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Is Britney and Madonna's 2003 kiss inspiring girls to make out in 2009?Someone over in the UK must’ve gotten their grandmum to write an article about the growing “lipstick lesbian” problem they seem to have these days. The Daily Mail’s TV reporter, Penny Marshall (not Laverne) just conducted an independent study that is as sad and laughable as Reefer Madness. In fact, the article she wrote is so ridiculous it’s almost impossible to not want to copy and paste its idiocy in its entirety. I’ll try to give you just the best highlights. Marshall sets up the scenario:
OK, so what I’m getting so far is that these 15-year-old girls shouldn’t be scolded for drinking, just for having the audacity to kiss each other in public because they come from good middle-class households. Wherever did their parents go wrong? She goes on to write:
Really? She’s using something from 2003 to back up her argument? Not only is Penny giving Madonna way more credit than what is due, but she also makes her seem rather predatory. Let’s not forget poor Christina Aguilera — where does she fit in with this? Xtina shared a kiss with Madonna too and yet gets no attention.
But wait it gets much, much worse:
Wow. I’m not so sure Judi James is qualified to write a chain letter much less be quoted as though she were an expert on anything. I can agree that some celebs and pseudo-celebs have used the shock value that comes with kissing another woman to boost their headline status. But to say that this is what defines the term “lipstick lesbians” is just absurd. A variety of other celebrity girl-kissers and wanna-be girl-kissers are blamed for this sudden “trend." Penny mistakenly says that Katy Perry wrote the song, “I Kissed a Girl” about an actual experience, which she's went out of her way to say it's not.
This makes her next statement even more ridiculous: Internet message boards in the U.S. were overloaded as mothers panicked about their daughters' slumber parties turning into vast, experimental orgies. I honestly don’t know whether to laugh or cry — mostly because there weren’t parties like these when I was in high school. To further prove how out of touch Penny is with not just gay community, but also pop culture, she writes: The social trend has even sparked its own acronym — LUGs, or Lesbian Until Graduation. Maybe I just grew up in the future, but the term “Lesbian Until Graduation” has been in my gay family for at least 15 years. Penny keeps coming back to damning progress: For previous generations, exhibiting any type of gay behaviour was certainly considered "harm done'. Being teased for being "lesbian" was one of the more cruel taunts that could be hurled at a teenage girl. But today we're witnessing the emergence of a growing number of young girls who are willing to experiment with their female friends. Something tells me Penny grew up in a secluded land with only sheep and pet rocks to keep her company. Experimentation between girls at a young age (or boys for that matter) has existed since the beginning of time. Maybe in the past the lip-locking occurred behind closed doors and wasn’t discussed, but now that it is becoming more mainstream (although I really hate to use that term) it is taking the “shame” factor out of it. Articles like this one make me laugh, but really it’s just so I can cope with the anger I have for this stranger. It’s people like this who are up in arms about two girls kissing but don’t have a problem with the “everything but” policy many of the hetero kids are into these days.
You know, instead of getting upset by this, I think I’ll just start making shirts that say, “If all else fails, go gay." It’s all the rage these days, didn’t you know? Submitted by on July 2, 2009 - 12:00pm. |
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What can you expect from the daily mail? It's a tabloid, which goes out of its way to publish these sorts of annoying and obnoxious articles. Obviously this woman is way off base, that's undeniable. She's writing for people who are already prejudiced though.
It's basically a running joke that the Daily Mail goes: "and let me tell you who's at fault for [insert social problem here]: The immigrants/single mothers/gay people".
It's not right, but it's not surprising.
Get A Real Job, Homophobe!
Agreed! The Daily Mail is badly wriiten, hateful, propaganda. Anyone who is not straight, white and British (and then I'm pretty sure they're not too keen on the Scots) is to blame for every problem in the world. Actually, I'm shocked a woman was even allowed to write the 'article.' The front page headline may as well read "Blacks, Gays, Immigrants, it's all their fault."
I wish that the piece was satire, but I'm sure that's a concept lost on the delightful folks over at The Daily Mail. God, I can't stand them. They need to get real jobs!
the daily mail..
does barely qualify as news journalism so it's not exactly surprising that an article is poorly researched or hugely conservative given its audience. I think anyone beyond its regular readers dismiss the majority of what it reports
there is even a daily mail headline generator: http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/
Please tell me
2 words
I think..
She might be a lesbian or something. She pings for my mom which is hilarious because when she sees her (Ann Coulter) my mom says, "that woman...is a lesbian".
I start laughing because of the absurdity of the statement or the fact she might be right...
Ann Coulter
Ann Coulter is always dogging gay people, and it's always the haters...she's probably gay...she's so self-loathing, it's pathetic!
AND she hangs out in West Hollywood!
There was a Rachel Maddow
There was a Rachel Maddow episode where a guest said something about Ann Coulter and Rachel says (jokingly), "She's actually an ex-girlfriend of mine." haha.
I'm not totally convinced, but it'd be hilarious if she was gay.
LOL!
Me think she doth protest
ugh
great commentary on an absolutely retarded article. and props for maintaing your cool throughout.
this reminds me of bill o'reilly's ridiculous lesbian gangs segment. thank god for a fair amount of lgbt visibility on british television - lets hope the English are smart enough to take little involving Britney or Katy Perry seriously.
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well what do
you expect from the daily mail! next thing you know they'll start blaming girls kissing on asy;um seekeers! lol!
love russel howards portrayal of the daily mail: "don't go outside it's full of immigrants, blacks and queers...oh if only diana were here'.
that's so what the daily mail is like, so people don't take it seriously, it's a stupid newspaper!
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Goodness. When did crazy flakes become part of a well balanced breakfast? If that's on the market, then people should at least be able to buy a clue or two. I really hope the term lipstick lesbian never becomes anything it's not.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the only show where armed knights on horses chasing an aluminum foil-covered motor home in the middle of the desert is part of a coherant plot.
omg
this is so dumb that it gets funny in a way.
i thought all people came with a brain, apperantly not :P
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hahahahaha!
this made me lol... really, its ingnorance at its fullest! xD
pff!! i can't get mad at someone whos stupid enough to write this...
Oh the good old...
Daily Mail. I fookin HATE this newspaper, always have. If I see people reading it I imediatly think there a complete tool (which I do feel guilty about, dont judge a book by its cover blahblah) but I mean this is nothing, you should see some of the stories about people of a different race, its a paper run by thick morons. Ignorant stupid twats
For the record...
When I was in 6th grade (30+ years ago) I was in Girl Scouts...okay that might not be a good example...heh. Well anyway, we went on camping trips and retreats. I can GUARANTEE you that girls have been making out with each other (not just kissing) since the dawn of time (I mean when all the cavemen were out hunting for days on end, do ya think ALL the women were just gathering berries and sitting around nursing the babies!?!).
I discovered that I enjoyed girls WAY more than boys from watching the OTHER girls make out. Of course, the party line was that they were "practicing for the boys." In my mind, practicing with each other for kissing boys made sense. Making out for 45 minutes laying down...that was beyond practice! Mind you, I was just watching...dang it.
PS. By the way, forgot to mention, I'm TOTALLY with you on the Madonna/Christina kiss. I can NOT understand why the uproar was ALL about Britney and NADA about Christina. Go figure. Though if I were Madonna, I would have spent WAY more time on kissing Christina...that's for SURE!
it's cause mtv sucks
I hate this newspaper!!
I don't usually read The Daily Mail because they always tend be quite homophobic and rascist and really old fashioned! But my parents buy it (don't know why because they're in no way homophobic or rascist) and I was bored yesterday so I decided to read it and came across this article and thought it was ridiculous!
I was extremly annoyed at how they mentioned Naomi & Emily from Skins and were basically talking about how their storyline was a bad influence for teenage girls, I get what they mean about the drugs, bad language etc, but I definitely think that Naomily's story in Skins was one of the best, if not THE best lesbian storyline I've seen on tv EVER! And I don't think it's a bad influence at all!! I continue to still hate The Daily Mail and that article just cemented it for me.
Naomily was an amazing
The Daily Fail strikes
The Daily Fail strikes again
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OK... I read the whole
OK... I read the whole article and while I can understand the bit at the end about straight girls kissing other straight girls for guys attention being wrong... and Katy perry's song being offensive.... I don't see the connection from that kind of behavior to lipstick lesbianism? That is not what that term means. I think the writer of this article is just very very misinformed and kind of out of touch with whats really going on. I feel like she got her information from some drunk teen who knows nothing about gay culture.
And, yeah, the whole straight girls kissing eachother just for attention is kind of annoying, but I don't really see it as a kind of threat. I mean who cares? What could happen? They realize they like kissing girls more than boys? Hallelujah!.... She doesn't say it directly, but I think her article is bordering on homophobic. What other reason would she be so upset about it? I mean her article is obviously not about how this "trend" is offensive to the lesbian and bisexual community.
I also didn't like that she used the lesbian storyline on "SKins" as an example of the media corrupting teenage girls. That was about a love story! They weren't just drunken straight girls messing around. It was a positive example of a lesbian relationship that actually had a happy ending! We need MORE stories like that not less. Using that as an example just didn't make sense.
Agree about skins
I know I was like whaaat? Skins was posative not corruption, the Daily Mail is bull maan.
"Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are" - Kurt Cobain
Vast, experimental orgies
That being said
I'm kinda in love with your
I'm kinda in love with your picture...wow.
It all makes sense
Ugh why did I ever finish highschool?
Ditto!
I was like "wots going on in har?" Sleepover orgies, reminded of my youth in highschool!
Yes they do have experimental orgies in uni. I only heard of them, never participated sadly :(
Another thought: Am I the only lesbian that goes "oh what's this now?' when two or more barsexual women are making out? I don't get upset at the faux-lesbianism in fact I go OUT OF MY WAY to freak them out when their actions has lesbian *this lesbian* consenquences!
I remember being told to move out the way because I was blocking them so the guys they were "performing" for can see. This is the only form of enterntainment I have at straight bars and no one will believe in anyway when I tell them I'm gay.
Kissing pretty straight girls and getting free drinks is my way of taking back power lol.
Even that
The Daily Mail is a very
My girlfriend was telling
My girlfriend was telling me about this yesterday, and when i went to her house in the afternoon, i read it with her. Throughout the time i spent reading it i laughed at it and also got incredibly frustrated with it, but towards the end i was starting to calm down and just wonder how anyone could be so stupid....until the very last sentence, where we were told that "such behaviour can compromise both their dignity and self-respect."
Harsh words Penny Marshall.
That said, i agree with Sarcasticallyawesome... "Vast experimental orgies" made me laugh when i read it. :')
And like some other people said, there's nothing else you can expect from the Daily Mail. They have a tendency to hate anyone who isn't white British, middle class, heterosexual, and in many cases, male.
The only people who take it seriously are those who write it really.
I hang my head in shame that
I hang my head in shame that such an article can be published in a paper in the country I live in. Though the Daily Mail (and almost every paper apart from The Times and more respected papers) is known for it's utter stupidity.
On another note, why on earth wasn't I invited to any of these mass experimentation sleepovers? I feel so left out! Then again, all my friends have gotten off with eachother as they can be quite barsexual.
I also hate this woman, not just for the article, but because she has created such a research-fail. Everyone knew about Lesbian Until Graduation and Lipstick Lesbian in no way describes what she says in describes; even I know this and I am totally clueless about the ways of Lesbianism even though I am one.
Thanks for bringing this article to my attention, I don't read the Mail at all because it's all so crappy.
That rag is only written or
Are you sure this isn't an
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Logic has left the building
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Your pic is really cute and funny, do you have a larger version of it?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
i know
*show me love*
i know that i certainly blame my love of kissing girls on madonna and britney. damn my fragile, putty-like mind. and damn my mtv...
it figures
i read this in the paper
i read this in the paper yesterday and it made me so angry i wanted write in, but i thought there is was no point cause its targetting a particular audience that will agree with it; aspiring middleclass homophobes. the fact of the matter is is kissing a girl does not make you a lesbian, if you are you are, if you're not you're not. seeing celebrities kissing on tv will not make you a lesbo, anyone who thinks that is plain stupid, end of.
I felt the same way...
as you Jess. I read it and was very angry & wanted to write in but felt I'd somehow fuel a flame so I just left it. It was such sloppy journalism.
-she used the Skins storyline even though it was the antithesis of what she had stated her article was about, as others here have said
-she used a main point of reference from 2003 (If you're over 45 and/or out of touch I think Madonna is still a main p.o.r. for any aspect of pop culture?)
-she used You Tube hits as if they were scientifically valid data to back her 'point'
-even by Daily Hate, sorry, Daily Mail standards, the number of references to 'nice middle class girls who speak nicely & do well at school' was astounding!
My mum (a Daily Mail reader) thought I'd been influenced into being gay by reading & watching Oranges are Not the Only Fruit and Brookside, so that dates me! Perhaps I was depressed by the article as it's the same s**t well over a decade and a half later.
Thanks for the article AE. It's helped get it out of my head. And thanks for the Daily Mail headline generator lawyergal - that's made my week!
daily mail..
erm yeah the daily mail are kind of ridiculous.
they are the most unreliable paper and they tend to write from an almost fascist viewpoint..most of their journalists appear uneducated and their articles ridonkulous.
consider it comedy cos its junk
The Daily Mail
That is actually an insult to recycled toilet paper..
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