News, Reviews & Commentary on Lesbian and Bisexual women in Entertainment and the Media

Obama vs. Clinton debate turns violent

  

Family Political Debate Turns Violent

COLLEGEVILLE, Pa. (CBS 3) ― The Montgomery County District Attorney's Office is investigating a politically motivated stabbing that left one in-law hospitalized and another in prison.

Authorities said brother-in-laws Jose Ortiz and Sean Shurelds were involved in a verbal altercation over Democratic presidential hopefuls Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton when the argument escalated into a stabbing inside their family home on Honeylocust Court in Collegeville.

Authorities said Ortiz, a registered Republican and Clinton supporter, allegedly stabbed Shurelds, an Obama supporter, in the stomach. Ortiz told police Shurelds began to choke him, so he grabbed a knife and stabbed him.

"Their verbal argument turned physical, one began choking the other, and then the victim of the choking took a kitchen knife and stabbed his brother-in-law in the stomach," Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Ferman said.

According to the criminal complaint, Ortiz told police he initially placed the knife in the sink, before placing the knife in the dishwasher, where it was found by police.

Shurelds was flown to Hahnemann University Hospital and was listed in critical condition. He is expected to recover from his wounds.

Ortiz, 28, was jailed on $20,000 bail. He is facing charges of felony, aggravated assault, and other related offenses.

"It is a very serious charge, we see people fight over many things; some of them very frivolous, some of them serious, the fact of the matter is that this is the kind of argument that takes place in households across the region, across the state, across the country, but it never turns violent like this," Ferman said.

If convicted on the felony aggravated assault charge, Ortiz could face up to 20 years in prison. Ortiz has a court hearing scheduled for March 4.

 

I'm glad to hear the Obama supporter wasn't the aggressor ;).


lesandre's picture

well...

"I'm glad to hear the Obama supporter wasn't the aggressor ;)."

Im Swedish so I'm not really a supporter of any specific democratic representative, but if the Obama supporter was choking the other person you can't really say he was completely innocent can you?

groovygirl's picture

Yes

The Obama supporter was the aggressor.  He began choking his brother first, and his brother responded by stabbing him.  Both of them were in the wrong, and they both should face prosecution.  It's tragic that they have damaged their relationship as brothers over politics.   
lesandre's picture

agree

I don't get how fights get out of hand like that, especially over something like which candidate you support. I mean, we don't always agree in my family over politics and stuff but you don't get physical over it! It's ok to disagree with people and to express different opinions. It's sad really.
The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

Why are you guys believing

Why are you guys believing the word of the guy who stabbed his brother in law and assuming he was the "victim" ???????

weeeitspanda's picture

Well..

If the choking statement was not true - wouldn't they have a counter statement from the stabbed brother-in-law?
Peachblossom720's picture

The charge may not be true,

The charge may not be true, because the police probably would consider the stabbing to be self defense.  If someone is choking you, you have every right to try anything you can to get them to stop, even if that means using deadly force.
Hijinx's picture

If

this is self defense, why put the knife in the sink and then think better of it and place it in the dishwasher? 

They may not have been able to get a statement from the stabbing victim yet as he was listed in critical condition.

I am sure they will check Ortiz for marks or bruising that could prove his story.  If he's telling the truth, he should have some kind of marks.

 

 

 

groovygirl's picture

Oh my gosh, I can't believe

Oh my gosh, I can't believe this is becoming an Obama/Hillary debate.  I did not take the word of the Hillary supporter, I read the statement of the district attorney.  She is the one who said one brother started to choke the other and then was stabbed in response. 

If someone is choking you, it is potentially a fatal situation.  If you stab them to get them to stop, then that is generally considered self-defense.  The fact that the brother hid the knife indicates that there is possibly more to it than that.  We don't have all the facts because one brother is in the hospital.  Regardless of who started it or who is really at fault, this should not be fodder for either party to slam the other. 

 

The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

lighten up--I was only

lighten up--I was only joking about being glad the Obama supporter was not the aggressor- I was thinking about Hillary's tirade on Saturday when I put that.

groovygirl's picture

Hey I'm chillin...just

Hey I'm chillin...just didn't want this tragedy to turn into a political argument, on either side.  :) 
jennifer from pittsburgh's picture

This is a punch line, right?

Two idiots walk into a bar...
IllyriaElysium's picture

...

...but the next guy ducks.

 Sorry.  Just couldn't resist.


User login

Recent comments

After Ellen home page on logo online