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Hillary to withdraw tonight!

Officials: Clinton will concede delegate race to Obama 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton will concede tonight that Barack Obama has the delegates to secure the Democratic nomination, campaign officials said, effectively ending her bid to be the nation’s first female president.

The former first lady will stop short of formally suspending or ending her race in her speech in New York City. Obama is 40 delegates shy of clinching the nomination, but he is widely expected to make up the difference Tuesday with superdelegate support and votes in South Dakota and Montana. Once he reaches the magic number of 2,118, Clinton will acknowledge that he has secured the necessary delegates to be the nominee.

She will pledge to continue to speak out on issues like health care. But for all intents and purposes, the two senior officials said, the campaign is over.
Most campaign staff will be let go and will be paid through June 15, said the officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to divulge her plans.

The advisers said Clinton has made a strategic decision to not formally end her campaign, giving her leverage to negotiate with Obama on various matters including a possible vice presidential nomination for her. She also wants to press him on issues he should focus on in the fall, such as health care.

Universal health care, Clinton’s signature issue as first lady in the 1990s, was a point of dispute between Obama and the New York senator during their epic nomination fight.

http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080603/UPDATES01/80603010


The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

Ok, now her camp is saying

Ok, now her camp is saying the message is wrong, that it won't be tonight.... I almost started getting respect for her for doing the right thing and unifying... we shall see. Today is like the super bowl for those of us who are political junkies.
Radical Bradacal's picture

Uhm, really?

 

Firstly, it's not like Hillary has a ridiculously low amount of delegates, or has been running a pipe-dream campaign (like Ron Paul) ... she had a legitimate chance to win. And if you REALLY think that her quitting is going to "unify" the democratic party, I think you may be in for a rude awakening. The DNC has more problems than Hillary Clinton and when she will or will not conceed. Like deciding which platforms to support, and which to not (that's fairly important) ...

As for today being the super bowl for political junkies ... really? I would think that November is going to be the SUPER BOWL. Today is more like Wimbledon ... Americans know something is going on, but not much more than that.

Speak what we feel not what we ought to say...

The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

Are you kidding me? Obama

Are you kidding me? Obama has virtually had the primary locked up since Feb. Hillary has spun her version of things, but her facts have never been the real facts. I do not think Hillary's final concession will unify the party, unless that is what she wants to do and she does so in an enthusiastic way. With Hillary it's all about her, no matter how much she says she cares about the party and the country.

The DNC platform is pretty solid. Hillary and Obama had quite similar, though not identical policies. That will be the least of their problems. Hillary's, and to some extent Bill's, enthusiastic support and their ability to bring about Hillary's voters will show the type of leader she says she is.

True, November is an even greater superbowl, I guess I was talking about me and political junkies who only get to feel this type of excitement every 4 years.

 

Radical Bradacal's picture

Nope ... not kidding!

 

Since February? Now you're kidding me. Super Tuesday was no "clean sweep!" It's been a constant battle between the two since, and considering he only reached the magic number recently (as in NOT 4 months ago) ... I mean, are we counting on the same rating system? There was NO REASON for her to conceed until he reached that number, and now that he has it, she's conceeded. Yep, Hillary sure is a bad mama jama to be so selfish as to not quit even though she still had a legitimate chance. For such a political "junkie" you sure are idealistic.

"Her facts have never been facts?" Uhm, can you clarify that for me? That's a completely over-generalized statement that people like to use when they don't like someone, but don't have the ammunition to back it up.

So you're saying, if Hillary smiles, takes it up the ass, and says "please sir, may I have another?" she's going to magically unify the party?! Are you nuts?? The "party" hasn't been the same since 2000. The "party" has had no clear leadership since 2000. That 2004 election, if you recall, was the one Bush didn't jerry-rig, because he didn't have to, because the "party" was all over the map. And we really haven't recovered from that.

With Hillary it's all about her, no matter how much she says she cares about the party and the country

Wow. Really? REALLY? This is one of the most arrogant statements I've seen - you may as well be a conservative pundit with a statement like that! You're proving my point, exactly, as to how she cannot possibly (and single-handedly) "unify" the party. Your misplaced venom is astounding!

Again, your belief in the DNC platform is completely idealistic, for someone who claims to be a "political junkie." And excuse me, but candidate platforms and party platforms are NOT the same thing. It's the party I'm referring to ... you know, the one who wants our votes, but isn't standing up for our equal rights?

And while Hillary/Bill supporters are bummed out, most of us are not going to vote for McCain just because she didn't win. They don't have to be Democratic pied-pipers as you're painting them. That thread about "Hillary Supporters Count too" I think, is ridiculous. They don't need to call us out from the rocks and crags we will live in. We get the score.

"excitement" every 4 years, eh? Something tells me this has less to do with poilitics and more to do with ... but this off topic, and I digress.

Speak what we feel not what we ought to say...

The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

I hate to inform you that

 I'm really glad to  hear that most of Hillary's supporters aren't like the ones who go to that Hillary counts website. That's akin to biting off your nose to spite your face, IMHO.

I didn't say  since Super Tuesday, I said since February- when Obama won 11 straight races and the math was no longer realistic for Hillary. You must be using Hillary math rather than the math the rest of the country uses. While things may have been back and forth after Obama had the nomination virtually locked up, that didn't allow Hillary to catch up to him. Hillary had a substantial lead in super delegates at that time, because of political favors owed to the Clintons and name recognition. She lost many of those to Obama and undeclared super delegates started coming out for him. The only one person who changed from Obama was a person from Guam who Hillary had switch to Obama and then back to her to "prove" that the super D's could also leave from him. 

I hate to inform you that just because we disagree, that doesn't make you einstein and me forrest gump. Using capital letters to make your point doesn';t make it true.

The Democratic party is no longer the "clinton" party, Barack is now the leader of the party. The Clinton demise began when Nancy Pelosi took over as majority leader and they wanted someone else. The presidential candidate is generally considered the leader of the democratic party.

I have no idea what your beef about equal rights is and this election is. Hillary and some of her militant supporters have been imagining slights left and right. She's only using the fact that these perceived slights are because she's a woman to rile up a certain segment of the female population. If she thought the perceived slights could rile up people who live in Arkansas, she's use that to play the victim card.

There aren't enough women in government and in high power positions in USA government. There aren't enough blacks or gays or asians or muslims or jews or hispanics and just about every other minority, because for a very long time white christian men were the norm. I've been a political junkie since I was 4 years old, 40 years. I remember Bobby Kennedy's and MLK's deaths and how bummed my grandmother was when Nixon was elected. I have seen the percentage of women and other minorities grow in government. Has it grown fast enough? No, of course not, but societal change takes time.

Radical Bradacal's picture

My apologies ...

 

For the oh-so-gratuitous use of over capitalizing my words. I'm in Theatre, I have a flair for the dramatic. It was meant as emphasis, and nothing more.

And did you read my earlier post? Because at no point in time did I ever imply that you were stupid. I don't think I'm smarter than anyone, and I certainly don't think I'm Einstein (I barely made it out alive from HS Geometry!) ... I just want clarity on why you are so hell bent to speak against Hillary Clinton, which unfortunately, I have yet to glean from you (as well as those false facts you mentioned earlier!).

I will also add that NOTHING (Oops! Sorry! Habit!) in my post above is attacking Barrack Obama. My argument was one addressing yours, concerning this election that he supposedly "had in the bag" since February. I was listening to a very esteemed political historian last night on NPR (this capitalization is for the purposes of abbreviation only!), who confessed that there hadn't been such a dynamic, and close party race like this one (between Obama and Hillary) in a very long time.

Personally, I think your analysis of Hillary's attainment of "Super D's" is far-fetched and slightly paranoiac. I hope you realize that she still has a majority of the popular vote in leading states like California, while Barracks' "important" wins have been in caucus states. I just want you to give credit where credit is due, and respect the fact that a good portion of the democratic party supports Hillary Clinton.

I think you misunderstand my argument about the party versus the candidate. Political parties have platform issues that they run on. These are issues that members of said party look at and agree with - Pro-choice is a good example for the Democratic Party. Most members of the Democratic Party are Pro-Choice (though not all). These issues are decided upon and declared every four years at the convention. Now, the convention is also where the announcement for president occurs, but the presidential candidate does not decide upon the party platform - the delegates do that. The presidential candidate for the party is a figurehead. He/She is the "best" representative for the given party and their issues. We have candidate elections (primaries) in the hope of choosing the best "representative" for the party.

With that being said, I do not have a "beef" with equal rights as it pertains to THIS election, or any of the candidates. My "beef" is with the Democratic Party, because the PARTY (I'm so sorry!) has not stood up for gay/lesbian rights. The Party, however, recognizes that most gay/lesbians are registered, or at least tend, to vote for democratic candidates. I would like the Party to say, we believe in freedom for ALL, not just a few, not some, not even most - but ALL (I’m very passionate about the “all!”). I have yet to see this happen as a registered Democrat, and that is my only "beef" with this issue.

I haven't been trying to change your mind, I assure you. You're etched into your ideologies deeply! I think Barrack Obama is a fine man, and I'll be very happy to vote for him in November. Yet I do find your unwillingness to give Hillary any credit at all shocking and rather arrogant. I have read many of your posts on this matter, and you have continually tried to discount and belittle Senator Clinton, resorting to generalizations and grand, sweeping overtures about "unity." Hillary Clinton is not the devil, she is not the cause for all political ills, and I would advise you to turn your spite toward John McCain now, as that's the next monster that Good Sir Barrack needs to slay.

 

 

 

 

Speak what we feel not what we ought to say...

tigerlily26's picture

The sooner the better

At this point it's just a matter of time because it's mathematically impossible for her to get enough of the remaining delegates to win. Hopefully she will concede after Montana and South Dakota vote tomorrow. Dragging this thing out past any hope of victory is just prolonging the inevitable, distracting the party from preparing for the general election, and delaying the healing process. I didn't used to believe people who said Hillary wasn't above placing her own ambition ahead of the good of the party but lately I've started to wonder. 

 

Radical Bradacal's picture

"healing process?"

 

I still don't think any "unity" or "healing process" is going to magically happen just because she conceeds. Hillary Clinton cannot be single-handedly blamed for the damage to the democratic party.

Speak what we feel not what we ought to say...

PureReason's picture

I concur

 

that is all. ;)

The tyrannt has no idea of what she/he really wants!

Rachel19's picture

that sucks, i was hoping for

that sucks, i was hoping for clinton, if USA wants to play world police than I feel like I should be allowed to vote as well. To be honest this race between the 2 of em really disgust me it looks like one big pep rally.
Harpy's picture

Media, bleh

Sounds like the media trying to sway Clinton into withdrawing now.

Pyewacket's picture

That's exactly what I thought too.

More media crappola.
IllyriaElysium's picture

I second your bleh...

More like the media was trying to convince the pro-Hillary voters of South Dakota and Montana not to even bother showing up at the polls…

 I am so over the MSM. Remember when the media used report the news instead of try to make it?

blueinthefaceangel's picture

Hmmm I thought it was a good idea

Before i start yes I'm an Obama girl...

I always respected Hilary but I though it was wrong of her to try and prolong this battle with the MI and FL thing.It wasn't really fair .... Also some pepole are tired of this her prolonging it just seem to make it worse.They need to decide already and work on killing..I meanremovinf the Rep fro office.

 

 

"Has anyone seen Shane's Vigina?I think she dropped it somewhere." L word

Ed Would's picture

Hm.

"her leverage to negotiate with Obama on various matters including a possible vice presidential nomination"

American politics is so weird. Surely presenting a strong, united Democrat front would be better for all involved?

But I've seen what happens to people in these politics threads. I am not looking for a argument that I don't know enough about to possibly win.

shygurl99's picture

I don't see that happening sadly

Both sides have some bitter feelings right now . Maybe over the course of June and July , feelings will cool down and we, democrats,  can all start working together again without attacking each other

Ed Would's picture

Sheesh. It's so much easier

Sheesh. It's so much easier in the UK. Here you just pick who you hate the least...
jackedup77's picture

that's how it was last

that's how it was last election. Now I guess people have something to prove... What, I don't know.
Pyewacket's picture

I'm in the US.

And for the most part, I avoid the political threads too. It gets too personally nasty.

And no matter what politcal party...the politicians are beholding to the special interest groups and their lobbyists.

 

cosmiccowgirl's picture

Smart to stay in

Hillary Clinton is campaigning for the vice presidency now, and I admire her for staying in, no matter how much the press tries to push her out of the race (as they have been doing for MONTHS). I personally wouldn't want to be vice president to someone so much less experienced than I, but since she doesn't seem to mind it, staying in the race is the only way to show just how close the race is. Obama is squeazing by with barely half of the democratic popular vote. It's not exactly a ringing endorsement for him, and the more she can show the split in the party, the better her chances for being selected for VP. I think Obama would be wise to choose her. I know I will support him only if a woman is his VP running mate. (By support, I mean give money, campaign, etc. I am obviously not voting for McCain in any case.)
raziarehman's picture

I agee. I'm glad Hillary

I agee. I'm glad Hillary stuck it out and did not bow down to the media who wanted to withdraw months earlier. She gave all voters a chance to choose and the fact she won SOuth Dakota proves it was a good decision
Salaam's picture

Probably not VEEP

I prefer Obama.

That said, objectively speaking, I can't see how she could expect him to choose her as his running mate; especially after her non-conssesion and incredibly defiant speech. Though, that speech only lessend her chances of becoming Veep. But if she continues to apply pressure on his camp to choose her, and her supporters actually do follow through with petitions to Obama to choose her as his second, he won't have any choice but to reject her as vice president. For him to cowtow under that kind of pressure would make him appear weak and provide an incredible argument for the Rep's. "He couldn't handle the pressure from this woman! How could he possibly handle diplomacy with Ahmedinejad or Hamas?!" <--this is just me giving an exaggerated example ladies. Don't get your panties in a twist. 

The best thing for her to have done was to make an impressive consession speech complete with an endorsement (which she gave up the chance to do) so now the only thing to do is CHILL out and take the pressure off Obama to choose her as veep so he can be free to do so.

 This is not to say that I want her as VP. In fact, I would be happy if the clintons just went back to Arkansas never to return to the political spotlight (As a NYer I still have no idea how she was voted into the senate the first time around.) , but if she wants second place instead of no place at all she really needs to lay off.

Harpy's picture

VP

At this point though it would be stupid for him not to choose her.

sapphistafricana's picture

@Harpy: Why???

Why would it be 'stupid' of him to not choose her???  What reasons would  he have to choose her???
Harpy's picture

:)

Because the nation's Democrats are divided right now between the two candidates.  As a Hillary supporter I would look more favorably on him if he accepted her as his running-mate.  I also think it's in the country's best interests that they run together.

pecola's picture

He Can't

Simply put, he can't.

I've been on the losing side of some heartbreaking campaigns, so I can appreciate, more than most, the necessity for a grieving period for Hillary Clinton supporters (it's fair, though, to hold the candidate and her staff to a different standard). But as you mourn her loss (I mean, you, generally, not just specifically Harpy), I hope that you take some time to appreciate the reasons why Barack Obama won and Clinton lost. To say that Obama would be "stupid" for not adding her to the ticket suggests to me that there's not a real understanding of the reasons why Obama won and Clinton lost.

Obama had a very strong message about change in Washington--not just in terms of changing the political party, but in fundamentally altering the way that "the game" is played. Obama promised to end the old style of politics...to, as Scott McClellan might say, end the permanent campaign that goes on in DC. He won, in part, because of that message.

To add Clinton to the ticket would be the politically expedient thing to do, I suppose, but it'd undercut one of the foundation of his campaign. His claim to represent new politics would be fundamentally flawed....

...and I, for one, would not look on him more favorably for doing so.

For those doing electoral math on the back of a napkin (h/t West Wing): Clinton would probably help Obama most in Florida and Ohio. I can think of a handful of Democrats who'd aid Obama in those same states. She'd likely hurt him in Virginia, Colorado and, possibly, New Mexico....so. for those looking for an electoral argument against including Clinton, there it is.

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Geoffrey: You fool! As if it matters how a man falls down.
Richard: When the fall is all that is left, it matters a great deal.

- The Lion in Winter

Harpy's picture

Obama why during weekday rush hour, why?

I'll have to think on this and respond a little later.  I want to do a little research as well.

But right now I am not pleased with Obama at all.

Quote:
Obama rally could add 2 hours to your commute

June 5, 2008 - 8:56am

 

Stop messing with my commute Obama!

sapphistafricana's picture

Not a good idea

I don't think it would be a good idea to have an Obama/(Hillary) Clinton ticket. Look at the way the Clintons campaigned against him. I can't see Hillary, and definitely not Bill, playing second fiddle to Obama. They would try to outshine him.

An Obama/Clinton ticket sounds good at first, but the more one thinks about it the more one realizes how bad it would be and the folly of it all.

It would definitely not be good judgement on his part nor on that of his advisors.

cosmiccowgirl's picture

"He couldn't handle the

"He couldn't handle the pressure from this woman!" To me giving in to this kind of thinking would be a lot more weak than accepting the candidate who has the support of half the democrats in the country.

Maybe if Clinton did lay off, that would help Obama feel less threatened by her. I'm not suggesting her more aggressive strategy will actually work. Who knows? But somehow I doubt she's the type to just sit by the phone and wait for his call.

The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

Obama isn't threatened by

Obama isn't threatened by her-- he's more cautious because both she and Bill are loose cannons and have their own interests about the good of the party and the country.
Radical Bradacal's picture

Wow!

 

You must be a relatively important person! Firstly to know so much about Hillary and her heart, and whether or not (you say "not") she truly cares about this country, and then to know that Obama isn't threatened by her? Those late night coffee sessions with Obama must have been fascinating! So "cautious" is his plan? You'd better be careful about leaking these confidences ... being the privy councel to two major political figures has it's emotional toll!

Speak what we feel not what we ought to say...

The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

You've got to be one of the

You've got to be one of the rudest and insulting  people on here.  I judge Hillary by her words and her behavior, as well as her inability to stop her husband's alienating comments and behavior. Hillary and Bill imploded her campaign and that's why she lost her near 30% in Iowa.

I have volunteered with the Obama  campaign for several months, though even if I held a high position in the campaign, I wouldn't disclose it here.  I am right  about Obama being not intimidated by Hillary the person-- but Hillary has the ability to assure that some of her supporters don't come over to the democratic camp, with the way she bows out of the campaign and chooses how enthusiastically to campaign for him.  That's not intimidation-- it's being careful that the time bomb doesn't explode. Hillary is being given much more consideration because she's a woman that if she was a man , in my opinion.

Radical Bradacal's picture

  You've got to be

 

You've got to be one of the rudest and insulting people on here.

I don't know about insulting, but I'll own up to the rude.

I find the qualifiers for your arguments so interesting. Bill lost Iowa for Hillary? I thought the Iowans lost Iowa for Hillary ... because they liked Barrack better? Silly Caucuses!

I don't think Obama is intimidated by Hillary either. I was making a satire out of your comments because your language was both authoritative and personal - as though you had just had dinner with the both of them, and they divulged their most intimate details with you. That's what I was commenting on, and I may be rude, but I think you're rather arrogant.

Speak what we feel not what we ought to say...

Heartsease's picture

You know...

You may feel the need to comment on Pirategrrrl's manner of posting, but I must admit that I, too, feel that many of your posts seem quite arrogant. It would be much easier to read your thoughts and opinions on politics if you could present your views in a way that didn't make you seem as if you were the "ultimate authority" on all things political.

The matters that you choose to discuss are not as "clear cut" as you seem to believe and have been the subject of debate across the country. I would appreciate it if you would not state your opinions as "facts," since I find it rather difficult to "listen" to your opinions when they are presented as such. 

Note: You may notice my overuse of quotation marks. I tend to use them for emphasis as well when corresponding online. (It's just a habit...)
Salaam's picture

She's going to have to sit

She's going to have to sit back and wait for his call. even if she tries the forcible tactic, in the end she'll have to wait and see just how he reacts.

Not to mention he really isn't just taking on Hilary as veep. Obama is truly taking on the clintons. No matter what Hillary supporters want to believe, those two are irrevocably linked and without bill, hillary would not be where she is today. You have to admit the truth of that statement regardless of how bitter it tastes.  So I agree with Emp. He needs to be extremely cautious in making this decision.

Disclamer: This next statement will get people riled but I have to say it, and it has nothing to do with Hillary's statements about Robert Kennedy last month. I realize what they were in reference to. But as an African-American in America that knows her history, I fear for Obama's life every time he is in public. I'm truly scared that the next hand he shakes will be holding a weapon. Times may have changed but they haven't changed so much that Obama meeting an untimely end at his inaugaration is out of the relm of possibility; my fear is justifiable. There are many Af.Am's just waiting for the other shoe to drop, refusing to believe that he has clenched the nomination until the DNC comes to a close.  It comes down to the fact that African-American's wants, needs and even our lives are believed to be worth less than our lighter complected counterparts. That is a truth of this nation. And if you don't believe that, odds are you are either not Af. Am. and/or completely ahistorical or have been incredibly blessed and privilaged not to have experienced or seen any kind of racism.

Do you even realize that this was the first election where the black vote was sought immediately and not just as an afterthought in september when it behooved the candidates? 

My point...with the clintons, not hillary, but THE CLINTONS (individuals that are very much for corporate interests CoughNAFTAcougH; the interests that really run this country) a heart beat away form the presidency, I feel like to some, Obama's life will be worth just as much as any other Black man randomly gunned down by the "majority."

So I reiterate, Obama needs to be incredibly careful about actions and decisions  made from here on in. (Especially concerning Hill-Billy) 

The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

Salaam, Obama has security

Salaam, Obama has security people and secret service coming out the wazoo. One of his events I attended was outside and there were hundreds of people protecting him both in uniform and plain clothes. We all had to pass through metal detectors, even the campaign workers and we also had the wand thing. They searched our bags through detectors and just like on airplanes, we couldn't bring in more than a few ounces of liquid. When he shook the hands of people in the crowd, there had to be 6 secret service surrounding him. I don't want to go into all the specifics and I'm sure there was a lot I wasn't even aware of.

Your fear reminds me of when Obama announced his candidacy. I was in the book store later that day looking at his books standing next to an older black woman. I could hardly contain my exhuberance, as I had been following Obama's career for years. I said to her, "I think he's going to be our next president and I couldn't be happier." and she looked at me with sadness in her eyes and said, "They're going to kill him like they killed king." I was so saddened by her words. We talked for a little bit. I don't think I'll ever forget those moments we shared.

pecola's picture

Out on Saturday

News broke earlier today that Clinton will suspend her campaign in a public event on Saturday in Washington, DC. She'll host a private event at her home in the District for supporters and staff.

Now, let the healing begin.

 

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Geoffrey: You fool! As if it matters how a man falls down.
Richard: When the fall is all that is left, it matters a great deal.

- The Lion in Winter

blueinthefaceangel's picture

Thank God

Finnally.I hope she get some sense and starts supportan oboma.There is no way she'll be VP with the speech she gave....

 

"Has anyone seen Shane's Vigina?I think she dropped it somewhere." L word

The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

It gets better--- today she

It gets better--- today she said she's suspending, not ending her campaign so that her name can still be put on the ballot-- in case anything happens. Nice words, again, on the anniversary of Bobby Kennedy's shooting.

As Pecola said-- let the healing begin and I am ready to do my part in rising about the pettiness. Starting saturday-- LOL, since Hillary wants to wait as well. Just kidding.

IllyriaElysium's picture

Oh, come on.

Oh, come on. Suspending campaigns is a standard political move. Hell, even Edwards did it. By suspending her campaign, she retains her pledged delegates (the SD’s can still move wherever they please). Keeping those delegates might give her some influence on the platform come the convention. It’s just leverage, and if she can use it to nudge the DNC to the left on important issues (universal health care, for instance) then more power to her.

The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

Edwards suspended back in

Edwards suspended back in late January early February before we had a nominee. We have one now, so no need to suspend- standard or not, Hillary needs to show she's serious about her support ande saying she's suspending in case anything happens doesn't show that to a lot of people.
Hijinx's picture

Politics

(Oh look a subject line) <------- An example of nitpicking.

Personally I hate politics.  I also hate nitpicking over the use of caps, calling one out on their grammar.  I really can't stand when anyone thinks they are above everyone else.  Their opinion matters so much more than others.  Insulting one another because you are right, I suddenly feel 12 again.

I think I'll move on to another thread, any thread.

Feel free to make any grammatical corrections, please use a red pen so "i's can tell wheres i's mades my mistakes."

I'm just speaking what I feel, not what I ought to say.

edit:  Harpy, I am so sorry about the traffic problems you have to deal with.  That is a nightmare.

 


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