You might as well start packing up. 

Even if Obama wins, I really don't think there's gonna be this drastic 'change' everyone's hoping for.  He's still a politician; meaning, a lot of talk, very little action.

I'd hate for people to get their hopes up only to see us in Iraq for at least four more years, gas prices ever increasing, and more people out of home and health care.

Revolutionary change has to start with us, not some politician.

he understands the fight for equal rights, he sees it as nothing more than that- a fight for equality. 

set aside the fact that he's a politician, he is not mccain. he is not a bigot, he is not an elitest (did you hear about mccain not paying taxes on his 7 homes for the last 4 years? the county of la jolla is catching up to him and his unpaid taxes on a condo, and it aired on progressive radio this morning)

the point is, mccain was in a war. woohoo. that doesnt make him qualified. obama is, not as well as we'd like, but much more so than this warhawk.

he's getting my vote, because well..he's no doubt the lesser of two evils. plus, he's not a misognyistic pig...like mcbush.

From my overseas perspective? Your last Republican president was a dangerous fucking joke.

I'm feelin' the Obamarama. In so much that I don't trust any politician, but find him to be the better of the multitude of evils American politics seems to vomit up.

Obama is the lesser of two evils as far as I am concerned.  I don't trust either candidate.  Obama has begun to worry me a lot lately because of this 'whitey' rant tape.  I think the tape probably does exist, but I hope I am wrong.  For anyone who isn't aware of what I am referring to, here's a clip:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=91c_1214090026

Seems unlikely that the tape was for sale on a website though.  We'd have seen it by now then.

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book called 'a people's history of the United states' It's by Howard Zinn, he's a bit of an Anarchist!

he kind puts the point of view across that the democratic party are in general the lesser of two evils. All their candidates run on the idea of real change but never actually live up to it. If you go back as far as the founding of the US. Although the constitution is a nice basis for a society and the bill of rights, the governmental system itself was only set up to have an appearance of democracy but the original parties, the wigs and republicans actually believed in the same things. This seemed to carry on in the 19th and 20th Centuries where in one case a letter was found from a republican talking about the elections saying, it doesn't matter if the democrats win, it won't make a difference to the country! apart from the FDR's presidency where there was real change in the country (although that's only my opinion) there has been no president that has really worked for the rights of the people. I fear Obama will be The Same! obviously now a US president comes with foreign policy issues aswell but many Americans seem to feel that the ecoonomy is more important than foreign policy at the moment (hence why Obama has a 4 point lead in the polls). I still worry that Obama will just get into the white house and not really do anything as most democrats have done in the past democratic presidencies. It's really annoying that the Republicans run around doing everything they want to do during their presidencies with the force of hell behind them and the democrats sitting on their arses just to make sure they win re-election. Did you know that between them, Regan and Bush snr appointed of 800 judges between their 12 years in office! all of them right wing, pro-life, anti-gay. etc!

If Obama does get in he won't have to uphold his policy of the campaign, we've seen already that he likes to go back on his word (see public vs private finance issue) and it annoys me!

However i think he's a better option to Mcain any day. We don't want another 4 years of Bush!

Also it annoys me that people like ralph Nader can't get elected just because they're not best friends with big business so can't get included, i also don't love the electoral system so much in the that way as it means on the the nominations from the two major parties have a chance!

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"laugh, laugh on at all the dreams that i the dreamer dare to weave,
laugh on, that i sitll belive in the people, for I still belive in life"

a bout lincoln. However JFK is a different matter, he too inspired hope in a people (and i'm being blunt here so excuse me) but not because he was a great president, he hardly did anything, but because he was shot. Now LBJ he introduced a ton of really great bills and actually fufilled kennedy's new frontier (LJB's great society) i think only by riding on the wave of Greif at Kennedy's death, also he was a southern president! but he managed to screw all that up wiht the Vietnam war. Nice one....

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"laugh, laugh on at all the dreams that i the dreamer dare to weave,
laugh on, that i sitll belive in the people, for I still belive in life"

I was a Clinton supporter, but honestly, I'd much rather have ANY Democrat win.. just as long as McCain doesn't  

~ I need you like a heart needs a beat ~ 

I definetly agree that he is still a politician meaning taking money for favors from lobbyists and that sorta thing, However, the American people can use a little hope right now with gas prices,mortgage crisis, and the whole economy going down the toilet despite how arrogant and naive our current president from hell might think otherwise.Plus OBAMA is just what we need to rebuild our image with our mates all over the world. He has visited numerous countries in an effort to rebuild our relationships with our fallen allies. Just today he was in Berlin communicating the same message. So for him to loose this election, the world is still going to see us as an evil domineering power hungry and not to mention racist nation. And if Mccain wins prepare yourself for some World War 3 action.

Well as a Canadian I'm not fond of Obama's stance on NAFTA. The recession the US is faced with (and therefore Canada by association) is bad news for trade, which only stands to reason that free trade is a legitimate method to avoid further complications. Economically speaking, McCain has a much stronger vision for the future of the US (tax cuts, support of NAFTA, etc.) and it's not all a bunch of hot air for the sake of saying something monumental.

However, Obama is a strong social liberal so he's found a place in my heart. He seems like a genuinely good-natured man. Now, the relevance of his character in regards to the presidency is disputable.

In a real dark night of the soul it is always three o'clock in the morning, day after day.

Here's Obama on trade.  www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#trade

Trade

Obama believes that trade with foreign nations should strengthen the American economy and create more American jobs. He will stand firm against agreements that undermine our economic security.

• Fight for Fair Trade: Obama will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. He will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks. Obama will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and nontariff barriers on U.S. exports.
• Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.
• Improve Transition Assistance: To help all workers adapt to a rapidly changing economy, Obama would update the existing system of Trade Adjustment Assistance by extending it to service industries, creating flexible education accounts to help workers retrain, and providing retraining assistance for workers in sectors of the economy vulnerable to dislocation before they lose their jobs.

Here's Obama on green jobs.  www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#trade

Invest in the Manufacturing Sector and Create 5 Million New Green Jobs

• Invest in our Next Generation Innovators and Job Creators: Obama will create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to identify and invest in the most compelling advanced manufacturing strategies. The Fund will have a peer-review selection and award process based on the Michigan 21st Century Jobs Fund, a state-level initiative that has awarded over $125 million to Michigan businesses with the most innovative proposals to create new products and new jobs in the state.
• Double Funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership: The Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) works with manufacturers across the country to improve efficiency, implement new technology and strengthen company growth. This highly-successful program has engaged in more than 350,000 projects across the country and in 2006 alone, helped create and protect over 50,000 jobs. But despite this success, funding for MEP has been slashed by the Bush administration. Barack Obama will double funding for the MEP so its training centers can continue to bolster the competitiveness of U.S. manufacturers.
• Invest In A Clean Energy Economy And Create 5 Million New Green Jobs: Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial scale renewable energy, invest in low emissions coal plants, and begin transition to a new digital electricity grid. The plan will also invest in America's highly-skilled manufacturing workforce and manufacturing centers to ensure that American workers have the skills and tools they need to pioneer the first wave of green technologies that will be in high demand throughout the world.
• Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies: The Obama plan will increase funding for federal workforce training programs and direct these programs to incorporate green technologies training, such as advanced manufacturing and weatherization training, into their efforts to help Americans find and retain stable, high-paying jobs. Obama will also create an energy-focused youth jobs program to invest in disconnected and disadvantaged youth.
• Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs: The Obama plan will create new federal policies, and expand existing ones, that have been proven to create new American jobs. Obama will create a federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) that will require 25 percent of American electricity be derived from renewable sources by 2025, which has the potential to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs on its own. Obama will also extend the Production Tax Credit, a credit used successfully by American farmers and investors to increase renewable energy production and create new local jobs.

Here's Obama on jobs through infrastructure improvement.  www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#trade

New Jobs Through National Infrastructure Investment

Barack Obama believes that it is critically important for the United States to rebuild its national transportation infrastructure – its highways, bridges, roads, ports, air, and train systems – to strengthen user safety, bolster our long-term competitiveness and ensure our economy continues to grow.

• Create a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank: Barack Obama will address the infrastructure challenge by creating a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank to expand and enhance, not supplant, existing federal transportation investments. This independent entity will be directed to invest in our nation’s most challenging transportation infrastructure needs. The Bank will receive an infusion of federal money, $60 billion over 10 years, to provide financing to transportation infrastructure projects across the nation. These projects will create up to two million new direct and indirect jobs per year and stimulate approximately $35 billion per year in new economic activity.

Here's Obama on jobs and technology.  www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#trade

Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs

Barack Obama will increase federal support for research, technology and innovation for companies and universities so that American families can lead the world in creating new advanced jobs and products.

• Invest in the Sciences: Barack Obama supports doubling federal funding for basic research and changing the posture of our federal government from being one of the most anti-science administrations in American history to one that embraces science and technology. This will foster home-grown innovation, help ensure the competitiveness of US technology-based businesses, and ensure that 21st century jobs can and will grow in America.
• Make the Research and Development Tax Credit Permanent: Barack Obama wants investments in a skilled research and development workforce and technology infrastructure to be supported here in America so that American workers and communities will benefit. Obama wants to make the Research and Development tax credit permanent so that firms can rely on it when making decisions to invest in domestic R&D over multi-year timeframes.
• Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Barack Obama believes we can get broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation's wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives.

www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#trade

Barack Obama's Record

• Housing: In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.
• Predatory Lending: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama called attention to predatory lending issues. Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbying the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.
• American Jobs: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.