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I HHHATTEE the word "dyke"

  

I know I'm probably being uptight about this, but whatever.

I was talking with a fellow gay girl today and the whole time we were talking she kept using the word DYKE in reference to herself, me...etc.

I don't know why but it was driving me insane. After about 20 minutes I asked her NICELY to stop using that word and she threw a tizzee.

I get it. I do. I hear gay boys use the word F*ggot and black people use the word N*gga Asians use the word chinky....etc. etc. I've heard the logic that its empowering and that it actually lessens the painful connotation....

but I'm just going to call BS.

Too many times I've been called a "fucking dyke" by some real aholes and while I know its not the same when lesbians and gays use it,...I'm just not going to aid in its commonality by using it myself.

Sorry just not. I flinch every time I hear my younger 16 year old brother use the word F*ggot as an insult to his friends and d*ke to girls that he doesn't like. Its bad enough when he uses it. I'm not going to be a hipocrite and say we can use the word but other people can't.

I'm sure a lot of you will disagree with me on this but words aren't always just words and its just how I feel.

 

 

April 3, 2009: I completely regret starting this forum. I resent the fact that I have to defend my opinion but I resent even more the ugliness its brought out in me. Our satire and tone is not always clear online, but my blatantly horrible rudeness was loud and clear. I AM VERY VERY VERY SORRY GRRRLROMEO. Although, I'm not stoked about the way you spoke to me there was definitely a better way for me to have gone about in voicing that. I am better than everything I've said to you in the last 24 hours and I'm ashamed of it. While I love this website and the friends I've made on it, I'm deleting my account tomorrow because that's how pissed at myself I am. You can tell me to take my apology and shove it that's fine. I'm not reading any more comments on here though so I guess I'll never know.

 


summernerd's picture

Yeah

I've also heard people use the word "Jew" in a derogatory way. Jerks at my college would walk around calling non-Jewish people "dirty Jews" when they felt like they were being cheated or treated unfairly (the only conversations I had with these people were about these incidents).

I think it's impossible to use words in their original context. I feel like most people who advocate for the "original meaning" for a word are referring to the context that has the most power. All words have evolved and are evolving everyday. I think this process helps minorities because we can reclaim power over language.

GrrrlRomeo's picture

The difference

The difference would be a "Jewish nose" vs. a "Jew nose"...it makes a difference. Context is the sentence, the way it's used in the sentence, who's saying it and who they're saying it to. You can't separate context from the meaning....or at least usually when you do take something out of context the meaning is lost.
Anonymous's picture

Yeah i've never really liked

Yeah i've never really liked the word to begin with.. but the only time i see a  real problem is when the word is being used maliciously or in a derogatory manor 
ifrit2k5's_hellfire's picture

I dont mind

I'd rather be called a dyke, its just a word and belive me I have been called a lot worse. If you let words get to you then your letting those people get the best of you. take it and embrace it.
honey's picture

I hate the words dyke and

I hate the words dyke and fag...HATE THEM!

As for the term "partner"...I use it whenever I am talking to someone about their significant other whether or not they are gay or straight so not to out anyone or offend! (makes everyone equal...no one feels bad...etc.) 

The Future Belongs to Those Who Believe in The Beauty of Their Dreams. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

Anonymous's picture

Hmmmm

So I completely understand where people are coming from. To be honest, I'm surprised anyone even kinda agrees... 

I know its not nearly OR WOULD EVER BE on the same level as the n-word (HATE THAT WORD TOO!) or anything like that, but my dislike for the word not only comes from the negative experiences I've had with it.

I think I just straight up dislike the sound of it. There's words I like and don't like. Like the word "moist"....hahaha don't like that either.  

But to be serious I'm not trying to downplay the fact that yeah it is/can be a term of endearment and like my friend that's reading this over my shoulder is saying just be happy no one's throwing rocks at you or trying to send you off to "BIBLE" camp lol.....

but me personally....I just don't like it and you'll never hear me use it. It makes me sad that it is so commonly used (again, just my personal opinion) like "dykes on bikes" at pride, etc, etc, etc. Sure, anything can be said in a derogatory manner...but ugghh "dyke" just grinds my fucking gears.  

I guess I just wrote this to vent that NO not all Lesbians like hearing/using the word. Use it if you like, just don't use it with me.

Synonyms....soo. many. better. synonyms.    

GrrrlRomeo's picture

That's how I feel about lesbian

I don't like the way "lesbian" sounds phonetically. Like when people say it like it's something dirty the emphasize the "s" like lezzzbian. Plus it sounds like you're from another country...which is where it originates anyway. I also don't like "lesbianism" because it sounds like something one chooses to practice instead of something one is.

I like dyke and gay because they're short and punchy.

But majority rules or something and I gotta settle for lesbian despite Sappho having actually been bisexual. And I don't think her poetry is that good. LOL

Erin's picture

not really a fan of dyke..

not really a fan of dyke.. id rather use lesbian. and im really not a fan of "partner or significant other" either. its stupid. its a either a girlfriend, boyfriend, wife, husband or whatever.. how come the gay community uses partner or significant other? just sounds stupid to me. call them what they are. just because its the same sex shouldnt make a difference. it just bugs me.
iamnachos's picture

Different strokes

I think with the term partner it really depends on your culture. I know here in Australia it is common as dirt. I'm not even talking about common in the queer comunity but common with everyone. My mum and dad (who are married) have always refered to each other as partner. All my straight friends refer to their GF/BF as their partners. Girlfriend and Boyfriend seems to be considered more juvenile. Something you would refer to someone you are not serious with or maybe a term you would use in high school.
jam's picture

totally a culture thing...

totally a culture thing....because when i refer to my wife as my partner...it makes me feel like we are FBI agents...or cowgirls or something...i prefer to call her my wife.
ridiculous's picture

yeah must be an austrailian

yeah must be an austrailian thing. so do my parents/straight friends. i think it's cool.
XanxiuZ's picture

Stop giving words so much power!

Seriously, as a society, we really need to stop giving words so much power.  I'm not fond of the word 'Dyke' but I know when it's being used as a pejorative and when it's being used as a term of endearment.  The same with the word 'N*****'.  I focus on intent.. what is the intent of the person using one of those words around me or to describe me?  Either way, I'm not going to crumble into a heap if someone yells the word 'Dyke'at me.. or, my personal fave, 'Dyke N*****'.

The truth about words like Dyke, N*****, Fag, or any number of negative descriptors, is that the hostile person yelling that angry epithet at you is counting on you being offended, hurt and/or angered by its use.  Their intent is to hurt you with those words.  Don't let them.  At the very least, don't let them know they hit their target.

If your goal is to rid the world of words like that, you have to stop giving them so much power.

Having said all of the above, here are just a few, of many, words that I do not like the sound of...

  • Cling
  • Moist
  • Schenectady
  • Botulism
  • Chuckle
  • Funion
Mah Twitter - http://twitter.com/Xanxiu
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iamnachos's picture

hahah

Moist I totally agree with. I also have an issue saying the word cake. I hate it haha.
Anonymous's picture

xD

Thanks now I'm completely uncomfortable!!! ...Funion sounds like an ugly Onion
Pony's picture

Hahahaha

I burst out laughing reading your words you don't like, I totally agree they're awful
Terry's picture

I understand where you're

I understand where you're coming from. I also understand that some lesbians think it's okay to use that word within our community. But when we use it, it is easy for others to think that it's not a big deal; regardless of the fact that we don't say it with hate.

I always refer to myself as lesbian, I really prefer that. 

Anonymous's picture

Agree!

Completely agree with you... 
captainlex's picture

Crazy, I hate the word panties

Makes me blush/cringe.
Colette's picture

right!

panties just sounds so perverted! like old molesters would us that word....
freakunleashed's picture

phonetically i choose gay

phonetically i choose gay and dyke over lesbian
GrrrlRomeo's picture

Word Substitutes

We all know there are some words that are socially unacceptable, and sometimes when someone really wants to say that word they'll just use a substitute to avoid getting in trouble...when you know damn well what they meant.

Like when people were calling Obama a "terrorist"...or the crazy lady that said he was an "Arab"...I really think they wanted to use the n-word.

I've also heard people say certain phrases where I felt like they really wanted to say "fag". You can forbid people from saying words, but it really doesn't reduce hate when a person just hates...they'll find another way to say it.

Commie, socialist, redistributionist, fascist => Nazi.

Erika's picture

Ointment

and moist...

on a lighter note

 

OhioLezGirlinNYC

Anonymous's picture

Forgive me

I hate the fact that I give so much credence OR THOUGHT to a word...

but honestly I am heartened to the fact that we can debate and discuss it. While we can't wish away people's MIND BLOWINGLY BAD ignorance at times I liken my views AND FORGIVE ME FOR USING THESE REFERENCES to Tina Fey in Mean Girls when she says

 "we need to stop calling each other sluts and whores, it just makes it easier for guys to call us sluts and whores."

Or even in Forrest Gump when he says "he doesn't like being called crippled anymore than I like being called Stupid."

I guess dyke is that for me.

There are words I feel that empower us as individuals and then words that degrade us. Words like the n-word and dyke I feel in no way show who we are as people.

I know I'm not exactly a saint and that I am guilty of excessive cussing that can be offensive I'm sure, but I would never call anybody by such words. I am gay and I am proud of it.

But I prefer to look past a label and would hope people would do the same for me.

Libby. Just plain ol' Libby.

GrrrlRomeo's picture

Maybe doesn't show who you are

I don't know what dyke means to you. And it's okay if you don't want to call yourself dyke. But you know...some people would prefer to identify as dyke because it does describe who they are more than lesbian does.

My sexual orientation, gender expression, gender identity along with all the rest is integral to who I am. To look past those things would be to look past me.

Anonymous's picture

don't misunderstand me

alrighttt....i get it. i respect it. and yeah...i even understand it.

I never sought out to create a dyke word free world or anything.

you identify with the word. you love the word dyke. you'd love to be called that all day long. COOL. but its not going to be done by me.

I HATE THE WORD. its pretty simple. you don't like the word lesbian. that's great too. if we ever met, just remind me. as long as we can vocalize and share our thoughts on things in a civilized manner then things are all good.

I will never like the word and I will never use it. To me, its a garbage word. It's just how I view things and its pretty much all I wanted to share.

 

SHACK is a really sweet word though.

GrrrlRomeo's picture

You call this respect?

Civilized, huh? Okay.

I'm not looking to create a lesbian word free world either.

You want to call yourself lesbian? Fine. I just won't ever call you that. (This is mature, isn't it? ha!)

I HATE THE WORD LESBIAN. It's fluffy and non-threatening. It conjurs up images of a poet who plays around with girls sometimes. I think Sappho kinda sucks. Her poetry is all fluffy crap....sappy, sapphic crap. I will never like the word [lesbian] and I will never use it.

I hope one day it will be demoted and "gay" will be used as the general term for both men and women.

But because I actually do understand the concept of respect:

If you want to be called a lesbian, I'll respect your wishes and call you a lesbian. I won't call the term "lesbian" garbage even if I think it's a fairly lame word. I tolerate it in the name of civility. I won't feel hostile towards it, just indifferent. 

Anonymous's picture

calm down.

your frickin flying off the handle and i don't understand why.

i never once attacked you and don't come at me like i did.

i've been pretty clear and straight forward with my views and so have you.

your losing your shit and its stupid. you don't like the word lesbian. that's tight. i don't like it that much either. i'm not walking around calling myself anything anyways except libby.

labels suck. ok you're gay. so am i. what the fuck ever. i've read everything you've said and agree with a lot of it. doesn't change the fact that i hate the word. get over it.

 

GrrrlRomeo's picture

You calm down.

LOL I am calm. I don't know where you get the idea that I'm not. Maybe it's the bolding and all caps that I just copy from you. I'm sorry you didn't get my little satire...it could've been clearer.

From Here to Here:

Quote:
I'm not looking to create a lesbian word free world either.

You want to call yourself lesbian? Fine. I just won't ever call you that. (This is mature, isn't it? ha!)

I HATE THE WORD LESBIAN. It's fluffy and non-threatening. It conjurs up images of a poet who plays around with girls sometimes. I think Sappho kinda sucks. Her poetry is all fluffy crap....sappy, sapphic crap. I will never like the word [lesbian] and I will never use it.

I hope one day it will be demoted and "gay" will be used as the general term for both men and women.

I was just talking the way you talk...and hoping you might see how over the top you sound. I mean...some of it I literally copy and pasted from your own post.

You're very ironic.

That's a nice way of saying hypocritical.

If someone identifies with a label...it's actually not cool to keep saying how much you hate it...in all caps...and bolded...and calling it garbage. That's not respect.

"I HHHATE" nothing respectful is going to come after that.

I don't actually hate the worl "lesbian"...I was just talking about it the way you were talking about "dyke". Get it?

Besides...Michelle was just a name given to me by my parents before they knew anything about me. It says nothing of who I am. Millions of people have gone by that name that I have nothing in common with.

But gay, dyke, queer...those words actually describe something about who I am. They don't suck. They describe me.

brackishtea's picture

*dies*

LMAO...that was funny, really funny.

I do that to a lot with people and the irony seems to fail them, like epic fail and get what you have gotten above.

Keep on the good work GrrlRomeo!

I feel indifferent with a lot of words because I don't care. If you called me a dyke about a year ago, I would think you were making fun of my weight, lol. Now that I know what it means well, bring it on! I don't call myself but I do call others when I see it. I do in the means where like you (GrrlRomeo) explained the definition, and dammit it fits! I think being a masculine identified woman or what have you is hot so I would say, "look at that sexy dyyyyyyyke, hellllllllo!" So the inflections I would say of the word dyke should not offend.

I'm still laughing lmao! CALM DOOOOWN, no you calm down don't you see the irony?

Silence.

Lmao!

 

Zbornak's picture

?

Why are you clowing this girl Brackishtea? She said her opinion, no need for you to belittle her. Now I can see why I almost closed my account, a different opinon either gets bitched at or laughed at.....
brackishtea's picture

It finally happend....(kinda)

 

I'm sorry but my comments was not meant to belittle the poster. I just found the whole thing really funny but I guess I once again my brand of humor offended the sensibilties of some posters. I try not to clown other members for their opinions just try to respectfully disagree or concur with my supplemental opinion.

But please don't close down your account and try not to take the opinions of others on this site too personally. I too felt annoyed with posts but realized that this is the net, all kinda of stuff is typed.

Anonymous's picture

I'm sorry.

Genuinely I'm sorry.

Apparently my lame attempt at writing is stupid. I'm sorry the way my writing comes off hipocritical and junk.

I'm sorry i didn't hear the apparent satire in your message....what an asshole am i.

i'm sorry if you hate the fact that i hate a label. even though i've been pretty clear that i say "in my opinion..." to everything.

maybe its the internet and the tone of what i'm trying to convey is not clear.....

i was trying to say that i understand people wanting to use a word but saying how "over the top" i am because I frickin dislike a word that I find demeaning and degrading. whatever.

ok i'm uptight. the word is awesome and describes you........gotchas. you like it i dont. your right and i'm the jackass.

itsssss soooo clear.

 

Zbornak's picture

Why Are You Sorry?

You shouldn't have to say you're sorry just for having a different opinion against popular opinion. Don't call yourself an asshole, don't let others belittle you. I'm not too fond of the word either but hey, if some want to call themselves dykes, more power to them, but again, you don't have to be sorry.

"There's a difference between sarcastic and plain ol' bitchy"

Anonymous's picture

NEVERMIND.

You're right. Now that I've thought about it, I'm NOT sorry. Not even a little bit.

I'm a person. I'm entitled to my opinion.  

GrrlRomeo I've been pretty damned respectful....reading and trying to see where you're coming from. What with all your RAMBLINGS on pink triangles and sapphic poets and what not.

OK.

Never ONCE did I respond with anything rude or disrespectful. But when I finally said something to get you to understand that I will never like the word DYKE you respond with posts not only mocking the way I write but feigning shock at the fact that I was upset.

Quoting me and telling me I'm over the top and getting mad that I called a word garbage is ridiculous.

"You're very ironic.

That's a nice way of saying hypocritical.

If someone identifies with a label...it's actually not cool to keep saying how much you hate it...in all caps...and bolded...and calling it garbage. That's not respect."

With that kind of logic, that's like getting mad at me for not liking and using the word BITCH just because YOU happen to identify and be one. Whoops.

.....sooo stupid. Go kick puppies and be annoying to someone else. I'm done talking to you.

 

 

GrrrlRomeo's picture

Well, that was entertaining

I'm a bitch? Awesome. LOL I'm sorry my ramblings on gay history bother you. But not really.

Of course bitch and dyke are not comparable terms. I just think you're not informed, and what more you don't even want to be informed. You just want to go with your gut reaction on things. And that's fine...but you know...you get what you give. You're in a glass house throwing stones, the pot calling the kettle black.

You're entitled to your opinion but you know, so are other people. You're entitled to be upset, but so are other people.

Quote:
I've heard the logic that its empowering and that it actually lessens the painful connotation....

but I'm just going to call BS.

Other people's opinion is BS...but yours isn't. Okay.

 

ridiculous's picture

hey grrlRomeo, you're funny

hey grrlRomeo, you're funny and clever and articulate and have totally taken her opinions and qualms about the word into consideration and tried to educate her a little on how others might have different relationships with the word. i wish she would read your posts properly. i used to find dyke a scary word and still don't feel aesthetically i embody what it means. i used to resist labels and prefer to call myself 'a sophia'. but labels are ok. dyke is a perfectly good word (for those comfortable with it of course) and dykes are beautiful and wonderful. and not liking labels is ok too. i worrry about it as i found my own resistance to labels was a resistance to fully accepting who i am. not that i'm more gay or a better gay cause i've stopped this "love is love it doesn't matter what gender" or "i'm not gay i'm sophia stuff"... just that i was definately less comfortable when i needed to say those things. i'm still sophia. now i just don't give a shit how anyone chooses to describe my sexuality. so i worry that people who fear labels are as scared as i was but might not be the case. words can be tricky and loaded and i can appreciate regecting them and rejecting descriptions. or precriptions rather. words should be more descriptive and less prescriptive. and we should all appreciate each others journeys and relationships with words and i think you're doing that and livelively needs to try to too... anyway i'm a fan. you made me laugh.
Zbornak's picture

Um...

Hon, when I said there's nothing wrong with your opinion, I mean but also be respectful of a difference of someone's opinion. I know some people on here are very snooty and clique-ish(not to say anyone on this post is...but) but lets not call someone out their name.

"There's a difference between sarcastic and plain ol' bitchy"

brackishtea's picture

Don't you just love online

Don't you just love online community forums?

This is what I was laughing at, the supposed reaction of the poster, not so much her. We all do silly things and take things out of context, I found that funny, I found it ironic.

So yea for world peace!

Anonymous's picture

I hate that people use any word as a put down

against anyone else! I don't care what word they use, nobody should be put in that position by another person... I do know my ancestors were Quakers and both the white and black members of my family were part of the "underground railroad" in SE PA. And both my mother's and my father's families have native american ancestors. We need more people trying to correct all of the injustices and a lot less people spreading the hate! The more I find out about my ancestors, the prouder of them I become!
Anonymous's picture

Great post Lynn

And I'm sure your ancestors would be proud of you too.
maddostripes's picture

I can

I can defiantly see where you are coming from. I'm not out and when my freinds bitch about "dykes" and "faggots"it really shits me off. I tend to go off at them when they do and then call me a dyke however I don't have a problem when lesbians use the word as long as its not over used.
Jess's picture

If I didn't have this word...

I'd feel at a total loss. I respect people's self identification and preferences, but this word is a key identity label for myself - so I'd hope that if I used it to refer to myself in conversation, other people could respect that, too.

For me, dyke is a word that refers to a community of female bodied people, but that is more gender inclusive than 'lesbian'. I would never identify as a lesbian - I've always heard it defined as a woman who prefers women. As a genderqueer identified individual, I strongly connect with identifying as "queer" (another reclaimed term) and "dyke". It is important for me to be able to identify as a genderqueer dyke - or a female bodied, non-woman-identified person who prefers other female bodied people, regardles of gender ID. Dyke, because it has been reclaimed, is a term that seems more flexible, more open to self definition.

When words are weilded against us, to hurt us, as a community sometimes the only option is to stop taking offence. To, rather, begin to celebrate and redefine those words. Celebrating the word 'dyke', and using it to describe myself in a joyful and proud way has taken power away from those who would use it to hurt me. What hurts, when someone hurls this word at me, is the intent in their voice - their will for verbal violence. I shake my head, and continue, but I make it as clear as I can that that word cannot hurt me anymore. It's mine.

Which is why when I read the original post, and saw that she asked her friend not to use the word 'dyke' anymore, I was extremely taken aback. It is fair to not feel comfortable identifying with a term, but it might be extremely empowering for your friend to use that word in describing herself. It might be her central identity label. Surely you can respect the personal reclamation of that word, even if you don't want the word itself used to describe you?

 

emileezer's picture

I think if someone

I think if someone identifies as "dyke" then, by all means, use that in reference to them.  If someone is taken aback/hurt/dislikes the word, don't use it.  Same with lesbian.  I prefer "lesbian", I don't feel "queer" but I have many friends that feel like "queer" describes them, and not lesbian.  I think the intent behind the usage is the most important...

as far as partner goes, I call my GF "my better half" when talking about her in conversation.  We have a domestic partnership, and I refuse to use the word "wife" until it is legal for me to get married.  Maybe that's silly, but to me it's like pointing out "Here I go to my SEPERATE legal arrangement".  She says partner, it just rolls off her tongue, and sometimes she calls me her wife, and I tell her not to because we aren't married, and the point is that we can't be married here in CA, so why pretend we are when they won't let us..... (well, that's a rant for another day) When I talk to people about our relationship, they get the entire "separate but not equal so I have to use five syllables to describe her, instead of one and you are going to have to sit through my uncomfortable use of the term until something changes" lecture.

generally, I like the word dyke.  But I like dykes.  i don't like the word "nipple".  i can barely type it....

D0nna's picture

I don't mind

the word dyke.  I don't refer to myself as one though, I prefer lesbian coz I like the way it rolls off the tongue.. I love the word nipple aswell, it makes me smile :)
31ruecambon_'s picture

I

Don't mind the word dyke either. I would only use it jokingly to describe myself, for that I prefer to use the word gay. However, I have been called the word dyke in an insulting sense before and it upset me.

 A word that I completely hate so much I can't even say it is "snog" even thinking about that word makes me cringe haha

D0nna's picture

Haha

Snog is a horrible cringey word..  I don't think i've ever said it & I never ever ever plan to :)

Psynomi's picture

Everyone can choose for themselves

I don't really have a problem with any word... they all sound wrong to me, because the whole discussion seems wrong to me.

I identify as a person who likes women and whatever word you want to stick to that description is fine with me, I won't use them.

The only one I use myself is gay, that just makes it sound all happy. And I'm a happy person, so that all ads up :)

eve_jig_it's picture

I don't like

I don't like using the 'word' dyke personally myself... but only because I have no gay female friends, and so the only time I hear the word being said is through my straight friends. And most notably its my male friends who get alot of amusement out of the word and the way it sounds... (so my eyes are always rolling during these convo moments).

Inhibition's picture

dykes

I myself use the offending term as a way to galvanize myself against disapproval. It sounds so final, so last-word (like a real dyke made out of dirt and stones.)

I like the definition I've heard: "a dyke is a lesbian with attitude." Also, I must say, I've been inundated to its use by the spectanfabulistic comic strip "Dykes to Watch Out For" by Alison Bechdel. It's probably fair to say that if one thing "converted me" it was that.

It's like Amy Ray (allegedly) said about being gay instead of lesbian: it has one syllable, which makes sense in a strange way.

  

GrrrlRomeo's picture

God I Love This

I just noticed the OP edited her original post to read:

Quote:
EDIT: *****GrrlRomeo LOVES the word Dyke. Apparently that NEGATES any other opinion stating otherwise.*******

When the original post before edit contains:

Quote:
I've heard the logic that its empowering and that it actually lessens the painful connotation....

but I'm just going to call BS.

So poetic.