Pop-punk band NOFX writes a song about Tegan and Sara

Dissing Tegan and Sara, not cool.

"Butch/Femme is all about relating to each other like ladies and gentlemen—no matter our genitals."

people getting amped up about the eminem thing should now be screaming bloody murder about this one!

you get your panties in a twist over the eminem-ellen-ronson thing? your whole wardrobe should be twisting n turning over this!

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maaann..

they need to grow up a bit...

NOFX is still around and making records? haha! That offends me. Fat Mike is a total douche, but NOFX has been obsessed with lesbians since the early 90s. This is not their first lesbian themed song.

Try looking up "Liza and Louise," which was released in 1992. I have this 7" and it was one of my FAVORITES when I was younger. (though at the time I didn't realize why. Duh)

Sample lyrics:

Liza had put down a few /When she met this girl named Lou/ Who convinced her to go home with her/She said, "My name's Louise/Now will you take off your clothes please?/I want to take you to the moon and back/So get on your back."/With a flick of the tongue/She made her scream/She made her laugh/ She made her dance/She was happy for the first time/And you know she wanted more

Now with her legs spread wider/She needed to have Louise inside her/She said, "I'll never forget the first time You kissed me/now I want you to fist me."

Oh hell,  I still love that song!

But yeah..Fat Mike is a douche and this has always been a joke band.

I.AM.PISSED.OFF!

They need to find more use for their time, seriously get a life and grow up.

It still amazes me that stuff like this still happens.

The media keep calling this a diss song, but it's not much of a diss. It's funny. Tongue-in-cheek and definitely not to be taken seriously.

This kind of reaction from our community will get the band more headlines and attention than they probably deserve.

I think that the lyrics, while raunchy and icky, don't really demean Tegan and Sara. It really seems to be poking more fun at the idiot questions he asks. Whether or not they're trying to make a statement about Ugly Frat Boy mentality is giving them a bit too much credit, but I think that taking our cue from Tegan might be the best in this instance.

Ha! I love "Militia Etheridge".

I read Tegan's tweet earlier today and had no clue what she was on about (did make me laugh though) so it's good to now know what she was referencing.

However, on the flipside it's not good to know what she was referencing because this makes me just a little bit mad! The song is NOT clever, the lyrics are CRAP and YOU DON'T BLOODY DISS TEGAN AND SARA!!!

Way to make yourself a legion of enemies in 3 minutes dude! 

I've heard this song before and thought that it wasn't that funny, but borderline sad.

It's w/e in my book because i dont think it should be taken that seriously.

I saw in Tegan twitter but haven't get it.

wtf, revolt for pay, that's what I tell all

You grab the pitchforks, I'll get the flaming torches and we'll meet in San Fran.

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"Great.  Not only do I feel creepy but now I look like I'm 1,000 and that I've been smoking meth all my life." -Sara Quin

Tegan's Tweet was right on. If they're not getting in a knot about it, I won't. I feel bad that Sara was creeped out about it though.

But Thank-you all the same to anyone who get's pissed on our account (Mullet totiing canucks). Time to go get my full on mull-lez trimed.

As an uber-huge fan of Tegan and Sara, I laughed hilariously at this song. You have to take it with a grain of salt. I think they're fans of T&S and it was homage-ish to them, but they did it in a stupid way.

Tegan was definitely not offended. I follow her on Twitter and she definitely didn't seem offended, I like the fact that she found the record to be "great." I think they're making fun of all the people who interview the twins and ask if they ever make out (which as a fan of T&S, they've complained about, many a time). They're just being stupid, and hey, it's more recognition for Tegan and Sara.

I definitely thought it was just a stupidly amusing song, and no punk men are gonna be "sensitive" about lesbian-ism. I'm so glad that Tegan found it amusing rather than offensive.

Again, here is Tegan's tweet:

nofx + t/s = lots of email/texts/blogs/phone calls. i think punk in drublic is a great record. we r lesbians. sara was creeped. i AM cooler. 

I always wonder how to go about these things. My coworker and I were just discussing the Eminem song as well, and trying to decide which way to go with it.

I concluded that music will always be taken one way or another. If some one is naive enough to listen to that NOFX or eminem song and think it is funny to ask a lesbian if they have slept with their sister, or ask a lez to go back to men, they were probably that ignorant long before the song came along.

Honestly I took it as a joke and that NOFX was making fun of themselves; not Sara nor Tegan.  Obviously T&S are not upset about it.  Personally i thought it was funny cause Fat Mike made himself look like a real jackass and I can totally see the face Sara would have been giving him.  Plus it seemed like he was  fan of theirs and that the joke of not knowing if he was talking to Sara or Tegan was a joke focused more about ppl who still confuse them. Like uninformed ill prepared journalists.  Overall I just thought it was funny but not making fun of Sara nor Tegan.  

And yes I'm a huge fan of theirs too! 

he is my enemy. Tegan and Sara rule!!!!!!!! 

"But just came out of the closet i don't wanna go back in..."

i just choose to iqnore NOFX and Fat Mike when they start messinq w/ ppl .. he's the type of person that thorouqhly enjoys makinq fun of other people .. he even messed with the quys of UnderOath durinq Warped a few years aqo cause of their reliqion ..

that's just who he is .. i'll still listen to their music and watch them at Warped this year 

how rude D: 

Tegan and sarah are amazing.. 

IMO, anyway.  They don't take anyone (including themselves) seriously but they are also on the front lines educating apathetic punker kids about voting and stuff, taking a vocal and progressive stand on issues.  I sincerely doubt they are in any way homophobic toward Tegan & Sara or any queer folks

As a punk rock lovin' queer, I really wish the punk scene was more women- and queer-friendly, but it's a 2-way street.  

i just love how the girls dealt with it, especially Tegan.

 this is a gigantic fart that should be treated as one, just laugh it off and move on. :P

the song is a joke - NOFX are an awesome band that have been around forever (um, the decline is prob one of the most definitive modern punk songs out there), and this is clearly a joke. obviously tegan and sara dont mind, and personally, im all for getting their names out to young impressionable minds everywhere =)

oh, and comparing NOFX to Blink 182??? no way. that's like calling Madonna Katy Perry.

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I just listened to the song and thought it was hysterical. To me, it was all out of fun. I bet the girls laughed their asses off too when they heard it.

Can we get Sara to confirm that she prefers Gina Gershon?

Alright, I understand why people are trying to shrug this off and not be upset by it. It takes a lot of energy if you choose to get worked up by every little annoying thing straight people say about gays. Sometimes I think to myself that if I had my choice, straight people would be prohibited under all circumstances to make any remarks, positive or negative, about what they think they know about being gay. Anyway, we don't live in that world I guess, and so sometimes people say wonderful things but a lot of the times you get shit like this from people who don't have the intelligence to realize that what they're saying is ignorant and offensive. Anyway, there's two reason why this particular song is worthy of being pissed about.

Reason 1) Ever been to a party where you're just trying to enjoy yourself despite the fact that you're the only lesbian amongst a crowd of heterosexuals who are flirting and eyeing eachother all night? Then you know about the inevitable guy that comes up and starts talking to you, the inevitable "yeah I'm a lesbian" and the subsequent barrage of invasive and obnoxious questions. "So, you don't like guys at all? Like...at all?", "well, if you could sleep with any guy here, who would it be?", "You don't look like a lesbian. I thought all lesbians tried to look like dudes", "So...you don't like guys at all...like...at all?", "How do you guys have sex?" ,"So how many girls have you had sex with?", "would you ever have a threesome with a guy?"

In essence, NOFX are putting that whole annoying and offensive bullshit into song form. They're basically admitting it, without even knowing, that yes they are "that guy". 

Reason 2) Imagine these lyrics if say NOFX met Chris Rock: "I told him I was a big fan / He asked me if I had a favorite movie / I admitted I had never actually heard of him but I like will smith.

Maybe I just pissed him off when I asked him (insert sexual stereotype about black men here, cause I'm just not gonna go there)

Somehow I don't think that shit would be seen as just harmless fun. We're putting up with a lot of bullshit from the entertainment industry right now trying to make a joke out of us and stereotypes about us. It's not just isolated incidents at this point, it's downright trendy to open your mouth and say something insulting about us these days. All I've got to say is I'm done smiling politely and shrugging it off. I'm not an alien, I'm just a normal person and I don't appreciate being talked about like we're some kind of fascinating creature for straight people to giggle about amongst themselves.

The lyrics (credit dotca):

I was backstage at a festival in Germany
Talking to a cute, fair skinned brunette
I asked her if she wanted to have a beer
and if she liked our set
I noticed that her hair was longer in the back
I figured that's cuz she's canadian
That's why I was surprised when she told me she was fully lesbian

That's when I realized it was Sara
or maybe it was Tegan
I'm pretty sure that it was Sara
Cuz Johnny Samson said she was the cool one
I told her that I was a big fan of her band
She asked me if I had a favorite song
I admitted that I never actually heard them
But I like K.D. Lang
I told her this Jew knows about the Junos
and how they got robbed three times in a row
And then I asked her if she knew of anyone who's selling pills or blow

That's when I creeped out Sara
Or maybe I just pissed her
off when I asked her if her sister
And her had ever had a threesome
Where they both ganged up on one girl
A fourgy or a fivesome
Do they think strapons are groovy
And had they ever seen the movie
"Bound", and did they like Jenifer Tilly
Did they like Jennifer Tilly

Sara said she
Preferred Gina Gershon
Angelina Jolie
In a "Gia" movie
That was on HBO
And "If these walls could talk"
Made Tegan cry alot
After that I almost forgot what she said

That's the problem with Diazepam
So many things I don't remember
But I got a sinking feeling
It's not that i'm a clairvoyant
But I think I creeped out Sara
I was creeping out on Sara
I hope it wasn't Tegan
Cuz Skiba said she is the cooler one

I am a total T + S fan but I can step back and see this is context - another NOFX song. And the song sounds like a joke between friends. And it's more about himself speaking before thinking because of the drugs and then regretting freaking her out. Being offended is what gives it power :)

It also sounds like it's a true story as Tegan and Sara tell a story in their onstage banter about this happening to them at a music festival.

"Tegan tweeted a response to the press the song has been receiving:

nofx + t/s = lots of email/texts/blogs/phone calls. i think punk in drublic is a great record. we r lesbians. sara was creeped. i AM cooler.

Sounds like they aren't taking this too seriously."

...so why should we? It just seems like an idiot comment from a guy that maybe was having a couple of beers and fooling around with friends when he wrote the song. it doesn't seem offensive to me. whatever. peace.

insulting canadian and tegan and sara all in the same breath ... im feeling compelled to sick a team of sled dogs on his fat ass. its okay fat mike the feeling is mutual.. noone in canada knows who you are either.

liza's had enough of meeeeeeen

I'm actually a fan of NOFX records. They make fun of everyone and everything, satirize shamelessly, and they're great live. This isn't the first time they've discussed lesbians in their songs, and as for maturity, it's a hit or miss with most of their songs.

besides, this song should be taken with a grain of salt. It's a bit like me, an Asian, snapping at every mildly racist joke or parody with vehement accusations of discrimination. What is awfully more disturbing are those so-called 'more credible' statements released by religious leaders and politicians which slam the gay community.

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that song made me laugh when I heard it a few days ago. I've been a little anti-Sara ever since her stint on Liz Feldman, so, yeah. Though the song insulted Tegan more so.. but oh well. I'm just rambling.

I've been watching 30 Rock for the past few hours with my friends, forgive me.

The idea of the song made me mad but then I listened to it and thought it was a bit funny. I still think it's stupid but whatever.

On a lighter note K-Os the Canadain hip hop artist mentions Tegan and Sara in his song Astronaut off his new cd. It's dandy

i havent heard the song. but i really hope that (as some people have suggested) it was meant more for fun than for actual offense. despite it obviously being poor taste. It would surprise me to hear them beong truly awful to the LBGT community after the underoath debacle...

let me explain. i don't know FULL details but this is what i know: underoath (another band, more emo/screamo) who are  devout christians stated at some point that they dont believe homosexuality is right or normal and that homosexuals must have had some sort of traumatic childhood/molestation/abandoment issues (whatev.) to make us this way. now i hear that this pissed off the guys from NOFX so much so that they started a bit of a band fight over it. i listened to a radio interview that NOFX did here in australia where the guys were saying how stupid they thought the comments by underoath were.

that interview made me really happy and a bit proud that these guys would publicly make a show of defending the GLBT community. i really hope they havent slipped backwards? i hope that they are just poor at making jokes...

I didn't know that that kind of haircut was called "shlong..."

=/ 

As for the song... the way I see it is that any joke that has to play off of some type of stereotype or misconception in order to be thought funny is harmful under the surface, no matter how funny it is thought to be...

I guess that a lot of people are blowing off things like this because they're playful...

...but until total understanding is the norm, it's going to be dangerous to poke fun at minorities and act in an ethnocentric way  because there are going to be people out there who take things to an extreme and use these sort of displays as an excuse to continue acting thoughtlessly.

Whether it was the intent of the artist or not, it's still their responsibility to say what they mean so that there aren't people out there paying homage to a point of view that the artist doesn't even ascribe to.

*shrug*

I still think the shlong thing is funny...

"For, Heaven knows why, just as we have lost faith in human intercourse some random collection of barns and trees or a haystack and a wagon presents us with so perfect a symbol of what is unattainable that we begin the search again."