About anyone else, but as for myself, I never felt the desire to be a boy so that girls would like me. I knew from a very young age, one I don't share often for fear of being laughed at, (FOUR PEOPLE, SERIOUSLY!) that I was attracted to girls. Certainly, at that age, it's not like I knew what it was, nor did I sport the pride-flag tattoo, but anyway.

I think sometimes, people are so confused by their own feelings and the way society bears down upon them that they try to convince themselves they should have been born female or male, simply to please society. After all, wouldn't it be better if a boy liked a girl and that was it? In societies eyes, the answer is yes. Of course, to those sane ones here, the answer is no.

I guess, Alex, since you've discovered you're a lesbian, there's really nothing more that can be said. Glad it all got sorted out and once again, no I never felt like a boy, in any way shape or form. The ONE time I wished I was a guy was when I really needed to pee at Big Day Out!

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actually when i was in primary school, i used to think that i was a actual boy but they mistook my sexual identity so maybe when i grow up, they would realize their mistake. unfortunately, puberty came and reality finally dawn on me. haha, it didn't help that my classmates would say that if i was a boy i would be a really cute one (i had short hair then) and that strangers would call me little boy.

And that's the day I knew there was this entire life behind things, and... this incredibly benevolent force, that wanted me to know there was no reason to be afraid, ever.

I thought I'd share this article, because I was very touched by this young boy's story:

ABC News: "I Want To Be Seen As Male"

I especially loved the letter he wrote to his parents.
(He's a bright, insightful and articulate young man and his letter is amazing!)

I've never wanted to be male myself, but I can empathize with those who are born with a female body, but identify as male.

I don't recall ever seriously wanting to be a boy, but as a child I was never interested in asking boys out, I was more interested in hanging out with them and being their friend, and I wanted to do more boyish things than girly things because I thought that girly stuff was extremely boring. I wanted to be allowed to do what I wanted without being made fun of or called a tomboy or being forced to do boring things, not necessarily to become male.

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when I was about 13 or 14 that I thought that life would have been easier if I were a boy for many reasons and the whole thing about girls being interested in me was one of them. I'm glad to be a woman now.

"Seize the day or die regretting the time you lost"

i was young then.. i had a crush.. i thought becoming a boy was a perfect solution to win her.. stupid! but now i'm learning what it takes to be gay :) thanks to AE, Sarah (hugs)!

* the greatest law is not punishable yet rewarding *

I think there was a moment when I was really young (as in Kindergarten aged) that I might have wished I was a boy - but that was because girls were stupid! They'd worry about getting their clothes dirty, they played with Barbie dolls (I didn't like dolls at all)... And I didn't get it.

I never was a girly girl, and when I was younger other kids and other people often assume I was the younger brother (fact is that I'm older than my brother - heh). Back in high school I remember a girl having a crush on me and asking my brother on info about me. He had to break the news to her... That I wasn't his cousin, nor his brother but his sister. (Oops) 

I have a great relationship with my brother - he was "metrosexual" (way before Beckham became the face of metrosexuality) and therefore often perceived as gay... So, I guess he and I have the yin-yang dynamics going on as siblings. 

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." (Dr. Seuss)

I never wanted to be a boy, myself.  I have had thoughts about ____ would be easier if I was a boy/man.  However, those thoughts are because of the sexist ways of society, not because I want to be a man.  As a tomboy and having more male friends, etc., it was more of noticing that boys/men get treated differently than girls/women.  Damn it, I don't like the unfairness of it.

If I'd had a choice in the matter, I would not have said, I want to be male.  Personally, I don't think I really care that much, one way or another what my gender is, though.  I have seriously thought about what if & I think it would have advantages and disadvantages.  I do have to say, once a month, I definitely don't enjoy being female, though.  To me, flesh is just flesh.  It's what I wear, not who I am.  I empathize deeply, though, with people that feel so wholely uncomfortable in their flesh, because of its gender.  I can see just what a nightmare it is and admire their strength in dealing with it.

It's so hard feeling that you are one thing and appearing as something else on the outside and then having to pretend that the inside matches the outside for fear of not being understood... I am a boy on the inside, something I locked away for many years and pretended wasn't so, My Ex (a lot of you know about my Ex and how hard it is to let her go even though it was long distance and f*cked up), she was the first to encourage me to be my true self, and help foster the man that I am as such... I live in fear of disappointing my parents and can't tell them that this is how I'm feeling, but they might notice as since moving back in with them (an unfortunate move but one of my only options) I have been phasing out my female wardrobe to the best of my ability without trying to let them see, I have kept some girly stuff for their benifit... I bind my chest, and when no-one is around I pack... my mother is freaked out enough over my desire to dress up as a man when I do drag, how the hell would she react to this??? My being/desire to be a man even comes down to my sexual fantasies (I won't go there that would be TMI)... I'm afraid of being seen as a freak and I guess posting this there is one of the boldest moves I have made now those of you who read this will know along with my Ex and a couple of my best-friends, some who don't understand but are supportive and others who are in total disbelief and denial... I just wish I had the money and support to make some changes... 

Always fighting against the current, the salmon has long been a symbol of determination. (Tattoo Johnnie. com)

i always wanted to be a boy so girls would like me. being asian doesn't help either.

i have short hair and dresses like guy so i get stares in the bathrooms. even my family thinks they have 2 sons, i do more boy stuff than my brother. I still get those "young man" "sir" calls but i'm used to it. my cousin's friend thought i was a cute guy once. i have got those over the years, never did anything to it. guess as you age people won't say much. i still get stares when people try to figure out if i'm a guy or girl. guess you can say i'm a clean cut small asian guy.

the idea of wanting to be a boy is probably society's doing saying girls can't do certains things.

As a post-op male-to-female transexual of 23 years now, I've met my share of changes- in both directions- and most are very fine people-  I don't think people ever assume the identity of the other gender out of social pressure- in fact very much the opposite.  It is usually very personal and intensely overiding of all else. The pressure to conform is one thing that TG people can truly get beyond perhaps easier than others. After the change, one can truly be free to drop all the cartoons demanded on everybody else, but I think the initial response is to first embrace the gender cliches.

I've never had an orgasm in this life when I wasn't seeing myself as female somehow. It is who I am. When I started, I was drawn to the clothes and things I could not have as a male, but it's not so important anymore personally when I'm now in my fifties.  Unfortunately, there's our view of ourselves, and then there's how everyone else sees us.  I think things have gotten tougher after Jerry Springer, the military's Gay Agenda Report and since the right wing has inflamed the reactionary public since then at official levels. 

 Most people think of me as a gay man I guess- something I've never been otherwise, and I've heard the word "queer" tossed at me more than ever these past few years. As I've truly grown farther and farther away from being male in any sense, it's ironic that a whole crop of young men these days are radically more insistent that in fact I'm really one of them (males being the only species dumb enough to insult others by claiming someone is one of them)  In fact I was never anything like most of these men now at any time in my life, and in the high school I went to 35 years ago, most people would have considered using the word "queer" to insult someone as very uncool.  These guys these days are dull redneck white trash anai- and quite and increasingly offensive

I call myself bi now, because I've been with partners of both genders, but mostly I'm just celibate, and relationships are hard to come by.  Springer ended my own age of one-night stand affairs with men, while most lesbians really still don't consider us real women-  That's OK girls- YOU'RE FORGIVEN-  because I now know how irritating men can be.  I used to side with them more, because I think i've always found hetero girls and their demands and expectations irritating, but now I see that men have choices to act like civil beings that they don't  make-  instead choosing to act like fussy little boys in this big mean playpen that America has become.beat up

I've been assauted, arrested, denied my rights, hassled continually and insulted probably every day of the past 23 years, and usually by total strangers-  but I'd still make the choice to become female in a thousand lifetimes.  LIVE FREE OR DIE!  That's just the kind of guy I am.  Peace and a special hello to all changes out there.

Yeah- well you hang in there Kris- like that old Ricky Nelson song : No you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself...

It always seems to help to seek out our peers-  Transgender groups are supportive environments and there's usually some in bigger cities and towns-  They can be found on the net- try seaching "Transgender" first

Heres some of my old photos, before and after

beach baby before

Much mich too male- and an athlete circa 1978  "Rocky Horror Picture Show's" Fankenfurter's "Perfect Monster"

beach baby

Much better! Circa 1992

late 80's

A TG cliche of sorts, shortly after surgery circa 1988

Anyway, we are all capable of making changes, but it does take time. good luck! 

I wanted to be a boy before I knew that I liked girls because I loved male dominated sports. And of course I was talked about for wanting to play tackle football and basketball with the fellas. So I always felt being a dude would be easier. Then as a teenager I wanted it because I liked girls and did not know there was such a thing as being a lesbian until I met my mother's hairdresser. So, I started accepting my tomboyishness and denying my gayness for another 15 years. In that time, I learned to love myself for who I was...a woman. Now, I wouldn't want to be anything else.

When I was younger I think I did, coz I remember wanting to join the football team that my brother was on, but girls weren't allowed, I thought that if only I was a boy they I could do what I wanted to, because I never wanted to hang around with the sisters of the boys on the team at matches and tournaments.

 It was the same thing years later with skating (Vert/street etc not ice) I was always treated like the girl of the group...because I was, and I hated it. I dressed like a boy, I could skate better than a lot of them, I acted like...just one of them, same jokes, same interests (aside from girls that is) but I used to feel like the outsider with my own friends just becase I'm a girl.

Then when I came out a weird thing happened. And although I like it I'm not sure whether it's a great thing or not. But the guys that I hang around with started treating me like just one of the guys, like it made some fundamental difference to my personality..and maybe it did, maybe i feel freer to be me. Because I no longer find myself needing to play up to being as macho as possible just to be "one of the gang".

If anyone else experienced this then I'd really like to know, because I never met anyone who did, because I don't know anyone who grew up with a set of friends who were exclusively male, by choice (though i did have female friends they were not part of the group that I'd skate and just "hang-out" with). I just wonder why I had to try so hard before...and then it just came so easy when I came out. Most of the time they call me before they call each other if they want to skate or play hockey or go for a drink.

I feel that now i get the best of both worlds, I'm just one of the guys, but I'm also the non-threatening mate to my straight female frends.

 I don't really feel that I want to be a boy now because I dont think that I need that identity to connect with my friends, but I still act and dress like a tom-boy, but I think now that it's becase it's who I am and no longer a case of who I need to be. Makes me wonder whether I ever really did want to be a boy, or whether I just wanted my chosen circle of friends to accept me. It's as if the password was "I'm gay".

 still crazy after all these years

I always sort of knew I liked girls, as early as I can remember, though I only actually found out there was such a thing as gay people when I was 8 or 9 (I live in a very conservative country).  I never wanted to physically be a boy, but I wanted to have all the "rights" that came with being a boy...like climbing trees, playing with cars, never even as much as having to look at a skirt...

Nowadays I have very short hair and wear men's clothes, and I get mistaken for a guy all the time - that's how I feel comfortable, but I still have no wish to be a boy in the anatomical sense.

I always thought boys had more fun and I thought about being a boy still do but on the other hand being a girl has lots of positives too!

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~I think god is to busy finding out why people kill each other then to worry about who loves who ~

I was a bit tomboyish, more when I was younger, so in a way I wanted to be a boy. It was more an idea of being comfortable (dresses are not comfortable) and I still like men's t-shirts till this day. It's mainly the male clothing I like but even though I like that I like being a women. Even though that comes with the monthly cycle and all. I cannot see myself with a penis.

I was never into the "I wish I was a boy so girls would like me and things would be easier" phase. I was always into the "I wish I liked boys instead of girls so things would be easier". I've always tried to tell myself I'm bi (I really could never see myself as straight). I still do at times but I just keep thinking about it and keep seeing myself as a lesbian but I don't think I've accepted it completely.

no , not really . just envy them when i want to pee and i cant , when it's hot and i cant take my damn shirt off. but i dont envy them when i have pms , because well, periods are just once a month , but they have " embarassing moments" not just once a month when they 're " up " :)  can happen to them anytime anywhere so i guess its fair enough ! lol 

Comme disait Jeanne D'Arc : " tu verras de quel bois je me chauffe " ;)

i think to some point the desire to become a man is synonymous with the desire to embellish the dichotomy of the "american dream". some women long to associate themselves with strength, virility, chivalry, valor, or other characteristics that are often ingrained in the male gender role, while women often suffer under the societal pretenses of being "naturally" frail, vulnerable, and dependent. because of these congenital gender roles, it's not surprising that many lesbians might find themselves coveting a different identity since many of them feel more comfortable in the role of the "provider". the desire to be a man is also sexual in nature, since many women long to engage in sexual intercourse in the same way a man does.

i personally celebrate the fact that i am a female, but willingly admit i sometimes wish to know what it would be like to embody the counterpart of a male/female relationship as the role of male.

 I never wanted boobs... but i got em, so i pierced em. I guess im the MacGyver type.

- Blaze -

the thought only crosses my mind when i'm camping. peeing while standing just seems really convenient.

My experience with these feelings is kind of weird. I really wanted to be a boy around the age of 13 - 17. It wasn't so much about wanting girls to like me, and I never acted stereotypically masculine, always preferred dressing up to sports and all that jazz. But I felt male (or at least masculine) on a primal level. People didn't get it. I didn't really even get it myself.

I identified as transgendered for a couple of years in high school but have come to realize that's not my true identity. I've grown to be comfortable in the body I'm in. I guess now I identify as "butch" on some level, but it's internal; no one else would ever describe me that way.

I think ash's post about the "american dream" synonymous with maleness is right on the money, and probably a huge part of the reason I felt conflicted about my own gender for so long.

No i never wanted to be a boy

I always liked being a girl

i still like to be a girl and use my female charms...

But i never was a tomboy or a butch type of girl so ,no it has never been my wish...

Much luck,

If I were a boy, I'd be a real girly one. :P So no, not really.

...I used to want to be a boy too! It had nothing to do with liking girls, I just thought it would be so much easier. I wanted to be able to shave my head in the summer, and not have to wear sports bras and such. I too was very outdoorsy, and being a girl was inconvenient at times.

I joke sometimes that I'm not a very good girl; I don't know much about hair or makeup or fashion. I've had friends try to teach me how to do my hair, and I feel like a hopeless cause. I pretty much wear it down and straight all the time for lack of ability. Even with all that though, there is no way now that I would want to be a boy. I got over it not long after puberty.