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Gays in the military, we are moving forward!!

This is an article from a gay Norwegian web site.

It deals with a young man who decided to come out to his fellow soldiers. I felt so happy after having read it, that I thought I would share it with you all.

 

 

Copyright belongs to gaysir.no, I've only translated.

 

http://www.gaysir.no/artikkel.cfm?CID=12715



The King's gay man


written by: Einar Lie Slangsvold


Jonas Borge saw no alternative other than telling the other Royal Guards that he was gay. The
reception he got could not have been better.

-During the first month I spent at the Royal Guard Academy at Terningmoen I tried making up
a story of a fictional girlfriend, but I quickly realized that it wouldn't work, Jonas
tells.

-It was hard, trying to hide a part of myself.

It did not take long until he decided to have a talk with his lieutenant.

-I grabbed the lieutenant right before he was about to walk off the shooting course, and
scheduled a meeting with him later that day, the boy from Halden explains.



Jonas Borge has just finished his first military service
Photo: Einar Lie Slangsvold

Only positive reactions

The lieutenant told him that he would in no way be considered a worse soldier due to his sexual
orientation, but still recommened that Jonas go see the military priest at the academy.

-She told me of the possible challenges one might have to face as a gay in the military, but she
was thrilled about the fact that I wanted to come out, he tells.

Jonas and the lieutenant agreed that they would adress the issue in the troop assembly the next
day.

The assembly started with the lieutenant giving info on what would occur during the next few
weeks of service. Then he let Jonas speak, so he could tell his fellow soldiers himself.

-I was incredibly nervous, but I told them that if anyone of them had a problem with my
sexuality, that they could tell me about it, so that we would be able to keep our distance from
each other, Jonas says.

After Jonas had made his speech, the lieutenant again adressed the group, and clearly stated that bullying in any form, was in no way accepted within the troop. No one in Jonas' troop reacted
negatively, and he would definately encourage other gays in the military to come out.

-Even though I got a good reception, someone else might get an entirely different one, he says, and adds that this is something that everyone has to think through on their own.

-But it's tiring being in the closet. You always have to be on guard. When people knew that I was gay, I felt I could relax more, Jonas tells.

-Matter of course

Jonas thinks it should be a matter of course that today's young soldiers do not carry predjudices or react negatively to fellow soldiers who happen to be gay.

-It's much more common today, to be openly homosexual then it was just a few years ago, so this shouldn't be a problem for young people today, says the 22-year-old, who finished his first military service just before New Year's.



Jonas feels he has gotten a good reception in the Norwegian Military. Here he is out on a drill.
Photo: Øystein Kløvstad Langberd/Soldatnytt.

From what Jonas can tell, 'homo' is a rarely used cuss word in the military.

-Some commanding officer could say that we did push-ups like a girl, or that our loading grip
was gay, but I managed to raise above such things.

The officer who had used such words, later apologized to Jonas, and said that sadly, he had been trained in a time when there were hardly any girls or gays in the military.

-It also happened that I played on gay predjudices, such as femininity and stupidity, he says.

The Guard's ball

Royal Guard Borge also attended the tradition-filled Royal Guard's Ball with a boy as his date.

-Yeah, I was under such peer-pressure from the troop that I just about had to, Jonas says and laughs.

He also wanted to end his year in the King's uniform with a bang.

Jonas admits that he was a bit nervous when he introduced his date to the Ball General and Chief of the Royal Guard, but the two of them told him very clearly that if any hints of bullying ocurred, that all doubt would go in his favor.

-In that way, maybe my date and I were put a bit more on the agenda than we wanted, but thankfully, it didn't affect the mood.

During the evening several other Guards wanted to talk to Jonas and introduced their dates to him.

-As the evening went on, and people started getting drunk I kept getting a lot of praise for having brought a boy as my date.


Jonas is left with happy memories and good experiences after a year in the King's uniform.
Photo: Einar Lie Slangsvold.

Self Development

After a year in the Royal Guard, Jonas is left with many good experiences and memories, and he thinks that the environment isn't as masculine as people make it out to be.

-You don't become Arnold Schwarzenegger by joining the Norwegian Military, he explains.

Jonas Borge feared it could be a year of hell, but afterwards he is sure that he has grown both physically and psychically from his year as a Royal Guard.

-The military is open for everyone, and maybe they should market this better, he says. He adds that he has never met gays who have steared clear of the military due to fear of discrimination.

-You get the world's smallest closet wardrobe! That might be a challenge, Jonas concludes, with a sparkle in his eye.

 

(extra information: In Norway, a lot of boys do their first military service when about 18-years-old, which lasts for a year. It is isn't quite mandatory these days, so a lot of boys skip it. As of last year, girls are also called in for the physical tests you take before they decide where to place you, but for girls it is very optional whether you wish to go into the military or not.)

 

so, if you live in a country where the military isn't quite this open-minded, just know that things are moving forward in the world. slowly but surely.


incurablygay's picture

That's a great and

That's a great and inspiring story absentminded87. And unfortunately that probably won't happen in the US for at least a decade. I know I should be more optimistic, but we're pretty behind the Scandinavian countries when it comes to gay rights.

If our military was like that, as a gay man, i wouldn't mind signing up.

kez82's picture

The Australian armed forces

I am in the Royal Australian Navy, and although I am very much in the close it has nothing to do with fear of not being accepted by the Service.  Over here the military recognises same sex de facto relationships in the same way they recognise straight defacto/married relationships.  We also have a strong equity and diversity program to ensure harassment of any kind is first prevented, but if suffered, does not go unpunished.
smmyg1rl's picture

US military

it'd be comforting to be open while proudly serving like the australians do...
Z3C's picture

This is great

I'm glad to see some countries are making progress on this front.  I was shocked at how receptive his fellow soldiers were.  If he'd pulled that here in the US he would have been harrassed just as much as he was praised, but likely more harrassed.  Ultimately he would have been kicked out. 

So how about it US Army? 

Incurablygay, although I agree with you I really hope it doesn't take the US military another decade to change.  I'd possibly consider staying in longer if they changed the rules.

The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

I honestly can't understand

I honestly can't understand why gays in the US would want to serve in the armed services after the way they have been treated-- vilified as deviants and pervents by the armed forces leadership. I believe we should have the right to do so and they should be on  their knees apologizing, hoping that we join, not that we should have to beg to be let in, especially after the war that bush started under false premises.
wwxd's picture

man...

Yeah it's a really tough issue. It raises more questions than answers.

http://www.youtube.com/sinfulhex

Tara Smith's picture

I don't think the US is that far off

OK first, yes don't ask don't tell is out dated. However, unless your in the military, you probably don't know the whole order. As in Don't ask Don't tell Don't pursue. I've been meaning to write a retort about the whole L word story line. It is out dated and over the top. I'm not saying the military isn't with out its' witch hunts, but Generally those types of things stem from personal vendettas. As such, I could buy off on the whole L word scenario if someone in her change of command had a personal grudge with the Capt. I've known a few people to get discharged under the DADT clause, a better majority were straight using it to get out and keep their benefits. One was gay, but wanted out of the contract and wanted to keep the GI Bill. Another, invited the entire detachment to her wedding with her girlfriend. This was after the CO had repeatedly helped her avoid investigation. Other than that, practicality sets in. Recruiting is at an all time low and retention is ridiculous. The Army has practically adopted a We're not asking and Please don't tell , but if you do, we are going to plug our ears and hummm. Case in point... http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2008-01-07-gay-troops_N.htm

I'll admit, yes if you run around base with a pink triangle tattooed some where and waving a rainbow flag, you are asking for an investigation. Further, it would be nice if the military got over it already and let service members be who they are. In the meantime, I would point out that the actual order sates "Homosexual activity" needs to be proven to fit the elements of the case. That isn't as easy to prove, depending on the presiding judge. Much like adultery, also a punishable offence in the military, you have to have concrete evidence. As in video tape, pictures or an out right confession. I am in no way defending the stupidity of oppressing gays in the military. It sucks, but I think it is misperceived by the general populace. I will also add things very from service to service and from command to command. I belive it won't be long befor DADT is abolished. Espesialy if a democrat lands in office in November.
The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

I guess maybe the cases I've

I guess maybe the cases I've seen in the media are outdated. Did you see the 60 minutes story a few weeks ago http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/13/60minutes/main3615278.shtml . It talked about how in one case DADT was ignored while in others it was pursued, depending on rank, gender and the job one has in the military. 12,000 is a lot of people to have been discharged under this policy. I don't have inside information like you do, I just know what's in the media.
Tara Smith's picture

Ya the Media

I've been in for almost seven years and you are right rank and job do play into it. If you are a lowering ranking service member, first you don't know enough about policy to protect your self and second, you aren't as trained and thus not as valuable. Some jobs come with a lot of expensive, difficult traing, so retention is hard, because often service members get the training for free and then don't re-enlist for higher paying civilian jobs. Thus, those commands tend to over look things like being gay. I didn't see the 60 story I just read about it. It is one of the few storys I've seen that has shown the shift though. I loved the first season of the L word, but with the whole DADT story line I just can't watch. It has nothing to do with Alice's anti-military sentiment. I think that is fine. It is just I feel it isn't accurate in the way it shows the current environment of the military. Again, if they included something about someone having a personal vendetta against the Tasha, I would totally buy off on it. I do wish the policy would go away, it is stupid, but I knew what I was getting into when I signed up. However, in the military you get to help protect rights, not always enjoy them. We have freedom of speech limitations aswell. you are right though, some are more vigorusly pursued than others. However, I think you could say that of civilian employment as well. Civilian life isn't woth out its' office politics.
The Emperor Has No Clothes's picture

So can gays in the military

So can gays in the military talk about their partners the same way straights can? Not being able to discuss the same family/spouse things with my coworkers that heterosexuals can would get under my skin, particularly if I was overseas and away from her.
Z3C's picture

Yeah

The attitude in the military is definitely changing.  In fact I've known one friend that got off after being investigated.  She's still in the Army right now and when I talked to one of her commanders this summer he said she was an awesome officer. 

I agree that the Army/military isn't persuing investigation on gays if they can help it, but yes if you walk around proclaiming it to all, then you'd be investigated.  I think the post/base you are at also plays a part, because certain places are not as open to change (cough*Bragg*cough).  Just as with anything, keep your job and personal life separate and there shouldn't be too much trouble.  Yes it sucks to have to "hide", and that's probably the hardest thing. 

Hopefully, things will change soon.  I don't think it'll necessarily be because a dem gets elected, but more so that the military needs to keep its people and doesn't have any other choice unless they want to reinstate the draft.  We'll see I guess.

Tara Smith's picture

It is funny you say bragg

I was in Fayetteville tonight for the Kelly Clarkson consert. I'm not in the Army though.
Z3C's picture

Fayetteville

Man what a hell of a town.  It has to rank as one of the trashiest places I've been in.  Actually, Manhattan, Kansas outside of Fort Riley is probably just as bad. 

 I'm sure Kelly made it all worth it though! 

 

not only but also's picture

But isn't that the problem?

But isn't that the problem? You can still be investigated for being gay. So, some people know how to get out of the investigation or get past the issue, that's great; but it's still an issue for some members and it's still discrimination (assuming no one gets investigated for being hetero). The difference in some of the other forces described above is that you aren't investigated for being gay; they have a policy of acceptance and inclusion.

I agree - it's a complex issue and I won't prejudge anyone else, but I know I couldn't lay down my life for an institution/country that held me in such contempt. If things are changing, they need to change quicker.

Not Only But Also

Tara Smith's picture

Like I said

in the military you get to help protect rights, not always enjoy them. We have freedom of speech limitations aswell. They discriminate on all sorts of things in the military. Disabilities, weight and drug use. I mean if you didn't show up for work tomarrow, would they throw you in jail? No. Not so much with the military. Ya, I agree the plicy should change. That is the great thing about voting. It is a process dependent on the free will of the populace. And ya Fayetville. What a rough crowd. I'm glad I'm not stationed there. I'm about two an a half hours away.
B1T's picture

I'm just happy

there's no such problem in the Norwegian Armed Forces. Both me and my girlfreind work in the aremd forces (not together). And we attend each others social events like every other couple.
pecola's picture

Gays in the Military = More Lesbian Attacks

Yesterday, the Military Personnel subcommittee (of the House Armed Services Committee) held the first hearing in 15 years on the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell polcy.

The progressive side was well-represented by gay veterans, but the substantive debate over the issue was overshadowed by the shear batshit lunacy ofE Elaine Donnelly of the Center for Military Readiness---though, I suppose one could argue since there's no rational argument to be made for keeping gays out of the military, it's inevitable that their argument would devolve in this...but I digress...

In her testimony, Donnelly warned that if gays were allowed to serve openly in the military, there would be rampant lesbian attacks and a dramatic increase in HIV/AIDS among servicemen. You can watch an archived version of the hearing courtesy of the C-SPAN archives, check out the coverage at Pam's House Blend or read Dana Millbank's scathing column today in the Washington Post.

The most testy exchange was between Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-PA) and Elaine Donnelly; here's the video

I told you, batshit lunacy.

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"The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right..." - Judge Learned Hand, The Spirit of Liberty

carmbridge's picture

Thanks for the video

Donnelly is an idiot.  She def made herself to look like an idiot.

 Hopefully, our Congress will gain some sense and repeal the law.  It's stupid and the sooner they realize that, the better.

xethos's picture

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I actually am in the process of getting out of the Army. Long short story, got hurt at Airborne school. But anyway. Atleast during basic training, they really don't seem to care if you're a lesbian or not. Most of us were out, even the Drill Sergeants made light hearted jokes about it. Some females got caught "fraternizing" however, they only got in as much trouble as the straight folks. A girl was trying to get out and was said "I'm a lesbian! I have a wife!" The DS was like, that's nice...but you're still staying and while you're at it...why not do some push ups?"

 

Oh god, and at Airborne school...it seemed like all the female were 'family'.

carmbridge's picture

hahah

xethos wrote:

"fraternizing" however, they only got in as much trouble as the straight folks. A girl was trying to get out and was said "I'm a lesbian! I have a wife!" The DS was like, that's nice...but you're still staying and while you're at it...why not do some push ups?"

HAHAHA That's hilarious 

Nintendo's picture

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LOL, Good point about airbourne school XETHOS. I have seen both extremes though. Some places where you just wouldn't want anyone to know and others where everyone seemed to know and really didn't care. I will say that no matter where I have been there has always been "family." I think the biggest problem I have seen is service members not being aware of their rights and not knowing how to fight it. I have seen people go to such extremes as to get married to stop an investigation and prove that they are hetero. To me that is the saddest part of it all, that so many sm's don't know how to protect themselves from those that do have a problem with it.


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