Bisexual porn starsI just read that Jenna Jameson decided to turn "straight." so i thought i'd check out any other bi porn stars and see how open they are with their bisexuality. Are these ladies really bisexual or are they only bi for pay. How many of you have actually watched their work? One of my friends who knows people within the industry has said that most people within it (female and male) are actually bisexual, which is pretty interesting. Other bi porn stars include - Briana Banks (of Briana Loves Jenna fame) - Alexandre Frota - Barbara Dare - Justin Joli In fact there are so many that there's an entire wiki page devoted to them. Submitted by carlyk (78 posts) on July 1, 2008 - 9:49am. |
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Sky Lopez, who is supposedly a bona fide nymphomaniac and not just bi for pay. And Devon, who claims she went in to porn because she was attracted to the women and her (now ex) boyfriend encouraged her to go in the business.
and oh yeah, Janine and Julia Ann, although I've heard Janine is more into guys these days.
Not really that many...
You're left with twelve out of thousands.
Wiki has another list of Gay people that includes pretty much the same list of bisexual porn stars plus Jill Kelly
And I gotta add Judy Star, a professed lesbian who's screwed more men than what is healthy. She says she doesn't do men in her personal life.
Jenna Haze claimed she was into girls.
Then there's Cassidey.
I know a bit too much about porn....lol
Jill Kelly had a relationship with PJ Sparxxx and also Janine. Sky Lopez dated some female porn star but I forgot her name. There's more than 12 of them, believe me.
I have seen a lot of porn in my day...lol...lemme think of the ones I know.
There was one porn actress who starred in a movie with her butch girlfriend.
Nico Treasures was caught at Dodger Stadium with her girlfriend, and they were kicked out because somebody complained about them kissing (this happened years before the current Seattle Mariner incident involving Sirbrina from Tila Tequila).
Isis Love and Penny Flame were a couple, and I saw a scene with them in it while they were dating. It was blatantly obvious to anyone watching the scene they were an item.
Then there's the UK porn stars....Peaches and Gina B are currently dating and living with one another.
Raylene dated Courtney Love.
Judy Star may have screwed tons of men, it doesn't mean she enjoyed it. It's a job...much how you mentioned female porn stars who do other women but don't really like it, but because it's a lucrative business they will do it. It's all about money with these chicks.
Felicia had a relationship with Celeste, who has long retired.
Now, there's bi-sexual female porn stars who screw women off screen, and there's bi-sexual porn stars who actually date the women they are screwing off-screen.
Peaches and Gina B aren't
Peaches and Gina B aren't from the UK. They're from Hungary. Peaches identifies as bisexual, I'm not sure about Gina, she may actually be lesbian. Neither of them have ever done any boy/girl porn.
"It's all about money with these chicks." is a sweeping generalization. And therefore, like nearly all other sweeping generalizations, not really true :). The truth is that it's all about money for some women who work as porn performers. Most of them enjoy their work at least some of the time.
Judy Star is by no means the only porn star who identifies as lesbian but who does lots of boy/girl scenes.
I don't really buy it anymore than I do gay-for-pay male porn stars - most, if not all those guys are bisexual. These lesbian porn stars who do men may well be emotionally lesbian and therefore only interested in relationships with other women, but that doesn't necessarily mean they don't enjoy sex with men. They can make just as much money in porn by doing girl/girl only, even if b/g does generally pay better than g/g on a per scene basis. It doesn't really pay that much better to make a significant difference overall. There are plenty of women who make lots of money in porn who never do men on camera.
I've never heard of a lesbian identified porn star who only does hetero scenes. I'd more inclined to believe that she really was a full-on lesbian who's not remotely bisexual, and I'd also feel very sorry for her because that would probably mean she really was only doing it for the money and didn't feel comfortable doing it for money with someone - another woman - she could actually enjoy it with.
Consider Madison Young. She identifies as lesbian on myspace even though she is currently in a relationship with a man. That's not to say she isn't genuinely queer, I believe she is, very much so. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=216829889
My bad
With regard to Madison
With regard to Madison Young. Society, both straight and queer, has a marked tendency to mislabel bi people. So it should come as no surprise when many bi people display a certain disdain for, or indeed confusion about, accuracy when labeling themselves. She's mainly been with women in the past, so you can be sure that Madison (real name Tina Butcher) has frequently been called a lesbian and a dyke. And not just in a professional capacity when working as a porn performer. She sometimes says she's bisexual, sometimes queer, sometimes lesbian, and sometimes "not sure". She has appeared in a lot of lesbian/dyke porn produced and directed by LGBT women. Yes, she has a male partner right now but there's no way she's straight.
Nobody here said Judy Star was the only lesbian identified pornstar who does men. Nobody said she wasn't either. I was just pointing out she isn't.
Also, I don't see what looks has got to do with anything - which is in the eyes of the beholder anyway. Bad looking doesn't equal bad at sex, anymore than good looking equals good at sex.
You may, I speculate, look at Ron Jeremy and find it hard to imagine why any woman, let alone a queer one, would have sex with him unless she was being paid lots of money. I wouldn't agree. He's not conventionally handsome, he's hairy, he's fat now too, but by male standards I'm sure he's still great at sex.
Ron Jeremy
Queer
Queer
Great photo
You and Syd look wonderful; thank you for the photo.
I identify as queer also while in my particular case I only have sex with women; I like how queer embraces sexuality, gender, kink, and a mindset.
Cheers!
sol omnibus lucent
Hi Madison,
It's really great to see you posting here.
I do understand (I think) why some bi people prefer to call themselves queer and not bi but I really don't agree with it at all. Because being bisexual doesn't mean you have to be binary in your sexual preferences. Being bisexual doesn't have to preclude relationships with people of all, or any, gender identities.
Haven't you ever noticed that quite a lot of transgendered people identify as bisexual? I'm seeing a transman at the moment who does. To me queer is an umbrella term that covers all lgbti people.
To me being bisexual has nothing whatsoever to do with having a binary view of gender and sexuality because a binary view of gender and sexuality is what lies at the very core of biphobic prejudice. I.E. Biphobia essentially says everyone is either straight or gay or they should be - being bisexual is not legitimate you have to choose to be straight or gay and fit the binary paradigm that is essential to maintaining the heterosexist, monosexist, homophobic, anti-queer status quo.
With all due respect - and I do really genuinely respect you for the work you do in porn and your Femina Potens project - identifying yourself as lesbian on Myspace (& now in your new AE profile I notice) when you not only have sex with men in porn but currently have a bio male primary partner in real life is frankly ridiculous - and just disrespectful to lesbians and bisexual women. And doing it in the capacity of a porn star you are helping undermine the lesbian identity of homosexual women who have to fend off the advances of men whose notion of lesbianism is informed by pornography where actively bisexual women are routinely called lesbians. And you are also failing to support your bi identified sisters and brothers (bio and trans) whose identity and sexual orientation is constantly being questioned, derided and denied.
You are bi Madison. Seriously how can you say you are not bi? You are bi for the world to see online and on dvd. You are a bisexual queer. Not a lesbian queer. You are a bisexual porn star because you have sex with females and males in porn. You should be proud of it. That is MHO.
Granted you are a lot more queer than most bisexual female porn stars though :)
Doesn't your butch AVN date identify as Bi btw? Isn't this Syd Blakovich's official MySpace? I'm not sure:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=7945661
Congratulations on your red carpet appearance together. There's been some stuff going around the biz that someone - an AVN official? Or your agent??? - tried to physically prevent Syd joining you on the carpet. I know you had to go back for her when she got left behind.
This has led to some gossip and speculation about AVN being anti-queer, anti-butch dyke, anti- "real" lesbians etc. And something that I picked up from all this is that there seems to be a very definite issue of discrimination that has to be addressed and challenged at AVN in the future.
Apparently the winner of the "Transsexual Performer of the Year" is not allowed to collect their award in person - it just "comes up on the screen" and that's it - and this is the only performer category this applies to.
Also it seems that last year's Transsexual Performer of the Year (and the first ever f2m winner) Buck Angel was not only not allowed to collect his award - he wasn't allowed on the red carpet either.
Buck - the man with a pussy - who does males, females, shemales, transmen and transwomen in porn and has a wife in real life really does make a lot more sense to me than you do on the subject of bisexuality and gender ambiguity btw
Quotes from an interesting interview with him:
http://www.buttmagazine.com/?p=436
So when you describe yourself as 'a man with a pussy' it's not just for shock value.
Exactly. It's showing the world that I don't care what it thinks about me. When I started doing porn I never wanted to be Mr Spokesman or anything, but I guess because I was the first – a pioneer – it has transcended porn. It's more than simply saying 'I have a pussy' and becomes about demonstrating how there are different things in the world: especially all different types of sexuality. That needs to be done, because look, for example, at how down people still are on bisexuality. It's really fascinating: even in the gay community, bisexuals are so looked down upon.
Aren't people suspicious that individuals use the ambiguity that often surrounds bisexuality to hide their true sexuality?
But why is it such a problem? The thing is I am totally bisexual. I'm always being asked, 'Are you straight, gay or lesbian?' or whatever and I've never understood that. I've just never liked the labels. And what freaks people out is that Buck Angel doesn't have a label.
There you go - "totally bisexual". As in totally sexual. Buck's happy to work with whatever you've got :)
Judy Star
LOL, I never thought to look
LOL, I never thought to look for that on Youtube. I was actually gonna buy the movie to see that interview.
*well, shit. I just noticed that video was just put up a couple of days ago*
This is the interview from "Bait" right?
Viv Thomas' girls
A lot of Viv Thomas' girls are real bisexuals (with real boobs) and a few of them are in relationships with their colleagues. Sandra Shine (said her stage name's in honour of an ex gf though now engaged to a boy), Stella Stevens, Vera, Jo (V&J are a couple), Sophie Moon said to have had gfs, Peaches is in a relationship with fellow star Gina B, as are Helena and Nelly. I'm sure there are a lot others. Most if not all are Eastern Europeans/Hungarians.
I love Viv. :D If you haven't seen his lesbian works you're so missing out. Sapphic Erotica is amateur compared to him and his.
I'm highly trained. Allow me to examine your breasts.
Well they broke up a while ago
Just a lil update for you on that Nelly/Helena tip. There were together when Nelly made her VT debut in Office Girls but now Nella is rumored to be dating Mia.
And really Vera & Jo are a couple???!!! How do you find out about this stuff? Its not exactly on "Entertainment Tonight"!
http://jusjay.blogspot.com
who's Mia? I love Nella
I'm curious
I'm curious if any of these women will start marrying each other now that it's legal in California, the porn capitol of America, as opposed to the "female porn stars inevitably end up married to ugly straight guys" rule they seem to follow.
I have a co-worker who used to be a "dancer" and met a fair number of women in the business. She said Jenna Jameson is a b)tch, and Julia Ann was friendlier than Janine.
I don't think Helena and
I don't think Helena and Nelly are together anymore. Then there's Stephanie Adams, who isn't a porn star, but is a Playboy Playmate and she's a full blown lesbian. There was another Playboy Playmate Laurie Wallace who had sex with a number of female celebrities...as did Penthouse Pet Megan Mason.
I almost forgot..lol...the women who appear in movies like the Women Seeking Women series are genuine lesbians and/or bisexuals. A lot of those movies are filmed and directed by lesbians. They aren't gonna allow gay for pay chicks (like Kira Kenner or Tera Patrick) all up in their films.
Stephanie Adams
She Magazine -- Cover Feature -- February 2003
"The other day, I heard our managing editor say to a friend, "Our February issue has it all. Not only is it our anniversary issue, complete with our annual face-lift, but it is also our annual sex issue. The only thing we could do to top that would be a naked woman on the cover." Well, we may not have a completely naked woman on the cover, but we came about as close as it gets with Stephanie Adams, Playboy's Miss November 1992. As she celebrated her 10-year anniversary as a Playboy spokesperson, Stephanie decided it was time to publicly come out of the closet, exclusively with She. Megan Cossey talks with Stephanie about her experience as a centerfold and spokesperson, discovering her true sexuality, her life partner and more." -Sandee Birdsong
Pioneering Playmate
As the first Playboy centerfold to come out of the closet, Stephanie Adams is hopping down a brand new bunny trail.
FROM THE COVER
By Megan Cossey
(Photos: Stephanie Adams)
According to her Playboy playmate online profile, Miss November 1992 Stephanie Adams' turn-ons include Strawberries and cream, big cats, fast cars, Nintendo, kisses and music. She loves painting, reading and traveling and hopes to one day be a successful actress.
Nowhere does it mention that she also really likes women.
Of course, as Adams points out, her Playboy persona is not the real her. No kidding. Her Playboy Cyber-Club bio also states that her "Prince Charming" is "Good looking, successful, intelligent, and willing to do anything to make me happy," a bill her current girlfriend may indeed fit - minus one big sticking point.
Last December, the 32 year-old Playboy spokesperson, model and November 1992 centerfold, sat down with She magazine amidst the afternoon clatter of a West Village diner in New York City and opened up about ex-boyfriends and an ex-husband, the dawning realization of her sexuality while working in an industry that portrays its models as heterosexual by default and the love that finally gave her the determination to be the first Playboy model to come out publicly as a lesbian.
365Gay.com -- Media Maven By Madge Mucker
(Photo: Stephanie Adams)
Playboy centerfold Stephanie Adams is the first playmate to come out according to She Magazine. Adams, who bared all for Playboy in November 1992 gives an exclusive interview to the magazine and opened up about ex-boyfriends and an ex-husband, the dawning realization of her sexuality while working in an industry that portrays its models as heterosexual by default and the love that finally gave her the determination to be the first Playboy model to come out publicly as a lesbian.
"Just because you're a pretty Playmate doesn't mean you're [necessarily] looking for a guy," she says. "You can also be gay." Stephanie also speaks about her current girlfriend and future plans.
BlackGayUK.com
(Photo: Stephanie Adams)
Stephanie Adams is the first Playboy Centerfold in history to ever come "out" as a lesbian. Stephanie has recently embarked upon a New World and become a published author. Her books are primarily based upon astrology, new age, spirituality and metaphysics, and are scheduled to come out in major bookstores worldwide between October and December of 2003, with additional books scheduled to come out in 2004.
MyGayWeb.com
(Photo: Stephanie Adams)
Stephanie Adams is the first Playboy Centerfold in history to ever come "out" as a lesbian. Stephanie is the Founder of Sapphica. Sapphica is an online lesbian community that offers an extensive selection and comprehensive collection of lesbian resources, lesbian celebrity photo galleries, lesbian art, lesbian poetry, lesbian horoscopes, lesbian psychic readings, lesbian tarot readings, lesbian love readings and more.
OutInNYC.com
(Photo: Stephanie Adams)
Stephanie Adams is the first Playboy Centerfold in history to ever come "out" as a lesbian. Stephanie is the Founder of Sapphica. Sapphica is a leading online lesbian community that offers an extensive selection and comprehensive collection of lesbian resources.
Even though Stephanie Adams is the first playmate and the second model in the industry to come "out" as a lesbian (the first was supermodel Gia Carangi), she is more than just a Playboy Centerfold. Stephanie has recently embarked upon a New World and become a published author. Her books are primarily based upon astrology, new age, spirituality and metaphysics, and are scheduled to come out in major bookstores worldwide by the end of August 2003, with additional books scheduled to come out in 2004.
She Magazine -- Powerful Reading For Fall By Diane Wilde -- September 2003
(Photo: Sapphica Book By Stephanie Adams)
Sapphica, Astrology for Lesbians Stephanie Adams Unlike most astrology love guides that insist we're out there searching for "Mr. Right" (who, for us would be oh so wrong), Stephanie addresses scenarios between star crossed lovers who happen to both be women. You might remember Stephanie as the beautiful ex-Playboy Bunny who graced our cover several months ago; she is also a highly spiritual and enlightened woman who has gifted us with her knowledge regarding what works in a relationship between two signs and what doesn't. Written with humor and honesty, she reveals what it will really be like between every possible combination of sun signs together. No B.S. from our gal; she tells like it is - or rather how it would be if, say an Aries got "bullish" on a Taurus. Just met a Libra and you're a Capricorn? You'll definitely want to know Stephanie's take on the two of you together. Want to find out how your relationship wanna-be would really be? Better buy the book!
Stephanie Adams no longer
Stephanie Adams no longer labels herself as lesbian:
New York City Playboy Centerfold Stephanie Adams Releases GODDESSY 2007 Books
"Adams is no longer labeling herself as a "lesbian", but remains a supporter of the gay and lesbian community, and can always be referred to as the "goddess" of GODDESSY." http://www.prwebdirect.com/releases/2007/2/prweb504164.htm
Perhaps this is because she is in relationship with a man again. Or maybe she's just acknowledging that she did have feelings for at least some of the men she had relationships with before she came out as a lesbian.
Gia Carangi wasn't exclusively lesbian, although there's no doubting she was mostly into women. Did she ever officially actually come out as a lesbian publicly? I'm not aware that she did.
There is also Courtney
There is also Courtney Cummz.
She says that she is bisexual, and in fact when offered the chance to direct her own movie, she chose to do a lesbian film. No sex toys were used, and I remember reading that she specifically chose other women who were themselves bisexual. The movie is Pussy Cats and it's very good. Better than most non-Viv Thomas lesbian movies.
Teagan Presley, Sophia
Teagan Presley, Sophia Santi, Shay Jordan Sasha Grey (yes I like Digital Playground), and Carmen Luvana (just to name a few) have all said that they're bi. They probably mean, I sleep with women but won't date them, but at least they've said it and haven't taken it back. In a recent interview, Teagan was asked if she still liked girls she said yes. Sophia Santi has done mostly g/g scenes and says she's into girl's offscreen. She and Shay Jordan appear in her behind the scenes on her DVD's and they're always flirting and talking about wanting to sleep with women (outside of work), and I don't think they would have to act for that. Carmen Luvana says that she's bi and loves girl in her private life. I think is some interview she's said that she couldn't give up women for men.
It's strange because many porn stars say that they're bi, with the exeption of Tera Patrick, who has always made it know that she was straight, (until recently but I have a feeling it's because she's fighting to regain popularity...
It's also weird that Jenna Jameson said that she's straight because she's been SO open about her love for women. Even when she was married to Jay Grdina she always made it known that she loved women...I didn't want to jump on the "ragonJennacauseshe'sgonecrazy" bandwagon, but seriously? Hetero? Jenna Jameson? I don't think so...
Was it on Pop Tarts you
Was it on Pop Tarts you read about Jenna Jameson now saying she's straight?
I'm not at all sure that article is genuine. But even if it is Jenna has also said in the past that she thinks she might be a lesbian - with it has to be said a very worried look on her face. If you ask me she's bisexual, of course she is, but she's clearly rather uncomfortable about people thinking she's gay.
So if she's saying she's straight now that could be why. Anyway, it's certainly true that most of the women and many of the men who work in the adult entertainment industry are bisexual, at least to some degree. And not just the performers. Even Hugh Hefner isn't exactly straight. He's admitted to some bisexual experimentation with men back in the 1970's and he's known to enjoy watching gay male porn.
I think I should mention some female porn stars I know about who are known to now be in committed same-sex relationships since retiring from porn.
Annie Sprinkle - who didn't wait for same-sex marriage to become legal in California - she married her partner Beth in Canada in 2007.
http://www.torontolife.com/features/double-exposure/
Tracey Adams
Dani Woodward
Also pornstar turned porn director Skye Blue identifies as lesbian - nothing about that on wikipedia incidentally, or that for around 10 years she did nearly all her sex scenes with her then real life partner Summer Cummings who is bisexual. Skye did an interesting interview with Curve a while back.
Interesting
Jenna Haze did a scene with a girl named Luna in the Randy West series "I Love Lesbians" and after it was over, while basking in the, ahem, afterglow, Luna tells Jenna she wants to do it again without cameras around the next time. Jenna seemed to like that idea. Heh heh.
Havana Ginger (who is so fine, BTW) dated Jasmine Byrne (who is also fine) for a short period of time.
Tera Patrick isn't fooling anyone. It's quite obvious she don't dig chicks. Look at the bafoon she's married to. You would have to be totally straight to be into that dude yo.
I agree that a lot of female porn stars/adult perfomers (i.e. Penthouse Pets, Playboy Playmates, Hustler chicks, strippers) would engage in sex with a woman off screen, they just wouldn't date them....you know, cuz that's gay.
Nina Hartley and her husband shared a girlfriend for a while.
If you're referring to Nina
If you're referring to Nina Hartley's 20 year relationship with Bobby Lilly who she referred to as her wife, I'm not sure she did share Bobby with her then husband Dave. I think it was more a case that Dave and Bobby both had a relationship with Nina, not that Dave and Bobby were also in a sexual relationship with each other.
Anyway, Nina's always had girlfriends when she's been with a man. She did an interesting and funny celesbian interview with Julie Goldman. You should check it out if you haven't done so already.
Sharon Mitchell is another very famous bisexual (probably more gay than straight) pornstar who should be mentioned. She did a movie with Nina called "Suburban Dykes" for the lesbian owned company Fatale Media.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Mitchell
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Some info about Bobby Lilly
Some info about Bobby Lilly here: http://www.ffeusa.org/html/speakers/lilly.html
The article on AVN was then I would guess about a girlfriend (probably another bi pornstar) Nina shares with her current and second husband who is a porn director.
That sounds about right
Yeah, that sounds familiar.
As for finding out info about some of the stars....they always give interviews to various adult publications. I read Rog's for the most part cuz I find him hilarious. rogreviews.com....um, it's not work friendly :)
Yeah, Tera Patrick has gone
Little Help
Wikipedia is a good place
Wikipedia is a good place to start researching this subject and there are already a number of links to wiki pages in this thread.
The list of bisexual pornstars quoted by the thread starter is far from complete. There are many more bisexual performers to be found in the main lists of pornstars on wikipedia.
Bear in mind also that the info on wikipedia is far from infallible and frequently updated and modified. And also that the question of sexual orientation is a controversial one. Some believe that a person who has consensual sex with both men and women is bisexual regardless of why they do it.
I basically agree with that. Bisexual doesn't necessarily mean bi-emotional.
For example. The stated orientation for Dani Woodward switches from lesbian to bisexual back to lesbian back to bisexual quite frequently
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dani_Woodward
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dani_Woodward&oldid=212114109 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dani_Woodward&oldid=180452562 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dani_Woodward&oldid=125058824
She identifies herself as lesbian on her myspace page http://www.myspace.com/daniwoodward
She lives with her long term girlfriend and may well never have had any romantic feelings for a man. However if Dani doesn't enjoy sex with men on some level then I have to say she really is the most extraordinary method actress.
Also although there are bisexual identified pornstars who only do girl/girl on there, lesbian/dyke identified pornstars who only have/had sex with women in porn, like Alexi Defeu, Shar Rednour and Niki Clover are currently no where to be found on the wikipedia listings. Something really should be done about that. Does it have to be me that does that?
I found some stuff on
I found some stuff on Wiki. The only stuff I trust on Wiki is the stuff that is referenced. Usually they'll reference an article or interview.
I usually look for interviews the stars have given. Usually in the extras of their DVDs or an online interview. Granted, porn stars tend to lie a lot. An interview is probably the only close to trustworthy source you can have.
Celesbian Interview with Nina Hartley
Nina identifies herself as a lesbian identified bisexual or as a heterosexual bull dyke.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=34875836
Here it is on AE
http://www.afterellen.com/blog/sarahwarn/celesbian-interviews-nina-hartley
myspace
is also as good as an interview if you find the official websites of the girls.
Celeste Star-a really beautiful young girl, I believe she was a Penthouse Pet..I'm too lazy to go check my info.
Stacy Valentine, who retired a long time ago, was dating some woman while in the industry.
Olivia O'Lovely who is openly bisexual and dated Flower Tucci (according to Wikipedia)
Brianna Love. There is a scene in the Women Seeking Women series where she has sex with a woman while being visibly pregnant.
Alicia Rio was (is?) in a relationship with some chick for four years but Rio sounds like a hot mess, with drug use and shit.
Sammie Rhodes is another one
You guys should be ashamed......
All this knowledge about porn stars has put me to shame.
*goes to download some "research"*
And I thought I watched a lot of porn.
One question: who watches porn for the interesting plots? anyone?
*looks around....ahhh 98% downloaded!*
Interesting plots in porn
Interesting plots in porn movies are rare and not really necessary. However considering your choice of avatar, if you're looking for intelligent scripts, ideas and story lines in lesbian porn then I can highly recommend the work of lesbian director Maria Beatty of Bleu Productions.
Personally what I want most from porn is hot real sex - which you also get with Maria Beatty. I'm sure she wouldn't hire an actress who wasn't into women for a lesbian scene.
Also as long as I'm convinced the sex is real - as in mutually enjoyable and not just being engaged in for the money, I find I'm equally happy, depending on my mood to some degree, to watch 2 women, a woman and a man, or 2 men. Or groups, or trannies.
Transman Buck Angel is an f2m queer/bisexual pornstar who I find a lot hotter and way more interesting as a person than Jenna Jameson, whether he's having sex with a man, a woman, an m2f or an f2m.
And I've read that Tristan Taormino - another queer woman working in the adult business - feels much the same way as me about porn.
Love your "passion"...
See I almost look at porn and the industry in some fucked up anthropological testimony where what parts of mainstream culture are being mocked are taken to an edge vs porn that explores sub-cultures such as BONDAGE!!!! {See you got me all excited} I like reading articles about the in and outs of porn industry and watching porn in all it's forms (web, live, hentai (japansese animated porn) the whole bits.
My fancy is bondage, some froms of hentai (with bondage), and just foreplay bondage without any penetration, it's a mind feast for me. I also enjoy the actions of anyone really having good hot sex. I consider watching porn with friends a fun group activity!
I grew VERY tired of Jenna Jameson and most of the "popular" porn stars mainly for the fact I do not like the aesthetic these women have and the porn that they do, it so ugly and fake to me. With that said I'm not into the whole amatuer thing BUT...I do like a glossed up girl in a red vaccum vinyl suit, or tied up in black rope sus...errr yea happy times!
I like plots why I do not know, maybe this is why I love Showgirls so much; a bad plot that reminds me of a soft-core porn on cinemax....
lol, check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H2QvBKoo5M
Someone thought the plot was so good, they made a tribute music video.
I wouldn't know it was for a porn flick if I hadn't known of the movie before I saw the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e1SyJSTjqY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiO03D_FDKs
Why you should consider your actors before you get too immersed in a plot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTdgwXpcGc0
God I'm "ghey"...
Thanks for the links, I was listening to George Micheals' "freedon 90" song instead of whatever what was originally playing and it showed me a lovely things that went on while I was watching it. As for the plot, I do not know since I could not download it!!!! >_<
I'm a sucker for what is a "good plot"; I forget I'm watching it and get surprised by every sex scene. It's like living a happy existance; which is rare to come by these days, yay for porn!!!!
So yah, plot is key for me, the element of surprise is important!!!
I don't care anything about
I don't care anything about a plot. LOL. Let's just get to the sex, man. When Jenna Jameson first started, she was young, fresh, and she had her natural boobs....she stayed in porn ten years too long, IMO. Chasey Lain (who loved her some women), who was so beautiful..those eyes were amazing is a damn meth head now. SMH.
Yeah, that Unfaithful thing is a whole series. The 4th installment will be out later this month.
Pixie
"Gia Carangi wasn't exclusively lesbian, although there's no doubting she was mostly into women. Did she ever officially actually come out as a lesbian publicly? I'm not aware that she did."
Ahh, she was a lesbian from what I've gotten. I've heard from more than one source that knew her that, after 18, the only times she slept with men were if she didn't have money to pay for a drug fix or a place to stay. There were apparently some men that decided to add her as a notch after she died but again been told it was BS. She was a butch woman who had zero interest in men (actually finding sex with men disgusting).
As for lesbian porn star, the retired and adorable Pixie (also known as Nadia), apparently is lesbian off screen (as well as mainly on screen - did a few boy-girl stuff early in career). What's interesting is more than one person involved in porn told me that many women who only do woman-woman are completely straight off screen and, get this, many women, who only do men-women are completely lesbian off screen. Heard stories of women bringing their girlfriend to set when they have a scene with a man. Now that takes one non-jealous girlfriend to handle that to say the least.
I know you're quoting me
I know you're quoting me but I don't think Gia Carangi is really relevant to this topic as she wasn't a porn star of any description. I wasn't saying she did or didn't consider herself a lesbian - don't pretend to know. I was questioning whether she ever actually publicly came out as one.
I don't think Pixie did do any boy/girl early in her career. She did do some in the last year she worked in porn. I've read that she's bisexual in real life. Which I take to mean she could be in a same-sex or an opposite sex relationship, and has probably been in both. I do know that a lot of her fans - male as well as female - wanted her to be lesbian in real life as well as on screen and that doing some boy/girl scenes wasn't a very good career move for her.
Some people involved in porn don't really "get" bisexuality any more than a lot of other people do - despite the fact that bisexuality is so prevalent among porn performers.
These people will still make the mistake of assuming someone they see with an opposite sex partner is straight and someone with a same-sex partner is gay/lesbian.
To give just one example to illustrate my point - there was a period in her life when Jenna Jameson was completely lesbian off screen. Now she's saying she's completely heterosexual - hence this thread.
The other thing is there aren't actually that many women in porn who only do men-women. There are a lot more who only do women-women. I'm not saying there aren't any lesbians who only do men on screen - but I seriously do not believe there's "many". There can't be, because female porn performers who don't do any lez at all are so rare - at least in the US and Europe. And there certainly are in that minority of women who don't do any lez, women who don't do it because they're actually totally straight and the idea of doing it with a woman disgusts them - or at least has no interest for them.
I've tried to find out about lesbians in porn who only do men and I haven't been able to find firm evidence of any. Women who identify as lesbian who do b/g and g/g yes - like Judy Starr and Danni Woodward, who've already been mentioned earlier here. And women who identify as lesbian and only do g/g - yes. But lesbians who only do men in porn - can you name one?
Sharon Mitchell did very little with men - but she did do some. And although I've heard she's with a woman now she has also been married to at least one man in the past.
Bringing spouses on set
Fazed?
It's not unlikely that she finds it a turn-on to see her man with another man.
They make bisexual porn as well you know. Bisexual porn typically means a threesome with 2 men and 1 woman. The guys both have sex with her and each other and she's turned on by the male-on-male action and encourages it - sometimes she even initiates it.
Oh please
I'm not getting bent out of
I'm not getting bent out of shape over anything Just chatting :)
You may be fully aware of it but I still encounter people all the time who are very incredulous when you tell them there are a lot of women who are turned on by male-on-male action and who not only watch gay male porn but will spend their money on it.
That particular woman in HBO documentary might, or might not be turned on by her husband having sex with men in porn. And perhaps she just gets turned on by all the money he makes doing it.
I see
Viv Thomas' A-list Actress *swoon*
I just wanted to take this RARE opprotunity to express my love for a chick I've had a crush on for like 2 years now! lol.....someone linked one of her films above
Here is Nelly/Nella...just a few pics
ok, that last one might have been a bit racy but....yeah I had never actually, voluntarily watched porn until I discovered Viv Thomas so I was blown away by the movies I saw. Good music, good story, relatively realistic sex and sometimes - dare I say lovemaking. And Nelly is actually a really good actress. How do I know? Would you believe Viv's movies involve dialogue??? I suggest every lesbian watch "Unfaithful part 3" at least once. Anyway Nelly is Bisexual, and even has a girlfriend and fan vids made in honor of her and her girlfriend on Youtube....that is not her girlfriend in the pic above lol
http://jusjay.blogspot.com
Viv