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Star TrekSince there has been a total of 5 Star Trek series, I thought it would be a good idea to have some place to discuss them all in. I'm a huge star trek fan (I own every episode that has ever been released on dvd) and after every rewatching of any of the shows, I always have something I want to talk about. What intrigues me about Star Trek is the almost utopian society earth has turned into. Money doesn't exist (and thus, poverty is gone too), crime is almost nonexistant and bigotry is a thing of the past. But the road to this future wasn't easy, there was a third world war and countless atrocities that finally made humanity realize that things had to chane, so the cynic in me is satisfied too. The show also attacks various moral and ethical dilemmas head on, while still keeping a certain degree of objectivity. Their approach is progressive and most often open minded (almost liberal, at times). At least TNG and Voyager had this basic approach. DS9 dealt a lot with religion and I could detect some pro-religious semi-propaganda hidden there that I don't really like, but the show was still fairly good. Anyway, the show isn't all serious commentary. It's also awesome light entertainment, hot chicks and cool space battles. Anyway, what do YOU think about Star Trek? Can you see past the technobabble and enjoy the heavy issues that the show deals with? Which series is your favourite of the bunch? You have a favourite episode or a favourite character? What about a favourite villain or the opinions on the coolest race? Share it here. :) Submitted by Druj (1290 posts) on January 21, 2006 - 4:58pm. |
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What a lovely thread you have here!
Then as a teenager they started sending TNG on Swedish television, and I loved it, I even recorded ALL episodes on VHS. But that is also some years ago and I have to watch that again soon.
Some years went by and by coincidence I saw a "video of the week" on AE which happen to be a fan video of Janeway 7/9 - WOW - I just had to buy the complete collection at once. It took me half a year to watch all seven seasons. One thing let to another and I was totally rehooked on all things Star Trek. Yesterday I just finished watching all seven DS9 seasons after about a year.
It's difficult to say which one I like the most, but I must admit I have a really really weak spot for Voyager. Janeway is sooo cool, and Seven sooo sexy, but still there is som much more to her character than a tight biosuit. And B'elanna is so alive! In fact all the men are quite boring compared to the women. No I like Nelix (most of the time), Tuvok and the Doctor. But I think that it's mainly the very good cast that keeps Voyager together - and the the 7/9 storyline with the Borgs and the quilt complex she has. Without the Borgs Voyager wouldn't have been half as good.
DS9 is a lot more complex with more story lines, and I like the way in which the aliens: Ferengies, Changelings, Cardasians, Bajorans, Trills, Klingons etc are not just supporting actors to a bunch of humans. Even though DS9 doesn't "explore the universe" then for the first time you really get into the ST universe. And because they had more continuation on the show, characters like Gul Dukat, Damar and Kai Win had more chance to evolve.
It took me a while to like the characters. But after about two seasons I got to like them a lot. I love the chemistry between Jadzia and Worf, and when they got married I almost had to cry - all right I did cry. And I thought Miles and Keiko's marriage was hillarious! She is just SO annoying and you can't possibly blame Miles for hanging around with Bashir so much. I thought it was very humorous of the writers to have this married couple that was so disfunctional. I mean they often tried to make it work, but then Keiko always got annoyed with something and Miles left to be with Bashir, and Keiko got more annoyed.
But Sisko/Avery Brooks was just awful, I never got was he was about? The way he made every line sound like something out of Southern preacher's mouth really got on my nerve.
Favorite race must be the Klingons, they are so much fun! But the scariest are the Borgs, they just assimilate they way other species breath.
And then there is the new movie coming next year - I can't wait!!!!!!! I hope it's good. But I think it's all right if it doesn't follow the ST universe meticulously - in order to survive it has to bring in some new stuff as well.
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Too many questions I want to answer Druj! Star Trek commentary *drool*... lol!
I never really watched the original series since it was to me as a child a cheesy show that my dad watched (and the special effects weren't as good as Star Wars that I was soooo into when I was like 5). But then TNG premiered and I used to watch the show pretty religiously. It's funny... I was thinking the other day that the show must've shaped what I find physically attractive in men and women (Riker's Beard and Crusher's red hair... sigh) :P Anyway, I didn't keep up with DS9 as much because I found it kinda boring or preachy at times and I watched VOY religiously. I just love Janeway (in everyway possible... she is a redhead after all ;) ) I thought ENT was just awful and was quite dissappointed with it. I just thought the only interesting character was T'Pol and the acting annoyed me in general. Ah well... you win some you lose some.
The funny thing is that even though I am a science nerd, I always saw past the technobabble and watched the show not for the firefights or gadgets but for the relationships between people and the social commentary the show generated. The only bad thing I think was that often the show's villians were always aliens. This is kinda of xenophobic and made humanity seem fantastic when, of course, we're only "human" and maybe there should've been a little more humans gone bad and not in a mirror universe/aliens took over my brain kinda way.
That being said I did scream at the TV when Trip said that some fancy schmancy microscope could see nucleotides in a protein... nucleotides are in DNA/RNA you dimwit writers and any 16 year old biology student could tell you that!
So I loved VOY... maybe because by then I was old enough to analyze the eps more and get more out of them and that was the show that was on at the time. And I loved Janeway and B'Elanna for being such kick ass female characters. I also really liked the Doc and Seven for their discovering how to be more human and what that means. Although I think the writters really dropped the ball on Seven and having her explore her sexuality. Ok maybe she wouldn't end up with Janeway, even though after the Doc this seemed to be the most logical choice for a sexual partner, but at least some same-sex attraction should've been discussed... and don't gimme that crap that they would've lost an audience base because you know the boys would love to see Seven make out with a chick. Not Janeway but some chick.
Coolest race? I've always been partial to the Klingons and not because I'm into S/M even though I think that would prolly be a good way of describing them as a species :P . They are just interesting and have so much mythology behind them. They are a good solid written-out species with all the accoutrements of their society (art, music, sport, religion etc.) And I just want a bat'leth because they look cool :D
Best villain is a little tough... love the Borg Queen for all her sexy creepiness... and Romulans are always so ruthless... hm... hard to pick.
Favourite ep... VOY's "Year of Hell" What the ship prolly would've went through if this wasn't TV and the crew had to survive week to week. Good villains who aren't really villains but misguided in their leader's grief, the crew forming new close bonds and Janeway having to make tough choices and being bitchy, dirty (and a little sexy lol).
Man I could talk forever and I have already started to. But I have fav Characters on every series and could enumerate reasons as well but I'll shut up for a little now :wink:
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ahem.. i like season 7: voyager best because of borg
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My favourite trek show has to be TNG. It had a great cast and many, many, great storylines. Patrick Stewart (Captain Picard) is a tremendous actor and so is Brent Spiner (Data) and Whoopi Goldberg (Guinan). There is also an amazing amount of great guest stars, lots of actors that are household names today. Like Kirsten Dunst, for example, who plays a kid who's a member of a telepathic race visiting the enterprise, or Teri Hatcher who appears several times as a member of the enterprise crew.
My favourite character is probably either Data, Quark or Odo. But I also like most of the episodes in TNG (and Voyager) with Barkley in them. He's neurotic and excentric behaviour is a fresh breeze in the sometimes too somplistic character portrayals in the various star trek series.
Also, Q was a great character (and race too, I suppose).
My least favourite character is probably either Wesley Crusher from TNG or Trip Tucker from Enterprise. Wesley Crusher ALWAYS got on my nerves. At first with his blank, stupid smiles and his total of 3 facial expressions, which admittedly is probably the actors fault and not the character, but still.
Tucker also annoyed the hell out of me. Not only did he have a slightly inbred appearance (come on, with his eyes that close together?) but the character as a whole is one of those painfully boring characters that every trek show seem to have at least one of. TNG had Riker, Voyager had Harry Kim and Tom Paris, DS9 had Julian Bashir, etc, etc. Ohh, and Riker, another one of the characters that are very low on my list. He was supposed to be this really charming "hunk" or something, but I just didn't see it. Granted, I am a lesbian and it is possible I'm missing something.
As for favourite race, I'd have to say the Borg. Or at least the original idea for the Borg. The concept of an unfeeling race of cybernetic organisms connected via a hive mind is just so great it can't be denied. The way they want to assimilate and expand their view of the world is very believable. Later on the writers for the various shows seem to portray them more and more as "evil" and a little too much as a group of individuals. The queen sort of personified that change.
Anyway, another race I like is the Ferengi. They're so greedy, selfish, sexist and devious that it's impossible to NOT like them. :lol:
For all the love I have for Star Trek, there is still certain subjects that has simply been ignored. Same sex romance is one of them and one of the biggest cop-outs in the history of the Star Trek franchise. They touched on the subject sometimes, like in that TNG-episode about the species that's androgynous. One of them, a distinctly female one, falls in love with Riker (like every other female guest character in the history of the series :roll: ) but she/it is pressured by the leaders of her society to stop acting so female. At the end of the episode she's/it's brainwashed (or something) by her people. I'm really not sure what to make of that episode. I get both good and bad vibes from the storyline and how it was handled.
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Holy crap. I was bumming around imdb looking through star trek shows and actors just now, and I happened upon the actress playing Naomi Wildman, you know...the cute little girl from Star Trek Voyager?
[img:69dab3314c]http://imageupload.exterus.se/files/wildman.jpg[/img:69dab3314c]
And what did I find when I entered Scarlett Pomers (the actess) bio page? Well, this:
[img:69dab3314c]http://imageupload.exterus.se/files/pomers.jpg[/img:69dab3314c]
I mean, what the hell? Where does the time go? I remember watching Voyager when it first aired...I was already living on my own by then. Does cute little girls from my favourite tv-shows run off and grow up to be pretty young women when I turn my back for a second?
I think I'm getting old. :(
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:omg: @ ^... wow, that's little naomi wildman?! unbeliveable 8O
i wrote a LARGE post to this topic yesterday, there was a comment about all shows and characters. you're wondering why i haven't posted it? well, i wrote it one my dads laptop. and yes, the dumbass laptop decided to give me a nervous breakdown. it went into hybernation. i went into hyperventilation :irked: my dad never has that adapter crap with him because it's "too heavy" :irked: :irked: and i just managed to delete the post so my dad couldn't read it.[img:57667f04c8]http://www.gay.hr/web/smilies/drama.gif[/img:57667f04c8]
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[quote:7030f559e3="sunflower"]:omg: @ ^... wow, that's little naomi wildman?! unbeliveable 8O[/quote:7030f559e3]
Indeed. I almost feel a little dirty for saying it, but...she's kind of hot. If a little young, still (I think she's 18 ).
[quote:7030f559e3="sunflower"]i wrote a LARGE post to this topic yesterday, there was a comment about all shows and characters. you're wondering why i haven't posted it? well, i wrote it one my dads laptop. and yes, the dumbass laptop decided to give me a nervous breakdown. it went into hybernation. i went into hyperventilation :irked: my dad never has that adapter crap with him because it's "too heavy" :irked: :irked: and i just managed to delete the post so my dad couldn't read it.[img:7030f559e3]http://www.gay.hr/web/smilies/drama.gif[/img:7030f559e3][/quote:7030f559e3]
Computers can be delightfully sadistic at times. ;)
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Yup little Naomi Wildman... she's on Reba btw. My one friend scholded me that I didn't recognize a Star Trek actor and she did (she would only watch it with me to critique hairstyles).
Last I heard she had gone to rehab for an eating disorder, which unfortunately seems to happen to all young actresses these days :?
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my favourite star trek show is probably voyager. it's actually hard to pick, every show had a period i totally loved, but voyager probably had most of those periods as far as i'm concerned. well, every show except the original series. i could never make myself watch that show. kirk was just sooo annoying with that 'interstellar casanova' status, i just couldn't take it. and the show was just created in some other time, so that made it a bit hard for me to like it too. i know this makes me a bad trekkie, but i grew up watching cartoons that made the OS look ridiculous, so i guess it just makes sense the OS wasn't one of the shows i liked. i remember i tried to watch it a few times because it was a star trek show, but after watching one episode where they were attacked by some aliens that looked like big pancakes, i just gave it up. although, that was an interesting idea, not all aliens are supposed to be humanoids, but that whole episode was just ridiculous, so i eventually gave it up.
i liked the background story in voyager. it was a ship lost in an unknown quadrant, just trying to get home. it sometimes seemed a bit claustrophobic, they were stuck on that ship, not able to just 'go out for a walk', and always seeing the same faces day after day. ugh, just watching the same faces in uni makes me insane sometimes, and just the idea of me being stuck with those same people in one place for a few years?! :google: of course, they met a lot of interesting alien species and something was going on all the time. actually when i remember everything they went through, that same faces part doesn't sound that bad, huh? and of course, the best invention from that time, the hologram. traveling around the world (or should i say worlds) or being in your favourite tv show/book/movie, oh that just sounded like such a great thing to me. acutally captain proton was the only time i liked paris and kim :P i thought they were a bit annoying or sort of in the way most of the time.
neelix and the doctor were my favourite characters on voyager. they had interesting stories and were both fun to watch. tuvok was ok too, but the worst chracter was most definitely chakotay. i hated him. thank god he didn't get together with janeway, that would have been a disaster. seven was a great character, but she got a bit boring towards the end, especially when she got together with chakotay. that was one of the stupidest things the show creators ever did.
the worst character in general was definitely wesley. the actor was bad and the character was just annoying as hell. always whining about something. :irked: TNG was also a great show, especially because of picard. patrick stewart is just a great actor and picard my favourite star trek captain. the worst thing about this show (other than wesley) was the riker/deanna romance. riker was something like chakotay to me (maybe even a bit worse), i never liked him one bit. oh, worf was also great, it was really great when he got involved with jadzia. hehe, the tough klingon and the silly trill :mrgreen: they were great. those two and quark were my favourite DS9 characters. DS9 was sometimes broing and i didn't watch it a lot after jadzia died. bashir was the worst character on that show, he was 'just there', kinda like malcolm on enterprise. what i didn't like about DS9 was all that talk about religion. it reminded me of some of my relatives… but also made me appreciate my parents even more for not making me do all that religious stuff and letting me decide on my own if and what i believe in. they just overdid it sometimes in DS9 and the stories weren't that interesting. enterprise? well, it was pretty much a dissapointment. i watched it mostly because of t'pol. i loved her, she was just one very cool vulcan. oh, and porthos. i love beagles! :D OMG, i forgot barclay! he was a great character. he also reminded me of myself a lot. i'm not that neurotic to the outside world, but it's a pretty good picture of my state of mind when i'm in uni or just studying…
now, my favourite species… hm, i always liked the bad guys, they were always the coolest and most fun to watch. i even liked the hirogens for that matter :roll: my favourites were the romulans and the cardassians. no matter how ruthless or evil they could be, i loved them. therefore my favourite villain was gul dukat. i just couldn't hate him, no matter what he did. and the bajorans got on my nerves often, so i liked him even more. i liked the xindi too, but not for the same reason as the above mentioned species. i liked the concept of a race which is composed of five (once six) distinct species. non-humanoids are always interesting, but one species that consists of aquatics, arboreals, avians, insectoids, primates, and reptilians is even better. of course, the most interesting species is the borg. the stuff that goes on inside my head is just too much to handle sometimes and it would be great 'to bring some order into that chaos'. their purpose is to survive and there are no moral dillemas there. oh, sometimes things would be just so much easier if you just handled with no hesitation and without thinking about the consequences. but yeah, that's why we're humans :roll: i think the authors messed them up when they created unimatrix zero. that was one of the stupidest things they did in voyager. oh, and the borg queen was always amazing! altough, she wasn't that good in voyager, TNG days were much more fun :mrgreen:
i really can't say which was my favourite episode. there were a lot of really good ones in all shows. i remember that TNG episode Druj mentioned (the one about the androgynous species). i thought it was a great idea, a different perspective for something so close to us. i'm sure most of the people who watched it were against that brainwashing thing that happened in the end and probably thought it was stupid of that species to even demand someone to do that. sadly, i'm sure many of them didn't see past the fact that it was 'just a star trek episode' and actually think about it a bit more… it was an interesting episode, but it also confused me back then, when i watched it. and it also pissed me off a bit. a lot was just left unsaid and after all that talk about this and that, the brainwashing took place after all. ugh.
i always liked that alternate realities stuff, most of those episodes were fun to watch. there were a few DS9 episodes where kira was the commander of DS9 and a villain. that was the only time i actually liked her :P she was much more fun that way than that boring bajoran whatever. the romantic in me loved that episode where jadzia meets the current host of the wife of one of dax's past hosts ( :google: ). that concept of love knowing NO boundaries (being separated for years, loving other people, changing bodies and with them sexes, life experience…), oh no romantic could resist that. the little cynic in me is screaming it was all ridiculous, but it doesn't matter, i loved that episode!
[i:f25a8cea82]I am Locutus of Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. You will disarm all your weapons and escort us to Sector Zero-Zero-One. If you attempt to intervene, we will destroy you.[/i:f25a8cea82] [img:f25a8cea82]http://www.gay.hr/web/smilies/Borg.gif[/img:f25a8cea82]
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Sunflower, I fully agree with you about the Hirogen and the Xindi. I think the lonely, nomadic hunter-concept that the Hirogen was all about is really cool in that kind of science fiction setting. The Hirogen episodes weren't always that great in Voyager, but the basic concept was still great. As for the Xindi, I am fascinated by the same thing as you, that several species evolved on the same planet from different kinds of animals is an awesome concept. Though again, I was kind of bored with how they handled that whole thing (kind like most of Enterprise bored me to tears).
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yeah, i know what you mean. it was like the authors spend so much time and effort when they were creating these species, so they didn't think it was neccesairy to give them more interesting storylines. or they just 'ran out of gas' while creating them, so they just couldn't think of any better stories...
oh, my crappy english :irked:
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Someone gave me Star Trek Enterprise season one as a present. I loved Voyager and spent way too much time slashing Seven and Janeway... Damn you Chakotay, damn you to hell !
Can anyone tell me if Enterprise is as good and if there is anything subtexty-wise between any characters that I might be able to get my teeth into...
ahhh. i dug into the J/7