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Some people think Meryl Streep can't compete with Jessica Rabbit

There is something about December that makes people want to make lists. Empire magazine started the snowball yesterday with 100 Greatest Movie Characters.

If you peruse their list, I think you'll notice something very similar about most of the characters: testosterone. Yes, out of 100 characters, only 12 are women. And of those 12 women, one is a cartoon character. Apparently, inexplicably, this list was voted on by the public.

Here's a look at the ladies who made the cut:

97. Clarice Starling (Jodie Foster), The Silence of the Lambs

91. Scarlet O'Hara (Vivien Leigh), Gone With the Wind

90. The Wicked Witch of the West (Margaret Hamilton), The Wizard of Oz

89. Princess Leia (Carrie Fisher), Star Wars

87. Jessica Rabbit (voiced by Kathleen Turner), Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

75. Marge Gunderson (Frances McDormand), Fargo

66. The Bride (Uma Thurman), Kill Bill Vol. 1 & 2

62. Mathilda (Natalie Portman), Leon

56. Juno Macguff (Ellen Page), Juno

45. Amelie Poulain (Audrey Tautou), Amelie

41. Mary Poppins (Julie Andrews), Mary Poppins

9. Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver), Alien 1-4

When Napoleon Dynamite beats out Holly Golightly for anything, it seriously makes me worry about the fate of the world.

Here are a couple of women just on the tip of my tongue who should have made the list.

Betty Rizzo (Stockard Channing), Grease

"How about a little Sneaky Pete to get the party going?"


Karen Blixen (Meryl Streep), Out of Africa

"If I know a song of Africa, of the giraffe and the African new moon lying on her back, of the plows in the fields and the sweaty faces of the coffee pickers, does Africa know a song of me?"


Holly Golightly (Audrey Hepburn), Breakfast at Tiffany's

"I'm like cat here, a no-name slob. We belong to nobody, and nobody belongs to us. We don't even belong to each other."


Jean Louise "Scout" Finch (Mary Badham), To Kill a Mockingbird

"Don't you remember me, Mr. Cunningham? I'm Jean Louise Finch. You brought us some hickory nuts one early morning, remember? We had a talk."



Thelma (Geena Davis) and Louise (Susan Sarandon), Thelma & Louise

Louise: "You robbed the store? You robbed the whole damn store?"
Thelma: "Well, we needed the money."



Who did I miss? Which women should fill the list of 100 Greatest Movie Characters? You know, besides Jessica Rabbit.




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  • jordan-writes's picture

    Oh wow..

    That list is something else.... I don't even know where to begin...

    I guess the one thing that shocks me the most about the list, and not about the people that they left out, is that Vivien Leigh's Scarlett O'Hara got beat out by Ellen Page's Juno (which wasn't bad, but it was nothing compared to the way Vivien brought Scarlett to life) and by Jessica Rabbit, or really any of them.

    God this list makes my head spin with embarrassment for anyone that had anything to do with it. I can't think about it anymore I think I'm going to puke... Not really, but still, its a very sad list.

    Maud's picture

    What about...

    Joe (Katherine Hepburn) in Little Women
     
    Annie Wilkes (Kathy Bates) in Misery
     
    Margo (Gwyneth Paltrow) in Royal Tenenbaums
     
    Alabama (Patricia Arquett) True Romance
     
    Betty (Naomi Watts) Mulholland Drive
     
    Marion (Julie Delpy) Two Days in Paris
     
    Nurse Mildred Ratched (Kathy Bates) One Flew Over The Cukoos Nest
     
    Iris (Jodie Foster) Taxi Driver
    Angie 's picture

    Some of my favorite female characters

    Ruth Jameson (Mary-Louise Parker) and Idgie Threadgoode (Mary Stuart Masterson) Fried Green Tomatoes

    Vada Sultenfuss (Anna Chlumsky) My Girl

    Alisha's picture

    That's just sad!!

    12 women (1 a cartoon character) out of 100?! Even more proof that we still live in a patriarch and misygonist society.

     

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    royaroo's picture

    My dad...

    I read this to my father, who is now rampaging around the house listing off his top characters and raving about the outrage of such a list.

    His suggestions:
    Bette Davis in "All about Eve"
    Marilyn Monroe in "Some Like it Hot"  or "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes" ... "or ANYTHING"
    Barbra Streisand in "Funny Girl"
    Glenn Close in "Fatal Attraction"
    Diane Keaton in "any of Woody Allen's movies"

    note... these were all yelled, as he stalked out of the kitchen.

    Sportylady's picture

    Your dad...

    is pretty awesome.  I have to agree with his choices and StuntDouble's as well.  However, maybe it's because it's a recent film, but one of Meryl's most memorable characters she's played is Miranda Priestly.  I loved her in that, and everything else she's been in.

    I would add Kate Winslet in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, she was crazy brilliant.

    Oh and for shits and giggles, the cast of A League of Their Own-it's my favorite movie of all time.

    I wonder this:  How in the hell is NONE of Katherine Hepburn's roles on this list?  12 Nominations and 4 wins for the little gold guy we like to call Oscar.  Let's also remember she was rumored to play for "our" team most of her life :).

    Hannah's picture

    I heart your dad

    "or ANYTHING!" hilarious, and true. And Bette Davis in All About Eve; nice taste, royaroo's dad. Nice taste.
    space's picture

    the wicked witch of the west??

    haha....seems like a really random choice, but with 12 I guess we'll have to take it.  How about Wednesday Addams?  Charlize Theron's role in monster?  Anything by Shirley Temple, Audrey Hepburn, Julie Andrews?

    I think the sad part is that this list is that its actually not too inaccurate based on ratio of good female roles to male.  Most movies are written men and have a male main character and the female usually plays the girlfriend/wife/love interest.  I'm hard pressed to name one summer blockbuster with a female lead, or heck, even a Pixar movie!

    Aeeru aka Catwoman's picture

    Meryl Streep

    For me you can always add Sophie Zawistowski in "Sophie's Choice" & Joanna Kramer in "Kramer&Kramer" as her wonderful roles, and surely Ingrid Bergman..

    scribegrrrl's picture

    Out of Africa

    Instead of focusing on the inanity of the list, I'll focus on the brilliance of your mention of Karen Blixen.

    That scene where they go flying ... makes me cry every time. Swoon!
    Sportylady's picture

    It's Scribe!

    Yeah, I'm a dork, so I'll take this moment of dorkyness to say hi!  We miss you on AE!

     

    Hannah's picture

    TYLER DURDEN #1?

    Ok, I like Fight Club, but no! I'd even give it to Darth Vader (#2) and I'm not a big Star Wars fan. But at least that character has proven to be incredibly memorable and a cultural icon. Or Hannibal Lector (#5), because it's such an interesting and well-done charcter. And Vito Corleone BARELY made the top 10? You've got to be kidding me. The Godfather is in my top 3, at least.

    Out of this list, just 7 people of color, and no women of color. Not one. Out of the 7, one was played by a white actor (Tony Montana played by Al Pacino). Out of those 7 people of color, EVERY SINGLE ONE was either a gangster/criminal or a cop. The only one of those 7 who was not from an action movie was Red from Shawshank Redemption, but Red was still a murderer. I think it's pretty obvious that the majority of people voting on this list were action movie fans, because the vast majority of character were from action flicks. Seriously, though, no Sidney Poitier?

    Then we get to the complete lack of women. Just.....ugh. I love that they recognized Margaret Hamilton, but not Judy Garland's Dorothy? Or what about Rose Sayer from The African Queen portrayed by Katherine Hepburn? No one from The Color Purpleon the list...I'd go with either Sofia or Shug Avery. And, there's so much more, but I'll stop for the moment. I've ranted enough.

    Voodoun Romance's picture

    What the hell!? Where is

    What the hell!? Where is Sarah Connor, at the very least?!
    jc's picture

    wow...

    wow...pathetic list. all i have to say is WTH is katharine hepburn on this list. like come on...she is like a god of films. nuff said.

     

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    dame_elphaba's picture

    i was just thinking that

    i was just thinking that too--her character in bringing up baby is fabulous. 
    themaxima's picture

    I hate to say it...

    ...but I could spend the next month listing amazing female roles in Hollywood and elsewhere that are left off this list. Just another show of patriarchal power still running strong in America. Still, instead of sitting around and complaining about others' lists, I suggest AE puts together a place where we can vote in. How about the Top 100 Influential Females?

    Aya's picture

    I don't know how

    You guys write these kind of articles day after day.  It must be depressing.
    Smagninborg's picture

    What a list!

    I'm still thinking about Meg Ryans Maggie in City Of Angels. I know, some of you now think of stereotypes, but for me, this character is gorgeous.

    And how can anyone possibly forget Whoopie Goldbergs Celie in The Color Purple???

    Aeriana Eve's picture

    As Julie Andrews is my hero...

    JA-V/V

    I'm going to have to go with Victor/Victoria from ah, Victor/Victoria.  Oh, oh my! 

    nat62080's picture

    I just love Robin Wright

    I just love Robin Wright (sans Penn) in the Princess Bride!!
    alex's picture

    oh good lord

    this just goes to show how little weight women have in hollywood. what was the dykes to look out for rule again? how rarely women get interesting, compelling roles that dont involve them pining for some man. ugh. tyler durden as number 1 is ridiculous. and ellen page above scarlet?? really?!?? good lord. oh, and if buzz lightyear can make the list, so can belle. where the hell is diane keaton? and frances mcdormand? katharine hepburn? this is insane. i hate lists.

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    Elle's picture

    Catherine Deneuve!!!!!!!!!!!!

    She's played some of the most iconic (fictional) women in cinema! I love her role in Indochine, 8 femmes and other of roles of her are very highly praised, like her part in Les Liaisons Dangereuses.

    Also, Isabelle Huppert's role in Le Piano is unforgettable!

    Sarah's picture

    I argue...

    that Ellen Page's Haley Stark in 'Hard Candy' was so much better than Juno MacGuff. 

    Inkblots

    Alisha's picture

    yeah

    She was badass there definitely lol

     

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    http://www.drunkduck.com/Empathy/

    Through_the_Rye's picture

    It seems most of the women

    It seems most of the women on this list are badass and tough (Clarice Starling, Ripley, The Bride, Wicked Witch, Mathilda) and could easily be male characters.

    So this "public" that voted was a bunch of dudes. 

    kickoutdajams's picture

    Sounds like the Govt

    Sounds like Hollywood has a lot in common with politics. Did a write up regarding the 2008 election and out of 100 senators, we have a record setting 17 women, and of 435 represenatives, we reached a record of 74 this year. There's only 8 women governors. Stands at about 16% of women in major political roles. A little better than the meager 12 in Hollywood. I'm not sure what the deal is but I think they're directly related. Still plenty of work to do on the gender equality front. There's already been enough said about how there's hardly any good, solid lead roles for women in film, particularly in mainstream Hollywood. Seems most of the major movies for women are chick flicks and personally, I don't think strong memorable female roles come out of that petty crap. I still get mad when I watch films and the equal or lesser male actors ALWAYS get the first casting credit. Otherwise, I think it's just a matter of who the polling population is. I don't think they're necessarily guys but just folks who don't get it. Who knows.
    pancreas's picture

    My girlfriend bought me a

    My girlfriend bought me a subscription to Empire given my love for all things film, but from the very first issue I got I was disappointed with how misogynist the coverage is. Every big piece focuses on the guys, especially every issue's 'legend' piece on an old white man with facical hair, and the reviews for any film featuring more than one female character are extremely condescending. Even the review for Baby Mama, which Empire liked, had to come with the comment that it managed to deal with women's issues without going too far into chick-flick territory. I won't be renewing.
    Viva's picture

    hmm..

    "When Napoleon Dynamite beats out Holly Golightly for anything, it seriously makes me worry about the fate of the world"

    lol seriously though, as a newly Meryl Streep 'fan'..it is kinda sad she isn't on that list, but I'm sure I'll get over it in the next 30 seconds.

     

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    Vaya's picture

    Disgrace

    I can't say I'm surprised. The readers of Empire are mostly into mainstream action (which is painfully evident by this list). And there are not a lot of well written parts for women in that genre. Or at all. I could come up with 65 great female characters, and since I'm a huge fan of lists... Here they are:

    Ada McGrath (Holly Hunter) The Piano

    Alabama Worley (Patricia Arquette) True Romance

    Amelie Poulain (Audrey Tautou) Amelie

    Annie Wilkes (Kathy Bates) Misery

    Antonia (Willeke van Ammelrooy) Antonia's Line

    Aurora Greenway (Shirley MacLaine) Terms of Endearment

    Baby Jane Hudson (Bette Davis) What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?

    Brandon Teena (Hilary Swank) Boy's don't cry

    Bree (Felicity Huffman) Transamerica

    The Bride (Uma Thurman) Kill Bill vol. 1 & 2

    Bridget Jones (Renee Zellweger) Bridget Jone's Diary

    Carolyn Burnham (Annette Bening) American Beauty

    Cathy Withaker (Julianne Moore) Far From Heaven

    Celie Johnson (Whoopie Goldberg) The Colour Purple

    Celine (Julie Delpy) Before sunrise/Before sunset

    Charlotte Andergast (Ingrid Bergman) Autumn Sonata

    Clarice Starling (Jodie Foster) The Silence of the Lambs

    Claudia (Kirsten Dunst) Interview with the Vampire

    Clementine Kruczynski (Kate Winslet) Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

    Corky (Gina Gershon) Bound

    Cynthia Rose Purley (Brenda Blethyn) Secrets and Lies

    Dina (Maria Bonnevie) I am Dina

    Elaine Miller (Frances McDormand) Almost Famous

    Elizabeth I (Cate Blanchett) Elizabeth

    Elizabeth II (Helen Mirren) The Queen

    Elle Driver (Daryl Hannah) Kill Bill vol. 1 & 2

    Erika Kohut (Isabelle Huppert) La Pianiste

    Flying Snow (Maggie Cheung) Hero

    Frida Kahlo (Salma Hayek) Frida

    Grace Mulligan (Nicole Kidman) Dogville

    Harper Pitt (Mary-Louise Parker) Angels in America

    Hayley Stark (Ellen Page) Hard Candy

    Helen Sharp (Goldie Hawn) Death Becomes Her

    Iris (Jodie Foster) Taxi Driver

    Jackie Brown (Pam Grier) Jackie Brown

    Judy Benjamin (Goldie Hawn) Private Benjamin

    Juno MacGuff (Helen Page) Juno

    Lisa Carol Fremont (Grace Kelly) Rear Window

    Lisa Rowe (Angelina Jolie) Girl, Interrupted

    Louise (Susan Sarandon) Thelma & Louise

    Madeleine Ashton (Meryl Streep) Death Becomes Her

    Maggie the Cat (Elizabeth Taylor) Cat on a Hot Tin Roof

    Mammy (Hattie McDaniel) Gone with the Wind

    Maria Callas (Fanny Ardant) Callas Forever

    Marge Gunderson (Frances McDormand) Fargo

    Margo Channing (Bette Davis) All about Eve

    Margo Tennenbaum (Gwyneth Paltrow) The Royal Tenenbaums

    Marla Singer (Helena Bonham Carter) Fight Club

    Mathilda (Natalie Portman) Leon

    Maude (Ruth Gordon) Harold and Maude

    Miranda Priestly (Meryl Streep) The Devil Wears Prada

    Muriel Heslop (Toni Colette) Muriel's Wedding

    Ninny Threadgoode (Jessica Tandy) Fried Green Tomatoes

    Nurse Mildred Ratched (Louise Fletcher) One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

    O-Ren Ishii (Lucy Liu) Kill Bill vol. 1

    Ouiser Boudreaux (Shirley MacLaine) Steel Magnolias

    Princess Leia Organa (Carrie Fischer) The Star Wars Trilogy

    Raimunda (Penelope Cruz) Volver

    Rose DeWitt Bukater (Kate Winslet) Titanic

    Sally Bowles (Liza Minnelli) Cabaret

    Scarlett O'Hara (Vivien Leigh) Gone with the Wind

    Selina Kyle/Catwoman (Michelle Pfeiffer) Batman Returns

    Selma Jezkova (Björk) Dancer in the Dark

    Sugar Kane Kowalczy (Marilyn Monroe) Some Like It Hot

    Thelma (Geena Davis) Thelma & Louise

    Violet (Jennifer Tilly) Bound

    vagabond's picture

    Just Alabama Worley

    Just

    Alabama Worley (Patricia Arquette) True Romance

    Celine (Julie Delpy) Before sunrise/Before sunset

    Ouiser Boudreaux (Shirley MacLaine) Steel Magnolias 

    would have been enough. It's nice to see that so many of the AWESOME female characters I've adored are respected by others. I just wish After Ellen did their own version. Imagine the pictures . . .

    cosmiccowgirl's picture

    That's just sad pretty

    That's just sad pretty much sums up the original list. Scarlett O'Hara at #91? She should at least be in the top 10.

    The list also seems to favor action heroes (7 of the top 15), and in truth there aren't enough great female action heroes. Partly the problem is that there just aren't enough great roles for women, and partly people like the makers of this list don't appreciate the great characters that are out there.

    Mainly I wanted to say that Louise's line is "You robbed a goddamned store??!" not "whole damn store." This is why I cannot watch Thelma & Louise on network TV.

    LeahC's picture

    Oh please, anything but Juno!!!!!!!!

    Holly Golightly should be an absolute shoo-in, although I do sometimes think she's less of a character than a 'presence'. Still, not entirely surprising given that Empire is such a male-centric magazine.

    The one that really burns me is Juno. She is such a painfully contrived character whose quirkiness is clumsily applied by a writer relying solely on the sort of paint-by-numbers approach to characterisation utilised by the creators of 'Notting Hill' and 'Love Actually'. Hardly surprising, as the entire film was such a woefully over-hyped bit of fluff - good performances but nothing to hang them on. The only appeal is for those people who mistake the charm of the actress with the depth of the character. Including it in their list tells me that the people at Empire are only just past voting age.

     My nominations (a few of)

    1. Jackie Brown (Pam Grier) - makes 'The Bride' look like more of a cartoon than Jessica Rabbit. 

    2. Nurse Ratched (Louise Fletcher) One Flew Over The Cukoos Nest - one of the most horrifying characters in cinema history.

    3. Mabel Longhetti (Gina Rowlands), 'A Woman Under the Influence'

    4. Severine Serizy (Catherine Deneuve) 'Belle de Jour'

    5. Juliette (Bridget Bardot) 'And God Created Woman'

    6. Amelie (Audrey Tatou) 'Amelie'

    7. Betty (Beatrice Dalle) 'Betty Blue'

    8. Catherine (Jeanne Moreau) ' Jules and Jim' 

    9. Muriel Heslop (Toni Collette) Muriel's Wedding

    10.  Bree Daniels (Jane Fonda) 'Klute'


     

    Vaya's picture

    That's an excellent list! I

    That's an excellent list! I forgot some of those formidable characters on my own *slaps self* While I'm not surprised that the original Empire list looked like it did, I'm surprised that Jackie Brown and Nurse Ratched didn't make it, since Jackie is the title character in a Tarantino feature (arguably the least popular one though) and Nurse Ratched is such a classic character.

    The readers lists in Empire always look the same.

    Sharon's picture

    hmmm

    Though Jessica Rabbit gave me an excuse to look at massive breasts (though cartoon) as a child with out being too obvious...i have to say that is sad.

    What about...Glen Close in The World According to Garp.

    Hillary Swank.... Boys Don't Cry

    Kate Blanchett....in many things

    Kate Winslet....^ 

    Marilyn Monroe...Come on!

    Natalie Portman...V for Vendetta

    Ellen Page...Hard Candy or An American Crime

    Halle Berry...In a few things

    Jessica Alba...Sin City...ok...maybe not so much, but...that role made me happy

    Cher...Moonstruck

    Drew Barrymoore...you could even go all the way back to ET

    Christina Ricci...Prozac Nation or Black Snake Moan

    And the list goes on, and probably better than my picks (I agree with most of the above posts just didn't want to repeat too much.)

    thehf's picture

    Only 12?

    That is lame.

    Some great suggestions by everyone so far.  I don't think I've seen Diane Freeling (JoBeth Williams) from Poltergeist mentioned yet.  She was very determined to whatever it took to get her daughter back.  Good character.