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Why is there so much homophobia around?

I know this is probably a silly question to ask because I guess we already know the answer. Ignorance, fear of the unknown, religion being used as an excuse and inability to see the world from someone else's perspective. Not to mention that a lot of homophobic people are sexually repressed, insecure in their own sexuality, envious of our non conforming ways and actually have some feelings for the same sex that they try to hide.

 What really gets me is that when I am open about my sexual orientation, or when others know about my sexual orientation some feel it is necessary to make disparaging remarks, or to make assumptions about me from that, or feel it is acceptable to be aggressive and rude towards me. Then they blame it on me by saying I provoked it by being out. It doesn't make sense. What I also don't understand is why people continue to use the word "gay" in a negative way. I find it insensitive and disrespectful. No other minority group would allow themselves to be used like that and we shouldn't accept it either. I also don't understand why when people find out someone is gay they think its ok for them to treat them differently or in whatever way they want. By ridiculing them or touching them in places that make them uncomfortable. Or in some cases not letting that person come close to them because they believe they are now "contaminated." Just the other day my friend told me that one of her close friends avoided contact with her after she had come out. Before she always hugged her when they met and they were very affectionate towards each other, but after she came out that all changed. While her friend was very touchy feely with other friends she maintained a certain distance with my friend. I think i may have experienced similar situations. Not that I would want the affection of a homophobe, but it just makes you wonder why.   

I'm sorry if this is totally unrelated to anything. I just feel like its just useless sometimes to explain to certain people why homophobia is wrong because they will never change. It just feels like there are way more closed minded than open minded people out there and that whatever we do it just seems like the homophobes will always have the final laugh. That they'll always be successful in silencing our voices and acting as obstacles to equality and equal rights.

I'm usually kind of an optimistic person. Really I am. But I've been feeling pessimistic about things lately and, i don't know,  posting a forum topic always seems to make things better.   

Has anyone else experienced similar situations? So how often do you see or encounter homophobia (directly or indirectly) around you? What else can we do to stop homophobia other than being out and open about our lives and supporting gay rights and issues?

The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

Acceptance takes time,

Acceptance takes time, unfortunately.  Only in the last few decades have gays been seen in the public in most places or talked about in the media.  You might be too young to remember just how groundbreaking Ellen was when she and her character came out. People have to get used to new things, especially the narrow minded ones LOL. I do think things are so much better now than they were before Ellen, but that doesn't mean I don't think we still have far to go. I want overall acceptance yesterday.

Maybe you can hold on to your optimism is you do some research on the history of gays over the last century so that you can see how far we have come. More and more people are accepting us. Even the statistics of those who support gay marriage rights has improved.

Radical Bradacal's picture

Well ...

 

It's a hard subject, to be sure. Certainly one worthy of conversation. Intellectually and psychologically homophobia can make sense and be explained. Emotionally, however, it's a dark, ugly, hurtful monster, that can capsize the strongest of us.

I have no good answers for you. I have experienced homophobia from some fairly "liberal" minded folks ... people that I consider to be friends. And i've lost friends because of it. The image of "different" has never been a popular figure in our society. And no matter how "tolerant" (I hate that word, btw) we've strived to become, the fear of "different" is always just under the surface, ready to bite and claw its way out. The only difference I see, sometimes, between today, and 1958, is that most people veil their hatred/fear with a thin veneer of "acceptance" ... there's now an idea and formula for behavior that's a basis for socialization ... it's simply no longer acceptable to be outwardly intolerant. But thoughts - the priviledge of the human being - cannot be controlled, so it's been my theory, that the fear/hatred seepes out in other avenues other than the verbal ... in the situations you describe with your friend, in looks, in body language ... and it doesn't make it any easier, it just makes it a little less visible. I also think that environment plays a HUGE part in this.

Now. you said, "they'll always be successful in silencing our voices and acting as obstacles to equality and equal rights."

And I want to tell you, that if you give into that thought, that hopelessness, then the great and powerful "they" will win.

They'll win because WE haven't done our part. We can't help the situation if we don't do our work ... and our work is HARD, and requires a lot of patience. It also requires *US* to reach out ... we need to start the dialogue. We need to show "them" that we are just as real as they are, by conversations, by deeds, by generosity of spirit. The easiest way to kill fear is with information. And providing that information is SCARY. But the next time someone uses "gay" as that awful adjective, say something. The next time someone recoils from a hug, or contact, ask them why! I can't tell you how many friends I've made through this process. And sure, I've been called many MANY ugly things ... i've even been threatened.

But the only way to conquer the hate, the fear, the idea of different, is to love the "them" and LOVE YOURSELF. And I refuse to live in a world where I'm affraid and hopeless. And the only way I can do that is by working at it.

indiefilmqueen's picture

Homophobia is more prominent than I thought

I tell you what, I don't usually respond to posts, but I am so saddened by how far we have yet to go that I felt the need to respond. This is not about me specifically, but I was just on the Netflix site a couple of days ago looking up a movie called "Trapped" that has a gay character in it. I decided to read the reviews to see if it would be worth seeing and 99% of the comments were about the fact that it was never mentioned in the synopsis that the character was gay or in a lesbian relationship. The bile that was spilled throughout these numerous comments was heartbreaking to me. I felt so naive. These religious people spoke of values and morals and they did not want their children to see (two mild kisses between women from what I understand). They commented that it would have been a better movie if the couple were straight and just other close minded comments. Anyway, I apologize for the length of the post but I saw the topic and felt the need to get this off my chest. So, thanks for listening! :-)
LamiaCult's picture

Be Optimistic

I have to share this with y'all.

My straight best friend recently chose to do her english assingment on the negative way the media treats gays and lesbians and the effect this has on us. I was surprised because she came up with it on her own, didn't know I was gay and our out gay friends try to positive about it all.

She asked me if it would be okay if she asked our gay friends questions about how they thought they were treated. So I said. "You can ask me. I'm gay."

So I pointed out a bunch of websites (AE inclunded) and showed her some video clips she could use. This is what she said about Sally Kern.

"She's a stupid bitch!"

Without any prompting.

=)

JenniferB_rocks's picture

20/20 (what would you do segment)

so i'm watching 20/20 right now and they do these different scenario about different things and they just did one about how some people whould react to seeing a gay and lesbian couple being affectionate with each other in public. i thought it was interesting to see that.
rainbowgirl20's picture

awesome, wish I could've

awesome, wish I could've seen the 20/20 special. how did people react to seeing lesbian and gay couples in public?
The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

I saw 20/20 . I thought it

I saw 20/20 . I thought it was intriguing. It made me want to go down south and kiss in public. just to piss off the bigots.
Lilyc4t's picture

ABC News

Yeah, they did one on abc in Alabama and the guy couple got the cops called on them. The girl couple got harrassed by a bunch of gross guys who thought it was hot.
nerocorvo's picture

we have come a long way... but we must not be complacent

Each generation must do its part, I guess. The women who came before me, went through things I can only imagine. When I came out, there was not internet really, just IRC and bulletin boards. I actually was forced to live on the street, relying on the kindness of strangers. I was fired from my job and I risked being beaten up badly, or even fatally, if I were to even hint at being out in a non-gay (sort of) area...but that is nothing by comparison to what happened to the women and men who were say, at Stonewall... and so on.

Nowadays, the younger generation of gays and lesbian and bisexuals have a whole new host of issues and problems to contend with, not least of which is homophobia, the all pervasive, all invasive, terrible, subtle and sometimes not so subtle thing that it is.

We have progressed, believe me. Someone commented on Ellen. When she came out, she lost everything. Now she is famous, successful, commands audiences with presidential hopefuls, but then, she was a leper. But a hero, to many in the gay community, and many of the people who support us, who are not gay.

No matter who you are or what you are, you will never be liked or accepted by everyone, period. Don't let it define your self esteem, or break you down. There is always hope, and though we sometimes move backwards several spaces, we are moving forward, and we are in this together, for the long run.

So called friends who treat you badly, or make you sad, are not really worth having as friends, imho, you can have new ones, ones which will accept you and love you as you are. Same with family, though many do reconcile with family, and bridges are rebuilt, many do not, but you can find a new family. Just try to keep your chin above water whenever you really feel like you are being sucked down into it all. It's worth the effort.
Pyewacket's picture

Phobia is about fear.

And while I know that is obvious, fear is always about when someone...for whatever reason...doesn't feel safe.  It doesn't have to be logical...and most of the time there is no logic involved.  People are often afraid of change...of something that is different...according to their little bubble of safety that they grew up with and are familiar with.

One time when I was in a Kinko's, I witnessed an older gentleman (who was very nice up until) who was overdressed as an urban cowboy (something that is not common where I live and thus made him standout quite a bit) who almost leaped across the building toward a stranger...because he had such a physical reaction toward a young 20-something male who came into the place all dressed in black leather with a mohawk.

From my perspective, they both were dressed in "look at me" attire...which was perfectly okay with me...but it stayed with me how the cowboy could not take being in the same place of business with the punk rocker.  And how his reaction was as if he was being threatened.

I think people who are afraid of other gay people or of being gay themselves can use things like their religion to try to make themselves feel better and safe once again...but it is still fear and they are fooling themselves with the Bible quotes or whatever else they wrap themselves in.

About 22 minutes into this particular vlog...Marnie and Cathy spoke about this very subject quite well...

http://www.afterellen.com/bog/sarahwarn/whats-your-problem-video-blog-9

 

E_Frost's picture

Love Gods Way website

Speaking of homophobia, have you guys seen this http://www.lovegodsway.org/Gay?

 

PS: sorry if it's been posted already, I used the search engine but didn't get any exact results.

Radical Bradacal's picture

Wow.

 

So there's a lot to say about this website (least of which is the misrepresented Oscar Wilde quote, and context of 'reformed homosexual') ...

but what impressed me the most was their differentiation of "Gay Bands" vs. "Safe Bands", as a "tool" to help parents discern what to allow their kids to listen to ... I'm proud to say that most of my favorite bands are on the "Gay" list ... however, let's peruse a few bands on the supposed "safe list" ... shall we?

Cyndi Lauper
Sufjan Stevens
Blondie
The Dresden Dolls

.......................................................hmmmmmmmmmmm.......................

Speak what we feel not what we ought to say...

Tia's picture

Oh yes. Wow!

Why do I have a feeling, once the "overhelming feedback" has been processed, we will find 99% of the music industry on this nice little bad list.

NOFX? Britney Spears? The Smiths? DMX? They are all spreading the "Gay Agenda"? Wow! Wasn't aware we had so much support.

The only thing this websites is proving, again, is that religious fundamentalists have absolutely NO BRAIN! But they won't get any sympathy from me. Won't budge, won't happen.

EDIT: Just had an idea. Once they allow visitors of their site to add entries to the list, it should be fairly easy to flood the list. Once it contains some thousand entries, it'll become useless. Could be fun.

keanabug's picture

I love how they have a

I love how they have a whole bunch of good bands (and some bad ones but whatever) listed as "gay bands" when a lot of them aren't even close...and then the only good "safe" music was Sufjan Stevens.

I'd rather my child listen to "dangerous gay music" than shitty music.

Oh jeeze.

Topics include:

  • How to identify homosexuals.
  • What is a sexual predator? <---- lmfao, pathetic.
  • What are gay bands?

The heart has its reasons which reason knows not of.

addicted88's picture

Is that a joke?

Is that actually a real website?? am i being completely naieve here? because i watched but i'm  cheerleader the other day and one of the reasons i found it hilarious was because they were being sent to a place to be "cured" and i thought it was a completely made up type of 'institution'. So are there actually people who run places like that??

keanabug's picture

Yeah there actually

Yeah there actually is...sad.

I kinda think putting a bunch of gay people at a camp together kind of defeats the purpose of "curing" them though. lmfao. I can only imagine what I would do if I got sent to a camp full of lesbians. Lmfao, I wonder if they really give people those shockers for whenever they think of the same sex like on But I'm A Cheerleader.

The heart has its reasons which reason knows not of.

E_Frost's picture

I know! That only shows how

I know! That only shows how ignorant these people are...

It's not even worth it being mad at something like that. It's ridiculous.

 

At first i even thought that website was supposed to be a "joke".

I-Ching's picture

Lol

Gay Bands according to the LOVE GOD'S WAY website:

Ghostface and jayz?? dmx? that's hilarious

badwolf's picture

:D

Soy milk nearly squirted out my nose as I read that DMX and Jay-Z were on the Gay List.

I love how for some of the bands, they give reasons as to why the band is unsafe.

My favorite...

"Ted Nugent (loincloth)"

 :D  

Madcityrenee's picture

How long should we wait?

It should say Ted Nugent (asshole, mysoginist prick)....

As far as to why there is so much homophobia, look at who we elect to power, look at the movies that hollywood churns out. It's a hetero world and people here on this blog see and hear this everyday. Marketing is aimed to wards straight people. It's all anybody sees. So they think that all that exists are hetero people. 

Add to that religion, which mostly condemns people who are queer in any form. Only in the last twenty years has queer culture been added to the mainstream culture in any kind of respectful manner. So as the gay elite (doesn't include all gay people)like to say to us transwomen and transmen, "it will take time, wait your turn".

Well, if you're like me waiting is NOT an option.

I found out some sad news yesterday a local transwoman and AIDS activist who was much loved by the local gay community (Madison, WI) was murdered while on vacation in Mexico City yesterday. It's too late for her. How long should we wait? How long should any of us wait? And who decides who gets to wait? Well, money talks and bullshit walks. And when you're not finacially well off the rich people decide your fate on the basis of what's best for them.

It's sad world and it will take time....

 

 

 

 

 

 

julesss's picture

omg lol...watch out for Barry Manilow???!!!

wow re- gods web site thing as mentioned above...

did they ad musicals to that list of BANDS TO WATCH OUT FOR.

hahahaha that is so funny, how wierd, here is their partial list of BANDS to WATCH OUT for. And by 'watch out for', do they mean,  download mp3s asap, or watch for as in they are evil. Guess my parents are gay too....they are total Manilow fans.

  • Britney Spears(kissed Madonna)
  • Perfect Sin
  • The Queers
  • NoFx(gay punk)
  • Soup Dragons
  • Elton John(really gay)

 

yael_shafritz's picture

quite funny

i know someone already commented on it, but the fact that cyndi lauper is on the safe bands list, they seem to have overlooked the fact that she's headlining the true colours tour!
shortstack51's picture

LOL

It's rare that I use the "lol" acronym....but I couldn't think of anything else that could describe my reaction to that website posted. hahahh...wow.

I would, however, like to point out that it's not all religions which put down homosexuality. If one looks at Buddhism as a religion (though personally I think it's more of a way of life - then again, I'm not Buddhist), they are very accepting of gay people and homosexuality and gay couples. There are several other religions as well which are more obscure that I can't remember the names of, but yeah. So not all religions speak against homosexuality. :)

I don't even think religion has much to do with it. I think the people who are phobic use religion as a kind of justification for their own inability to accept others, change, and difference. IE, I don't think the Bible actually speaks out against gay couples - I think it was translated, misused, and twisted in interpretation to make it seem like it did because that's what people want to read/see. People call it 'unnatural,' when really they mean, "I can't understand why you would do that because I personally wouldn't." Those of the straight population who are more narrow-minded can't understand being attracted to the same sex, so assume it's wrong or not real. And then you have the secretly-gay-people-who-can't-face-it-so-they-treat-gay-people-really-badly. Gay people also make a convenient target for jokes, etc. because very few people stand up for them. I read somewhere that discrimination against gay people is the most acceptable form of discrimination currently...but I thoroughly believe that change will come, is coming, and has been coming. We've come a long way in the past years, but we still have a long ways to go. Stand up for yourself, and keep hope in humanity...you might be surprised. :)

A project I'm thinking of starting is writing down all the comments people make about gay people, and seeing what comes up. Recently I heard a boy on my bus say, "I hate it when people talk about gay people like that [he meant casually]. It makes me puke."

I think people really just need to see that gay people are just normal people...and also need to get all the crap the media, some crazy fundamentalists and pop culture say out of their heads. You know, massachusetts hasn't exploded and so far california hasn't, so i don't see why people are so afraid of gay marriage ruining society...

 

"This is a tree on fire with love, but it's still scary since most people think love only looks like one thing instead of the whole world."

shortstack51's picture

LOL

oops, double post

sorry

bringbackbeats's picture

Agree with all of the above comments


I agree with everything said here. I don't understand homophobia in the slightest. It baffles me how one can judge another solely based on gender. How 'one' feature can cause such hatred and anger. I am doing a research paper on gender prejudice and recently came across um, 'Fred Phellps' religion / church / following. I had no idea such thing existed. I read his beliefs and slogans and banners and have never felt so angry. I couldn't stop crying. It was sick. It was just so ugly. 


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