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What would happen if the Republicans win again.?

I'm not really into politics that much, but I've really been into the election this year. I've read various articles over the place saying how McCain leads by a number of points over Obama in the polls. How he   has gained 20 points in the woman vote etc.  This is my first election and all this is slightly freaking me out. Everywhere I go I hear both men and women, including some gay ones, saying that they'd vote for the McCain-Palin ticket. Especially after some comments Obama made that were reportedly aimed at Palin. I don't understand. I mean this was the election we were not meant to lose. I can't believe that we could possibly lose, but it is possible.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/09/poll-madness-mccain-takes_n_125158.html

So if the worst case scenario was to occur and the Republicans win this year, realistically speaking how bad would it be for gay people? Would we lose all the rights gained so far? Would civil unions and a repeal of DADT and DOMA be impossible? Or is it possible that under a hostile Republican government we might advance more than we would otherwise? Are there any positives out there if this were to occur? Would more people be interested in activism?

How would you feel if the Democrats lost this year? And could anything positive actually come from this outcome?

 

 


The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

What would happen???

What would happen???

~The supreme court will have at least 2, possibly three more ultraconservative justices since McCain says he'll appoint judges like Scalia and Thomas

~McCain will veto any gay rights/equality/nondiscrimination bills

~attempts to repeal Roe v Wade will begin in the lower courts, hoping to get to the supreme court

~there will be the beginnings of an amendment against marriage

There's no way we'll be better off or even close to as "good" as we have things with Bush. Forget DOTA and DOMA being repealed.

We all need to get out there and volunteer for Obama, give donations if we can, and do our parts to protect our interests.

Alina's picture

nothing big will change

i guess you will have it like ,,now?

Ria's picture

Relate more to Obama than Palin as woman of color.

I am trying to raise awareness among the South Asian community about how awesome an Obama presidency will be. How supportive he is of immigrants, of kids trying hard to pay for college, of improving our health care system, his pledge to protect civil liberties and basically how his story speaks to people of all backgrounds. He has basically a bit of everyone (Caucasian, African American, Asian American) inside him due to his myriad experiences. He is such a decent, down to earth and articulate person. Anyone who sees his appearances on Ellen or other talk shows show that.

I can relate to Obama more than I can to Palin. I can relate to people charging him of not being patriotic, of pronouncing his name inaccurately, of being subtly racist towards him and using fear tactics, such as emphasising that he could belong to a minority religion, to undermine him. It is bull to say that women will relate to Palin because she has XX chromosomes. I no way relate to an anti-gay, anti-choice, gun advocate who is less than truthful.

This country would be nuts not to vote for Obama. My friends from overseas are all wishing they had an opportunity to vote for such an inspirational leader. Sometimes the smear campaigns against him make me think at times that we don't deserve him.

South Asian Americans for Obama.

http://www.safo2008.com/Blog.aspx

How awesome is that Kal Penn is campaigning for Obama?

 

 

Holly's picture

"He is such a decent, down

"He is such a decent, down to earth and articulate person."

 

Which is why he will not win. America is just one big joke to the rest of the world...

 

McCain seems like a walking EGO to me. I'm really scared of what will happen when he does win. I'm voting for Obama...not that it will really make a difference. 

zee's picture

Be very, very scared

What would happen if the Repubs win?   It’s hard to say, since most people expect the Dems to gain substantial seats in both the House and Senate.  A true Dem majority could prevent McCain from doing some damage (assuming, of course, that the Dems grow a spine in the process).  But with Bush's expansion of the "unitary executive" theory, McCain may well be able to do end runs around Congress, much like Bush did.

Almost certainly, there would be no gains or progress for the LGBT community; there may well be huge setbacks, esp regarding the Supreme Court.

The SC issue is HUGE, and I don’t know why there hasn’t been more made about this in the campaign.  If 2 more seats open up, as expected, McCain’s already said he’d look to fill them in the mold of Scalia/Thomas/Alito/Roberts.  That would give us the most radical rightwing court in modern history (maybe ever).   The ramifications of that are enormous – it wouldn’t just put Roe v Wade in jeopardy, but a whole host of advances (civil rights and others) that have been made over the years.

War.  War. War.  War.  War. McCain’s made it clear he doesn’t want to leave Iraq anytime soon.  He also doesn’t seem too worried about Afghanistan, even as that region becomes more and more unstable and more and more of a terrorist stronghold. 

Iran– McCain’s been clear on this also; see his “joke” about “Bomb, bomb, bomb,bomb, bomb Iran”).

Since McCain’s still fighting his own version of the Vietnam war, all the problems in Iraq, IranAfghanistan, and Pakistan would probably require reinstating the draft at some point.  There’s no possible way to engage in all the wars McCain wants to fight without conscription, esp since our military’s stretched so thin right now.

Oh, I almost forgot Russia.  God knows what he plans to do about them.  Maybe revisit the Cold War?

The economy.  McCain’s already said he doesn’t know much about the economy, and one of his top economic advisers, the ignoble Phil Gramm from Texas, has told him we’re just in a “mental recession” and that we’ve become a nation of whiners.  McCain wants to make Bush’s tax cuts for the most wealthy permanent and wants to continue enormous tax breaks to corporations.   The fact that most of McCain’s top advisors are all longtime lobbyists with deep ties to corporate America only compounds the situation.

If you think the economy’s bad now, just wait…..

What else?  Don’t expect health care any time soon.  McCain has no plan to help uninsured Americans.  And if you’re currently insured through your employer, he’ll increase taxes on your health coverage.

I haven't even gotten to the environment and energy policy (but think even MORE domination by lobbyists and big oil).

zee's picture

oh

my above comment doesn't include the possibility of a Palin Presidency.  The odds of McCain kicking it in the next few years are strong, given his age and general health.

If that happens, Palin becomes President and..... well, think "V for Vendetta."  Or, Orwell's "1984."

And I say that without the slightest trace of hyperbole.  That possibility should scare the shit out of all of us.

 

If McCain does win, pray day and night that the bastard stays healthy..... 

Marlow's picture

Not McCain, please

I have to say, I'm more worried about a Palin presidency than a McCain one. He's getting on and if he does kick the bucket while in power then America's stuck with a woman with little experience and ultra conservative views.

It's been exposed just today, I think, that while Palin was mayor of Wasilla women had to PAY for rapes to be investigated - how fucking sick can you get? Thankfully, in 2000 that ridiculous idea was abolished.

However, that doesn't mean I think it'll do America any good to have McCain in. But in his defense, zee 2, the economy is outwith the president's control at the moment. We're facing a lot of problems here in Britain and it's estimated it'll take until 2010 until we start to pick up - things are meant to get worse.

But I'll agree I'm concerned about the possibility on waging war on practically the whole of the Middle East. That's really worrying. And abortion rights would be at such a risk - that REALLY worries me. I'm relieved Obama says he thinks women are capable of deciding these things for themselves because I think it shows understanding. Abortion is a difficult topic and I think it's best left in the hands of those who have to go through with it - not some 73 year old man.

zee's picture

...

Marlow wrote:

But in his defense, zee 2, the economy is outwith the president's control at the moment. We're facing a lot of problems here in Britain and it's estimated it'll take until 2010 until we start to pick up - things are meant to get worse.

I'm not sure what you mean about the economy and the president's control.  I do agree that things will probably get worse before they get better (lord knows what the fallout will be from the Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae disaster.  And Lehman Bros could be a big problem for the country as well).

Whoever takes over the White House next year is in for a whole host of problems, economic and otherwise.  It will take YEARS to get the country back on the right track, but I believe McCain's economic policies would be much worse for the country.

Marlow's picture

Sorry, I wasn't clear

I should have said aspects of the economy, obviously there are areas the president has a lot of control over. Economies worldwide are experiencing a slowdown and are facing recession: Taiwan, New Zealand, the UK and US for example. Naturally the government gets blamed - I don't know if it's the same in the US but Gordon Brown is having a hard time because of it. Well, not entirely because of the economy but this slowdown has certainly damaged the Labour party a lot.

But, yeah, whoever is in next is in for a tough time trying to sort things out. I'm worried about McCains stance on war and what could happen if he gets in... good job we don't have Blair anymore, anyway. Unfortunate we're stuck with Brown... for now.

Ed Would's picture

Easy.

The shit will continue to hit the international fan, I'd imagine.  But life goes on.
Ria's picture

Off topic but apparently

Off topic but apparently Cindy McCain's half sister is voting Obama because Cindy has continually refused to acknowledge her and not spoke up when she was neglected in the will.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4641030.ece

Also, apparently Palin's own mother in law is ambivalent about who to support.

Hmmm..

Ria's picture

I realize that a lot of

I realize that a lot of people are getting kind of bored of all the Palin talk and the focus being taken off the real issues, but I found this article a very interesting read by Deepak Chopra. It looks at a psychological analysis of this election. What do you think of the points Chopra makes?

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/obama-and-the-palin-effec_b_123943.html

 Obama and the Palin Effect

Sometimes politics has the uncanny effect of mirroring the national psyche even when nobody intended to do that. This is perfectly illustrated by the rousing effect that Gov. Sarah Palin had on the Republican convention in Minneapolis this week. On the surface, she outdoes former Vice President Dan Quayle as an unlikely choice, given her negligent parochial expertise in the complex affairs of governing. Her state of Alaska has less than 700,000 residents, which reduces the job of governor to the scale of running one-tenth of New York City. By comparison, Rudy Giuliani is a towering international figure. Palin's pluck has been admired, and her forthrightness, but her real appeal goes deeper.



She is the reverse of Barack Obama, in essence his shadow, deriding his idealism and exhorting people to obey their worst impulses. In psychological terms the shadow is that part of the psyche that hides out of sight, countering our aspirations, virtue, and vision with qualities we are ashamed to face: anger, fear, revenge, violence, selfishness, and suspicion of "the other." For millions of Americans, Obama triggers those feelings, but they don't want to express them. He is calling for us to reach for our higher selves, and frankly, that stirs up hidden reactions of an unsavory kind. (Just to be perfectly clear, I am not making a verbal play out of the fact that Sen. Obama is black. The shadow is a metaphor widely in use before his arrival on the scene.) I recognize that psychological analysis of politics is usually not welcome by the public, but I believe such a perspective can be helpful here to understand Palin's message. In her acceptance speech Gov. Palin sent a rousing call to those who want to celebrate their resistance to change and a higher vision.



Look at what she stands for:


--Small town values -- a denial of America's global role, a return to petty, small-minded parochialism.
--Ignorance of world affairs -- a repudiation of the need to repair America's image abroad.
--Family values -- a code for walling out anybody who makes a claim for social justice. Such strangers, being outside the family, don't need to be heeded.
--Rigid stands on guns and abortion -- a scornful repudiation that these issues can be negotiated with those who disagree.
--Patriotism -- the usual fallback in a failed war.
--"Reform" -- an italicized term, since in addition to cleaning out corruption and excessive spending, one also throws out anyone who doesn't fit your ideology.

Palin reinforces the overall message of the reactionary right, which has been in play since 1980, that social justice is liberal-radical, that minorities and immigrants, being different from "us" pure American types, can be ignored, that progressivism takes too much effort and globalism is a foreign threat. The radical right marches under the banners of "I'm all right, Jack," and "Why change? Everything's OK as it is." The irony, of course, is that Gov. Palin is a woman and a reactionary at the same time. She can add mom to apple pie on her resume, while blithely reversing forty years of feminist progress. The irony is superficial; there are millions of women who stand on the side of conservatism, however obviously they are voting against their own good. The Republicans have won multiple national elections by raising shadow issues based on fear, rejection, hostility to change, and narrow-mindedness.

Obama's call for higher ideals in politics can't be seen in a vacuum. The shadow is real; it was bound to respond. Not just conservatives possess a shadow -- we all do. So what comes next is a contest between the two forces of progress and inertia. Will the shadow win again, or has its furtive appeal become exhausted? No one can predict. The best thing about Gov. Palin is that she brought this conflict to light, which makes the upcoming debate honest. It would be a shame to elect another Reagan, whose smiling persona was a stalking horse for the reactionary forces that have brought us to the demoralized state we are in. We deserve to see what we are getting, without disguise.

zephyr's picture

The Shadow Psyche

I thought that was really a brilliant metaphor of what goes on every four years, not only this election cycle.  How else do you explain people continually voting against their own best interests?  The shadow psyche is also like the analogy of having an angel on one shoulder and a demon on the other.  One appealing to our better nature, and the other appealing to our weaknesses.

I'm so glad you used Reagan as the repeat Presidential icon.  So many forget he and his ideological followers were the cause of so much continued misery in this country.  Large numbers of people in a state of homelessness is a part of the Reagan legacy.  And only a shadow psyche could lionize such a man, while also being gutted by his economic policies.  McCain's economic policies are the same trickle-down theory that George Bush, Sr. once touted as voodoo economics.

trysted's picture

kreskin speaks..

If the republicans win and proceed with the conservative agenda, I predict the following:

*putting hands to temples on either side of head. entering trance-like state*

The economy will continue to decline.

The disparity between the "rich" and the "poor" will continue to increase.

Individual rights to privacy and self-determination will continue to be eroded.

Even more people will exist without healthcare.

Public educational systems will continue to decline.

The so-called war on terror will continue to be fought from the level of the problem, instead of from the level of a solution.

Ditto, for the so-called war on drugs. (Remember that? We're still paying for it. How do you win it? For that matter, how do u win a war on terror? What does victory look like in these cases?)

There will be further deregulation of big businesses to the detriment of the marketplace, the environment, and the common worker.

The cost of living will increase, however wages will not.

The rest of the world will continue to be horrified at the clumsy hypocrisy and lack of diplomacy practiced by the US.

Additonal wars, both literal and ideological will be contrived to bilk the american people out of money through the use of fear-mongering tactics.

A lack of optimism will have a negative effect on the domestic financial markets.

Burdened by the cost of wars and a failing economy, the US will be less able to compete in the global market.

Enough people will eventually become so fed-up with the state of affairs, they will finally get a clue and boot the SOBs out of office.

*removing hands from temples. closing all channels.*

Goodnight.


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Lo's picture

ohh dear...

quite honestly if the repubs win and it truly does look like the shits gonna hit the fan big time, i'm going to move to london w/ my aunt and uncle. i don't think i'd be able to live here if McCain (or heave forbid Palin were president)