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What is rock 'n' roll? Wait, that question probably requires too much thought for a Monday. Instead, ponder this: is Madonna a rocker?

My first response to the question is, "does it matter?" But since the announcement of Madonna's induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the blogosphere has been rife with complaints that the pop star does not deserve the honor. The controversy is not about her contributions to musical culture, but whether her music actually is rock 'n' roll.

You know, my response still is "does it matter?" Return with me, if you will, to Madonna: The Early Years — 1984, to be exact.



I know much of AfterEllen.com's readership is too young to remember 1984. But trust me, "Like a Virgin" was scandalous. As was Madonna.

She's done a pretty good job of staying scandalous ever since, reinventing herself over and over to keep her edge. Not every incarnation has been golden (American Life — ak!), but her influence on music — all kinds of music — is undeniable. So, to celebrate Madonna's enshrinement tonight, here are some of my favorite Madonna musical moments.

"Material Girl" was Madonna's second hit, but the first one I wasn't embarrassed to sing out loud in front of other people. Hey, I was brought up as a Southern Baptist in Texas.



My first Madonna concert was in 1987 — the Who's That Girl Tour. It was a somewhat surreal experience for me because she was in Texas Stadium, where I had attended a Billy Graham crusade in my evangelical days. Both were religious experiences.

I think my favorite Madonna song still is the one that got her in the most trouble — 1989's "Like a Prayer."



Madonna trivia of the day: "Like a Prayer" debuted in a Pepsi commercial, which had none of the controversial symbolism of the MTV version of the video. But apparently people couldn't separate the two videos in their minds, so Pepsi had to pull the commercial. Madonna got to keep her $5 million endorsement fee. Some prayer.

Remember when we learned that Madonna could act? Argentina wasn't thrilled with the casting of Eva Peron. But Evita earned Madonna a Golden Globe. And it earned the rest of us this rendition of "Don't Cry for Me, Argentina."



A friend of mine insists that I was with her at a concert in Madison Square Garden during the Drowned World Tour in 2001. She also insists that she doesn't do drugs. But I've never been to Madison Square Garden. If nothing else, I would've remembered these arms.

Madonna's last tour was the infamous Confessions Tour. I love this promo photo.

As usual, the performance ticked off religious groups, especially the song "Live to Tell." I can't imagine why.



The new album, Hard Candy, is due to be released in April. Meanwhile, you can catch the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony tonight on VH1 Classic at 8:30 p.m. EDT. Best Buy also will carry a live stream.

So, what do you think? Is Madonna worthy of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? What's your favorite Madonna song? Album? Outfit? Gratuitous bisexual moment?

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  • Leibug67's picture

    MADONNA!

    All the way!  I agree with you, does it really matter if her music is truly considered rock and roll?  She deserves it.  She has made a ton of money for the music industry (and herself, of course.  She is a very astute business women.)  She is an icon.  The first time I ever saw her was on American Bandstand and when Dick Clark asked her what she hoped to accomplish she smiled slyly at the camera and calmly said "I want to rule the world!"  My favorite album is still her very first self titled album, song "Borderline", favorite video "Justify My Love", outfit all of them, gratuitous bisexual moment her and Isabella Rossellini *drool* in Madonna's SEX book!!!

    *edited to add my unrequinted love of Madonna and her music will never die.  And yeah!  What the next two ladies said!!!  She IS Rock-N-Roll!  So stop the semantics and proudly induct the woman to her rightful place in the Rock-N-Roll Hall Of Fame already!!! 

    Goin2Maui's picture

    You wrote it right! As have all...

    ...I love Madonna! And she does rock! And get me on the dance floor too! Love the SEX book, it's on a table in my bedroom with other assorted photographic collections.

    I think she does rule the world! She is the Queen of All She Surveys and she could add me to her view, for me happily.

    I also love her first album quite alot and play it a lot also.

    And thanks to the thread starter for all the videos and the pic of Britney and Madonna! I still think it's hot!

    carolinagrrrl's picture

    Absolutely Rock-N-Roll

    I actually did a paper on women in Rock-N-Roll for a women's study class a while back, and since that means I am an expert, I must say, she definitely qualifies in that category.

    If you go back to the basic roots of RnR; it came about in the 1950's as a blend of black rhythm-and-blues and white country-and-western music. The term "rock" can now be accurately used to describe virtually every genre of music that has spawned from that. All the various genres of music we have today are fairly brand new creations. "Pop" and "hip-hop" didn't exist, even fifty years ago.

    Madonna most definitely deserves the honor, regardless of whether she's ever broken a guitar on stage or not.

     

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    explorergal's picture

    Why Not??

    Early Rock and Roll was nothing like the 'Rock' of today.  So why wouldn't Madonna qualify for it.  Can you compare any of the inductees to one another? 

    Brenda Lee vs The Clash?

    Cream and Mahalia Jackson?

    The Rascals and AC/DC?

    Give me a break.  Madonna was her own woman, did it her way and is still around.  Her popularity and sustainability prove her worth.  So quit the semantics and induct her proudly into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

     

    mikka's picture

    Totally!

    You can say whatever you want about Madonna, but shes always rocked the world with her music, image and attitude. That to me totally makes her worth getting into the Rock 'N Roll Hall of fame. With the lines blurring between music more and more everyday, lets celebrate diversity like only this website can and stand by Madonna, lol. I say let her in and let her next album be as crazy as ever.

     And in all honesty, Madge has always wanted to be a "rocker" so i say good for her, all that learning to play the guitar has finally paid off ;-).

    dawnderer26's picture

    Yes, I do think it matters

    ...if the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" inducted only rock artists. But Michael Jackson is an inductee as well as the Supremes and some other people, so I support the induction of the Material Girl (she will always be that to me)
    Ace14's picture

    Interesting question

    I think it matters if rock vs pop is a distinction recognized by the Hall of Fame. If other pop stars are inducted, then I certainly support her induction. I still wouldn't consider her rock, though.

    "Like a Prayer" is still my favorite Madonna song. I think that was the album where she really came into her own as a substantive artist. And I have very strong college/coming out associations with the song. :-)

    jeeo's picture

    Madonna and Britney

    the 2003?4? MTV music video awards.

    I loved Madonna before I watched that. But when it happened, I downloaded the opening (I never had cable). I realized I was gay after that. And it also scored me my first kiss and an intensely hot make out session with a girl who I met at summer school, because she was obsessed with it too.

    I love Madonna. So much. I'd make out with her in a heartbeat

    Rabbit317's picture

    Not Rock and Roll, But...

    It seems that anyone who has at least one hit record will get in eventually, if they live long enough. The only rule for induction seems to be that the artist be around for at least 25 years. I think they should just change the Hall's name to the Mainstream Music Hall of Fame. I have never thought of Madonna as a rocker. I don't consider Leonard Cohen, Prince, or Michael Jackson to be rock and roll either, but they're all great in their own right. When I hear the list of new inductees each year, I usually roll my eyes at one or more of the names, but then I remember that R&B also isn't what R&B used to be.

    For me, it comes to this. If someone has been around for 25 years, making music that influences other artists and the world at large, I can't really begrudge them an accolade, even one that isn't quite accurately named.

    Though we choose between reality and madness, it's either sadness or euphoria.

    -- Billy Joel

    Gryphie's picture

    Hmmmm....

    Madonna? Really? Is Heart in it yet? If Ann and Nancy Wilson aren't in the ROCK and ROLL Hall of Fame, then Madonna totally shouldn't be there.
    Amato13's picture

    totally agree

    Ann and Nancy are goddesses.  Like I said in my post below.  Madonna deserves her place but others should come first.  Heart is definitely on the list of those who should be there first.
    guitarhero's picture

    Heart AND Joan Jett overlooked again

    I agree that Heart should definitely be added and so should Joan Jett.  Who's more rock and roll than these ladies?  Not Madonna, sorry.
    lost action figure's picture

    so right!

    why do they keep passing over heart?  but the big WHY is joan...she was through the roof cool at the R/R induction ceremony...but mo' ? that was just weird to see her inducted over joan...madonna is a pop rock...joan is a rock star!

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    thelinster's picture

    No Heart

    I had to go back through the list of inductees because I couldn't believe they weren't there. That just ain't right.
    Amato13's picture

    She deserves to be there but some others should go first

    I totally think Madonna deserves to be in the rock 'n' roll hall of fame. The only thing that troubles me is that there are some artists who came before her, who paved the way for her that deserve to be there first and aren't. Most notably, in my opinion, Linda Ronstadt - who was the largest selling female rock artist of the 70s. She was the first woman ever who could sell out an arena tour on her own. The Eagles were pretty much her backing band and became famous after playing with her for years. She was one of the greatest female artist/performers ever in my opinion, in fact it goes beyond just female. In this day and age not as many people are familiar with her as they should be. But she had a long career and broke a lot of boundaries for women in rock and in music in general. Not to mention she had a penchant for reinventing herself also and pulling off things everyone told her she couldn't. So, I say yes Madonna well earned her place in music history but I think that there are some others who deserve praise first.
    saintsinner's picture

    I agree 100% with everyone,

    I agree 100% with everyone, she is a phenomenal talent who has outlasted virtually everyone who was around in the 80's (certainly in the UK). And Rabbit317 is so right, Jackson, Cohen, give me a break. Perhaps the only problem i might have with her induction is that a real rocker like Joan Jett hasn't been inducted.
    KateLouise's picture

    I can't condone this

    Nope. Sorry this reaallly burns my britches. As an avid (and I do mean avid) rock n' roll fan, and someone who is actually doing their honours thesis on the very question of what is rock n' roll, even the suggestion of this is like throwing salt in the wound, frankly. I had intended to ridicule the Hall of Fame for any new inductees for one reason- Alice Cooper has inexplicably been left out. This is an oversight or an intentional exclusion as the case may be that has to be remedied in my opinion. Alice Cooper's career started in the 1960s, anyone ever heard of the song "schools out for the summer"? Yeah that was him. He was a pioneer in shock rock and conceptual storylined stage performances. His career has spanned 5 decades. And to even suggest that Madonna who is most definitely a "pop star," (an extremely talented, gorgeous and popular pop star mind you) is just insulting. And I don't think she is rock n' roll, she's cool yeah, but not rock n' roll. I mean seriously, Madonna gets in but Alice Cooper doesn't!?! Not in my book, literally.
    jillsmith900's picture

    Is Madonna a rocker ABSOLUTLY

    i WAS BORN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE R&R REVOLUTION AND THEN IT MEANT TO BE OUTRAGOUS, DIFFERENT, TALENTED, OBNOXIOUS, ICONIC SOMEONE YOUR MOTHER WOULD NOT WANT YOU TO MEET OR EVEN WATCH ON TV.

    DOES MADONNA QUALIFY?

    ABSOLUTLY ON ALL COUNTS

    I HOPE SHE KEEPS ON ROCKIN'

    VashtheStampede's picture

    To Me the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame...

    To me the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is like every other hall of fame out there: *shoulder shrug* "Eh." Don't get me wrong, I absoultely think that Maddona and other artists should be honored for their work and what they've done for music and the business in general, but its all just a big popularity contest. In the end, its not going to really matter who made it in and who didn't. The artist's body of work and their personalities will be the things that we remember, not their name on the wall. I will say though, that I've always considered Maddona to be more pop rock then regular rock.
    pretty_in_pink's picture

    i love this woman!

    madonna is a real legend! she is amazing! i can't believe she was right where i lived in south wales in the uk, with her confessions tour and i couldn't go! that's what you get for being a poor student!

    but i love this woman and she totally deserves it! she is timeless! to keep reinventing herself and fitting in with the current pop culture is pure talent. i hope she keeps on going forever!

    guitarhero's picture

    She's pop not rock!

    I think it totally matters, and maybe that's because I'm a fan of rock and metal music.  Madonna is a pop star not a rock star and I have no problem with the Grammy's or other music award shows acknowledging her talents but NOT the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame!  She has back up dancers for crying out loud!  There's no back up dancing in rock!

    I'm not denying that she's had a hell of a career and has made some great music, but it's not rock and roll and I think it's a big mistake. 

     

    avab80's picture

    Thank you for posting all

    Thank you for posting all these videos! I've just spent a happy 20 minutes viewing a brief overview of Madonna's career. :)

    I still remember the first time I saw Madonna. It was 1985, I was watching Friday Night Videos (remember that show?) with my older cousin, and "Material Girl" came on. I was 5 years old and I've been a Madonna fan basically ever since. I never got to see her in concert as a kid, as I was a bit too young, but I did get my parents to take me to see Who's That Girl? in the movie theater. I lost interest in Madonna for a while after Like A Prayer (even though that is my favorite of her albums), which was probably for the better as I don't think my parents would've bought an album called Erotica for their 12-year-old daughter. My interest in her was revived when she did Evita, as I am a big theater junkie. I finally got to see her live for the first time on the Drowned World Tour and it was amazing. I haven't missed a tour since.

    While Madonna's music may not be what we now think of as "rock 'n roll" she is most definitely a rockstar and a pioneer. Her music and her ever-changing personas have been with me for almost my whole life, and her image as a strong, independent woman has had a big impact on me as I've grown up.

    OrBabylon's picture

    She Never Stops

    83 Debut album Madonna – took a whole wall in my room to make a shrine to her (I was 12)

    84 Movie Desperately Seeking Susan

    84 Cover of Rolling Stone – Still have my copy
    84 Like A virgin
    85 Movie Vision Quest

    85 Nude photos taken in 1978 release in Playboy

    86 True Blue –Who can forget the 3 day MTV marathon of the contest to make her video. Humming that song in my sleep after that weekend.

    88 Rumored to have slept with Sandra Berhard

    89 Like A Prayer

    90 Dick Tracy movie

    90 Immaculate Collection

    91 True Or Dare – Drove 300 miles to see the premiere

    92 League Of Their Own

    92 Sex Book

    92 Erotica

    94 Dennis Rodman – I forgive her for that

    94 Bed Time Stories
    96 Evita

    96 Daughter Lourdes born

    97 Embraces Kabbalah

    98 Ray Of Light

    00 Music – finally get to see her in concert

    00 Son Rocco born

    02 Swept Away movie – the music sequence was yummy

    03 American Life

    03 1st children’s book released

    04 Beer in England named after her – Come on, you don’t have a beer named after you

    05 2nd child Rocco born

    05 First celebrity to receive a call on the new Apple iPhone

     

    I could go on and on but come on, she deserves this honor. So if you don’t like, just SIT DOWN!

    Leibug67's picture

    HA! EZ there OrBabylon! ;-)

    Bless your Madonna lovin' heart!  I LOVE MADONNA TOO! Some of the points made above are indeed valid, however.  Alice Cooper, Linda Ronstadt, Heart, and Joan Jett deserve to be there already.  I love all of their music too and it is true Rock and Roll genre.  I still believe Madonna deserves to be there, but the fact that the others listed aren't there already is pretty disheartening.  Is AC/DC in the Rock Hall Of Fame?  Just asking.  :D

    *Thanks linster!  Ac/Dc is there.  The other aforementioned people are not.  That isn't fair... =(

    thelinster's picture

    Inductees

    Here's a link to the list of inductees. http://www.rockhall.com/inductees/inductee-list/

     

    lost action figure's picture

    madonna is pop...

    not bad or good but she is what she is...you see L7, Lita Ford, The Runways, Joan Jett, Heart and other women rockers passed over for Madonna and you have to wonder if they really will ever take women rockers as REAL rockers...so tired women not being played on the rock stations and junk like that...tired of calling in requests and knowing these d-jocks have no clue about the artist's song I am requesting...but you say Madonna and they can rattle off the songs and how they loved her torpedo bra and Brit' kiss...no hate to madonna or her fans...but geez can't we show some love to the women rockers who have picked up their axes and rocked it the hard way all these years?

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    Lil Drummer Girl's picture

    She belongs in there

    I like Madonna for the simple fact that this woman totally reinventes herself everytime she drops an album and has been very successful doing this in music. She knows how to market herself well and it shows. I never really considered her as a great singer/vocalist, but I would classify her as a great preformer. Also, I will admit that I did have a crush on her too, LOL. Anyways, she looks smokin hot and she is going to turn 50, whoa!!! Leibug, you are right that there are some other artists that have been in the music game longer than Madonna has who also deserve to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of fame; maybe those artists will get their chance for induction in the future........
    ladyjazzkiller's picture

    Adoration

    I adore Madonna, and I totally think that she deserves the induction. I've been a fan since my wee baby days, thanks very much to my sister. The best memories of my childhood and times with my sister are linked to Mo. I'll always love her, even if Hard Candy is sounding horrible to me at the moment.

    I am my own experiment. I am my own work of art. - Madonna


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