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Lindsay LohanTrue, engineered for publicity, or true *and* engineered, there's a new round of Lindsay Lohan/Samantha Ronson rumours... they've been photographed a lot together lately, and there's speculation that they're back together. If they were together the first time. For some backstory there's this BLWE from last year: http://www.afterellen.com/blwe/07-13-2007?page=1%2C0 , the only thing I found on AfterEllen
via Jezebel: http://jezebel.com/369104/lindsay-samantha-seem-to-be-at-a-loss-for-words Anyhow Lindsay's been spotted wearing Samantha's ring... literally a ring with the initials SR. They have two matching rings:
http://infdaily.buzznet.com/2008/03/lilo-and-s-ro-more-than-just-friends.html Submitted by Lemona (170 posts) on March 18, 2008 - 11:37pm. |
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So Angela Robinson directs the 3 heaviest Niki episodes of The L Word about a fun loving and immature (if sweetly so) lesbian starlet who is a bit irresponsible on the set and who is bearded to stave off rumors. The same Robinson who directed Lohan in Herbie: Unloaded in which there were heavy rumors of the fun loving Lohan being irresponsible and partying too much. All clearly posed photos show Lohan with boys (even going so far to drag out the ultimate and most overused publicist shot to steer away sapphic rumors - the beach shot - see Lohan likes men and not women) and yet finding a non photo op picture of her with a boy is rare. Meanwhile every non photo op photo seems to be her with Ronson as are her most revealing moments, the MySpace hackings, the Sunset Blvd fight, the car accident, the passing out (not making Sam sound like the best person to be around), the trips abroad (Japan and Italy), calling the song "Rumors" our song.
So while Lohan trots out some boy toy every time sapphic rumors hit again - interested to see the latest (faux possibility on high alert) or does the enter and leave separately nonsense (I love the video of what appears to be some of her management team making sure Lohan and Ronson leave a restaurant separately - listen closely for what Ronson and Lohan say to each other :), the facade seems increasingly transparent. Even Lohan seems aware of this, the act of her covering her face with a purse when Ronson is nearby fooling no one. Now she may have to keep from wearing the SR ring for awhile. I hope not. I'm waiting on a starlet to come out (it's been about 30 years since the hot starlet of the year did in Maria Schneider).
That was very interesting
That was very interesting and made me think about things in a way I haven't before. I see the similarities between Niki and Lindsay. Although I do have something I'd like to ask/mention .. While Angela Robinson indeed directed both Herbie and TLW episodes..
Didn't Ilene write this episode in the first place? So the way I see it, Angela just did her job - which is to direct - the script had already been written, and Angela had no hand in the storyline.
I guess I'm saying that, Angela Robinson couldn't have made that transparency if her job was just to direct. Now, if she had a hand in writing those episodes.. then well, yeah. Transparent, indeed.
I think the initials
I think the initials ring is kinda cute but she'll probably deny that they are together and just say that she wears it because they are 'good friends'.
Can u guide me to the vid of her managment tryin to get them to leave separately because i wanna hear what they say to each other. Or could u just tell me what they say?? thanx.
Fez
Interesting catch on the Angela Robinson connection, Ediana! The Niki character IS a dead ringer for Lindsay. Also, could Wilmer Valderrama have been ANYTHING but a beard? Ha ha... ok. I'm biased because only 1% of the male population even remotely seems attractive to me. But I think... hope... straight women would agree.
It's tempting to think she's had a long series of merkins/man-beards. Along with having more lesbian friends from different walks of life than most straight girls (come on, how many straight girls do you know who seem to hang out exclusively with lesbians?), the "sapphic rumours", gossip's tongues wagging about her "gal pal" and lots of drugs are the only constants in this girl's life. However... Lilo's reported to hook up with men frequently, even though, most times, the only evidence is her getting snapped by photographers leaving a club with a random guy. And yes, something about her very publicly making out with anonymous guys makes me think she's trying way too hard to keep a hetero image. I'm guessing bisexual, lots of brief flings with men, longer-lasting relationship with one/more women (Sam Ronson). In any case... at least she's more interesting than some Hollywood closet cases who frequently pose with their beards at Starbucks or walking on the beach, as if anyone's buying it.
also... interesting blind item
sound familiar? from crazydaysandnights:
#1 - The B list bisexual film actress who has probably never turned down a guy was turned down over the weekend by a woman. Not the woman she usually is seen out and about with mind you. No, that celebrity was nowhere to be seen. Instead, our actress spent much of the evening trying one approach after the other with this other female. Our actress would not take no for an answer until the female dialed a number on her own cell, and then handed it to our actress. On the other end was the regular female companion for our actress who made nice on the phone and hung up. She then spent 30 minutes making sure that the hit on female would not report the bad behavior. Too late.
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2008/03/todays-blind-items_17.html
I was intrigued by the
I was intrigued by the rumours I heard about Lindsay and Samantha back in April of '07, when Lindsay supposedly posted love notes on Samantha's myspace while in rehab. It also seemed like her DUI crash was caused by her getting in her car to chase after Sam after they'd had a fight (supposedly about Lindsay not wanting to make their relationship public). But news about them stopped when she went into rehab and has only just started to resurface, so I wasn't so sure.
But lately there has been so much that I'm starting to think it's impossible for them not to be dating! There's been reports about them moving in together, reportedly so that Sam can keep an eye on her to make sure she doesn't start drinking/doing drugs again, and Star Magazine reported that they got married in a private ceremony in Lindsay's house in March, but I don't think there's much truth to that. Although, Lindsay has been wearing Sam's initial ring on her ring finger. LL has allegedly also opened a new facebook account under the name Lindsay Ronson, and if you look at it on facebook it actually looks pretty legit. There was that story about LL being involved with Courtenay Semel, and Courtenay and Sam fighting over her. Then there's the photos of them grocery shopping together, which isn't really a friends type activity. They've been spending time with each other's parents...LL recently had dinner with Sam and her dad, then they both went to visit LL's family for Easter (I think this was when they chartered a private plane?). And they also took a trip to Italy together, and Lindsay didn't sleep with any guys like in the previous trip. They've been swapping sneakers and were seen dancing flirtatiously together. And aside from that Lindsay's rarely been seen out in LA without Sam for the last 2 months.
I agree with Ediana, it's getting obvious that they're trying to hide their relationship in public - especially if you watch any of the videos on x17online.com - by walking separately or leaving somewhere separately when around the photographers. It's sad that Lindsay's management or Lindsay herself feel they have to do this. I don't know if I would be able to live like this, and it would certainly be a strain on their relationship. Where is that video that you mentioned, Ediana, with them talking to each other about her management keeping them apart?
I think if you look at Lindsay's drug addiction in a different light, one where she's using drugs to try to escape the pressures put on her to hide her relationship with Sam, you start to see a very different person. I feel really sorry for her, because I know how hard it is for me being out with my girlfriend, and I don't have people tracking me 24 hours a day and reporting everything they see in magazines. But I think her getting back together with Sam is a positive step and maybe she's starting to open up to the idea of taking their relationship public. I think they make a cute couple and if they love each other, nothing should stop them from being together!
im no where NEAR a
im no where NEAR a psychiatrist, but it makes total sense for Lindsay to trust and be attracted to women, from what we know (as the public) about her childhood.
you definately made some valid points. I honestly feel sorry for the girl. From the tabloids ( i know, not very reliable,) it seems that its a well known fact Lindsay doesnt even try to hide that fact that she's in the least, bisexual.
Lets go get lost right here in the USA.
Lets go get lost...lets go get lost
--RHCP/Road Trippin'
If the sneakers dont belong
linds and sam
its no doubt they have a history together dating back to the Mean Girls days. and it seems as if sam
is the only constant in lindsay's life. they seem to have weathered much together and regardless of
the nature of their relationship lindsay seems to have calmed down a bit. i mean its been weeks since
we have been subjected to pics of linds with her latest male conquest. as a sincere fan, i just want
her to be able to live her life in truthfulness and get back on track career wise. too much talent there
to waste.
Robinson's writing
Mays, Sorry for the late response. As for the transparency...pick the most Niki-centric episodes.
I'd say ep 5 with the pot party and where Niki and Jenny make love for the first time in the closet, ep 7 which has the daytime trailer bed scene, the hot oil wrestling, and Jenny and Niki's nightime kiss afterwards and ep 10 where the gang goes on the bike ride and Jenny and Niki have that strap on scene. Robinson directed 4 episodes this season (the season opener and those 3 heavy Niki eps 5, 7 and 10). She wrote both ep 5 and ep 10. I wouldn't be shocked if she wrote most of the Niki stuff in other eps too. If you check out Chaiken's vlog after ep 10, she says that Niki was not originally a part of ep 10 but it was Robinson who advised the character needed to be added to the ep.
If you're looking for Lohan-Ronson stuff, check out x17 videos. There's a ton of stuff.
BritishLily, if you still have that video I forwarded to you, can you send it Pinka9. Otherwise Pinka 9 you can find it on x17 online but have to go back several pages (their search engine is weak).
Also, Lindsay was asked
Also, Lindsay was asked yesterday in a radio interview if she was dating anyone. She responds:
"No, I'm not. I mean...there's people that I care about... There's- uh, you know, I dunno. It's a hard thing to talk about (laughs uncomfortably)
That to me seems like she doesn't want anyone to know but she also doesn't want Samantha to feel like she's completely denying their relationship. Also her use of "people" instead of "guys" is interesting. But if she's not ready to be out yet, then that's 100% her choice and I respect that.
Ediana I might aswell post
Ediana I might aswell post the video here so everyone can watch it. I didn't really here anything on it though.
http://x17online.com/celebrities/lindsay_lohan/lindsay_sam_together_again-11052007.php
Samantha denies it (sort of)
Some paparazzo asked Sam Ronson point blank if she and Lindsay were a couple, to which she replied "Are you retarded?" Which I guess isn't exactly saying no, but it seemed especially unfair that they corner her on her own and put her on the spot like that.
I mean, however you react, staying silent or shaking your head in disgust or whatever people are gonna draw their own conclusions. I dunno really what to think except that I think Samantha Ronson's music is cool and she seems so too so it's all good.
The vid was posted on April 1st here: http://video.flynetpictures.com/index.php?module=assetserver&startRow=24
Some thoughts
Thank you BritishLily. It doesn't have to be turned up too loudly to hear. 43 seconds in you can hear "I love you..(unintelligible)" which appears to come from Ronson *(matches her voice). 45 seconds in Lohan says "I love you." Now to the more interesting part. The two individuals (Lohan and Ronson) arrive separately. Ronson is met outside by a woman (publicist of some type? - as will be seen later she directs the exiting to maintain space between the two individuals). As they leave, it is a staggered exit from the location (when you hear the distinct "I love you's"). The next location shows the staggered exit again with a reversal. This time Ronson leaves first. There is a delay until Lohan is allowed to leave. As clearly shown on the video, the exits are orchestrated. The filming isn't as crucial as photos. The maintaining of space (staggered entrances and exits) keeps photos of the two together down.
What is intriguing is that this orchestration is not occurring anymore. The turning point seems to have been after the first trip to Italy this year where Lohan being posed on top of men - see she can't control herself around men (and rumors being supplied that she was with 3 men in one day) were so obviously set up, that I ponder if it bothered Lohan. One of the reasons I was not surprised by Ronson-Lohan's arguments in May of last year was the Callum Best situation (which seemed deliberate to quell Lohan-Ronson rumors) and I wouldn't be surprised if the Italy trip was the straw that brought down the playacting. She is no longer having publicists being there to orchestrate all her outings nor is she going overboard trying to hide hanging around Ronson. She returned to Italy but this time brought Ronson with her. They are now seen in LA and NY eating outside, walking by each other, sitting by each other, and Lohan's efforts to stay concealed have become more halfhearted as time goes by.
They are also apparently living together. I buy the Ronson being at Lohan's at night to keep her off drugs as much as I buy Ronson's response in that video where she goes "Are you retarded" (see # 3 below) which is not at all. Ronson realizes that to keep seeing Lohan at this point, she has to play the game some. Here's other infamous cover up styles.
1) Double dating - This one was used by Lance Bass for quite awhile. If Lance was going out with his boyfriend, you get two women (just friends) to come along. Each man walks with a woman with the other "couple" walking behind. It fell apart when he tried this with Reichen because everyone who had seen The Amazing Race knew he was gay. Once Lance came out, those double dates ended. The reason it never worked for Ronson and Lohan, is that Ronson is so well known as a lesbian, no one would but the double dates. They could have Lohan be with a "fake" boyfriend and Ronson with a fake "girlfriend" I guess. Best not to give any ideas though. As for now Ronson and Lohan still tend to use a distance between them walk so pair photos aren't easy to take.
2) Beach shots - If you're photographed with someone in a revelatory manner or rumored to be in a same sex romance, the best thing to clear it up is some beach shots with a member of the opposite sex. There are plenty of men and women that want some publicity and are willing to play the "fake" lover. Photos of the two walking on the beach spell love (and sometimes it is). However many times it spells "phony."
3) Incredulous reaction - Samantha and Lindsay have done this one a few times. So has pretty much every closeted gay male and lesbian star (the queen is Queen Latifah herself) if they are not using the "That's my personal life" line which is seen as a giveaway. Times are changing though and this is usually now left to publicists or friends supplied by publicists. Why the second option. Well Neil Patrick Harris's management gave a repudiation of Harris being gay. The next day Harris came out. Surprise surprise...management is going to lie. So having a friend say it works better since no one trusts a publicist.
4) She/He is something else entirely - They are my trainer. They are my BFF helping me overcome drugs. They are my dog walker. They are a close friend and I promise that is all.
5) Rely on the bias - This one works far better for closeted femme lesbians than anyone else. The reliance is that many men and women (straight and sadly gay) will assume that an ultra hot actress must be straight. Therefore they don't have to do cover up as much. Just let bias play out. Sad. This also helps with the media. The media for the most part isn't really interested in showing a femme actress being interested in women. They are also aware many people want to buy into this (there was a brilliant article by Michael Musto this week which discussed the innate prejudice by people not wanting to hear gay couple gossip while eating up hetero couple gossip). They want their women drooling over hunks. Here's two articles - the original and is almost a copy. Notice that the last line is missing from the second article even though it's an exact rehash (that line doesn't go with what the want of being depicted is). Interestingly People Online does not shy away from Ronson-Lohan focus and is a good source.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20191142,00.html
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7010645880
Thanks for posting the link
Thanks for posting the link BritishLily! I don't hear Samantha saying "I love you" but I do hear Lindsay clearly saying "Alright, I love you, bye. Meet me there!".
You brought up a lot of interesting points Ediana! I also wonder why Lindsay is being more relaxed now about being seen with Sam. Do you think she will admit their relationship soon? With all that's been going on in the news about them, it can only be a matter of time before other people start to figure it out. Surely the papparazi who follow her 24 hours a day and see the two of them coming in and out of hotels and her house etc. know. But most of news sources are very careful not to insinuate too much. X17onine will have a leading headline e.g. "Can we call them Rohan?" and then in the article refer to Sam as Lindsay's BFF or "gal pal". I don't know why this is.
I have been following her "Lindsay Ronson" facebook account, which is visible if you're in the New York network, and she's been getting new friends every day. She became friends with Aliana Lohan yesterday (must be her sister's fb name), and today she became friends with Sarah Godshaw (actress), Lauren Hastings (the model she reportedly stole clothes from), and Lisette Sand-Freedman (pr exec). If it's a fake account, it's EXTREMELY good because most of her friends have 400-600 friends each themselves. Lindsay also must be very open about her relationship with Sam among her friends if she's calling her account Lindsay Ronson. I feel like a bit of a stalker, but I must admit I like having Lindsay Lohan on my facebook! Haha.
Also, I'm curious as to when they started their relationship. Does anyone have an idea of how long they've been together?
Jealous Lohan takes it out on poor Olsen twin
While Lohan appears to have imbibed Saturday night, video by TMZ shows she wasn't plastered as she returned "home" with Ronson (some photos suggested she was but most didn't). So why the drinks all of a sudden. It appears along with being parent related (the primary cause), it's some jealousy too.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04222008/gossip/pagesix/sams_all_hers_107606.htm
I can see her being jealous of Mary-Kate Olsen (her and Ronson are close) but not Ashley. Guess Lindsay can't tell them apart. Here's footage of Lindsay and Samantha after the DJ event Saturday night. Lindsay better learn that one thing that will drive someone you love away is jealousy (but again she does not look plastered at all).
http://www.tmz.com/2008/04/20/who-took-a-dump-in-her-afikomen/
The homophobia under some of these posts on some gossip sites is disgusting. I could have sworn it's 2008.
Ouch!
Looks like they're gonna be breaking up soon! But i seriously don't think Samantha in gonna start dating Ashley Olsen, c'mon why is Lindsay being all jealous, they are obviously just friends talking to each other, what's wrong with that?
And about people being homophobic, they're gonna be everywhere but it's better just to ignore them because they're always gonna be around unfortunatley! But there's probably more gay people and people who are excepting of gay people then there are homophobics.
Not the first time
BritishLily, if we see Linds hanging around a man it definitely will be phony romance time. Linds and Sam have an interesting dynamic. Sam puts up with the fake boyfriend nonsense but Linds has no patience for women conversing at Sam. The difference is in their personalities. Sam is apparently laidback, calm and doesn't mind the drama (though she doesn't partake) while Linds is very emotional and possesive. As for a real breakup (not some look Linds is with this guy at a club or hand in hand on a beach set up), I don't see it happening anytime soon. If it happens it will be Sam breaking up with Linds but again Sam has shown the patience of Job (Sam's only outward sign of losing it being that Sunset Blvd argument last May).
Here's what I see happening.
1) Linds will be told by her management to take the facebook down. 2) Linds will be told to show up at some event with some obscure man (obscure men are picked because they are the ones willing to play fake boyfriend for some photo ops 3) Us Weekly or People do set up articles on Linds finding happiness with said man 4) She sees Sam whenever she can and once Sam gives up on the romance, Linds sees other women discreetly 5) Only the most naive or slow viewers fall for it it at first 6) Time fades away and either Lohan becomes a has been freeing her to come out of the closet at the age of 36 or Lohan stays a star and comes out at the age of 48.
Here's what I hope happens. Linds comes out of the closet and stops this nonsense, once and for all.
More L word Speculation
So I happened to be rewatching episode five of this season's L Word yesterday and in the scene where all the actors are introducing themselves I noticed Niki was wearing aviators and flashed the peace sign. Hmm.. who else do I know that does that a lot?
After reading about the whole Niki/Lindsay theory I couldn't help thinking that was deliberate.
Hehe
Ok, so I had Best Week Ever
She supposedly said ''Get
Some links
Scout, I put a link in my April 22 (10:19 AM) post if that helps. The Lohan/Olsen stuff also made the cover of People magazine and Ronson-Lohan stuff is in pretty much in all the tabloids or other mags (the exception being US Weekly) this week. Since the last weekend Lohan/Ronson are again being careful not to be photographed together.
Here's some links for just the last few days. Needless to say the "two bedroom suite" is the object of some heavy eye rolling on the net. Even if they had gotten separate suites it's hard to fall for this anymore.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20194967,00.html
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b133125_Lohan-Ronson_Club_Crasher_Arrested.html
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20195696,00.html
something's changed
I don't know...I think Lindsay is newly committed to her relationship with Sam and might even come out in the near future. Despite all the press last weekend about her fighting with Ashley Olsen and drinking again, here she is on another weekend away with Sam in Chicago and Las Vegas. If she really cared about what people thought of her being gay/bisexual, she would have stayed home and well away from Sam. I think this is a really positive thing!
Here are some photographs of them both at the Kayne concert last night:
They're so cute on that
Lindsay Ronson <3
most people on the internet seem to think that Sam & Linds are definitely a couple and that they're not fooling anyone anymore. I agree with them.
now let's wait for a coming out.
omg it'd be EPIC.
I'd actually like it if
I'd actually like it if Lindsay was gay. I mean, I'd love it even more a few years ago when I was crushing on her. Even though I can't really stand her now I'd still like to see someone who is big in the media to come out. I think that Sam is too hot though. That little hat she wears, I'm just like "yes please.".
Sorry Ediana, didn't see the links. Thanks for clueing me in.
Sometimes open - sometimes not
Pinka9, I hope so. I wonder if she was more open on those photos because they were not taken by paparazzi (and she wasn't as concerned about them hitting the net). It's clear she wants to be with Sam all the time but on the other hand is careful about just being out with it. The rifts in their relationship over the last few years has always been the latter (even though they always seem to come back to each other). I prefer the photos you posted to the ones taken yesterday (here's the link). I hope this has more to do with an anger at the paparazzi. If Lindsay however is doing this because she is afraid, I'd be a bit worried if I was Sam.
http://icydk.com/2008/04/27/lindsay-lohan-hiding-her-face-while-leaving-koi-with-samantha-ronson-yesterday/
Scout, I think Sam is hot too. It's interesting that a lot of sites go on about how in the world Linds would find Sam sexy (she would be many a femme's dream) and go into the disparaging stuff (saying they can't tell if she's a man or woman - what nonsense). If I was a solo woman in Hollywood and ran into her, I'd definitely would be flirting. Also think Lohan's cute too especially now (freckles!) - especially when she lays off the makeup.
She's one confusing girl...
Pinka9, I hope so. I wonder if she was more open on those photos because they were not taken by paparazzi (and she wasn't as concerned about them hitting the net). It's clear she wants to be with Sam all the time but on the other hand is careful about just being out with it. The rifts in their relationship over the last few years has always been the latter (even though they always seem to come back to each other). I prefer the photos you posted to the ones taken yesterday (here's the link). I hope this has more to do with an anger at the paparazzi. If Lindsay however is doing this because she is afraid, I'd be a bit worried if I was Sam.
I see what you mean, Ediana. If you look at the video of them leaving Koi, she's walking really close to Sam and as soon as she sees the paparazzi, she covers her face and walks away from her. But I laughed so much at the end when the cameraman asks her if she has a problem with Ashley Olsen and she starts running away as fast as she can. Yet in this photo, it seems like she's deliberately making sure the paparazzi get a shot of her S.R. ring:
Maybe she just can't make up her mind? Or her management is trying to influence her? But I'm really curious, how long do you think they've been together?
All I can say is that even
Lindsay and Sam - at home Friday
Lindsay is staying in LA filming UGLY BETTY while Sam has to be in Atlantic City tonight (needless to say Lindsay probably not in the best mood). In the olden days, this would have been just the right time to have a fake boyfriend night so the tabloids would shy away (and the last two weeks Sam and Lindsay have been featured in pretty much every tabloid and celeb magazine). This time it feels different and much stronger with the two. So here's some photographs from Friday as Lindsay and Sam at home. Lindsay at the window is very striking....Sam at the same window not so much this time (and usually I find Sam to be the hotter one).
http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/2008/05/03/lindsay_lohan_on_ugly_betty.php
there is a compelling case
there is a compelling case for them having a relationship eh. I'd be happy for Lindsay if she came out. Though the initial moments would be hellish, in the long run it would probably make people back off because there was less of a story to uncover. Anyways, I hope she's happy. It's hard to feel like you can't come out, yet rationalize that you love someone, because in a lot of ways those two cognitions conflict each other.. because if you love someone it makes you want to come out, but if you refuse to come out, that has to make you rationalize that you don't love that person that much.
LL/SR community at livejournal
Ugh! Now TMZ is reporting
Now horrible TMZ is reporting that Lindsay and Joel (Madden) were hooking up or something. Did TMZ make this lie up on their own, or do you think the photo and item were sent by Lohan's camp? I can't imagine her publicist would do this, as it is just too dumb, even for them, but who knows. Here's the link:
http://www.tmz.com/2008/05/06/joel-and-lindsay-get-hot-and-hornitos/#comments
It's clear to me that they were trying to talk in a loud and crowded party...which Ronson was also spinning at, and during which Joel told a reporter that he was planning something nice for Nicole for Mother's Day. Further, Joel seems like a very good guy and he's been tight with Linds and Sam for years, correct? And anyway, Lohan doesn't seem to be playing along with these "let's find her a beard" games anymore. I think that type of behavior is over, thank God!
EDITED to Add : Further proof that TMZ is full of hot air...X17 Online just posted a vid of Sam and Linds leaving that same party together, and Sam dropping her off (at what appears to be Sam's house... It's all very confusing. Maybe Sam stayed in the car in order to park it? Caus I think you can hear her say to a pap, "Get away from my house" but I'm not sure if that's her voice. Check it out and tell me what you think!!
http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/lindsay_lohan/lindsay_sam_party_at_crown_bar.php
What Sam said
Just to add to what I said
"Meanwhile, Lindsay Lohan arrived with BFF Sam and snagged a table right next to the DJ booth. And although she proceeded to talk to Joel, they looked strictly friendly, despite what the photo suggests. "He is so devoted to Nicole, and that baby was all he talked about," says a source.
In fact, when Joel left the party, he told guests he'd be getting up early the next morning to watch Harlow so Nic could sleep in. He did kiss Lindsay goodbye, but on the cheek."
Comical
Erin0291, It's more like typical heterosexism at work. Lohan is listening to one of her best friends Joel Madden (with one hand on her knee and the other over her stomach) and now they are dating. Of course her and Sam aren't because Hollywood starlets never fall in love with the same sex. Nonsense indeed. E Online's report pretty much has everything down pat by the way from what I've heard.
Ronson dropping Lohan off in front of the house is so she can run in without too many photos being taken. That's what she usually does, then she parks the car and comes in.
As for Joel Madden, he is extremely tight with Lohan and Ronson. Ronson and Richie are true BFF's (platonic only - no innuendo) and are always there for each other. That friendship is now a foursome with the two couples going out to eat and to events together.
Here's Joel and Samantha from last night.
http://popsugar.com/gallery/521257?page=0,15,0
Here's who Lindsay sat with most of the night next to Sam's DJ booth.
http://popsugar.com/gallery/521257?page=0,13,0
Here's an article trying to imply Sam and Nicole are together (as much nonsense as the TMZ joke).
http://www.hollyscoop.com/nicole-richie/nicole-richie-gets-down-for-disney_11286.aspx
And here's Sam and Lindsay out yesterday afternoon. Notice they are wearing the same pins and everything else.
http://www.gossipgirls.com/lindsay-lohan/lindsay-lohan-ready-tv-stardom?profile=82792
This is long.
Ediana, excellent post, and thank you for the links! Isn't it all just utterly infuriating though -- this atrocious behavior by TMZ and many other gossip outlets? If we (you and I, and People and E!) know better, then they most certainly do too, which makes it all the more maddening.
Now please put my mind at ease about one more thing -- Sam is well known around town to be openly gay, is she not? Why on earth, then, does she insist upon using 'boy' in her song lyrics? It confuses me beyond comprehension. I like her very, very much, but does she seriously think we believe for one instant that she's into boys? Or is this a simple case of wanting distribution and knowning she won't get it if she uses "I wanna taste you, girl" instead of "I wanna taste you, boy"? If so, then that's actually really sad and Hollywood is a crueler place than I thought.
In happier news, what are your thoughts are on the Ronson/Lohan relationship at present time? For me personally, it seems as though something has shifted in these past couple months (for the better!) and even more so in the past couple of days (specifically since Sam got back from Atlantic City). They're not walking apart anymore, and they both just seem much more relaxed and genuinely elated, almost, to be together. Just truly and utterly happy. Look at their faces in these pictures:
http://pacificcoastnewsonline.com/2008/05/ay-carumba-its-lindsay-lohan.html?bfm_index=3And notice, in this video, how they're walking close to one another, for once, and how couple-y they're acting:
http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/lindsay_lohan/x17_xclusive_lindsay_and_sam_c.phpCan you make out what they're saying to each other as they walk back to Sam's car? I've been trying to decipher it but there seems to be a wind tunnel happening in the paparazzi's camera.
Of course, they still won't confirm the paparrazi's inquiries as to whether or not they are an actual couple, but they haven't denied it either (or at least, not lately. Sam did once respond, when caught off-gaurd, with "Are you retarded?" to one paparrazi who asked, but that was a while ago and even then she still didn't say no. She then nervously drank from her can of Red Bull and started walking 5 miles a minute, which kind of answers the question, in my opinion, but then again...I really want them to be a couple, so. =)
Since they seem much more at ease lately (both with each other and in public), I'm wondering if you think it is at all possible and plausible that the next step for them is coming out publicly...? Or, do you think they already consider themselves "out"? I remember when Portia was with Francesca Gregorini...she never hid her...or denied her, persay...but if you don't necessarily acknowledge the person publicly, isn't that a form of denying them anyway? (NOT that they owe it to 'the public' to acknowledge anything...just to the person they're with, I think. But it's a tough, tough spot to be in...in general, and then especially at the age Lindsay's at, and in the business that she's in, and then on top of that, with what she's gone through in the past couple years... I actually really feel for the girl.)
Part of the Territory
A clearly innocent photo of two people talking being seen as something deeper is nothing new. Every star in Hollywood understands that a photo printed of them with the opposite sex will be branded as a "Are they hooking up?" shot, no matter the scenario. It's part of the territory and blogs (like mags) know that many people want heterosexual gossip (Michael Musto wrote an excellent piece recently on how people get upset and defensive at gay gossip).
I look for something deeper. For example with Ronson and Lohan, despite plenty of rumors, it was the Memorial Day Weekend and the video footage of it (the tons of stuff since doesn't hurt) that did it. Once I saw that it was clear as could be this was not just BFF's.
As for Lohan coming out, this might be the most she comes out (and I do think she is trying to be out while not being out if that makes sense - the Billy Bush interview seemed to hint at that dichotomy) until later in life if ever. It's a shame but Lohan probably will be put under great pressure to play it straight and soon. Many straight actresses feel compelled to break up with boyfriends that are their true loves so they can hook up with a big name actor. Being a lesbian or bisexual actress (talking of the Maxim type) is even more pressure filled to mantain a certain image (to combat rumors). I feel for Lohan too. I think The L Word this season really captured it with Niki (speculated here and on other sites as possibly based on Lohan) in that an actress is both not hiding and yet is hiding. It is fascinating and sad stuff.
The Atlantic City visit (where Lohan had to stay back to work on Ugly Betty) was apparently the first time they were apart in a long time. When one is away it can cause some heavy duty reflection to go on. Now I got to catch South of Nowhere in French.
What Memorial day weekend, Ediana? Your post was May 6th?
Here's my theory: I think Sam and Lindsay are good friends. As Sam is good friends with the Olsen twins, Nicole Richie, Mishcha Barton and the other slew of celebrity females she acquaints herself with. Being in the recent months that all these rumors have surfaced and the public display of affection recently, I believe its all a publicity stunt. Lohan is getting the attention she needs for her upcoming new movies and ads. It also takes the focus off of her DUI and cocaine episodes. As for Ronson, I believe it helps her with more DJ gigs. I believe that Sam is becoming more in demand since this has surfaced. I didn't really know much about her until the whole Cannes film festival was brought up. In which that whole thing at Cannes looked pretty schemed to me. I think Lindsay tried to play with the media to see how far it would go. All those pics of them at Cannes didn't seem like a natural display of affection. I mean if she wanted to really wanted to lock lips with Sam, they wouldn't have given us a pic that was more left to the imagination than anything else. A photog ask sam on a video if she's received more hits on her myspace since Lindsay's DUI stint. Sam was quoted one time saying to a photog that she has 20,000 friends on her myspace page. And doesn't believe that it has anything to do with her knowing Lindsay.
Sam also does seem to know how to pic her troubled celeb friends; Nicole Richie, Micha Barton, Lindsay Lohan, Mary Kate Olsen. All whom have been know for the troubles with addictions, hard partying, or drunken states. So I wouldn't say Samantha isn't an enabler of some sorts. On youtube, there was a video of Sam in which it looked like a drug transaction at some suspicious looking dude's place. Not to say that I don't think Sam is gay. That I do think that she is. I also understand that Sam has to be careful not to put her sexuality "so out there" in the public to protect her family. Her brother Mark is a well known music producer. Her twin sister is a known fashion designer with stores in NY and Japan. Her younger sister a model. Her mother a socialite and writer. Her step father is the guitarist in the band Foreigner. And just because she is good friends with Lindsay doesn't mean they're an item. Before Nicole Richie's arrest she was seen around town shopping and lunching with Sam in LA. Ronson tried to make it as a musician before and now is falling back on her DJ gigs to maintain a career. I'm sure her family is trying to be understanding as Sam attempts more risky public tactics in order to boost her DJ career.
As for why she lives in LA and party with celebrities instead of hangin in the gay and lesbian community. Well I think the pay is better for one. Networking yourself for career benefits is a plus. I think celebrities like hanging out with gay people as much as gay people like hanging out with celebrities, like Rosie and Ellen. Before those two were even "out" they already had hung out with tons of celebrities. Why didn't anyone say that Rosie was dating Madonna when they were hanging out? Or that she was with Cyndi Lauper? Well there you have it folks. I look at Lindsay and Samantha's relationship like that of Madonna and Rosie's relationship.
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Huh. A friend who knows I'm a pop culture junkie asked me if I knew anything about this & lo, and behold - there's an active AE thread 'bout these two ... hee!
Ms. Lohan is in that truely miserable place for former child stars who are female. She's trying to transition into an adult acting career and into an adult personal life. Like Jodi Foster and Brooke Shields before her, she is separating from her old management - Mom - and moving on to learning the basics of taking care of herself and her career. Unfortunately, she isn't doing this while hiding out in an East Coast college, so all her mistakes are right there for the paps to photograph and plaster all over the interwebs. Add to that to wildly dyfunctional parents, what looks like a pretty serious alcohol addiction, and it's kind of surprising that she's still standing.
She has still has legal problems stemming from the DUI arrest, she has to prove to the entertainment industry that she is stable and reliable if she wants to have any sort of career, and she's still apparently struggling with staying sober. At this point, it could just be that coming out might be seen as one drama too many for someone with a myriad of other, very serious problems. Anybody who decides to extend their stay in rehab clearly has major issues which may well not have been resolved yet.
Taking the Portia di Rossi approach to being out might be a smart move for these two. It keeps the level of gossip low without making them actually lie. And it buys them time to be together without having every move they make as a couple examined on the front page of every tab.
Happy Item
I like the way they are dealing with the paparazzi. Clearly they have not denied each other nor confirmed their status as an item. The Important thing about this whole thing is that they seem happy. In my opinion I think that liloh is starting to gain some balance in her life and clearly samantha is a crucial person in that balance. Check this video its all smiles:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/lindsay_lohan/x17_xclusive_lindsay_plus_sam_equals_fun-05082008.php
I don't think samantha
Her brother Mark..
I'm There
Andrea20, I'm with you. Saying Samantha Ronson is a lesbian is like saying Elton John is gay. Silly people still say Elton is gay and it's ridiculous. After all, he wrote all those songs about women and he was even married to a woman. Why do people go there with Samantha. Just because Lindsay Lohan called her her girlfriend in front of Ashley Olson and just because Lohan has called her a lesbian during their spats and there were those supposed MySpace love letters and Lohan calls herself Lindsay Ronson on her facebook and sources in those magazines and tabloids say they are living and sleeping together...well I just don't get it either. After all she wrote songs about boys when she tried to make it in the pop business in the early 2000's. Thanks for clearing up that Ronson is a lesbian nonsense. I don't know what I was thinking pondering Ronson and Lohan are a couple (well besides everything pointing to it).
BTW, I love Ronson's cover of Boys Don't Cry. More proof what with boys being in the title. And those magazines all lie...why they said Rosie, Ellen, and Portia were lesbians. Yeah, right.
On a serious note, while Samantha's soft butch appearance may give a sense of lesbian vibe (and may play some part in people pondering these two being a couple - if you check prior posts though her look is not brought up much at all), there are a variety to how people of sexual orientations look (and that includes lesbian).
Huh? What was that Ediana?
Sam and Lindsay were in
Sam and Lindsay were in Paris yesterday!
notice the hickey on Sam's neck.
paris
here's another picture from their vacation in paris
also a picture of them from a party at the cannes film festival, page six is reporting that they were making out all night or something.
The latest yet again
While Star Magazine is busy making something out of nothing (a photo of two friends talking) with an already discredited story...hence them winning
http://poponthepop.com/2008/05/15/dumbest-rumor-of-the-week/
the more astute are noticing the obvious such as the possesive love mark vodz pointed out
http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/2008/05/13/name_the_source_of_samantha_ronsons_hickey.php
Sam and Lindsay seem to have maken up from their fights last week (but don't these two always have spats). I wonder if this one is over Sam being seen with a famous actress in NY. While Lindsay really looked mad at Sam when they first arrived in Paris the tide has turned.
http://x17online.com/celebrities/lindsay_lohan/if_the_shoe_fits-05142008.php
but here's the best.
http://gone-hollywood.com/2008/05/lindsay-lohan-samantha-ronson-caught-cuddling/
At first, I was getting a
At first, I was getting a little concerned watching the footage of them in Paris, as Lindsay didn't look happy at all. But now it really seems as though the tide has turned and they seem very close and content -- maybe more than ever. That last pic is so beyond cute, w/Lohan resting her head on Sam's shoulder. And it's clearly genuine. I truly have never seen a picture of Lindsay like that with any man. I've only ever seen choreographed 'beach' shots, to which even my sister said, "What movie are those stills from?" (And she wasn't trying to be sarcastic.)
This relationship is clearly different (mainly because it's, you know, real), and I'm happy for her but also worried, because I don't think she could handle a heartbreak. Speaking of which, Ediana, concerning Sam's trip to NY -- do you think something happened btwn her and Jodie Foster? (Especially now with the news that Foster has ended her relationship.) I just don't understand why she didn't tell Lindsay about it. Well I guess whatever happened or didn't happen, at least it's in the past now, and the two are happily enjoying the present.