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When Your Partner Chooses Religion Over You

I was wondering what your take was on religion when it comes between a couple. For people who have experienced this, how did you cope? And are you still friends? And for those who havent, How do you think a subject like this would affect you? What would you do if the person you loved and devoted your life to came to you and told you that she has been struggling with deciding between you and god. Remember, this is someone you deeply loved so fronting with hostility might not apply to some.


TheFoolOnTheHill's picture

Well

I'm religious, but ordinarily i would never force myself to choose between my partner and God. Okay, if maybe i had an epithany or something, and i thought it had to lead me to do so, then perhaps. Other than that i would never choose, i would live perfectly comfortably with both in my life.

However, if said partner was to say "It's me or your God", then i'd choose my religion every time. To not do so would be to say there was something more important than God. And, well, as someone of faith, that just can't be. I've handed my life over and i can't just turn my back on that. So, it's not really an answer to your question, but i would say that if somebody was to go into a relationship with a religious person or someone of a certain spiritual faith/belief/practice...then they have to be prepared to be second in their life. It may not always be the case, but it would be for me, and i expect it would be for others too.

That aint no Etch-a-Sketch...

Aya's picture

Spirituality is important but.....

A good spiritual life, not necessarily a religious one, can greatly enhance other aspects of your life.

Unless your partner is going up into the mountains on a Journey of enlightenment, I don't see how they would have to choose you or God.

Unless this about 'the bible vs homosexuality' then IMO you shouldn't even be with that person.

justa_litte's picture

The bible Vs Homosexuality

yeah it is about christianity vs Homosexuality. For example your long term partner has trouble seciding whehter to be a christian or to be with you adn shes is leaning towards the christian part, how would you approach something like that and cope with it

 

 

kraken's picture

Bible Vs. Homosexuality

   Have you seen the movie "For the Bible Tells Me So"? I watched it not too long ago and it brought up some really good points about what Christianity/the Bible actually says about homosexuality (i.e. the fact that the most notorious defense christians use is the fact that the bible calls a man lying with another man an aberration-but they usually have the wrong definition of aberration in mind and a few paragraphs away it calls eating shirmp an aberration, as well as wearing linen and wool together).

   Anyways, I would say that most christians don't take the time to find out what their religion actually says about homosexuality. If she honestly feels compelled to live a straight lifestyle, whether she has to force it or not, is her decision and you will have to respect that.

writerchick's picture

have to let go

If she believes it's wrong to be a lesbian, then she really can't stay with you. Not to say that she's right, but some people really think they'll go to hell for being gay. Just be aware that her heart is probably breaking, too.
mibtc86's picture

this is what came to mind

this is what came to mind first. the partner who choses G-d over a relationship.... well they've been with G-d their whole lives and obv. they've not been with their partner that long. so that could also be why they would chose G-d over the relationship cuz they have a stronger, and longer, relationship with G-d and their religion. to go against that could be, not devastating, i can't think of the word so....  to go against that could be 'devasting' to them so they would then have no choice but to choose to stop the relationship.

pecola's picture

Some Advice

It's a difficult situation--as mibtc86 noted, a person's relationship with God has an immense amount of security that comes with it and it's difficult to compete with that, regardless of whether your in a gay or straight relationship. That being said...

I've never personally found myself in this situation, but if I were, I think I'd stop and do a reassessment. The notion that you can't be gay/lesbian and Christian is a complete farce, but that's not what's been engrained in heads of many Christians for years...that's not what many preachers are talking about in the pulpit on Sunday. It's going to take a lot of work to erase these notions and you have to ask yourself whether or not you want to go through that.

Also, you didn't acknowledge anything about your own faith--you have to think about whether or not you want to support her in her journey and just support her or if this is something you're willing to do together.

If you do, I recommend what a few others have noted:

Develop a Context: Most people's objections to homosexuality comes from one verse, Lev. 18:22, which if you read it in context, isn't really as cut and dry as people would lead you to believe. Your partner needs to understand the Bible beyond that one verse and to do so, I'd recommend starting with renting For the Bible Tells Me So--it provides some great context for what the Bible actually says.

After watching that film, she can add to that context with a few books: The Children Are Free: Reexamining the Biblical Evidence on Same-Sex Relationships or What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality or Gay Christian 101.

Find Fellowship: I can't overstate the importance of finding a church that's either open and affirming, gay-friendly or LGBT-focused. I think there's a reluctance to switch churches by some gays and lesbians because folks feel like it's cheating the system, but really a non-affirming church, is cheating them out of a holistic faith. Not only would your partner get an opportunity to worship and celebrate her faith and who God made her, she'd also get the support of other LGBT members of the church, which makes a tremendous difference.

If there's not a church near you, there are several churches which stream their services now, so you can watch over the web.

Read Memoirs: There are several memoirs out there now by gay Christians that your partner should read. It's comforting to know, I think, that others have taken the path that she's on in reconciling these two extremely important facets of her being. I highly recommend Stranger at the Gate: To Be Gay and Christian in America, as a starting point.

(There's also Whosoever, an online magazine for LGBT Christians, which has great resources.)

Discuss, Discuss, Discuss: The most important thing through all of this is to make sure that you and your partner are having open and honest communication--not just about faith, but about sexuality.

Hope this helps.

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Geoffrey: You fool! As if it matters how a man falls down.
Richard: When the fall is all that is left, it matters a great deal.

- The Lion in Winter

-m-'s picture

Wow. I found this topic and

Wow. I found this topic and I was like, holy crap, someone has been through this before? But I'm not talking about the homosexuality v. Christian thing, I'm talking about when the girl you are in love with, says she can't be with you because you aren't religious, because you don't believe in the samr God she does and she needs, in a realtionship, someone she can worship and pray with. That is happening to me and I know that we can never ever be together but it is so unfair. And I know life isn't fair but I don't know how to have this girl as just  a friend because I love her so much. And I can't cut her out of my life because I love her so much. This girl was the first girlfriend I ever had, and I bought a plane ticket to see her. Oddly enough, I went out there on the day that all of you posted on this topic. Weird. Anyway. It gets worse because its like she is waiting for me to find God, she says she would never ask me to change myself because that would be wrong, but she keeps reading me Bible passages and telling me about His love. I know its important to her, its her life, but I don't believe the same things. And she thinks that means I am rejecting God, and her.

 What it comes down to is this: there is so much hatred and negativity in this world, if two people love each other, they shouldn't waste that or throw it away. Its rare.

 So I can't move forward and I can't move back. I am still so in love with her, and I know she loves me too. What do I do?

trisquel's picture

You can't choose.

Hi M.

Browsing the comments, I found yours and I hope I can be a bit of help.

I have a faith - if someone I find who loves me does not share that faith, I would not expect them to 'suddenly' develop a faith. I would ask they simply respect my beliefs and I theirs. Faith is innate, it is something one has within. It is not found at the supermarket. It can not be switched on or off as we choose and when we see fit. With this I mean - if your friend has a faith, fine. She should look after it. But how can she think you are rejecting her and God if you do not have a faith to begin with? My question to you is - is your friend gay and does she love you or is she someone trying to convert you to Christianity? I'm afraid I feel, from your email, that you are in love with your friend but she is only intent on converting you. If she has a faith, she should be happy just 'doing her thing', and not needing to involve you. I understand it would be nice if you did, because it would give you something in common to share. But, as the late Pope John Paul II said, one can propose, but never impose our faith. The unfairness has nothing to do with God. Can I be ruthless and suggest you break off and start again??You may be in for a spiral otherwise...

wrongbananas's picture

On the other hand, it could

On the other hand, it could be BECAUSE she loves you that she's trying to convert you. I mean, if she genuinely believes that you would go to hell if you didn't know God, and she loves you, she'd want you to get to know him right? Not that I'm saying she's going about it in a great way, or that I agree, but I can sympathise with her. Faith is a huge part of somebody, and if you love someone you want them to share that.

 

But yes, if it just isn't happening...*bites lip* maybe starting fresh would be the best thing... 

justa_litte's picture

MESSAGE!

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iPodbliss's picture

Matthew 10:37

For me it has nothing to do with homosexuality being a "sin". It has to do with the fact that if a person made me choose I would have to choose God. It's hard being with someone or being friends with someone who isn't faithful. Jesus recognized this and basically said that you had to choose him and God over family, friends and spouses. Not necessarily cast them out of your life forever but always remember who you serve first and foremost. It's really difficult being with someone who doesn't believe especially when they're not supportive and don't understand.

But if they were making a choice of either me over God, than that would be hurtful. Especially when I try to be a good person according to the bible (in modern social context). I can only think it's because they think homosexuality is a sin otherwise we would be able to support each other in our faith. I could never make another person choose me over God. But I could never be with someone who thinks being with me is wrong.

ilive2play7's picture

God

One of my biggest problems with actually coming to terms with me being gay is my deep christianity. I have been brought up in a very liberal catholic home who fully embraces and supports LGBTs so I was not worried about my family.  But at the age of 14 I really "found" God more like I finally accepted that there is a God and a higher power that I want to do good in his/her eyes. I started going to a nazarene church which is very conservative (its a protestant denomination) and my two best friends both went to church there so it just seemed right and natural. Well up to this year I have been a strong strong believer in Christ and following what God wants for me in my life.  I have been attending a Nazarene University and this year I became a Religion Major (aka Christian Major).  This year I also have struggled with my sexuality and coming to terms with who I really am. My Bible classes and very conservative (in my mind conservative, in the Nazarene world they are liberal) classmates and profs have really pushed me to reevaluate and see what I truly believe. I think for me it would be extremely hard to be with someone who does not believe in God and Jesus. It has been and still is such a HUGE part of my life and I talk about it freely. I think if I didn't have a partner who could see my deep love for God and that it was a huge part of my life the relationship wouldn't be able to work. We wouldn't have common ground if you know what I am saying? I would never want to be in the situation where I would have to choose God over anyone. God is going to win, that is just the breaks. I've had to choose before what friends I kept in my company ,and I know this might sound strange to someone who has never experienced this, but I have had God "tell" me hey listen this isnt a good situation you are in and it is best if you get out of this friendship/relationship it is hurting your relationship with me.  Now you guys might think I sound like a crazy person but I am not...i swear!  But being a gay christian isn't something easy, being gay for one isn't easy in our society and being a christian isn't easy in our society either....combine them and you've got one heck of a person.

But more on your situation. She may be feeling this tug on her heart. I personally see nothing wrong with Christianity and Homosexuality. But that is me and it has taken me a long time to get to this point. Ask my mother...age 15 I told my uncle he was going to hell because he was gay. I have come far far far from that place. But sometimes people feel that they have to choose God over a relationship from what they feel God is telling them.  I would sit down and talk to her and ask her why she thinks she needs to choose between God and you.  i'd try to get down to wether it is her church saying the homosexuality is wrong or is it in her mind that this relationship is being destructive to her relationship with God. If it is her mindset that Homosexuality is wrong in the eyes of her Christianity then she needs to really figure out who she is and what she believes and it might be best for her to not be in a relationship with anyone while she evaluates this.  I hope this helps some. Sorry it is so long but I am trying for you to get maybe a viewpoint from her eyes. 

trisquel's picture

God or you?

I would respect her decision. I have a faith so... Do you mean she has been called to be a priest or nun? Or she has to leave you because of her beliefs?  Either it is a calling or she isn't clear on her identity and reconciling it with her faith.  Why not talk it through with her? She may be feeling extremely lost and confused. But if you are an atheist and she has a faith, so long as you both respect each other's beliefs, why should there be a problem?
justa_litte's picture

relationships?

in the Bible it is stated in clear black and white about homosexuality being a sin and it is wrong and may the flames of hell consume you. i know that sounds harsh but thats what it says and as i mentioned before, the new testament overides the old testament and is even more strict than the old testament. For example, in the old testament is says that one should never act on their urges towards another if married but in the new testament it states that if one so even thinks such thoughts, better they gouge out their eyes may it help them not to commit the sin. graphic, but thats it. The old testament saying things such as do not eat shrimp and whatnot was there as a guideline for Gods people to protect them from diseases and things that would cause those sicknesses and seafood was one of them. In the new testatment those were not mentioned or followed through and the only thing that has been passed down from all that is that homosexuality is a sin.

Sure it feels great and amazing and you know what, funnily enough, i would actually want to be with the person I love but i cant. Because she feels, and i understand this because i believe and am christian, that homosexuality is a sin. and that doing Gods will is the only way into heaven. And she wants to live her life for God and if it is Gods will, she will get married, if thats what God tells her to do. She is in love with me and says that she always will be, but the first person in her life is God and I come in second. And if it means to live her life for God then so be it. It doesnt mean that you have to deny your feelings of being gay, it just means you cant act on them.  And its an incredibly hard thing to grasp for one who does not believe in christianity, and as a believer its even incredibly hard for me.

But my problem is that, what and how could marrying someone else be serving God? I know that the only way into the streets of heaven is to get saved and when the rapture arrives it will be too late and those who are saved and have lived thier lives for Him will be taken into the heavens and it is then that God removes His hand of protection from the earth for seven years. Now i know to some that this sounds like a whole load of bull, but its what some believe and that should be respected. And what if something like that were true, because in every belief to those who believe none, there is a smidgen of possibility in everything. Its really just finding the right one. I personally understnad what is happening but my issue is that I am having trouble coping with the thought of losing someone that you could see a future with. And even after all the understanding one can have, there is still this deep pain and coping with it is where everything is lost.


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