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A Recurring Side Effect Of Straight Friends

OK..This is something that I have been noticing more and more with my straight friends(and I have allot of them..I really need to get out more). I have not been near a closet for almost 16 years now but I also am not a flag wearing lesbian. That is not to say I won't correct someone in conversation, should it arise. It is just one part of me and I really am not big on talking about my personal life to strangers who don't need to know..and that includes everything..not just being a lesbian.

But, I am finding my straight friends tend to point out the fact that I am a lesbian to others in conversation at any opportunity and sometimes even to me(just in case I forgot, I guess). I find this bizarre..is it their own insecurities or is being a lesbian still that much of a sideshow attraction?

Anyone else find this phenomenon happening in their world?

 

edit: I thought of another that falls into this category..straight male friends(again.. i have allot of them..comes with the business) are fascinated with the theory that I am only one good penis away from ditching women and going to men. I am amazed at how threatened men are and how much power they give that crap between their legs.

 

 


alittle's picture

I've had it happen some

That sort of thing is so obnoxious.  They are usually folks who don't respect your privacy.
gato's picture

I have started replying

I have started replying .."thanks..I had forgotten"
SpecialK7's picture

Know exactly what you're saying

My ex's friends do it all the time and she gets really annoyed not only because of that, but because she identifies (as I do) as bisexual. I could care less about what people say because I know how I feel but she feels the need to correct people. I just find it annoying that they need to mention it because it's not like they (and we!) don't know.  Maybe the straight girls are insecure?  I don't know...

And it's not only straight friends, but gay boys as well (which I don't get why they need to point it out...?).

The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

That's never happened to me.

That's never happened to me. Maybe you have friends with bad manners.
gato's picture

thing is..somtimes i don't

thing is..somtimes i don't think they realize what they are doing.

 

but is just wierd..like i can't just be Cat..I am Cat "the lesbian"

relax devenny's picture

That was one of the biggest

That was one of the biggest things I was worrying about before coming out. Would people only just perceive me as a lesbian and nothing else? If people are talking about me, are they gonna be like, "Isn't she gay?", "The gay one", "Oh, shes a lesbian isn't she?", "Alaina! You know her, the gay one.", "Shes gay. Oh, I know, I'm just saying..", etc. Like, thats really annoying and rude.

We're only human! And thats how I wanna be treated, like a normal human being. I don't see any needs for my straight friends to constantly bring it up or "speak" for me to the men. I'm allowed to have male friends, I can tell them about me myself or hang out with them if I want to. A few of my friends think I wouldn't care to hear about their boyfriends, because oh wait- I'm a lesbian! Not interested in boy stories, sorry. It "bothers" me. Uhh.....I never said that. No need to assume what I may or may not want to hear.

And like you said, gato, you want to be just "Cat", and not "Cat, the lesbian"; and thats how I feel about myself. I wanna be just "Alaina".

Justine's picture

i feel/felt the same way -

i feel/felt the same way - I don't want to be known as 'Justine the lesbian'.  My friends (all straight) tend to always tell others.  One of them would always point out who her friends were in the photos around her house and I would always be described as - 'that's justine, she's a lesbian'.  Don't get me wrong -I'm not ashamed of being a lesbian, it's just that I'm much more than that.  I took the chance one day to calmly point this annoying fact out to my friends.  I asked them if they describe each other as - 'this is jane - she's straight' etc.  I ended up telling them to let these people meet me first so they get to make their own first impression about me before the lesbian factor distracts them.

I get the opposite with the man talk factor.  They don't think twice about telling me the intimate details of their sex lives.  I don't really care about this (it's gross) but a couple of them have said they never want to hear about my sex life (not that i have one).

Oh to one day live in a world where no one bats an eyelid about who yours snuggling and all relationships are 'normal'.

So, Alaina, have you tried asking your friends if they can stop doing all that you spoke about?

The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

If they don't realize how

If they don't realize how their behavior impacts you, then you have to let them know how you feel when they do it so that they can change their behavior. I'm sure they think they're being helpful and they'll continue to think that unless you tell them otherwise.  When I was young and stupid I invited a friend who was in AA to a party and since she didn't know anyone, I pointed out all the other people I knew in AA at the party. She left me know that even though I was trying to be helpful, in the AA world what I was doing was taboo. I had no idea and didn't do it again.
KROCK's picture

i think it is still the

i think it is still the sideshow factor for me. i live in a college town in alabama, and i find that even though it is 2008 i still get the deer and headlight effect when one of my friends out me to some one new. which is alot because about the only thing to in my town is go to the bar. even though there is no gay bar... they demolished the one we had last year.
Penny Winterr's picture

I have a co-worker who does this

I want to punch her.  Whenever she thinks some guy might be interested (I'm out in my department, but it's not like the whole university knows it) she has to bloody well open her yap.  I don't know if it's so he'll [hopefully] redirect his attention to her (mmm, me smell wo-man.  Uh? Dis wo-man no good?  Mmm, you look'em good now.)

I mean, really.  I'm so glad my real friends (who happen to be straight) are actually intelligent/sensitive enough to be my friends!

deathbyblonde's picture

Whatever

It can be a little obnoxious and if it bothers you a lot, you should let them know, but it's not really a huge deal and it doesn't neccesarily mean that they're rude/homophobic/uncomfortable with your sexuality/ closeted/etc. People, especially in high school, are used to catagorizing things, it's silly but it's what they're used to.

I'm friends with this really lovely girl who, when she first met me, would always tell boys who were talking to us that I was gay. It wasn't that she wanted the attention directed at herself (no problem there, she was a hot Brit with a cute accent in a small New England hick town), she just thought she was doing me a favor. After a while, I patted her on the shoulder and said, "Darling, that's very sweet of you, but I can probably handle it on my own."

PS (love the thought-process, penny)

H.'s picture

Aww

That sucks a little gato. My friends don't out me often at all, i think they're actually afraid of doing so, they're always thinking...'oooh harriet'll kill me'. Which is not true, i couldn't give a crap who knows tbh. My sisters are the complete opposite though. If there's a pause in the conversation...'Did you know, my sister's a lesbian?'. *eye roll* I'm not bothered who knows, i just don't like the limelight of people looking at me. 

There was one time though that was just hilarious. My younger sister has this new sorta...not boyfriend exactly, more casual...thing going with this really nice guy. She brought him to a family party when no one had met him before. And i bumped into them in the lounge. She called me over and it went something like this:

Sister: Harriet, this is Matt.                                                                              

Me: Hi, nice to meet you.                                                                                

Sister: This is Harriet, my sister...                                                                        

Matt: Oh right, well hi, good to meet you too.                                                

Sister: Yeah, you know, she's the lesbian one i was telling you about...                

Me: You what?! You have got to stop with this!                                                 

Sister: What?                                                                                             

Me: Telling everyone! I'm not bothered, but you can't use me as a conversation piece when you've run out things to say!                                                                 

Sister: Why not? It's interesting, why are you even bothered?                               

Me: Because you make it sound like that's all I am, like i define myself as just 'the lesbian' and sometimes i don't wanna be that, i am just a person too...               

Matt: Yeah, it's cool y'know, I dabble in some man-loving sex myself sometimes.

<Silence>

Sometimes I almost don't mind my sisters outing me. It was a classic, i was laughing constantly for the rest of the evening. Bless him, he was a nervous wreck. She'd thrown him right in at the deep end, family party, all her friends etc. and he was obviously trying to be jokey but it really didn't work that way. Sooooo funny.

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Lauren's picture

haha

o man that was a good one. well i only have one friend who in turn tells everybody she knows that im gay, like most of you i dont really care who knows simply because idk the people shes actually telling. however, here is the hook...shes gay. idk if shes trying to get me out on the market (im not a piece of meat!) or if she doesnt think her friends would know im gay and let me tell you...its pretty obvious haha but i cant wrap my head around it. a problem i have with my straight friends especially the girls is commenting on the guys at the mall while people watching. they think this one guy is hot and hes all emo and im like no not really and they yell at me "shut up you wouldnt know your gay" joking of course but come on!? i can identify when an attractive person male or female walks by its like one of them saying "oh man, maggie gyllenhaal was so hot in that movie" (which i totally agree its a shame she died in batman!) but how can they say that and i cant say "wow that guys six pack is crazy hot" (at the beach thinking i wish my abs looked like that haha)...what the difference?!
BAS's picture

I hate that too

Sort of different from the main topic, but I also really hate the fact that my opinions on the hotness of males is devalued while they feel totally normal commenting on the hotness of females.

So annoying.

What bugs me more than the random outing is the using me as a punchline of a joke. That actually hurts, whereas with the random outing (which does happen, I think it's very common) it is just kind of annoying and like they are uncomfortable.

Bente's picture

It happens from time to time

So I put up a list of things my friends can use instead of the lesbian/gay one. Just as informative!

The funny one

The one in the Air Force

The small/tiny/little one

The big mouthed, small, North Norwegain, in the Air Force-one

And for wishful thinking I have: The cute/sweet/adorable/sexy/smart/intelligent one Though I guess they still go with gay/lesbian...

 

 

 

________________________

"We're in love. W-we're lovers. We're lesbian, gay-type lovers" - Willow

OceanZen76's picture

Friends are one thing...

but my Mom's another. She uses it to bond with people. Like, "yeah, my daughter is gay, too." Then she calls me and tells me about the gay connection she has made, like, "Oh, so the woman I work with is a lesbian too. You should talk to her". Or, "my best friend's daughter is a lesbian, so my friend understands". "This guy that I met is great, he has a gay brother". Yada yada yada.

Fortunately, my friends simply refer to us as "the ladies". We hang out with straight couples and gay men, so we are the only "ladies" in the group.

Bente's picture

So true

So true! Typical Mom! 

But sometimes I think it comforts them to know that they're not alone with gay children

________________________

"We're in love. W-we're lovers. We're lesbian, gay-type lovers" - Willow

sleepylobster's picture

My sister

My sister does that also. Ever since I came out to her, she's been super supportive, but does things like that as well. She'll meet someone  who is gay and call me to tell me that we should talk. She also set me up on a date once without actually telling me that it was a date, oh well, have to love her...
snowgirl41's picture

To impress others?

I have one friend who likes to tell everyone no matter where we are - She will just say this is my friend ***** she is gay!.  Ok it is not like I hide it I am proud to stand up and acknowledge who I am but I don't need her telling everyone in the first few minutes of a conversation.  Sometimes I think it makes her feel better or she is just trying to impress people with the fact she has a "gay" friend (like I am so novelty or something).  If anyone has the answer to this dilemma please let me know.

Snowgirl41

"Every person in the world has a purpose for being here—a calling".

Clumsy_Fool's picture

Have a friend like that

I have a couple friends like urs snowgirl. its not at all fun. Theres another girl in y group of friends with the same name so to differ us they'd be like "the gay ******" till i told them to stop it. now they call me lola(my spanish name) So my suggestion is tell them if u don't want them refering to u in that manner
snowgirl41's picture

not easy...

Glad to know I am not alone clumsy fool.....I think since I came out at 40 and not years ago my friends have such a hard time with it and saying it out loud might make them feel better I don't know it is just tuff sometimes.  I have asked them not refer to me that way but they just don't get it.  I told them what I introduce you to my gay friends as the "straight one" and they just laugh.  I just wish they would get over themselves already.  

Snowgirl41

"Every person in the world has a purpose for being here—a calling".

idyphoto's picture

It's just a label

And actually, I think that the more people use the word (and other gay words), the more they will get used to people who are gay. If you're out of the closet, then let the words out too. Regardless of the person's motive for telling someone else that you are a lesbian, your reaction is where the potential problem lies. As long as you know that you are much more than a lesbian, does anything else really matter? Most people like to categorize and classify things and people, slapping as many labels on them as they can. But that doesn't mean you have to let yourself be limited by their boundaries. Accept others for who they are so maybe they will get the hint and accept you as well. Life is way too short to worry about a label.
snowgirl41's picture

Thanks idyphoto....

I will take your advise you are right Life is way to short to worry about labels.  

Snowgirl41

"Every person in the world has a purpose for being here—a calling".

Brutal_Romance's picture

straight people can be aggravating

especially if you're the ONLY lesbian friend, then you become the side attraction show or a piece of conversation they restore to when there is nothing to talk about.

 its annoying as hell, hence why the number of my straight friends is declining.