AE: I agree with you. [Laughs.]
JW: It just doesn't work â€” not at all. I've seen it over and over, and when I've got people in the industry who have to drink every night for their business or [are] out socializing 'cause they're agents or producers, I'm not going to sit and tell them they've got to stop drinking; that's crazy. It's never going to happen â€” they'll leave. What I try to do is get the alcohol to be cut down and then change their alcohol content, and then kick their butt in the gym. And trust me: Their bodies naturally start not liking these substances.
AE: Right â€” they become toxic.
JW: Very. Yeah, it becomes a toxic substance to their newly healthy, nutrient-enriched bodies. And they stop doing things like smoking and drinking so much. Greatly. That's the key. â€¦ The thing with alcohol is, it has pluses and minuses. In moderation it can be a wonderful socializing bridge and really help you release some of your inhibitions and feel things that you wouldn't normally feel, or at least feel like you could express, but on the flip side, we all know the dangers and have seen the dangers of alcohol. You see it all time in our community especially.
AE: Have you noticed you've gotten more clientele since the show has aired?
JW: Oh, of course.
AE: And you're not the only gay person featured on the show. You had two gay male trainers too, Jesse and Doug.
JW: We do get more gay clientele, but we already had a good mix of industry people and gay men and women. â€¦ People know me in this community, and they know that I'm gay, and they're attracted to the gym a lot of times because of that. But now we're getting a high-end gay clientele.
AE: There's plenty of them out here in L.A. [Laughs.]
JW: Yeah, we're getting a much higher end of men and women who are perhaps even closeted themselves, but have seen the show and are starting to come to the gym.
AE: Wow, that's really interesting.
JW: Yeah, it is.
AE: When I met you in July, Mimi and you were back together. Are you still?
JW: Well, it goes off and on because she's very angry with the show. She's very resentful, and I personally can't argue with her and talk about the show anymore.
AE: What happened as far as getting back together?
JW: We just love each other. We are drawn to each other, and now it's not about codependency; it's truly that we both dated other people â€” and some people seriously. We separated twice in four and a half years for short periods of time, and I gotta tell you, we both just felt so, so off. Now you can analyze that for days â€” you can say codependency, you can say this, that, but whatever it is, it was very real to us, and it drove us into each other's arms again. We are doing well right now, but it's still tricky because of so much resentment with the show. And I'm not willing to change anymore. I'm like, â€œYou're going to have to deal with it; I'm sorry.â€
AE: Mimi is younger than you and seems a lot more immature.
JW: Yeah, well she is.
AE: The biting reminds me of a 5-year-old.
JW: A child, sure.
AE: Has she slowed down on the biting?
JW: Yes, she has, she definitely has. And the thing is, this has been a growing experience for both of us.
AE: Do you think there have been benefits to your relationship from this stuff being aired?
JW: Well, yes, of course. I see that I pull away when people react to me and make me feel too much pressure. And that's something I did a lot. â€¦ Of course our relationship has more depth and there's a more complicated dynamic between us. And I'm not a saint, and I am definitely a jealous person too, and I definitely am a possessive person too, and I like a roller coaster ride. I like high emotions and low emotions â€” I need it.