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Homophobia in the Black Church

I just joined a predominantly black church here in my small college town. I've been attending for a few months now, and I like it. I don't consider myself a Christian, nor am I "out". However, I woiuld like to learn how this church approaches diversity within the realms of sexual orientation. There are tons of single's conferences and classes on relationships. I'd love to attend and learn more, but most of my concerns will be coming from a queer standpoint, and dealing with how to handle some of the issues that challenge same-sex relationships. It may seem like Church isn't the place to be seeking advice in this area, considering that alot of christian leaders support the banning of same-sex marriage. Honestly, I don't plan to get married anytime soon, so I'm not focused on that issue. I am however, interested in sharing my perspective with others, having mature conversations with people who may not understand what it means to not be straight, and just trying to find some common ground. Sometimes I can be a little too idealistic, though. I'd like to know, what experiences women of color have had with other christians in their communities? I want to hear the good, bad, and ugly. Please and thanks!

PrideandJoy's picture

Oh the things I can say...

when i read this post i thought "OMG this girl has the wool pulled over her eyes!" And i can understand you wanting to bring diversity and approach things maturely and openly, but frankly, taken from my expereice, that don't happen. in the black community it is like living in the nineteenth century with all its naivity, prejudice, and traditionalism. Homosexuality is definitely taboo in the church i was raised in and i left it some months ago. Now over the holiday break my mother is going to make me go and i just know it will be a hell for me to sit there and look like i'm listening and agreeing to what is being said. More than likely, this church that you go to, unless it is a unitarian universalist church, or an episcopal church that is gay-friendly, more often than not, you will be met with hostility. my experience with the church is what has turned me off of institutions in general. i think everyone should construct their own way of worshipping what we call "God".
QrOptmst's picture

Hmm...

Thanks for the add and response. I appreciate you being real with me. I'm a bit of an optimist when it comes to people's response to my sexuality. I'd like to believe that people respect and trust me enough to be receptive and not harrass harm, or disown me. As far as church goes, it's a baptist church. I'm only a little hestitant about my friend whom is slightly homophobic. She was the one who invited me to the church in the first place. I'm trying not to get nervous about it, because quite frankly, her stamp of approval (or lack therof) won't change anything about my sexuality. I do however, want us to maintain the same level of comfort and companionship as we did before she found out (which I'm sure she suspected long ago) that I am queer. 

As for my parents, neither of them are religious, and as a matter of fact, my older brother (who is now deceased) was openly gay. The only thing my mom has ever said about him was that she thought he "hung out in the wrong places." My oldest brother, who grew up with my gay brother, spoke highly of him, and didn't seem too disturbed by his SO. On the whole, I don't think my family pays enough attention to really care, as long as I'm still breathing, I can practice beastiality and they probably would be fine with it. I can see them probably avoiding the subject, but not treating me any different.

Anyhow, I guess I just want people to be openminded like I am toward religion. I don't expect them to support the local LGBTQ organizations or anything even though I tithe (I'm still waiting for my blessing! haha) I've heard many a horror story about taboos in the black community, but I try not to let that stifle my beliefs that there are people out there who are willing to be understanding and open to discuss difficult things like these. There goes my ideals again lol

PS: I think the wool is a bit see-through....;) Whish me luck!


"I can't sleep. There is a woman stuck between my eyelids. I would tell her to get out if i could. But there is a woman stuck in my throat..."
-E. Galeano
lunakiss's picture

Homophobia in the black church leads to opression and repression

There is a huge silent killer in the black church and it is homomphobia. I recently ended a thing with my fitness trainer b/c of her down low status. She's a devouted chrisitan beleiver who was opening herself up to me b/c she's still uncomfortable with identifying as lesbian or bisexual or whatever. She laughed about me being so open to her and identifying as a lesbian. I'm like what's so funy? She couldn't even say the word yet she is a huge flirt. To some black people sexual orientation is a private affair not a public one. What I intend to find among blacks in churches they like to put on charades say one thing but do another. Homophobia is the blame for oppression and repression. My ex-girlfirend is having a hard time on her gradauate United Methodist Church college campus b/c she's an openly lesbian.This is an all black campus. She's a huge tomboy too(not in size) who does not dress in girly clothes. She's obviously fit the stereotype of a black lesbian. They tried to get her to change her, but she wouldn't now she's actually being discriminate against based on her sexual orientation. Her scholarship has been cut.Now she's hustlin' to find a place to live for her and her son, get a job,etc. It's horrible. Right now, I'm her moral and emotional support. I'm telling her to keep her head up. If it was me. I would sue the college. I don't want my ex to be oprressed and repressed by anything. She's needs to keep going to win over them. Just my 6 cents
RedBeet's picture

MCC

I just started going to an MCC church. I'm not super familiar with other churches, but mine closely follows black church traditions. It's very diverse in membership AND super gay. It's a great combo - we can get over the gay thing as a central issue and focus on ALL the things we go to church for. Gay is an essential part of the foundation, but it isn't the whole foundation. I had a lot of trouble in catholic churches that didn't honor my sexuality. It's a whole lot easier to pray know God AND the congregation are in my corner for real.

Hope I make at least some sense...check out their site:

http://www.mccchurch.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home

QrOptmst's picture

MCC

thanks alot. I'll have to see wich MCC churches are in my area.

"I can't sleep. There is a woman stuck between my eyelids. I would tell her to get out if i could. But there is a woman stuck in my throat..."
-E. Galeano
gpawlf's picture

another option

another option is the United Church of Christ. http://ucc.org/. If you not tied to going to a baptist chruch (I think MCC is based on baptist beliefs). The UCC is a very progressive denomination. the only denomination to come out in complete support of marriage equality. depending on what area of the country you are in, you may be able to seek out of these. i'm in the southeast. it's not a largely represented denomination down here, but there are a few (including one that is just starting up in my area). there are predominately black congregations as well as mixed congregations. it's pretty diverse as a whole. Obviously each congregation is different; however, it may be worth the effort to look into one of these too.
Marcie's picture

Well...

I attend and have attended a majority black congregation, Southern Baptist Church since I was born. I am not sure what your church may be like, but as for mine, homosexuality is taboo. There are gay, lesbian, and bi people in our congregation, but it isn't as if they are really out to others in the congregation, just some of their closest friends and family. I don't blame them. As a matter of fact, I am in the same boat except no one knows about me, not even my closest friends because we were all brought up in the same environment.I mean my family, my best friend, and her family all attend the same church.  Therefore, I am well aware that things would not be okay if I were to come out.

 You should hear some of the fire and brimstone sermons...terrifying not only to queer people but also to straight people. I may be a little prejudiced though because I am sure that everyone's pastors aren't proud to say that they are homophobic, but that is tradition for you. It has always been that way; our church run by a few closed-minded,controlling,homophobic, chauvanistic men. Needless to say that I only attend that church out of neccessity when I am home from college, but it still affects me deeply.

My best advice would be to listen careully to the sermons and your conversations with others.

 Maybe your wool is a bit see-through, but don't be quite so sure that your see-through wool isn't distorting your vision. There will be those kind people who accept you regardless because they truly understand the principles of love and kindness(I find these to be more of the younger people and really wise older people. They just have a better understanding of how to deal with differences), but I hope that you don't find yourself overwhelmed by the large number of people who won't or can't because they are afraid. So I guess I am saying that my experience was/is truly scary and I wish the best for you. I really hope that there is the perfect church out there for you. If you find it let me know.

TriniDao's picture

the black church=stagnation

Mess around with them, trying to change opinions and whatnot and you will be stuck preaching to people whose opinions and faith is itself stuck in cement. It's not worth it. The black church and black queers are two seperate entities not meant to mingle, like oil and water. They dont want us, and dealing with them from my standpoint only undermines the acceptance of ourselves we work so hard to have. Ms Fashionista said it well: "Opression and represseion" is the perfect term.
nyte's picture

Homophobia in the black church

The black church is slow to change because it has always been the cornerstone of the black community. It was a safe haven for us in times of turmoil and it was a place where we could go to insulate ourselves from the world that was beating us down due to the color of our skin. At that time the enemy was racism and segregation. Our cohesion existed upon this axis. But times have changed. Racism is still alive but not on the national scale that it once was. With the enemy not as threating as it once was what does the church have to fight against? What would be the focus of sermons now? A new enemy has to be found for there to be any meaning to the faith. The new enemy now is HOMOSEXUALITY. And this isn't the case with just black churches, it's the case with other churches also. It hits hard in the black church more so because of the hypermasculinity that is expected among black men in order to be seen as men due to the long lasting affects of slavery. From what I've noticed homosexuality is looked at with much more disgust among black men compared to black women. I've heard more black women privately express a certain sense of understanding of black lesbians but it's more so under the assumption that the only reason why a black woman would be gay is due to our "no good" men or some kind of sexual abuse. It's still not seen as a legitimate expression of sexuality but more so a result of having few good men. So to save our community and be seen as upstanding citizens (because as a culture and community we are still trying to prove ourselves to the dominant culture) we have to rescue our black men from homosexuality. We need good black men to be fathers and husbands otherwise our community will fall apart. This is the logic behind all the fire and brimstone preaching on homosexuality, which is why I haven't stepped foot into a church in ten years.

QrOptmst's picture

Thanks for the reply, Nyte.

Thanks for the reply, Nyte. The church I attend doesn't really seem to be "fighting against" anything other than basic survival issues like jobs, marriage and family problems and finances; something I actually admire. Now, in the realm of relationships they don't necessarily have classes on how to maintain same sex relationships in an unaccepting world, which could be a problem. I haven't experienced any anti-gay attitudes as of yet, though.

"From what I've noticed homosexuality is looked at with much more disgust among black men compared to black women. I've heard more black women privately express a certain sense of understanding of black lesbians but it's more so under the assumption that the only reason why a black woman would be gay is due to our "no good" men or some kind of sexual abuse."

I can understand this coming from a straight christian woman, or any woman who has had no particular interest in the same-sex, and who may, in one way or another, be focused on her heterosexual relationships, and even her family. We all have a need to justify things in our own ways, and even I sometimes find myself searching for clues of queerness from my past. 

I've said this before, and even in my blog, that I enjoy attending this church. I like what I see (and hear) there; an outstanding budget, a congregation filled with successfull black professionals and healthy families.... a rarety in my neck of the woods. I am, in alot of ways, inspired by the community and support systems that have developed in most black churches (this one in particular) and until I meet the hostility that you other women claim to have experienced, I'll stick around and see what other awesome things this church has in store for the future.


"I can't sleep. There is a woman stuck between my eyelids. I would tell her to get out if i could. But there is a woman stuck in my throat..."
-E. Galeano
staka's picture

I wish I could feel some of

I wish I could feel some of your optimism. I honestly do. I stopped going to my Latina, Pentecostal church while I was coming out. I've been out for nine years and I am now married. I've chosen to live my life with the woman I love and I fight everyday to wash out all the fire and brimstone sermons out of my hair - with a lot of therapy - they are very pervasive after being very religious for twenty years.

I had an AWEFULL experience last year. In the midst of burrying a murdered relative. People from the black, latino and white churches in my area were at my mother's house trying to "give us comfort." I was exposed to such blatent homophobia that I swore I wouldn't step back into their fold. I just pray to God for understanding, but now I worship in my own way.

Every once in a while I attend MCC and I never miss the Pride service, but even with the option of having such a great place to worship, I doesn't feel quite the same. I fear the damage has been done. I still have great faith in God, but I'd rather tune into the religious programming on TV and if I don't agree with the guy, I change the channel and watch the Simpsons! I do miss the sense of community and of worshiping openly.

QrOptmst's picture

Staka

Staka,

I find that my optimism comes from setting aside feelings of vicitimization, and being understanding and open-minded about people and their underdeveloped attitudes toward human sexuality.

Also, do you mind me asking, in what ways did these people "expose" you to "blatant homophobia?" Please explain in detail...The more detail, the easier it is for me to paint an accurate picture of what you experienced.

"I can't sleep. There is a woman stuck between my eyelids. I would tell her to get out if i could. But there is a woman stuck in my throat..."
-E. Galeano

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