On this week's episode of Cherry Bomb, the vloggers are joined by friend and crew member Rosie Sennett for the third installment of "The Butch Mystique." Rosie discusses her coming out and the past and present struggles of butches in society.
This week's question: Should you tell your partners the truth when dating both men and women?
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on November 13, 2009 - 2:00pm.
first!
For the first time. Now i can come back and watch the show.
2nd.
2nd is the best. we all know that.
ahem.
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Because the Wind is High...it Blows my Mind.
good post.
Yeah that chick who's dating both men and women at the same time... it's the same when anyone's dating multiple people. I think everyone involved should know that they aren't the only person. Details aren't necessary but if i'm datin a chick and she's datin a dude, i would definitely like to know so that i can decide whether i wanna deal with that or not. At least gimme the option, damn. lol
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Because the Wind is High...it Blows my Mind.
The Answer is Yes
I pretty much think that the answer to any question that begins with "Should you tell your partners the truth when..." is "Yes." You should always tell the truth in a meaningful relationship because if you don't, what are you trying to achieve with that person?
Rosie's story about the woman who interrupted herself to ask about Rosie's gender was very interesting. That woman probably thought she was being considerate because she didn't want to offend Rosie, but ended up doing it anyway.
the mistaking men for women
I have...
Makin' Some Sense
I related to this episode and some of the situations expressed. i have many times(usually after a fresh head shaving) been mistaken for a "sir". Even with long hair once or twice; probally cause I *still* dress like a tomboy.
In my experience- after coming out a decade ago- I have found my seconding coming-out and that is becoming comfortable with being " butch". Granted I wont be changing anything about myself only the comfort I afford myself in being recognized as ..... (fill in the blank)
rock on sista's
I get called sir all the time.
Even when I am wearing a shirt tight enough that my chest is noticable I get called sir. I used to get embarrased about it..now I think its hilarious. I don't even bother to correct people anymore.
I was in McDonalds a few months ago when this little girl about 10 years old started walking around me while I was waiting in line. When she got back around in front of me she says "I can't figure out if you are a girl or a boy?". I just laughed and told her I was a girl. She said she really didn't believe me because girls are supposed to have long hair.
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Oh Nikki...
Gender misidentification relative to the observer's exposure?
Growing up in a relatively small, whitebread, working class town, I was one of probably only two girls in my four years of highschool that had shorter hair--Nothing radical, I wouldn't have considered that I appeared, dressed, or acted 'butch' at all, and I don't identify as that now ("I'm just me"); but there certainly were occasions when people in town--usually older people--would say 'excuse me, son,' etc., or even some kids in school thought I was a boy, from afar. I chalk this up to the gender expression still being so narrowly defined or displayed in many places, such that SHORT HAIR=BOY.
I've had the experience with small children as well, as x1013x mentioned above. In college, I had been babysitting a four-year-old for months, and somehow in our conversation I must have referred to my being a girl, and he said, "You're not a girl, you have short hair!" I guess in all that time, he had assumed I was a boy. Somehow, my ample breasts hadn't been identifiers for him? --Well, I guess not. Since kids that age don't have any secondary sex characteristics themselves, why would they notice them? (Would he have been more 'tuned in' to more subtle differences if he were growing up in say...Northampton, MA ("lesbianville") or something?) ...This would be a very interesting thing to study, no?! lol
Perhaps Kate's experience in Paris (posted above) also had to do with the assumption of the crowd there that feminine gay men would be in abundance at a fashion show (and she was one of them)?
Interesting, all this gender stuff. ...Yet part of me looks forward to it all being a non-issue one idealistic day in the future.
(...Better put earrings on that month-old baby--god forbid people have to ask you it's gender. ...What the &*$ difference does it make what gender a baby is, nevermind what other people think it is?)
So true..what she said..