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Too Girly To Be Gay?

Is there such thing as being too girly to be gay? I'm a confident and attractive girl but I seem to be having a hell of a lot of trouble meeting women. It's not that I'm not putting myself out there; I participate in Pride events, hit the gay bars with a diverse mix of friends, approach women, etc. The problem is that no one believes I'm gay! When ever the topic of sexuality comes up and I mention my orientation I'm met with shock and awe from both straight AND gay people. It's like "But I totally just saw you reading Vogue... you can't really be a lez!"

Does the ability to walk in Christian Louboutin stilettos and wield a mascara wand like a sexy samurai equal a lack of credibility in the gay community? I don't want to change who I am just to meet someone but other than screaming it from the rooftop is swapping manicures for tank tops the only way to make myself known as a lover of ladies? 

Are there any other girly girls out there that have found it difficult to meet women/be taken seriously? Anyone out there who has adopted a girly girl and made her their own? Suggestions? Comments?  

I'm starting to loose my self-confidence and I feel really a bit lonely here, surrounded by my tubes of lip gloss. 

 

 


brackishtea's picture

I hardly well never get

I hardly well never get approached by women and I am seen as super Fem (with a bold F). I think it mostly what I tend to project then what I look like. Some of the women I had to approach to get "some action" said I was "intimidating" and "looked straight" "not in the mood for a pillow queen" and GASP *bi-curious* (how does one "look bi-curious???).

Anyway, I realized a long time ago that I had to get out of my safe zone and get over my fear of rejection. I might be suffering from an inflated ego to curb the *ouch* of a rejection, but I still somewhat tolerable!

lezbean's picture

Dont change!!

Honestly, the only 'gay' thing about me is my hair. Other than that I wear make up. I can run in stilettos, I went to fashion school and now work in the industry.

 I woiuld never give up who I am and I dont think you should change a thing about your beautiful self!!

I think it's all about frame of mind. Everyone tells me they just 'know' I'm gay by the vibe I give off. TRy getting your 'vibes' to seem gay

 

Anonymous's picture

Remain Femme !!

I accidentally found this thread- I thought I'd share my experience with this universal problem-

Firstly it unimaginably tough and alot of times lonely being a "femme lesbian"- but you know you cant stop being who you are-!!

For me being butch isnt an option- and I agree with everyone's views on here- its the age old problem- but you have to remain true to your convictions. 

I for one, have had loads of hassle- I was refused entry in to G.A.Y in London with my femme gf because they said we weren't gay- OMG WTF!! (Not to mention I had to endure a group of gay guys infront of us in the que all having a very dramatic debate on whether we were infact gay- and how looking like we do- we couldnt possibly be-) so to then not get through the door was truely annoying.

There is a gross sterotype everywhere about Lesbians and Im hoping shows like the L Word will help revolutionise all that- we need to start evolving- we need more girls to embrace being femme- to turn up the heat- balance out the butch dykes. Every birthday when I blow out my candles it is my repeated wish that I find a club/Country/hangout full of hot femme girls where I can be in my element-lol) I mean god if I was butch dyke I could change GF's like clothes- there's so many of them- 

The most abuse I normally get is from actually butch dykes- they are frankly rude- and have the cheek to say Im not  gay and why am I in their bars etc- 

What's deeply ironic about this for me- is here I am in a gay bar for gay women looking like a women and I have some boy looking dyke telling me I shouldnt be here- when they say this to me- I smile and tell them in no uncertain terms the irony as I see it- I say, 

"I look like a girl and I date girls who look like girls that makes me a lesbian and qualifies me to be in this bar- whereas you look like a boy and date other boy looking girls - so really that makes you basically a gay guy- so I suggest infact it is actually you who is the wrong club- so please step off" Almost always that confounds them and they go away-  

Its brutal being a femme no doubt- but when you do hook up with a hot gay girl well it makes it all worth it- (although I find the femme girl circles ridiculously incesteous due I suppose to the lack of choice) 

All I want to say is Yes, we are a small breed of women- but you know we are the "true Lesbians" and there is nothing sexier than that- Men fantasise about us, gay guys are jealous of us and butch dykes are confused by us - We get to be hot and sexy and date other hot beautiful chicks- and there is nothing sexier than that-

I cant understand why every gay women doesnt want to be a femme girl- I think in all honesty you do need to be very confident to be one- and I know lots of girls can be really quiet and not really confortable with being ultra feminine so perhaps thats why they choose the easier option of butching up- and joining the masses. 

There are hots femmes if you look about- dont loose hope! I will admit though they're in short supply. Ive been told that Barcelona is where they all are- how true that is is anyones guess.

P.S If anyone does know the answer to my birthday wish please pm me. 

 

Christa  O'malley's picture

I hate stereotypes

What is too girly I like playing in the dirt.
Christa  O'malley's picture

I hate stereotypes

What is too girly I like playing in the dirt.
Kris's picture

rainbows just don't go with my outfit

So there is another lesbian out there that knows what a "Christian Louboutin" is!! I feel your pain on meeting people...no one ever believes me either despite being so far out of the closet I wouldn't be able to find one again if I tried. I've been given the advice to wear something rainbow or whatever but most of the time it just doesn't go with my outfit. I try to use eye contact to convey my message (I'M GAY!) but I guess I overestimated my telepathic capabilities. I love being femme and don't ever plan on changing. Maybe we can have some gaydar workshops or something internationally so it will eventually get to the point where everyone will be able to tell even if you don't "look" gay (whatever that means).
bikimi's picture

Don't ever change, you, being Femme!!!

Nature is a language, can't you read?

One day there'll be a girl that can read, i'm sure!

Jordyn's picture

Which planet are We?

Anybody can be gay..whats the big deal if someone say hey you cant be gay, you wear heels,fancy handbag, cherry lipstick and nice long hair???...if a mom with 10 kids with her previous husband can be gay why not us?girly girl can be gay whatever they want to be...am a femme too...guys loves me alot but always turned em down..hell...they dun believe it thats they problem...we live in the same planet...we have our own right...dun worrry ur not the only one.....if you saw someone with another tubes of lipstick, you never know if shes gay...but you have the chance to ask if they are...straight girls are always queer about themselves...trust me...they are loadsa girls are girly out there...

soph's picture

I used to struggle alot with

I used to struggle alot with it. i tried dressing down and i just couldn't. I think i kind of went into reverse in away when i was young and early high school i was a big tomboy. Then when i realised i was gay I instantly started caring about about my appearence and started reading vogue and getting into fashion. The more I came out to the more femme i got. I live in a small town and I didnt really fit into the scene i still get alot even from my friends, who don't belive me. I went to sydney recently but and there are alot of femmes it gave me hope . I think the important thing for me anyway is not changing who i am. Its lonley i know how you feel us femmes have got to stick together but .
wonderwoman's picture

hell no!

Don't you dare to change a bit! I'm also girly (at least i look hot) but here in vienna (austria) it's really hard to even find a hot lez!

My friends and i are "on the search for a hot lesbian" because every lez we see is this tomboy baggytrouses tanktops short hair type of girl..... We came to the conclusion that there are no hot lesbians out ther in austria because we couldn't find a single one!

So here i am with my boots-addiction wearing already a rainbowbelt! and no sexy lesbo comes up to me and nobody realises i am in fact a homo!

I'm about to throw away my boots my makeup und my belt and change all of this into a short haircut a white tanktop und baggys and maybe a leatherbracelet . Maybe then i'd have a chance to get a girlfriend... The hell am i doing! I am what i am, as a great woman once said ;)

So don't you dare to change a bit because we need more of the girly girls to overcome this cliches!

fruitispice's picture

I hear ya!

It is most definitely impossible to be too girly to be gay.  In fact, I totally understand where you're coming from.  I'm girly, like wearing reasonably fashionable clothing, wear some form of makeup nearly everyday, have a weakness for hot shoes (especially boots!), have long hair, and carry a handbag with me most of the time.  I don't seem to set off any gaydars (not that mine is very good either, especially since I'm primarily interested in more feminine women), and feel generally invisible the lesbian community.  The funny thing is that my close friends (most of whom are straight) are less girly than I am, and yet I am the token lesbian in our group.  Go figure.  In addition to this, I attend a women's college where most of the lesbians/queer women fall into the more obviously queer category (i.e. more stereotypically gay), which makes it less likely that any of them will actually realize that I'm just as gay as they are, and makes it difficult for me to find women to date.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you're not the only one out there in this situation by any means, and that you have to hold true to who you are!  Becoming more stereotypically lesbian isn't going to help any of us feminine types...I suppose one thing we as a group can do is make the effort to come out to people as who we are, and to shatter the heteronormative stereotypes about lesbians.  Stay strong!    

fruitispice's picture

I hear ya!

whoops, double post*

Fizz's picture

Perhaps After-Ellen should

Perhaps After-Ellen should issue some sort of 'lesbian license' so one will never be scorned by bars or butches again :) The license test can consist of trivia from the L Word, South of Nowhere and Brunch with Bridget hehe.
Fizz's picture

Perhaps After-Ellen should

*Double post.
faith_venice's picture

don't change

it is their problem not yours. my ex has all the issues of vogue and does not go out if she does not wear high heels (she has a room full of those).
Melodia's picture

problem...

I totally feel you girly girls. I have the same problem! Whenever I go to gay bars I get hit on by straight guys who come there probably because they know that  many gays bring their straight female friends with them and they think they can find someone... even when I tell them that I'm not interested they don't believe me and they are sure that they can still convert me, as a result, no girl talk to me (first because I look girly and second because I spend the night trying to get rid of straight guys...). Even gay guys hit on me more than girls... I really feel like it's gonna be impossible to meet someone unless I get one of those tatoos "GAY" on my face!!!! I also don't want to change the way I dress and everything because I know  I would feel uncomfortable. I really have to find a solution... 

sundancer's picture

lipstick lesbians

there's nothing wrong with them, i absolutely love them! keep your love of fashion up, if that's what you love doing. :D don't worry about stereotypes... theyre just misguided notions.

being a lesbian doesnt mean you have to dress a certain way. i mean, no one gave us a uniform or rules of what we should be wearing. the only true definition of what a lesbian is is a female whose sexual orientation is geared towards other females. :)

Brianna's picture

I have the exact same

I have the exact same problem...

stupid stereotypes >_< 

Az's picture

Im sorry, but this did just

Im sorry, but this did just make me chuckle abit, i know, bad of me, but the "extreme obediance to steretypes" has always been one of the human quirks that's made me "huh? hehe!"

 

Be, always always always be true to yourself, even when it hurts, because one of the worse things is turning round at 3pm on a tuesday afternoon catching a look at your reflection in a store window and thinking "oh..my (ewwwww) god, who the hell is that?!?" and then realising its "you".

apparently alot of AE'ers like tha Femme *s*, so there should be some somewhere in your area who are the same, frustrating and sometimes hurtful as it is to be denied -merely- because one doesnt fit the stereotype... any minute of the week, give me someone who looks at -me-, who just accepts what i say of myself, someone who is prepared to bin thier own preconceptions.. because i bet, the ones that -cant- do that, cant just go "ok then *makes mental note then smiles* [continue conversation]" in the end are potentially so stuck in thier own ideal's, they'll never open thier heads long enough to truely listen to or share with you in yours. (and that is part of a successful freindship/relationship).

 

May a gorgeous Femme fancier randomly cross your path soon!

(Melodia, -definately- go for the braclet/bicep braclet in rainbow that might help, as for the "I'll convert you" guys (how nausiatingly Egotisitical is that?), try "Ahh, so your suggesting im not mature enough to know myself? that's insulting, get lost".)

 

Sweet water, Light laughter.

Az

 

~What do you do when your shatterd, when the tales you have to tell are normally reserved for those who have travserd this world for thrice your span? All I have found as an answer is "Share"~

doni08's picture

God I hope not!

I love girly girls. If I see a girl who looks straight and she says she is gay, i'm taking her word for it. In my book there isn't enough "girly" lesbians. If all lesbians were butch I would become celibate.
mistar's picture

Ahhhh where do you all girly

Ahhhh where do you all girly girls live?? Because I'm coming to find you!! Or someone better come to London and find me! ;)
elite_zimmy's picture

i've had a lot

of the same issues, so you're not the only one.  this is just one of those situations where you're just going to have to keep meeting people and keep putting your self out there.  eventually, even those that were gay who didnt believe you were gay will hush up once they see you on the scene enough times.  there are quite a few lipsitck lezbos/femmes out there like ME!!!!! (hehe)  please do not lose your self confidence.  i bet thats probably one of your many positive traits.  

 

-->just believe in yourself, keep talking to people, and not only will miss right will approach, but you'll also get those non-believers to shut up.  there are plenty of girls like us.  trust me ;o)

elite_zimmy's picture

i've had a lot

of the same issues, so you're not the only one.  this is just one of those situations where you're just going to have to keep meeting people and keep putting your self out there.  eventually, even those that were gay who didnt believe you were gay will hush up once they see you on the scene enough times.  there are quite a few lipsitck lezbos/femmes out there like ME!!!!! (hehe)  please do not lose your self confidence.  i bet thats probably one of your many positive traits.  

 

-->just believe in yourself, keep talking to people, and not only will miss right will approach, but you'll also get those non-believers to shut up.  there are plenty of girls like us.  trust me ;o)

0utofTune66's picture

Please don't change who you are

you definitely shouldn't change who you are, i personally love lesbians who are girly girls and sometimes it doesnt seem like there are enough. Its hard because of the many lesbian steriotypes, we really need to change that.
Wondergirrl's picture

I agree!

Too girly to be a lesbian? How does a lesbian look like? Is there a specific look? Do we only call women with mullets and chains lesbians? No! By definition a lesbian is a woman who is only attracted to women emotionally and sexually.There is no physical descriptions for lesbians. If you fit that definition then you don't need to do anything further to "prove" that you're a lesbian. The reason other lesbians discriminate against you is because they are insecure,sometimes their insecurity is justified;most of them in some point in their lives were left for a man by their confused straight girlfriends.Now most straight women look really feminine and when they see you they automatically put you in the straight category. Femme lesbians are a rare breed so they don't want to take that risk of getting hurt so don't ever change the way you look just to be approved by them.They need to see/know more femme lesbians to build trust with them.The more they interact with femme lesbians the less they'll trust them. I'm not too girly girly myself but I love femme lesbians,I think that's how women should look like. We need more people like you in the community.

 

 

"I believe that I will be with one person for the rest of my life, but that person will be a woman." Luce-Imagine Me&You

cuisine's picture

the ppl u met stereotype

the ppl u met stereotype gays. don't change the way u look becuz of that. after getting know u, they'll understand better.
MaryJ's picture

I never...

I never get hit on by women!  Just guys, unfortunately :(
Kiseki's picture

me too!

MaryJ wrote:
I never get hit on by women!  Just guys, unfortunately :(
Straight guys love me. My parents say it's really a waste. Haha!
bikimi's picture

NATURE IS A LANGUAGE CAN'T YOU READ?

-)

bikimi's picture

NATURE IS A LANGUAGE CAN'T YOU READ?

-)

fee's picture

Intimidation, probably

I must admit I'm sometimes intimidated by girly girls. Which is probably just the result of complete bias on my part, because in my experience, the biggest gossips (think: Mean Girls) are the girly girls. I should really get over that =P.

Like others have said: don't change a thing! Authencity is always best.
 
"Bad juju? Is that a voodoo-thing?"
"Close...but with a 'j'." 
- Malinda Lo & Sarah Pecora, 'the Lo-down'
thursday's picture

So glad you're all out

So glad you're all out there...there's hope for me yet. I think I probably come across a lot of you (well in hoping, i'll tell myself i do) but have trouble identifying those who are gay. it's easy to spot the butch so that's probably why we feel there's no one else out there like us. I have long hair, wear heels, dresses, wahetever so i'm probably not doing myself any favours, but that's how i am so i can't really change it, and also don't want to change it. but here's the biggy: i'm into girly girls.  now that's two needles trying to find eachother in the haystack. or maybe i should say two bits of straw tyring to find eachother in the haystack, considering we blend in with the rest of those straight girls!
aston44's picture

wow,,,

Never thought that being so beautiful and "girly" would come up as a problem. LOl,I guess thats a good thing and a bad thing at the same time. The only thing bad about it like u mentioned is that girls won't think that ur gay or that ur into girls lol. Im personally intimidated a bit when there's a girl that I think is absolutely beautiful, first thing that comes to mind is "Yeah she's absolutely beautiful, but I'm pretty sure she's straight" so that in itself stops me from talking to some girls. Sounds lame i know, but I think that u shouldn't change at all, stay beautiful, "girly" and all that good stuff. Strut the Christian Louboutin stilettos, the Blahniks, the Louis purses and the Hermes. I personally think beautiful girls are intimidating, but it's exciting u know? and I definitely love how sexy and amazing girls look when they dress up and all. 

"I don't need anyone to take advantage of my weaknesses or my strengths, I need someone who will appreciate me for everything that I am."

*Peace, Love & Basketball*

.★.Matt The Rock$tar.★.'s picture

Just talking about this

But the not girly but "Too pretty to be gay"

So it is like are only ugly people supposed to be gay because I know some of the finest people who are LGBT classified lol. I mean Hello what if I said you were too pretty to be hetero what would happen then. I mean are weiners have magical powers that can turn out all the hott chicks. I think not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR9uKoeY81k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srou-zcJtnE I found this hillarious

"Mama, Ain't this your home? No, chile home is where you are loved."

Haley's 'Queen'

kim's picture

i guess to reiterate what

i guess to reiterate what everyone else is saying, dont worry about those people who don't believe you. apparently, they don't know a good thing when they see it. i'm attracted to femmes, but i cant tell if they're gay or not. i know it's more work for femmes to make it known that they're gay, but the more noise you make about being gay and femme, the more attention you'll get and hopefully the stereotype about lesbians only being butch will not be so strong. and hopefully in the future, it wont be so hard for femmes.