Former lesbians or "Hasbians"What do others think about women who came out as lesbians, but later on they fell in love with men & declared themselves to be straight, famous examples include Anne Heche & British Actresses Jackie Clune & Joy Brook.
Either their sexual orientation has changed overtime, or more likely all along they have been bisexual & are now largely suppressing their gay side in order to fit into a society that is still fairly homophobic, there's also the possibility that these aformentiened women & other women have been brain washed by homophobes, including religious zealots.
My point is though that we shouldn't disown women that appear to have gone from being gay to being straight, if they went the other way, straight people would be fairly accepting of individual close friends & family.
My only problem would be if these women who "turn straight", were now anti-gay, this would be pathetic, not to mentien hypocritical & ironic!
Submitted by lesbianfeet (12 posts) on October 9, 2008 - 12:50pm. |
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I guess from my point of view I can't determine for another person what their orientation is for them. If they declare themselves to be not gay, then gay, then not gay.....I have no control over that nor can/should I attempt to judge what they are going through inside. I have no right to determine if someone is supressing something unless they open up and tell me that they believe that they are supressing something. So fundamentally I will take each person's situation as it is and view their altering sexuality however they want me to view it, and I will respect it in the same way I would want them to view my own.
As for any person that engaged in homosexual activity and then declared themselves "not gay" and suddenly became very "anti-gay" in their actions, I would indeed be very curious as to the cause of the dramatic change. Did they get involved in some religious affiliation that is driving the vocal stance and if so I would likely not view it as hypocriitical so much as this person has made a significant choice in their life to make a big change. I would probably not be around them, but I would not think of them as hypocritical. The hypocrits in my book are the ones that are spouting off the anti-gay stuff and yet still engaging in the homosexual behavior behind the scenes (i.e. Rev. Haggard)
Just my 2 cents
Who?
Rev. Haggard is an antigay
a fucked up excuse for real therapytreatment to cure hisnot sosinful ways and cure himself of homosexual urges. Miracle of miracles--- he claims it worked after one or two sessions while his wife stood by him.... And so the cycle begins
Re. Rev. Haggard
Madonna vs. the Rev. Haggards of the world
So the folks that I have major heartburn with are indeed the types like Rev. Haggard. Yes Rev. Haggard was the leader of a HUGE church with more than 25,000 members and received millions from people nationwide and he preached major anti-gay messages the whole time he had a secret gay lover on the side and was also using church money to buy meth. He was married and had 2 children. After he went to his little fake treatment and came back to his fancy house in Colorado he has never ever appologized or come out and said that he was wrong or changed is opinion about homosexuality. Major hypocrit.
Now others like Madonna or Drew, may or may not have engaged in gay or bi behavior (in Madonna's case she wrote about it, so I suspect it is true), but whatever the case it is their business and at least both of them have been VERY outspoken about gay rights and are some of our greatest advocates. So they may be either dating or married to men today, but at least they have never bashed or in any way failed to stand up for homosexual rights in any way. Thus just because they chose to have relationships with men I don't see them as hypocrits....I see them as advocates.
You don't have to always sleep with women to be friend and not foe.
I'm not accusing Drew
Drew and Madonna have come out
I beg your pardon but you're wrong about Madonna and Drew Barrymore.
And since when has Anne Heche claimed to be straight? She doesn't like to label her sexuality.
Madonna came out as bisexual in an interview with the Advocate in 1991.
Drew Barrymore makes no secret of the fact that she's bisexual and has described herself as such on a number of occasions such as the one mention here:
http://www.afterellen.com/People/bicelebs.html
I knew she was bi in 1999 I'm sure - I can't even remember where I first heard about it. Maybe when she was living with Courtney Love and the Paps where chasing them around a bit like they've chased Lindsay & Sam recently.
Jackie Clune has tried to explain that she feels she chose to be lesbian largely for political reasons - i.e. she was never really a lesbian. Well neither was Andrea Dworkin if you ask me. Jackie has also admitted that she has occasionally slept with women since marrying a man and declaring herself straight.
Joy Brook never came out as lesbian. She came out as bisexual and then said she was straight and would never fall in love with a woman again.
Something you need to realize about bisexuality. There's a lot of stigma, misunderstanding and prejudice surrounding it. It's really not that easy to identify consistently as bisexual. Consequently people who are bisexual quite often identify as gay/lesbian or straight according to the gender of the person they are currently in a relationship with.
I think hasbian is very unpleasant expression that usually indicates biphobic prejudice and should only be used to describe women who have previously identified as lesbian, bisexual or queer and have then gone "straight" and become openly anti-gay. I don't believe any of the women mentioned here can be accused of any such thing.
Could not agree more
I could not agree with you more. These women aren't women that were once gay and then went staright. These are women who are bisexual. I think people forget about bisexuals and believe that it has to be one way or the other. And this attitude does continue the bi stigma.
These women arent the ones we need to be upset at. Its the ones who do claim that they were once gay sinners but have now been cured from doing evil and now they are straight and happy. Eff those people! Such hypocrites. And the thing thats sad is they know deep inside that they are still gay and that they cannot help their feelings. But they still continue to spew hate.
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Okay, I hold my feet up &