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Does anyone have data from scientfic studies regarding lesbians/bi women

consider biology nurture vs. nature.   I would like to know peoples thoughts : are bisexual women as always bisexual throughout life or is bisexual happen once and a while throughout life. can lesbians consider themselves bisexual or is this a contradiction.

do  people feel homosexuality is more nurture than nature?

 or  is homosexuality more nature than nurture?    the reason I ask is a few studies I read about the evidnece does piont to nurture more so than nature. I was curious to see if any one has scientfic reasons to conture. 

 


rowdyanne27's picture

nature

I've always bought into the nature argument because I was nurtured to be straight and that didn't take :)

Anyway, if you want scientific studies on this check out www.PubMed.gov and do a search for homosexuality and genetics. There are scientific papers you can look through like this one:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12836730

you may only be able to see the abstracts though.

 

 

kbeen1's picture

thanks i'll be sure to check

thanks i'll be sure to check it out. before I explain myself to my mother and a few family members I want to have my facts strait and be able to contour any right wing rhedoric.
bestfriend's picture

Sappho

I've always been intrigued by Sappho, the ancient greek lesbian poet. Born 600BC. Lesbians have been around for a loooong time, I think its just natural for women. Unfortunately all her poetry was burned during the Christian crusades. So there is not much of her legacy left, but there is some info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sappho

In fact the word "Lesbian" comes from the town in Greece where she was from. More about her is found in some of Socrates writings. Socrates being gay himself, could relate to her. Heck, back in those days everyone was gay.

kbeen1's picture

yeah the intreating thing

yeah the intreating thing about greek civilazation is no scholarly historian knows where they came from and yes homosexuality was not a taboo in their socioty. They were okay with it and I think for men not to have homosexual experience was considered abnormal. the women as lesbians was accepted ...I think it was the romans who placed more of a double standard on women. and it might have been greece , lesbos island under the rule of rome where the reputation of lesbians also came as the greatest lover a man could have. I don't think the greeks had that same reputation from lesbos.
Cammy's picture

i'm not sure to be honest,

i'm not sure to be honest, because if it was genetic then there'd be more in my family, you would think. But i do think people are naturally gay or bi, and experiences influence it. My dad made me go into the woman's changing room at a v. young age by myself- so naturally naked woman were more normal than men(uch).

And I think life in general isn't purely nature or nuture. You need a balance of both like you may be naturally thin but if over nutured then that is more dominant in you're lifestyle and you may over-eat. I'm gonna stop because I've made my point that it is both that defines us, and I'd just be rambling.

annapro2's picture

Mother Nature Knows Best

Homosexuality exists in every species on earth so this alone proves the Nature theory.  

So many studies and opinions on this one...I once read a study about how they were trying to prove that a child's sexual orientation can be affected by a woman experiencing a traumatic experience while pregnant, for example if a woman were to experience a traumatic event such as a death in their family, etc...their child may be born gay...I am not kidding, money (likely government funding) was spent on this study...

If we are talking about the True lesbian, the one who knows from the time they are 5 years old they are attracted to women, and have absolutely no sexual attraction to men, then I say it is nature.

I know of other lesbians who have gay aunts, uncles and brothers in their families so this does support the idea of nature being the answer.  I think the statistics are a little off due to the older generation still being in the closet for the most part..a 100 years from now the study will prove more accurate because people are becoming less likely to hide their sexual orientation... 

The opinions of this topic are related to the individual's definition of "Lesbian"  I was born with blue eyes and a lesbian...two things I will always know, I will never have brown eyes and I will always wear comfortable shoes while driving my Subaru. 

 

 

 

bartojes's picture

Some evidence for both

The best place to look for reputable studies done on this subject would be academic journals (there are GLBT specific ones). I can access them through my university's website, but i dont know how the public could access them. Anyways, there is some evidence to suggest that prenatal hormones can play a role in homosexuality, specificaly for lesbians. For example high levels of prenatal testosterone can lead a female to exhibit some typicaly male qualities, like being attracted to women (see studies about second and third finger lengths).

I think nature and nurture play a role to varying degree depending on the individual. I dont think that you can blanket all homosexuals, or even lesbians, with one definite "cause." For some nature probably played a bigger role, and for others nurture may have played a bigger role.

kbeen1's picture

good point I agree 110%.

good point I agree 110%. Like not everyone can recieve the same meds and dose we all have individual health and mental being.
katenyc's picture

No proof but...

I certainly can't provide proof either way on sexuality being nature or nurture. However, I believe that people are born with their sexuality preference and that nobody chooses to be straight, gay/lesbian or bisexual. Fortunately, my parents are very open to whichever I choose and request no explanation. I have found out more recently that there are several lesbian and bisexual women in my family, of all ages. We also have a few men in the family who are known to be transvestite. However, we do not have any men in the family who are out as gay. There is definitely some truth in women who have always identified themselves as straight, but through negative experiences in their relationships with men, they lose faith in the male species causing them to open up to trying relationships or experiences with women. I do not know if this is the case for men although my feeling is that a straight man tends to stay straight (this statement is based purely on men that I know or have known.) I am open to considering that nurture has some role in this area, and religious upbringing may well have a major effect. Sadly, religion in many parts of the world still provides no room for people to be anything more than straight. My feeling is that nature is the dominant reason for sexual preference. Nurture can assist in providing acceptance or unfortunately forever keep a person in denial. It's an interesting question and thought, but I do feel disappointed that people (not in this blog) need to provide an explanation or reason for being anything but straight.
asrais's picture

There might be some nature

There might be some nature to it. But check out: http://www.queerbychoice.com

Why do we feel we need to defend who we love with biology? It's like having the gene for breast cancer or diabetes. Having the gene doens't mean you'll have either of those diseases. And not having the gene doesn't mean you'll never get those diseases.

The human brain and body is far more complex than we can ever hope to break it down. It's likely humans will never figure out the complex interaction of nature and biology.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/06/8767_science-gayness-matter.html

Don't present it to your family as a matter of biology. It's who you are. If it's important your family know your sexuality they can like it or lump it. I don't tell many people these kinds of things becuase it's none of their damn business.

kbeen1's picture

well for the most part my

well for the most part my family is accepting,but there are the family members who are just too religous. christians who are dead set agianst us and me and my "lifestyle". I want to have a good base of facts to deflect thier "I choose this" mentality or statments. I like to prove a point with my arguments and I think science is a strong basis to counter any bigotry. I have been in situations where I have heard family members total agreement of the right wing on the issue of gay marriage and how morally wrong it is. Then I hear the quotes from the bible and I am like ugh...dead sea scrolls? science just makes more sense to me than the bible anyway.
7Up's picture

I agree with asrai

I agree with asrai. The only people who really need to know if homosexuality is a natural phenomenon are people who are not gay, because they find it abnormal from the start. They will likely be people who are interested in "curing" homoseuality in the future, or end up aborting babys with 'genetic predispositions to homosexuality' in order not to have gay children. Sure, until then they will at least have a rational. Check out the movie with Jennifer Beals: Twighlight of the Golds, it's on Showtime these days, it's why a lot of people find the science explaination a real problem.

The other thing is that from every experience I've ever had with religious conservatives, if science contradicts what they have found comforting in their religious practices and community, then they will ignore science. How many religious conservatives believe in evolution for example. Unfortunately, the if they are homophobic, they will likely think that even if you are naturally in some way more homosexual leaning, that practicing homosexuality is still an abomination, and you should just live a straight life style even if your heart and body aren't in it.

The reality is some people do not accept it from the start and never will, but some learn to love their family even if it takes time. I've found that more often than not, if the people love you a lot before knowing, they'll eventually come around, and sometimes faster than you think.

kbeen1's picture

thanks that is true

thanks that is true religious people are just content to ignore scientfic evidence that stares them in the face...especially evolution ...oh my god the garden of eden not real?

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