I have to disagree a little. I wasn't a fan of Sex in the City for the same reasons that I probably won't be a fan of Cashmere Mafia. It's mainly because I'm tired of watching rich, white people complain about being rich, white people. The high powered world of whatever in the hell it is that they do doesn't excite me. I've seen this show before about lawyers, doctors, ad execs, etc. Also, fashion bores me (with the exception of Project Runway).

Lucy Liu is great but is she the only Asian actress in America? The men on this show are stupid and I'm not sure that I'd go so far as to say it's a show about girl power. Zoe? finds out her husband is a cheating bastard and what does she do? She goes to dinner with him. Also, the first scenes of Caitlan with her boyfriend irritated me. She gets dumped at breakfast and by dinner she's gay? They should have left him out altogether and just showed her meeting Alicia and being attracted to her. Now it seems like she's so desperate to shack up that she'll do it with anyone.

I know it's TV but I was hoping that it would be better. I will give it one more chance, but I can't see sticking around for long. For me, it's about as exciting as watching Elizabeth Hasselback's return to the View. On one positive note, the physical comedy is pretty funny.

I think i liked Cashmere mafia, but i'm trying not to get too invested since the networks cancel anything.

Random thought 1. I didn't particularly like Luci Lu's character . You could see the boyfriend dumping her coming for miles and yes she WON. Losing a guy who can't handle you being successful is no big loss.

Random thought 2. I'm really loving Juliet Draper. The unflappable red head. I think that's why Bree Hodge is my favorite Desperate Housewife. ( yes i like desperate housewives). Who didn't love when she confronted the husband. It's believable to me that she wouldn't leave her husband for cheating on her because it happens all the time.

Random thought 3. I like how they handled the Caitlain-Alicia storyline. At no time did i cringe . Cringing is not a good sign. Bonnie Sommerville is funny.

I'm looking forward to wednesday. I watch tv to be entertained and whether or not it's believable it's fun.

I thought it was ridiculously entertaining despite it's very minor flaws.  I loved the interaction between all four women and the characters were wonderful as individuals as well.  Thank god for DVR.  I re-watched the "first kiss" scene with Caitlin and Alicia so many times just to get their reactions.  Caitlin/Bonnie Summerville's reaction was priceless, I laughed my ass off every time I watched it.  It was adorable.  Not enough screen time with these two in my opinion. 

"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."

Cashmere Mafia will get added to the short list of shows I watch.

 I'll admit it was the bi/lesbian storyline that got me curious enough to watch, but I genuinely enjoyed the pilot. Dare I say more than I enjoyed the season premiere of the L Word I watched right before.

I wasnt really sure about this show because I wasnt really a huge fan of Sex and the City, possibly because I wanted to see Carrie hook up with one of her friends. Parts of this show were disappointing, if these women are supposed to be so powerful and strong why would the wife support her cheating husband? And at first I thought the first kiss with Caitlin and Alicia wasnt that great, but the more I think about it, it was really cute.

The pilot had soooo much happening that I feel like EVERYTHING got rushed thru. I am hoping the pace slows a bit so the characters can actually develope at a normal rate.

However I love Lucy Lui and I love how she comes off as almost sweet and innocent in this role, most of her previous roles she plays a very tough, serious (but witty) woman and in this role she is more light and sweet (the way I like my coffee). Its refreshing to see her this way. I might even go as far as to say she is adorable.

I just hope that the show doesnt fall into the trap of making these "strong powerful woman" weak and overly emotional in their personal lives, as way too many shows in the past have done.

I enjoyed the show as much as I would enjoy anything else that I had a slight interest in. Of course the fashion was fierce and those pumps Lucy Lui rocked with the black dress....awesome.

So its something to watch until the writer's strike is resolved (fingers crossed). I may continue to watch, not entirely sure though.

I wasn't sure if I completely believe the moment Caitlin met Alicia. She saw her enter the room initially, but then after bumping heads (as if it knocked something into place) a second glance gives away to something more. Annnnnnnnnnnd cue the cheesy music.... now.

Ok, so I loved Sex and the City, but I thought the pilot of CM just blew. The script writing was generic and the characters seemed shallow and underdeveloped. It seemed like in the process of trying to portray strong career-driven women, the writers created female characters who were more or less identical robots, except maybe Summerville's character. I thought the lesbianish storyline was the only redeeming factor, despite the whole "I'm going gay because I'm sick of men" cliché. Sommerville did a good job of making her character human and considerably more dynamic and complicated than the other women. Still...the script was so dull even she didn't have much to work with.

Given my complaints, I'll probably still watch it, hoping for it to get better, if only to show support for a network show with an openly lesbian/bi character.

I hated the writing, but it may get better. It is just the pilot. I'll continue to watch. I have hope for the show.

Caitlin/Alicia was pretty good. Alicia is my new crush.

Ooh, I'm afraid that I kind of hated this show. I mean, like squirming around, trying to get away from the pain kind of hated. And I think the poster has it wrong on a couple of points.

First, I don't see how this show could be screaming girl power. In my opinion, it is screaming girl insecurity. Hating on men and treating them like crap is not girl power. Treating other women like crap in order to steal their men or business opportunities is not girl power. Deciding you can't have it all and should just choose career or family is not girl power.

Second, Caitlin's storyline borders on offensive. She has a bad history with men, then gets dumped by a guy, then all of a sudden is into girls? She never noticed in her thrity-plus years that she could be more than just straight? All of a sudden, she decides she's gay and is totally casual about it? It just doesn't work that way, and reinforces the stereotype that bisexuals are not for real. Lame.

I do love Lucy Liu, though, even if her character is nothing to write home about.

To be honest, I don't think this is a good show. The plot is so contrived, I'm not seeing much chemistry between the girls and the sudden "We have a moment. I think I'm gay!", the priest brother included, plot development is really hard to believe. And what strikes me even more is that the Cashmere women are exactly the kind of ladies I've never wanted to be like or be friends with. Truly not! This entire show is kind of vapid and feels like a 40-minute commercial for - something. It does for incredibly beautiful, successful white power women what 'Femme Fatale' did for diamond thieves: raise visibility. Well, isn't that great!

Is this really a lesbian storyline we should take seriously? If coming out to yourself and others consisted solely of kneeling down in a church and having a drinks meeting, I wish someone would have handed me the agenda (the gay one) in my high school days. I don't want them to do a big coming out story arc because that has been so overdone, and not always well, and I like the idea of lesbians having storylines that are not about coming out or motherhood. But this is just way too easy - poor writing without substance. And "bad experience with men" leading to lesbian experiences, as was insinuated by Caitlin - just perfect! That's really not a stereotype which needs reinforcement and I'm just so happy that my family is treated to clichés like this and the lesbian psycho killer - this will make them understand better why I'm gay: out of disappointment.

However, I will still watch (secretly mourning the days when Buffy was still around and lesbian characters could be part of an intelligent show) because it does no harm and there really really aren't any other lesbian characters around on network TV. I seem to be incredibly hungry for any kind of representation because I'm watching a show about succesful business majors dealing with luxury problems, solely because one of them is portrayed as queer. What has become of me?

everybody's comments, good and not so good. The only thing I would have changed was  the relationship between Caitlyn and Alicia. As was mentioned, a little sexual tension would have been great and would have  allowed us to really get to know them. Caitlin seemed just too matter of fact about the attraction. She didn't seem to have any trepidation.  Women who make a discovery like this about themselves usually will try to ignore it or wrestle with it. Not Catlin. The way she came barreling into the restaurant and said "You'll never guess who I kissed today?"  And then quickly put the situation aside when she heard about "Mr Hargitay's "cheating.

But I do love Caitlin the best. Lucy Liu, I've never been a big fan of hers. Have never seen her in a warm and fuzzy role but here she does seem to have a heart. I think she really did love the fiance.

Looking forward to Wed. I'd rather ths show do well than the reality shows the networks are counting on.   

Anyway, I was thoroughly entertained. Really, what did we all expect from this show? Social change?

I'm here for the ride. However many episodes we get, however silly or contrived, I like it.

I liked the pilot a lot.  There are great storylines going on and all of the women are terrific.  They are beautiful, intelligent and are barrcudas (in a good way). I'm going to enjoy this show.

I loved the kiss and I liked Caitlin's reaction to it.  It was a great mixture of wonder and delight.  It's good,too, that she's the lighthearted one. Most people outside, the community seem to think lesbians are not funny at all. I think ABC is trying to become the Bravo of broadcast TV, so I don't think there's going to be too many problems with this character. 

Another amazing scene is where Juliet (Miranda Otto), upon hearing that her husband cheated on her, telling him how she's going to exact revenge all the while keeping this beautiful bone-chilling smile on her face,as she's being inroduced at a woman of the dinner as she's being introduced as the recipient of the award.   

I'm looking forward to seeing how these storylines play out. I sincerely hope the writers strike doesn't prevent that from happening.   

Peace, Joy and Love

I've been waiting to watch this show for months, so to make sure I didn't miss anything I taped it. I have yet to get a DVR but once I do I know it will become my new best friend.

I have to say I really liked the show. Yes, the pace was alittle fast and the writing didn't have me jumping over the moon with happiness but it was good. And funny. And certainly very creative. I loved the way Zoe got her kids to settle down. "Whoever draws the best picture of mommy's head exploding gets an ice cream". Smart fucking woman.

All of their comedic timing was spot on. Especially Bonnie. She was so sweet and snarky that even trying to picture Miranda Otto in that role doesn't even seem right. I'm sure she could pull it off but it wouldn't be right. It would be like watching someone try to put on shoes 3 sizes to small. Just doesn't work. Same would go for her role. Miranda makes serious sexy. Very sexy. Damn, if she'd left me that message I would've seriously *insert inapproprate naughty comment* everywhere. Smart women make me happy.

Of course the characters are going to be a little underdevoloped, it's a pilot. It's just suppose to give you the gist of who the characters are, what they do, and where they're going. It's suppose to leave you wanting more. If it didn't do that for you, then don't watch. Thankfully this pilot left me wanting more. Alot more.

The Caitlin/Alicia storyline could be considered smooth, if of course you ignore some of the bumps. From what I gathered from the show was that Caitlin had a bad history with relationships with men. Example: the break-up that morning. But then she meets a gorgeous woman and her heart gets all a twitterpated. And like alot of people do she tried to label what she was feeling instead of letting it flow. Once she let go that everything happen as it should. I mean come on people, they were kissing outside of a bar in public. And we got not one but two kisses. That alone shows how far we've come. They're showing that they are not going to hide it behind closed doors.

Everyone has said that they're not going to have a big coming out affair. That they were going to make it as normal or as natural as any of the hetero storylines. Whether they'll keep their word has yet to be known.

Side note - Has anyone combined their names yet? And if so what is it? I don't really wanna come up with something if there's already something out there.

Not pointing fingers or anything but alot of you have gotta stop over thinking and over processing this show. For one, it's not on cable. And two it's NOT ON CABLE. It's a primetime show which means everyone has access to it. Which means more people you have to please. For a first episode it was good. It was light, it was smart and it was funny. And guess what? It's a good show about strong women. Stop expecting so much. Once you do that this show will become much more enjoyable.

Don't hate, appreciate.

Love your last paragraph. I felt good watching this show. It was fun. The only other shows that make me feel that way are Gilmore Girls, Psych, Housewives, Life and 30 Rock.

We cannot continue to judge network tv by cable standards. 

as of right now (episode 2) this show really sucks. The writing is mediocre at best and the characters are kinda bland. A lot of the things the characters say seems like its just a way for the creator/writer to get his (b/c it must be a man behind those lame lines) views across (i.e. that whole thing about what men have to go through by being with successful women).

Seriously? Is it just me or were the women of SATC way more empowered and in conrtol than those in CM?

well, I like it, its good  tv.. i like the reaction to the  kiss, thought it was cute..i am not  one to make comments I just  come  here to read and see what  everyone else thinks..lol, but i got to admit i did like it  I will be watching again... i never really  watched  SATC.. but i know  someone who  did who will no  doubt  sit  with me and  compare notes.. the  way I look at the  tv programmes, they are  things to  help me  unwind after a hard  day... and  tv  like  Cashmere Mafia  does that... it  made me   smile.. made  me  giggle.. and made me  realise a few things...  good tv  if you ask me...

"Never regret the things you do in life...only the things you have'nt "

" Eternity is a long time to live with regret "

I really like how Bonnie is playing Caitlin, she has the adorable, awkward thing down to a t. The Caitlin/Alicia meeting was a little cheesy. Also they did make it seem a bit quick, one min she's straight then she bumps heads with a lesbian and what? catches gay? Then with the cheesy music just to make sure we were getting that Caitlin is attracted to Alicia, we could see that from the look, it was all there in the acting, which is what redeemed the scene.

I agree with what has been said, they were obviously pushed for time and I think they did the best they could with the time they had. Using the brother and Juliet's comment to hint that Caitlin's sexuality was questionable. Maybe in some later episodes we could get a reference that Caitlin has at least thought about women before. But it is tv its not gonna be realistic. (like Caitlin waking up off the sofa with perfect make-up and hair)

So yeah its not perfect but I'd say its pretty good. The 2nd episode was an improvement and the Caitlin/Alicia dancing scene was justification enough to watch that episode. Also some really funny moments. 3rd episode could have done with more Caitlin/Alicia. Loved the Portia de Rossi comment and the ninja comment. Bonnie seems to get a lot of funny scenes.

Although the gay storyline has got me hooked on the show, I really started watching because of Lucy Liu. As usual she is fantastic and I like the warmer feel of this character compared to her other roles. But Juliet is quickly becoming one of my fave characters and damn Davis is tall, what is he? 6ft 5?

So all in all. Love the show. Its funny, stylish and none of the characters piss me off. I don't know why I like shows about rich american women with problems when I'm a poor Welsh gal with not a lot in common with them. I think these shows are my guilty pleasures, the oc even more so.

"My life's like a romantic comedy that's never romantic! Or comedic! My life is nothing like a romantic comedy!" - Caitlin (Cashmere Mafia)

This is a review I wrote for another source concerning Ep 3

Episode 3 01.16.08

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Kind Readers well I can officially state that I don't know how long this site will keep Cashmere Mafia as the centerpiece. As far as the Cailtin/Alicia storyline I can unequivocally say that tonight's episode was ABYSMAL! Terrible, Lacking, not worth the effort put into the 2 scenes dedicated to Alicia and Caitlin. Even if the earlier episodes had only 2 scenes between these two they were longer and more substantive.

An actual Teleplay in Episodic television is approximately 42 minutes long. This means that there are 18 minutes or so left for commercials.

I freaking spent 39 to 40 minutes waiting to catch a glimpse of Caitlin and Alicia.

Caitlin and Alicia's 1st scene consists of an intercut telephone conversation between the two.

Then when I finally did see them together where are they? NOT in an intimate environment, like each other's apartment or having dinner and a REAL conversation. No they are where they have been since the damn beginning of the series: In the Street Kissing! Lesbians do more than kiss in the street and that envelop that the writers successfully pushed in the first two episodes has fallen onto the floor and was eaten by the dog.

In this episode Caitlin is upset because of an outing in Blog. Well um excuse me but when the only time there are ANY displays of affection they occur in public on the street or in a dance club of course one can expect to be outted.

There is some humorous dialog such as when the blog states that a cosmetics executive has been spotted "canoodling" with a "Hot Chocolate" advertising rep and Caitlin asks: "If she's hot chocolate what does that make me?" and Mia casually responds: "The marshmallow". OK I shouldn't have to explain the racial double entendre so if you don't get the joke sorry.

Still is the Honeymoon Over Already? Caitlin develops a zit because of the stresses of this newfound identity? She tells Alicia that she needs to be in control of her life and Alicia asks Caitlin if she wants to maybe take a break or something. I was not paying close attention because I kept looking at my wristwatch. I could not believe the episode was almost over and this was IT! What was it? Approximately 1 1/2 minutes?

As usual at the end of the episode we see all the main characters coming full circle to conclude how the episode began. For Example:

Juliet first decides that she doesn't want to have an affair, then after spending some time with Davis she discovers something and decides she DOES want to have an affair, only to go to the potential affair's hotel room to seduce him with clothes being ripped off only to decide she doesn't want to have an affair.

Mia is dealing with an angry ex-fiance who wants to publish a magazine cover that cuts down successful working women. She ends the episode by publishing an open letter telling men that they need not fear successful women and using the cover the ex has approved and calling her mother who she has been avoiding to tell her the wedding is off.

Zoe decides after seeing a subordinate use her sexuality to move up the corporate ladder to present herself to her husband NOT as the head of whatever company she runs, but as a "mantrap". That's it.

How do Alicia and Caitlin end the freaking episode? They DON'T! There is NOTHING! We should be happy to have gotten the glimpse we got! See those four photos to the right? That's It!

The obligatory kiss in the street seemed more passionate than usual. That helped a little.

Now Caitlin meets an interested "man." Good Lord.

Could this be a death knell for Caitlin and Alicia? I hope not because in the next episode she should tell the guy that she is involved with someone and Alicia should walk in and they need to walk off together leaving the guy standing there dumbfounded. That's the way it should work. Will it? Who knows? I do and that is the unortunate part.

Now will someone tell mw what happened to the thread with the "Rants" about Caitlin/Alicia?

Did anyone notices that in episode 3 Leisha Haleys band Uh Huh Her's song Say So is on while Juliet and Bobby are about to hook up? I wasnt sure at first so I played it again. I was so excited, I dont know why I was, but I really was, lol.

Maybe we have all just watched to much L word and are now disappointed with a lesbian storyline that doesn't have at least 5 lesbian sex scenes every episodes (ok i'm exaggerating). This show isn't really about sex. Caitlin and Alicia have only just met and I'm sure they are taking things slow because Caitlin is figuring out her new found feelings. On the other hand, episode 3 seemed to have no developement in their storyline which sucks. I still enjoyed the episode because there were other things going on and I am enjoying the other characters. It isn't like this show is just about Caitlin and Alicia. I think the storyline has been quite well done but with only 7 episodes made so far I don't think the Caitlin storyline will have progressed as much as we would like. As long as they don't do something hideous like turn Caitlin straight and say it was just a phase. But I can't see that happening.

As for Will and Grace that show was a comedy that made fun of gay stereotypes while Cashmere Mafia portrays lesbianism as normal and acceptable just as it should be.

I found it amusing reading someones review of Cashmere Mafia that they thought the lesbian kiss scenes were, and I quote "ick" haha. I can't believe there are still people like that in this day and age.

"My life's like a romantic comedy that's never romantic! Or comedic! My life is nothing like a romantic comedy!" - Caitlin (Cashmere Mafia)

I want to address two comments.

1. NO I haven’t been denigrating CM ever since the first episode. In fact I was one of CMs staunchest defenders telling others to at least give the show a couple of airings before they put it down.

2. I am not in my 20’s and I am not a teenager. I know how to write a teleplay and a screenplay. I know what elements are needed to sustain character development. Those who make excuses for the poor character development of Alicia Lawson are similar to those to constantly made excuses for the poor story development on that popular lesbian show on cable now in it’s 5^th season.

3. When I compare the superb character development on Will and Grace and ER and contrast it with Mafia I am well aware that these shows appeared on network television and that Will and Grace was a comedy and ER a drama. Cashmere Mafia is a “Dramedy” meaning that it has elements of Comedic and Dramatic value.

4. I also do not expect to see the type of sexuality that even that other show repeatedly fails to provide (FX did a better job on Dirt).

5. The writers on CM are not depicting lesbian relationships as normal unless you limit your conversations to only 2 ½ minutes and only to the outdoors.

6. I made a similar post earlier. Was it deleted because I wrote that the other show wasn’t good? I already stated that I feel AfterEllen takes a conciliatory stance concerning certain shows and if my comment was removed then it proves my point.

So let’s see if this comment is also removed.

I am online because it 's freezing oiutside and I am staying in for the weekend.

Just saw the latest episode of cashmere mafia  and usually it takes alot for me to complain about a show but this is really starting to piss me off. There are 4 leading ladies on this show yet every week Caitlin seems to be miraculously absent. I think even Business Barbie gets more screen time than Caitlin. Can she not have a storyline to do with her job like the other ladies do? Seriously. And from her comments it seems she and Alicia have been conducting most of their relationship offscreen. That's so unfair. All the other characters have every second of their love lives shown.

And what is with Mia's outfits. I mean her mother dresses more like a business woman than she does. And what was with Caitlin's peacock shirt in her last scene?

Okay i'm done venting.