Benazir Bhutto June 21, 1953 - December 27, 2007 was a Pakistani politician who chaired the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), a centre-left political party in Pakistan affiliated to the Socialist International. Bhutto was the first woman elected to lead a Muslim state, having been twice elected Prime Minister of Pakistan.
She was shot yesterday by a Muslim extremist. She was a advocate for peace and justice, and it was in her plan to crack down on all the Muslim extremists.
What do you all think of this atrocity?
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this world is going to
this world is going to hell....
We're not there
We're not there yet?
"She wanted to sway to the beat of a concerto with that heart so close she could mistake its rhythm for the sounds of their heels tapping the dance floor."
Seriously though, I was
Seriously though, I was aghast when I heard about her assassination. I hadn't given her much thought since the last assassination attempt, but to think that they actually managed to do it when the elections were so close wrecked me.
What's been wrecking me more is the idea that so few American politicians seem to be giving genuine expressions of grief. They can't shed even an empathetic tear without talking about how this shows the world how much work remains to be done to bring democracy to the region. Someone died! Someone died doing important things and they can't even set down the politics long enough to pay their respects.
The world is going to hell? At least it'll be familiar.
"She wanted to sway to the beat of a concerto with that heart so close she could mistake its rhythm for the sounds of their heels tapping the dance floor."
well i bet the americans..
well i bet the americans.. well the politicans.. think of their own skin.. just sucks when someone who strives for democracy dies for it.. kills a bit of hope..
not that i knew much about her.. well the little i knew...
you've got a point
I think it's really sad.
I think it's really sad. She seemed to be a genuine and selfless person. Coming back to a country where there was always a possibility that she could get assassinated, just for promoting democracy. Yet still that didn't scare her.
She was also a feminist and hopefully her good work promoting women's rights will be continued.
:(
Benazir Bhutto R.I.P.
Very sad to here of her untimely departure. A martyr! She is a great loss to us all.
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I have been watching CNN all day long. What I find most interesting is that even in the middle of all this terror, as one brilliant mind and voice has again been silenced, we still manage to somehow make it about our elections, and what we would do, or rather the questions they've been asking "If you were the president of the U.S, what would you do?". And, maybe it's just me, but none of them show any kind of remorse, rather they take it as another media outlet to expand their party name. The Republicans advocating for themselves, and the Democrats doing the same. They were preaching about how to bring democracy to Pakistan, don't they see that Pakistan clearly will not have that, specially with the events that just took place.
What I find truly irritating and sickening, is how any extremist (In this case, Muslim) will use the Quran or any other religious text, to justify violence. It's their own relative interpetation of the Quran and what they think it means. Islam is peace, it was founded on peace, yet they kill in the name of "Allah". Although I am again, stating the obvious, but this is going to create such political tension in Pakistan, not that it does not already exist, but this is just going to make things go more awry then they already were.
A part of me wants to be surprised, but when I was reading a article about Benazir Bhutto about 1 month ago, I kept thinking to myself "How is this brave woman surviving?". But it also seems, that anyone who has a message of peace, gets their life taken away from them. It's such an atrocity, because a key point in the assassination was her sex. It was due to the fact, that she was such a intelligent and driven woman, who had goals and would see them through. And in that part of the world, women are not given rights, and they don't want to see any woman in power.
Death is so much more comforting then life.
Rest In Peace
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Islam is not peace! Islam
Islam is not peace! Islam is submission!
Any religion which holds such concepts ,amongst others, as "jihad" and "fatwah" is by definition NOT a religion of peace! Nor is it founded on peace if it has statements as to which enemy can be killed and raped and which not! Or different rules for how to treat your fellow muslim and how to treat the "infidels". All of this is NOT a message of peace!
Which is not to say many of it's followers are not people of peace!
Technically
Islam is Arabic for submission to God, however, the root of the word is, actually, Arabic for peace (i.e., Salām).
I think that's what Asta was referring to...
To be clear, you are not using the definitions of jihad and fatwā, which are commonly accepted by scholars. Jihad is Arabic for to strive or to struggle and is generally used in the Qur'an to reference the relationship between God and a believer. A fatwā is simply a ruling on Islamic law.
But, in the way that religious extremists do, a small minority have redefined the precepts of the faith and through terror and misinformation, have convinced a larger population to accept their definitions as truth.
Actually I was technically
Actually I was technically not using any definition of these words! I was refering to concepts held by islam on a whole! And when I said Islam is submission I meant that this is the essence of the religion!
And if you base a religion on certain concepts naming it after peace isn't going to make it true! It's basically just false advertisement! My point still stands...People keep claiming "islam is a religion of peace and don't judge it on it's extremists" and fact just is...it is not! Even if you take the extremists out of the equasion.
(ps I am any moment now outta here but I would like to say I have always enjoyed your comments and I have enjoyed crossing swords with you on occasion! Cheers! Gali.)
Thanks, but... ;)
I'm not sure how you can use two words in a sentence (jihad and fatwah) and claim to be not using any definition of those words. Otherwise, what's the point of using the words?
The implication from what you said originally, though you may not have intended it, was that jihad and fatwah were concepts contrary to peace, which (as I pointed out) Arabic scholars don't believe they are.
You make it sound like someone sitting in a backroom somewhere just came up with the religion yesterday--Islam is one of the world's oldest faiths. More to the point, though, I don't think that you can blame the faith itself for those who blaspheme it. These acts, and others like them, are no more representative of Islam than the Crusades were of Chrisitianity.
I am making a distinction
I am making a distinction between the beliefsystem and how followers choose to interpret it!
But since you brought it up ..yes as far as for how many muslims are interpreting their beliefsystem( not taking into account extremists) I most certainly see no difference with the christian crusades other than that they took place about a 1000 years ago!
Another fine example of this would be christians who claim to hold dear the old testament and then claim that their god is a loving god!
However both these examples go to the interpretation by the majority of the respective followers. My point is to the basic "message" if you will and I still maintain that any basic message that contains the other things I mentioned ( which you are conveniently not adressing) cannot possibly be described as a beliefsystem of peace/based on peace. Perhaps a part of the problem is that some people mistake total submission to god as peace! but that is another issueand one that again goes to the followers and not to the basic message!
Also..considering
Also..considering christianity is 2000 years old, Taoism is over 2000 years old, bhuddism is about 2500 years old, judaism is about 4000 years old and hinduism between 2600 and 4600 years old!
How does that make islam-1300 years old- one of the oldest religions in the world?
I for one can't name any major religions younger than that other than possibly scientology ;)
IMO that makes your statement another one of those general statements that sound correct and impressive but actually mean very little!
Feel Free.
Sure, okay.
I'm not going to get into a semantics debate, but my word choice (which you misquoted) was intentional and my statement is still accurate.
But if believing I was wrong helps you get through your day, then feel free.
Just wanted to say I've been
RIP Benazir Bhutto
First, of course, I must say that I'm heartbroken over the loss of Benazir Bhutto...genuinely heartbroken. I've long considered her one of my heroes. They say everyone "is either trying to make up for his father's mistakes or live up to his expectations" and Bhutto seemed intent on doing both.
She was, and her memory remains, a reminder of what is possible if one person commits themselves to writing the wrongs of the world. I hope the courage and vigor she showed in life is a model for leaders around the world...only then can this tragedy be lessened.
That said...
I wasn't watching CNN today, but I saw the President's statement and read the statements from each of the presidential candidates and I saw a genuine show of concern from each of them. There weren't any true heartfelt moments, like when Bill Clinton found out about the death of Yitzhak Rabin, but I think there was genuine concern for Bhutto's family and faithful followers.
Admittedly, there was some politics thrown in--we're 5 days away from the Iowa caucus and, for those who haven't made up their minds, knowing how each candidate might respond in a crisis (such as this), is important.
Bhutto's assassination is not evidence of a pervasive anti-democracy sentiment in Pakistan. If she had lived another week, it's likely that Bhutto would've won a free and fair election become the country's new Prime Minister--which is evidence, I think, that the majority of Pakistanis want a democratic regime. Her death is the result of a loud, violent minority in the region that wishes to subvert the will of the people.
To be fair, we actually don't know that this particular piece is relevant. Until there's an investigation, there's no way to know if religious extremism played a role in her death.
In my view, there are three possibilities: 1. the assassins were Islamofascists (i.e., vestages of Al Qaeda or other extremist groups); 2. the assassins were members of Bhutto's own pro-democracy party, disgruntled with her recent power sharing overtures with President Musharraf; or 3. the assassins were members of Musharraf's anti-democracy, seeking to preserve military rule. Any of those possibilities is plausible and it'd be wrong to jump to conclusions about the offending party.
Eh, I think gender may have been an auxilary point, but certainly not a key point. She'd served two terms as Prime Minister already.
You're right
In my view, there are three possibilities: 1. the assassins were Islamofascists (i.e., vestages of Al Qaeda or other extremist groups); 2. the assassins were members of Bhutto's own pro-democracy party, disgruntled with her recent power sharing overtures with President Musharraf; or 3. the assassins were members of Musharraf's anti-democracy, seeking to preserve military rule. Any of those possibilities is plausible and it'd be wrong to jump to conclusions about the offending party.
You're right, I agree with your ideas as well.
It's Sad
that she was assasinated..after everything that had already happend to her she still went on...
she was a brave/smart woman..all i can say is how sad it is she was killed
I've been saddened all day by this...
...watching CNN when I could, though I never watch television. The film of her, so strong, so brave, is enough to bring tears. I feel so bad for her family, who are of course just crushed, for Pakistan, and for this whole sorry world. Politics is hard place for a good person, but she seemed to be one of the rare ones. The horror of this was so predictible, in a way, but stunning just the same.
Plus...and I keep thinking this, though I know how technically irrelevant and inappropriate it is, so I'm going to say it...she was so pretty....
A damn shame all round. God help us all.
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...watching CNN when I could, though I never watch television. The film of her, so strong, so brave, is enough to bring tears. I feel so bad for her family, who are of course just crushed, for Pakistan, and for this whole sorry world. Politics is hard place for a good person, but she seemed to be one of the rare ones. The horror of this was so predictible, in a way, but stunning just the same.
Plus...and I keep thinking this, though I know how technically irrelevant and inappropriate it is, so I'm going to say it...she was so pretty....
ALTHOUGH I AGREE, IT IS IRRELEVANT SHE WAS VERY VERY STUNNING. She had that rare quality of inner radiance and outer beauty. She was a inspiration, it is such a sad day and it is such a bloody shame that it had to come to this. But, this day and event should be remembered, and even though I'm hoping that the Media will surprise me and give this more importance then just a story of the week or until they find another one that will get more air-time,but my brain is telling me that people are not as interested in this, as they would be in Anna Nicole Smith dying.And that in itself is more pathetic.
This article is very interesting: http://www.nysun.com/article/68668
What is the goal of the Pakistani government? There has to be more than what we see. There have been so many allegations thrown their direction, and although they have denied them all, I have a very difficult time believing that President Musharraf is neutral in all this.
I'm having such a hard time articulating this, I'm just left speechless, so excuse my lack of intellectual ability
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Is the US at fault?
she was a brave woman...and she stayed away for a very long time because she felt it was unsafe as nearly almost everyone in her family was killed before her.
But the U.S. had negotiated in talks...a way for her to come home...
Since there was so much political unstabilty...Musharraf had agreed to be President...and Bhutto was suppose to be the Prime Minister...whatever the truth is...I guess we won't know...but I hope her death will change the minds of those people...freedom isn't free.
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I was wrong, the only candidate who actually gave his condolences to the Pakistani people was Rudy Giuliani. He also went on to say that we should not talk about this only from a Political point of view, and that it will have implications for both the United States and Pakistan.
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Statements
The point, I think, was
The point, I think, was not that they weren't making condolences, but the seeming lack of sincerity in those condolences. Anyone can pay their respects, but not many can do so without making it about themselves. The mention of politics and platforms sullies the sentiment.
The Last Enemy That Shall Be Defeated is Death--J.K. Rowling
Rest In Peace, Madame Bhutto
Point Taken
But:
1. Rudy Guiliani didn't sully the sentiment? Really? Mr. 9/11? I don't think so.
2. I'm not sure that in a crisis which comes five days before Iowa caucus goers take the first step in deciding the leader of the free world...that politics shouldn't be a consideration. This is, after all, the leadership of one of America's allies in the War on Terror...we have a vested interest in that country's stability.
Joe Biden's the one candidate, I think, who's managed to respect the moment and show leadership on the impact Bhutto's death will have on American foreign policy. He seemed genuine to me (video).
(And for the record, I'm not a Biden supporter. I just appreciate his candor.)
Believe me I'm far from
Believe me I'm far from loving Mr. 9/11 and I understand where you're coming from. Perhaps it's just my natural sentimentality that makes me wish we could take a few hours and not have it be political. That's why as much as the arena fascinates me I'd make a terrible public official.
Your point does make me suspicious though. So many things going on right now, elections and the like. Could there have been more to her death than just this election? I imagine there could've been. It's impact is astounding to me. I think the next time someone asks me what person--living or dead--I'd like to meet, I'll say Benazir Bhutto, if that isn't too trite.
The Last Enemy That Shall Be Defeated is Death--J.K. Rowling
Political stability
I believe that when it comes to international politcis, there will always be some amount of instability. There will always be vast amounts of corruption, whether it is done behind closed doors (Ex. United States) or out in the open (Ex. India).
Immanuel Kant said that we should never use anyone as just a means to attain some kind of an end. But, that will never be true, specially when the thought it applied to governments and politicians. I believe that no matter who it is, if they end up in some kind of political position, they will be somewhat corrupted, even though this may not be in their agenda initially, it will eventually happen. Because power it very difficult to pass on, and most of these politicians get to where they are, through corruption.
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I've been following her
I think the saddest thing
I think the saddest thing is when I heard the stories of her family. My mom's been watching the news on it all day long and told me of how her father was hanged and her brother's assassinated. How her father's execution led her to a life in politics, something she'd never originally intended. He told her directly prior to his death that he regretted that he'd never see his children marry or his grandchildren. Benazir once said that she hoped that God would protect her long enough to see those sights herself (paraphrase). She feared this end and yet walked into it with her hands raised and chin high. We are not even from the same country and she makes me so proud to be a woman.
"She wanted to sway to the beat of a concerto with that heart so close she could mistake its rhythm for the sounds of their heels tapping the dance floor."
Her last words.,,.,
Her last words were "Allah".
The murderer/suicide bomber didn't even have the courage to face the consequences of his actions, rather her blew himself up and killed 22 more people in the process.What a brilliant and visionary world we live in.
Does anyone here think that any of the religious extremists will ever change?
I think that the western world would first convert to their ideological belief system. I'm a skeptic when it comes to this, because I don't believe that they will change their views anytime in the near future. It's so difficult to change tradition, and it will take 10 or 15 more Benazir Bhuttos'.
And I agree that she makes me proud to be a woman, but this murder also sent out a clear message to the women who want to change the situation. Death will bestow one who even tries.
I'm not in the least, trying to take anything away from her tragic death, but have any of you heard of Irshad Manji? She's also a Muslim activist, who is openly gay, and has written a eye-opening book: THE TROUBLE WITH ISLAM.
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I should think I'd like to
I should think I'd like to read that.
The Last Enemy That Shall Be Defeated is Death--J.K. Rowling "
Irshad Manji
You find her website here http://www.irshadmanji.com/ it IS a good read and an eye-opener for some people! (some because critique of the barbarism that is islam is not new!)
But I find her take on Islam to naive. Unless she rips out pages after pages of the Qu'ran and burns the Hadith and I don't find anything in that religion/ideology that a decent human being doesn't have already.
I very much share the same stance on that topic as on Mr. Voltaire who wrote the following in a letter to the prussian king in 1740:
"But that a camel-merchant should stir up insurrection in his village; that in league with some miserable followers he persuades them that he talks with the angel Gabriel; that he boasts of having been carried to heaven, where he received in part this unintelligible book, each page of which makes common sense shudder; that, to pay homage to this book, he delivers his country to iron and flame; that he cuts the throats of fathers and kidnaps daughters; that he gives to the defeated the choice of his religion or death: this is assuredly nothing any man can excuse, at least if he was not born a Turk, or if superstition has not extinguished all natural light in him."
So what nowadays is called "Islamophobie" is actually not new and practically shared by every selfthinking and selfrespecting human being.
And before the "islamic" standard arguing "but what about the Christians or the Jews in palestine!!!" starts... well continue reading voltaire and he will give an answer.. as for me... one topic at a time. :)
And as for Ms. Bhutto, her death is tragic indeed. Yet let us not forget who she was and what she did. She kinda inherited her political power from her father at least it was his political legacy that she thrived on. She came from the ruling class and thus was not a typical woman. Also during her reign as prime minister she supported the Taliban with financial and military aid and she surely did little to nothing to stop the decay of government influence in the tribal areas, also developed no solution in the Kashmir conflict, but gave support to the Pakistani controlled 'freedom fighters'. The situation for women did not improve in fact it got worse. And lets not start on the corruption charges which are well founded. Yet she was probably the lesser evil of what is going to come. But most of all the simple people lost. Again.
No one deserves to die the
No one deserves to die the way Benazir Bhutto did, but as someone who has lived in Pakistan it irks me that the media is not painting an accurate picture of what Benazir and her administration did to Pakistan. She was perhaps one of the most corrupt leaders the country has seen. She appointed her husband as minister of investment, and they accumalated about $1.4 billion. The charges of corruption may have been dropped by the Pakistani government against Bhutto and her husband but the Swiss government had convicted them of money laundering. They also own a $3.4 billion estate in Surrey. And backed the taliban takeover of Kabul in 1995(?) while her years in power saw almost no development in Pakistan.
Okay, having said all that it is still a shock to see a moderate liberal leader be killed like that. Sure she was horrible for the country when she did have a chance to make a difference, but she was a determined woman and i admire her courage. Her life was quite tragic - father being executed, one brother was assasinated and another died young. And despite the threats on her life she was determined that the political process countinue in Pakistan. I have always wondered whether she had good intentions, but the ppl around her controlled her or whether she realy didnt care about the country, robbing it the way she did.
I think that the reason she was so popular and admired by so many non-pakistani's was beacuse she an articulate, charismatic muslim woman in power. And at the moment with so much extremism raging in the northern and northwestern (afghan border)areas of pakistan, the idea of a liberal democratic leader is appealing. Unfortunately we have seen who has the upper hand at the moment.
I hope I dont come across as cold! I grew up in Pakistan and even though i was very young when Benazir was in power, the effect that corrupt leaders have on a nation is felt for years. It is still a great tragedy, i cant imagine her dead. I think it saddened Pakistani's and non Pakistani's alike.
I think yours is a view
I think yours is a view that few from the outside can see. It isn't what reported on the news. So that's certainly something to consider. You don't come across as cold at all, simply the voice of an experience we don't all share.
Corruption is a nasty by-product of the political process. Even the most charismatic of figures can be tainted by it. I don't excuse her by that because I saw her answer a question when asked directly if she was guilty of those charges and she said, let me paraphrase, that is it nearly impossible for someone in that position not to fall victim to these charges. Accountable but not guilty perhaps? I wouldn't know.
Nevertheless, that was a terrible way to die. No child should have to know their mother died this way. She was the last of her family name and it couldn't have ended in a more violent fashion.
To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure." -- Albus Dumbledore, J.K. Rowling
The Last Enemy That Shall Be Defeated is Death--J.K. Rowling "
What do you think about her party running another candidate?
From TPMmuckracker.com, it might be likely that Ahsan may take her place at the head of the party. http://www.tpmmuckracker.com
"Aitzaz Ahsan was the chief counsel for former Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, whose ouster by Musharraf on dubious charges of personal corruption proved to be the final straw for much of middle-class Pakistan."
update: I would also add for consumption this opinion piece from yesterday's "Washington Note" blog by Steve Clemmons (whom I sometimes disagree with, but I always learn something from his foreign relations blog).
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/002617.php
what else would i feel?
Sad commentary on American society
I was so sad when I heard
I was so sad when I heard this yesterday. I felt as if I was punched in the stomach. I can't say I'm surprised though, I wish that I could. I knew she was at great risk and hoped against hope that she would be safe. I only hope that her death will bring positive change for her country.
The latest news seems to be that she didn't die from a bullet or shrapnel, but from hitting her head after the blast. I have a feeling that conspiracy theorists will have more stories and ideas than the JFK assasignation.
Benazir Bhutto
Even if the corruption charges were true ( i am not saying they are or are not) she did not deserve that. I pray for her family and country as they are in turmoil.
Shame on whoever committed such an act.
Hope made dimmer, but still the Light shines on...
Haven't been able to write about it on my own blog yet, but came across this and felt like adding to this ....I remember writing something when she arrived in Pakistan (and the Dali Lama was in the United States) and my feelings about everything were filled with hope. I felt like she could turn so much around and ignite change in the hearts and minds of many. Every day I prayed in my own way for her safety and success. And then I got the call from my girlfriend the she had been slaughtered and i just started sobbing. I had a hard time watching the news that evening but i did and sobbed again. I willed myself to not hate and to not let the bastards defeat the Hope she and others are so bravely giving us. She was a lesson in Hope and Courage and in the belief that if more good people stand up and say no and take action then it can be turned away from the nightmarish actions of a few. But we do need leaders in places of EMpowerment that can stand up and be decisive...we need a change in our US government that listens to the people, we need to all stand stronger in our own self-empowerment to speak against and take peaceful action against those governments and groups that do not respect others...Bhutto stood up and put her life in front of us (the world) and her own people and said no more terror...no more fear...in our own cities and towns, temples and schools, families and neighborhoods let us all stand up for the dignity of ourselves and others and honor her gift...her sacrifice...
Peace in this Season of Peace...
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A terrible loss
May the murders rot in their hell of ignorance, poverty and fear.
They have taken away another woman of value and power.
Sad News
Some facts about Bhutto?
1.Pakistan is in Central Asia, not the Middle East (as is Afghanistan).
2. Whoa folks! You're all blaming the "religious extremist" and the "muslim extremist" for this assasination. Says who? How about "nationalist"? How about "fascist"? How about "miltarist"? How about Pakistan's security agency, the ISI?
3. While the killing of anyone, including a political leader, is abhorrent, how did anyone reach the conclusion Bhutto was a feminist? Both her governments were remarkable only for their failure to make any reforms or achieve anything much at all. She entered into an arranged marriage (after undertaking a western education and being the President of the Oxford Debating Union) because she planned to enter politics and believed a Muslim country would not accept a woman leader who had married for love. Her husband contributed greatly to the failure of each of her governments (first as "Mr 10 Percent" and latterly as "Mr 40 Percent") and yet she did nothing to distance herself from him or from the suspicions of corruption that always surrounded him. Together with her husband, she was suspected of engineering the murder of one of her brothers when he and their mother opposed her second tilt at government. Maybe she did things on her own terms, but does she qualify as a feminist? So, she was the first female political leader of a Muslim nation... When she was in that role, what did she do for the many, many oppressed women of her nation?
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feminist
3. While the killing of anyone, including a political leader, is abhorrent, how did anyone reach the conclusion Bhutto was a feminist?
She obviously didn't think a woman's place was following a man's leadership. She was raised to be a leader and lead she did, the first woman in a muslim country- that's feminist enough to qualify for me. Change such as the helping the many, many oppressed women takes time in a society with such a long history of inequality between the sexes. Look how long it took for women to be given the right to vote in this country.
No feminist!
She obviously didn't think a woman's place was following a man's leadership.
LOL And that makes her feminist? Then Margret Thatcher is a feminist, too? ROFL
Ahh, this is more like it. She "inherited" her power. That was the reason she was able to go into politics. Nothing else. And if you look around you find that quite often famous example would be: Isabel Peron, Süchbaataryn Jandschmaa, Indira Gandhi, Khaleda Zia, Hasina Wajed, Megawati Sukarnoputri. Gloryfing those people IMO dimishes all that men and women who made they way to the top on their own without a famous backup.
the first woman in a muslim country- that's feminist enough to qualify for me.
Then I say you have pretty low standards. Do you really think that just because you think of those people ('savages' even if you didn't exactly said that) you should lower your moral standards?
And you think she fought for that? She was Pakistani upper class, do you really think she fought to give away her previliges? Under her reign the situation of women did in fact NOT improve, it got worse. Also in 1947 Pakistan granted women the right to vote. The same year Pakistan as a nation was founded. Get your facts straight and don't romantisize a person just because she was murdered and a woman.
You have sorely
You have sorely misinterpretted my opinions.
Maybe you're too young to remember a time before there were female leaders in the world. And in that sense, yes, I do qualify Margaret Thatcher as one. I remember when Sandra Day O'Conner was nominated to the supreme court and there were whispers that maybe, some day there could be a woman president.
I can't understand why you are so down on her. She didn't inherit her power, she worked hard at Radcliuffe and Cambridge (or Oxford, I can't remember) to become who she was. The USA only game women the right to vote in the 20s-- americans can't exactly call our country pioneers in gender equality.
Feel free to consider me having low standards if that makes you feel better or superior. My standards are at least open to allowing others to have different views without insulting them.
Her murder
Has anyone been following the news today. Does anyone here follow Amy Goodman, she does a show called Democracy Now. I'm waiting to hear her take on this.
I agree that she also was corrupt to a point, but overall I think that she displayed a powerful voice, and I think that she would of taken the initiative to follow through.
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Her murder
Has anyone been following the news today. Does anyone here follow Amy Goodman, she does a show called Democracy Now. I'm waiting to hear her take on this.
I agree that she also was corrupt to a point, but overall I think that she displayed a powerful voice, and I think that she would of taken the initiative to follow through.
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