.)

 

Thanks for commenting, though!

Best regards,

Francine

Francine Saint Marie's picture

So put your money where your mouth is...

says Francine Saint Marie:

Although we're being bombarded with a lot of hyperbole and lip service about "boycotting Amazon", the glaring truth is that not a single LGBT author or press is actually "refusing to do business with Amazon" and "taking business elsewhere" by removing their titles from Amazon's catalogue.

 

#amazonfail

amazonfail

#glitchmyass

Amazon Ranks

glitchmyass

Amazon Fail

Bezos the Clown

MAKE amazonfail

Francine Saint Marie

 

 

LezzyGeek's picture

Canada looking better and better

Wow, I've never been so grateful for Chapters bookstore before :) chapter.indigo.ca is now my only stop for ordering books online. Screw Amazon! Just did a search on the Chapters site for lesbian books- top seller and 24% off ta boot is Ultimate Lesbian Erotica, with 1,437 other books in the list. Yay for Canadian companies!!
Francine Saint Marie's picture

Take me to your leader!

Francine Saint Marie:

 

Lesbian author seeks asylum. Will write for food. ;-)

 

Hey, thank you for posting here, LezzyGeek. I appreciate it.

 

And happy reading--

Francine

Snowjag's picture

Thanks

Thanks for posting this, I had no idea this had been going on for so long. I think it will be a cold day in hell before I utilize Amazon as a provider of anything.
Vivre_en_Paix's picture

Glitch is BS.

If an "adult" policy has been put into place, why are there still categories for pornography, nudes, sexual wellness, safer sex, and erotic photography? Are they not by their very nature "adult". These items are all still ranked, and were completed unaffected by the "glitch".

 

How To Make Love Like A Porn Star - Jenna Jameson

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #4,857 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)

Popular in these categories: (What's this?)

#1 in Books > Nonfiction > Social Sciences > Pornography


100% Realistic Flesh Color Vagina Pussy Male Masturbator - Durable & Light

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #3,193 in Health & Personal Care (See Bestsellers in Health & Personal Care)

Popular in this category: (What's this?)

#79 in Health & Personal Care > Sexual Wellness > Safer Sex


Girls Gone Wild: Horny School Girls - All Girl Sleepover

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #18,004 in Movies & TV (See Bestsellers in Movies & TV)


Playboy: The Complete Centerfolds


Amazon.com Sales Rank: #16,603 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)

Popular in these categories: (What's this?)

#1 in Books > Arts & Photography > Photography > Subjects > Nudes
#4 in Books > Arts & Photography > Photography > Erotic Photography
#19 in Books > Arts & Photography > Photography > Portraits

Francine Saint Marie's picture

Francine Saint

Francine Saint Marie:

 

Ah, Vivre en Paix. You see these publications here that you're citing...well, um, they aren't really dirty, per se, because...well...because they're heterosexual and, uh, you know, uh, making a major cultural contribution and all...

 

 

(That is to say that they're rank enough to rank!)

 

 

;-P

Ibex's picture

yeah. major cultural

yeah. major cultural contributions. *cough*

 

Very enlightening, though. thanks for sharing with us, dude.

John Cowan's picture

"Never attribute to malice

"Never attribute to malice and conspiracy what can be adequately explained by incompetence and stupidity."  The latter two attributes are all over this Amazon behavior.

But, of course, never let the facts get in the way of a good paranoid theory, either.  :-)

Francine Saint Marie's picture

Francine Saint Marie: I

Francine Saint Marie:

I never attribute anything else to "malice" and "conspiracy" but incompetence and stupidity.

 

(Thanks for your comment, John.)

 

:-)

sallyfisher333's picture

this just goes to show you

this just goes to show you how strong the homophobic agenda of corporations are. i'm also sure amazon isn't the only one that behaves in this manner.  Now don’t get me wrong, I’m all for LGBT rights, it’s just that I think their line of thinking is a slippery slope similar to those who have impulsive urges to modify their bodies, and consequently end up ruining them. I’m all for gender reassignment operations if the person genuinely feels that they would feel more in harmony with themselves if they had a sex change, but the issue is of whether they will feel that way in a few years, or even a few months.  When people get tattoos and piercings, sometimes they regret them when they’re older because they no longer have the same mindset that they did, or are simply sick of it.  Unless it’s a necessary operation (implants for breast cancer surgery, etc... we already have seen many cases where elective surgeries lead to an addiction.  I’m just afraid that LGBT people might be going down this same path by being so eager to undergo an operation.  All I’m asking is that they try to do everything in their power to be comfortable and accepting of the way they were made before they decide to go get work done.

 

tom11's picture

even though sales rankings

even though sales rankings appear to have been restored throughout its site again, now that Amazon has also introduced this program code into its paperback listings, it’ll take awhile for them to completely clean up their system.

 

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I had a dream where i thought i was awake, I looked all around my room and everything looked exactly how it looked when i fell asleep... I looked over to my closet and between the clothes was a body, partially decaying. I tried to scream and no noise came out. What does this mean?

 

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