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Ellen's dog fight continuesOn Tuesday, I blogged about Ellen DeGeneres' troubles with a pet adoption agency. Well, as these things often do, the drama has escalated — all the way to death threats. It seems the owners of the Mutts and Moms agency have received phone calls and e-mails threatening bodily harm and arson. They continue to refuse to return Iggy the dog to Ellen's hairstylist's home. My favorite part of the AP story is this comment from a spokesperson for the owners of the agency:
Uh, the "Ellen DeGenereses of the world"? You mean there are more gay, funny, dancing talk show hosts out there somewhere? Wait, does he mean this world, or Planet Unicorn?
Some reports are saying that Portia, not Ellen, signed the adoption agreement; other reports say nobody signed anything; others note that the agency didn't follow its own home inspection and microchip procedures when Iggy first went to Ellen's house. Who knows how it will all shake out. I do know that the threats of death and arson are pretty pathetic — it's obvious that both Ellen and Iggy advocate pie-throwing, not violence, in cases like these. TMZ.com has a video clip from Ellen's pre-taped show (set to air on Wednesday). Tune in to your local broadcast for the full story, and check Best. Lesbian. Week. Ever. on Friday for further updates and commentary. (Or, well, if it's something really earth-shattering or we feel really inspired, we'll blog about it first.) Submitted by on October 17, 2007 - 1:23am. |
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Are there really people...
The way I see it...
Ellen should not have made a spectacle out of the situation, on air. It was a bit overdone, and a little uncomfortable. The fact that the dog adopting agency does not adopt to people with children under a certain age, should have been enough to stop all the controversy. It's company policy! End of story!
However, the adopting agency should have left it at that. Company policy. They should have stayed away from the ridiculous comments they are making about how they are 'not going to be bullied'! Or, how they are not going to return the dog 'after the way we've been treated'. That is child like behavior, and does not keep to the main reason as to why they would not give the dog back...which was supposedly due to children being in the home? Are they now saying that they would have thrown company policy aside, and let the children have the dog had Ellen not aired the fiasco? Uh, do not blame the children, and keep the dog away from them (especially if you were leaning toward that decision) because a bunch of ridiculous people are going out of their way to make asses out of themselves, and leave death threats!
To the people who are actually feeling justified to make death threats to the adopting agency...shame on you! Grow up! Could you be any stupider??? You are embarrassing the rest of us!
That's all I got to say about that. Late!
Seriously,
Do people have notting better to do than this? This is so blown out of proportion, and turning into something ugly, where neither parties will be the first to crawl back and give in to the other.
And I do believe Mrs Degeneres has (mis)used her position. It's a talkshow, that she talks about her personal life is her choice, but to break down in tears on national television over a dog? This whole thing is just ridiculous.
And I don't know how long the dog was with those kids, but they'll get over it. They'll get screwed over a lot more when they're older, they might as well get used to it. I don't want to sound harsh, but that's the way it is.
They're 11 and 12
Yeah, they'll get screwed over when they're adults... which is why they shouldn't have to be when they're 11 and 12.
Is there a empathetic bone in your body? Comment by Zee
Do you have pets? Do you have emotions beyond that of disgust for someone who is genuinely hurt by something that happens in life. Ellen is human and has been a HUGE animal advocate. It is the Ellen Degeneres show-isn't it? She has the right to discuss whatever she wants to discuss and she was evidently very hurt by what happened to Iggy. I would imagine that you have signed many contracts where you didn't read the fine print.
I own 6 dogs and you obviously have no concern for children or pets or anything else so I recommend that you watch Fox News since it seems to be more in line with your lack of concern for real people. Perhaps you can pick up a Cosmo and escape to your own fake-ass concerns of the world.
There are a lot of Nazi pet rescue freaks that care more about power than they do about dogs and who gave them the right to speak for animals in the first place? Everyone is entitled to their opinions and if the rescue agency didn't want publicity over this-they wouldn't have been visiting the home of someone in the media.
In fact, I would imagine that Mutts and Mom's has an opening for you-think you would fit in nicely there.
indeed!
I signed up just to reply and agree with you.
For some reason there is a large portion of the population who just feels apathetic towards pets. I can not understand this, "oh, it's just a dog....," attitude.
I have owned pets my whole life, and I still feel the awe and amazment that these animals give, everyday.
If these people are truly interested in finding dogs good homes, then they would not be taking the action that they are.
Oh, and as for the death threats, I do not approve, but it shows just how serious people are when it comes to their pets. They are like members of our family. If someone where to ever try and take my dog from me... well, let's just say that it wouldn't be a fun day.
GIVE THE DOG BACK!!!
It's not as simple as that
and I mean this in a most heartfelt and genuine way. Not everyone on this site who disagrees, are apathetic. I had a dog and had to give her away, and I was lucky to find someone who was good enough to have her. I was very lucky. So I can understand both sides. If I couldn't have kept her, I would have wanted someone to make sure she got a good home, and wasn't moved around alot. It's proven that moving dogs around alot can traumetize them a bit. They have feelings and emotions. I don't know how old Iggy is, but going from one home to another can be a bit daunting for a pup. It's very true, that a dog can be someone's extension of their family, and the feelings towards that are raw, and very real. You have to understand tho, that the agency has those rules set to protect Iggy and future dogs that come into their care. Knowing that a place like this exists out there and is non-profit is a godsend for those worried what might happen to their pets if given away.
They didn't just take the dog because they wanted to, they took it because of a breach of contract. A contract that any person adopting a pet should look at. Most pet adoption places have certain terms and stipulations for adopting and checkups they do for after you've adopted your pet. The family who had the dog should try to adopt another dog there, albeit it isn't Iggy, but there's another dog there they could care for while Iggy is placed in another good home. It isn't as if they are going to send Iggy to bad home if they have to find a new place for him. The death threats happening to the agency are very hostile and dangerous for mere people working there trying to help animals. If they didn't care about Iggy, they wouldn't be checking up on him, and they wouldn't have contracts. It seems to me that they are looking out for the best interest of the pup, and are not willing to bend, because if they do, they will have repercussions with other dog owners as well.
Alot of adoption agencies try to prevent people just giving away dogs, if they can't handle them because more often than not, the families they are given to, aren't very good ones. I'm not sure why they won't have children under 14 having pets, but there might be a study that suggests people under 14 having them, but still, it's their rules, their contract. I think Ellen is more upset with herself than at the agency, and she knew she messed up, and is frustrated that she cannot fix what she messed up. Doing it on t.v. is just not the best way tho, there are alot more rational ways to go about it. I don't think she even thought of that, because her emotions got the best of her, which you can't fault her for. She loves that dog. I think Ellen in her best interest should make another t.v. broadcast to ask people to stop harrassing that agency. It's kind of a "Oh I made a mistake.. but I'll own up to it.." thing. It really is all this boils down to. It's just turned real messy because on this site in this thread right now, there are logical commentors, and emotional commentors. You can tell who is who, and what is fueling it. In a situation like this tho, we all need to take a step back and see what's really going on instead of getting all caught up in this media circus.
"No one in this world is a virgin, the world screws us all!"
Get a life.
First of all, you really don't need to get so offensive.
All I wanted to say was that Ellen Degeneres, as I see it, totally misused her position. She knew very well that saying that on her show was going to cause protest and reaction from all over, and to me, it looked like a way to pressure the agency into giving the dog back. I'm sure that this whole thing isn't doing their image any good.
The agency apparently 'threatened' Ellen Degeneres to go to the media with this, and it seems like she just beat hem to it.
And for the record, I'm very much concerned with children, and certainly with pets. I'm the kind of person who wrecks her car by hitting a concrete roadblock, after avoiding a cat that crossed the street. I'm the kind of person that hits the break if there is a bird on the road. I don't even kill a spider, I pick it up and put it outside. So pardon my laughter when I read your piece about me being an "unemotional, unconcerned, pet and children hating person". Ha .
But the Cosmo part really cracked me up. I never read that kind of magazines, cause I don't care who had a boob job or who built a new swimming pool. I really don't. I'm actually, believe it or not, very concerned about real things that happen is this world.
So, Jules, don't be such a "I'm-an-ellen-fan-and-I'll- attack-anybody-who-says-anyhing-remotely-bad-about-her" - person. It doesn't suit you.
the Ellen DeGenereses of the world
Hmmz
It's just sad that some people sometimes let their emotion override their reason. I think it's perfectly fine to feel against the agency in being (partly) sympathetic with Ellen. But 'making calls threatening bodily harm and arson'?
It's just sad :-S
"I'm so sorry for the things that they've done
I'm so sorry about what we've all become."
[Editors - Well worn hands]
c'mon
She could have seen that one coming no?? Crying on national television, naming the agency involved, millions of people watching, what did she expect? Or maybe thats exactly what she expected..
It's really stupid, sad, immature of some people to threaten this agency, especially cause they're just doing their job.. If it had been anyone other than Ellen, no one would have made a big deal out of it.
This is getting huge
They just showed Ellen on German TV. They told the story about Iggy, but were mostly making fun of it, showing clips of Ellen crying. I can't understand why everyone is making so much drama out of that thing. I think it was a wrong move to talk about it on TV, she should have done that in private. Now the agency is probably more pissed than before.
What's the purpose of this agency?
support
Interesting. I’ve had problems with Ellen for the last few years since she started being so closed off about her personal life but she’s really got me in her corner for this one. Perhaps you need to be a dog lover to understand but if you see a dog get taken away from a loving home (especially one with young children) and put back into the shelter that may not be able to place it, you’ll do everything in your power to get it back home. I don’t think she did anything wrong.
Ellen has always been a huge supporter of animals and I’m sure this is tearing her up inside. Whether famous or not, it’s a stupid rule that this shelter has. So fine, they have an agreement that you inform them when moving an animal. They didn’t. And that needs to be rectified. BY APPROVING THE FAMILY. Not taking the dog away for good. Screen them and if they pass, they keep the dog. A rescue shelter should be about placing the dogs, not enforcing administrative rules.
I can understand why she was so upset. She clearly blames herself for the dog being moved around so much. If she’d understood the proper channels then presumably the dog would be sitting in a happy home right now instead of going from a shelter, to one home, to another home and back to the shelter. She feels responsible and she’s devastated about it.
We got mad that Ellen wasn’t being personal on her tv show, now she is and we say she crossed a line? We really do eat our own sometimes.
http://www.tmz.com/2007/10/16/dont-screw-the-pooch/
Yeah, what you said
That's the puzzle to me - that the agency didn't just get the family to go through the adoption qualification process. That way, if something were amiss in the family that made them not qualified, the agency could defend itself. And if nothing were amiss, the pup would have a loving home.
Some rescue groups here has some similarly restrictive policies. For example, you can't have a dog if it will be outside during the day – even if you have a nice yard and shelter from the elements. You can't have an outside cat, even if it's a cat that otherwise would be put down. A friend of mine has a ranch and always needs barn cats, but can't do the right thing and rescue those that can't get homes. And he can't get big dogs (that wouldn't be happy inside all day) to have a huge yard in which to play. It's ridiculous. I understand the need to protect the animals, but surely they could find a middle ground.
Yeah, your first paragraph
Yeah, your first paragraph definitely covers what I was trying to say.
My guess is this shelter is less concerned about the animals and right now, this woman just wants to prove the point that she can screw over Ellen Degeneres and make herself feel powerful. I don't know, just a guess.
Like your icon by the way, yay Jane's World.
If anybody was power-tripping
it was the people that ran the rescue. Calling the police to take the dog away and refusing to consider giving the dog to the hairdresser just to spite Ellen is power-tripping.
Of course, the stipulation that a family can't have a small dog if they have a child under 14 should be a loud warning. All of my pets being rescue animals, I really respect and believe in the cause. However, I have noticed that the more numerous and ridiculous the rules, the more that the rescue shelter is run by egomaniacs who are not focused on the welfare of the animals. There are reasonable rescue shelters out there run by caring people. These are the ones who should be supported.
Biases
"Of course, the stipulation that a family can't have a small dog if they have a child under 14 should be a loud warning."-Andra8
How more biased can an adoption agency get? Since when is having a small child a detriment to a dog? I know that some pull tales and all, providing the dog has the temperament to get along with children it’s actually healthier for them. I sniff a liability clause. Since younger kids wrestle with dogs, they get hurt and parents try and sue the adoption agency. Or the agency is just really biased about children. These types of laws have now basis in common sense. Also bending the rules for (not necessarily just because it’s a celebrity issue) but because there is an obvious quality home available should be a no brainier. When has the mission statement of save the animal been lost to social bias and social status dissatisfaction? I feel for the dog in all this.
Also, saying “It’s just a (insert anything)” reveals way more about the person saying it then they realize. Trivializing and dismissing any type of life is ignorance and the elitist attitude at work.
"False beliefs lead to real consequences"
I go away for a day...
LMAO! I totally agree!.....
Yup
I was a bit shocked that Ellen would go on national television and apologize like she did. I understand she's hurt, and the other family is hurt, but was that the least rational way to handle it? Yes. What happens now is what is happening now. She could have talked to the family and the adoption agency on her own terms, so this wouldn't have been thrown out there in a whirlwind. She should have read the contract, but unfortunately they didn't read the contract, so they have to follow the rules. Yes, people tend to break the rules for special situations, but why? Why should they be broken for someone who didn't even read the contract? I'm not against Ellen, or her wanting to give the dog a good home. I love the fact that she cares for animals more than anything, but.. that does not give her the right to make this whole issue a personal vendetta, which it seemed to be. You don't see the family that the dog was taken away from on T.v.? Why? Because maybe for them, the pain doesn't need to be projected to the world, but dealt with in their own way.
Some things cannot be handled emotionally. If your going to go up against the president of this agency, emotional will not cut it. This goes back to the fact that, celebrities are still human, and they will make mistakes, but... should get no special treatment for anything. As a society who looks up to these people, we have a hard time keeping them down a pedestal anytime something happens we wouldn't deem appropriate. Now the adoption agency is receiving threats, because of this public broadcast of pure emotion, it has reached other people, that are emotional as well, and that is what is driving this. Ellen, we know your sorry, but it did not help for you to broadcast it. You did use your power, on t.v. to ask the agency(instead of talking to them personall in your own way), to give the dog back to the family, not only did you jeapordize, the agency's policies and probably 100's of other dogs that the agency protects and have protected, but your have also made it unsafe for people working there, because you thought it would be a good idea to do it this way.
Many other people would have handled it differently. I'm just one of them. I still love you Ellen, but next time, go to the person you have a problem with, and deal with it that way. It's just politics this way.
"No one in this world is a virgin, the world screws us all!"
Ellen and the dog thing
While I was driving to work this morning, the station I was listening to mentioned the Ellen/Dog Rescue group too. Only, they said something about how Ellen's publicist called the Rescue agency just before the show was taped and threatened to go public with it if they did not return the dog to the family.
Of course I do not know if this is true, but it adds an interesting twist. I can totally see it being true though.
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"If you go flying back through time, and you see somebody else flying forward into the future, it's probably best to avoid eye contact." - Jack Handey
I can somehow see, but
wow, that would be an intersting twist if that actually was true.
"No one in this world is a virgin, the world screws us all!"
While I think the whole
While I think the whole misunderstanding was Ellen's fault (there's a reason why we have written contracts... so that it can be read!), I don't see why there's all this fuss. Ellen has never struck me as the type to be making political statements on her show, so I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say she only let her emotions get the better of her. What's so wrong about that? Are we not allowed to express emotions anymore? Does it always have to be a sign of weakness or manipulation? In fact, from the clip I saw, she never once blamed the organization. She repeatedly mentioned that it was her fault and not the little girls' and she was pleading to give the dogs back to them.
As for those who wrote in to the Mutts and Mom's agency, wow... just when I start thinking that sensibility is not extinct yet...
I'm constantly surprised at what makes news nowadays...
This is crazy!
lesbian without borders
There are things that are more important
Obviously.
And I believe that's why we're discussing this in our leisure time on an entertainment website.
Plus, to the people involved, this may have more profound and immediate impact to them than world peace or global warming does.
Finally, to those who are interested in psychological or behavioral studies, this may serve as a good case study.
: )
This is not a personal attack. I just wanted to point out that analyzing this event is not as meaningless as it may appear to be.
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"I'm so sorry for the things that they've done
I'm so sorry about what we've all become."
[Editors - Well worn hands]
I am all for
lesbian without borders
Ellen is an idiot
The *ONLY* reason why Ellen did this charade on TV was because she thought she could get her way with the agency by using her show as a platform. This is no way to resolve a dispute.
I am not talking about the whys and wherefores of the agency. They may be at fault too, and overly rigid, but Ellen using her show to put pressure on the agency is beyond stupid. And the death threats and harrassment that the agency now faces was a result that could have been predicted.
Power's gone to Ellen's head. Sick.
I see your point, but I
I see your point, but I don't think that's the issue. I think she was overcome with emotion about the situation, and instead of trying to do the show with pig puffy eyes (and everybody getting online asking 'what's wrong with Ellen? ahh!'), she shared what was making her upset. That's how she is, the show is a personal show...she's becoming more honest about how she feels every day.
I agree that begging for the dog to be returned on TV wasn't the coolest move, because that's a set up for death threats...because fans are morons sometimes, and if you make our happy comedian cry, we'll shank you.
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Why can't the family adopt
Why can't the family adopt the dog? She can pay for all the crap, but what's stopping them from adopting the dog themselves? Is it the principal of the thing or what? It seems like a simple answer.
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Common Sense
I, too, am surprised that we (and apparently a large chunk of the rest of the comfortable first world) is talking about this minor dispute -- which is really the point of the criticism leveled at Ellen for using her bully pulpit to air her personal grievances.
I am also surprised at how viciously some of the posters have attacked those with whom they disagree. (Yes, this is a reference to your post, Jules. Accusing Zee of being less than human for espousing a viewpoint different than yours? Really?) Reasonable people can disagree about whether the children ought to have the dog back, or whether the contract language could have been more clear, or a number of other things -- but reasonable people should allow others to express viewpoints with which they disagree without personal attacks.
And with that said, I'd like to ask Ellen politely to keep her personal squabbles to herself.
Have a nice day.
Media
So, this story is on the front page of FoxNews.com now with a big picture of a crying Ellen. According to the article, the Mutts and Moms agency will not place the dog back with the hairdresser's family.
Here's the article.
From reading, apparently the agency does not allow families with children under the age of 14 to adopt small dogs. WTF! Why?
Here's the link to Ellen's blog and her comments on the situation.
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"If you go flying back through time, and you see somebody else flying forward into the future, it's probably best to avoid eye contact." - Jack Handey
I wonder why
they won't let anyone 14 and under have a pup? That is weird indeed. Maybe they did a study or something and found pre-cautionary troubles with a dog and younger children? I do know, when you have a 3 year old or so, having a dog can be quite difficult and not just for the kid, but the dog as well. It's not always a good relationship and alot of times, the animal tho the child means well is manhandled pretty roughly, and can defensive which sometimes make the owners get rid of the dog by giving it away as well. Maybe at 15 your less likely to not be able to handle a dog and able to bond more.
"No one in this world is a virgin, the world screws us all!"
It's menopause.
I was embarrassed for ED. Her ridiculous wailing over a pooch was waaaay over the top! The MM were just as bad for contacting the media -- they're the ones who went public with it first. They're both being completely obnoxious -- along with the rest of the media for turning into a circus.
The circus Ellen started is spinning out of control...
I can't get away from it! Now the kids are on TV telling their sob story! [roll eyes]
The US sure loves the court of public opinion.
Lets see which side spins a better story.
And it all started with Ellen.
It's a DOG
I don't know what's stranger - the fact that Ellen and Portia seemed to expect the dog to bond with their cats (it's a DOG!), the fact that Ellen was sobbing (sobbing!) about it on TV (it's a DOG!), the fact that this is hitting news bulletins (it's a DOG!), the fact that people are sending death threats to the animal shelter (it's a DOG!), or the fact that the animal shelter seems to have legal power to decide where the dog lives once Ellen/Portia took it from them (it's a DOG!).
I'm guessing though that this dog is going to end up with more fame and riches than most of us could ever dream of, and probably its own blog. (A doggy blog? A dlog?)
I just want to know what the cats are thinking. Was this part of their dastardly plan - to make sure Ellen and Portia never brought another dog into their house? Can we get an interview, anyone?
Love Pussy xx
A dlog?
dogs are people too... i mean.
Dogs and other animals become not just pets, but members of the family and usually really quickley. I'm not surprised that Ellen went to bat for her dog, if anyone tried to take my cat i would probably kill them and happily serve the prison sentence. Animals are more than creatures that can just be dismissed so off handidly. It's not just a dog.
Although I never think death threats are ok, but thats the extreemest in everyone today. We can't just protest we threaten, we can't just be rebels, we shoot people. Everything has been stepped up."False beliefs lead to real consequences"
I find it pretty interesting
I find it pretty interesting that you'd tell us not to dismiss animals off-handedly, but you dismiss human life that way. I agree with you that pets become members of the family (mine are), but not only would I not want to go to prison for them (prison is a scary place), I wouldn't want to take a human life for them (or any other life, probably).
To quote you: "Trivializing and dismissing any type of life is ignorance and the elitist attitude at work."
I'm not surprised that Ellen did what she did, but that doesn't make it right. Actually, I wouldn't even apply a moral judgment to it. I still think she abused her position as a national talk show host, but I understand why. I think if Elizabeth Hassleback (sp?) did the same thing, we'd all have very different reactions. I also think that if a poor or middle class person breached a contract, none of us would 1) know about it or 2) side with the poor or middle class person. But I'm happy to be proven wrong on all those counts.
I am a dog lover
To Jules: It's got nothing to do with being a doglover, i have a dog, i love him to death. (love you Bill!!!) The point is: This agency does a lot of good! And now Ellen has publically criticized these people. And you know what will happen now! Well we've already heard it: (death)threats?! Are you kidding me??
I'm sure this agency will find a good home for the puppy, that's their job. And Ellen should just do hers..
Dog-gone!
So who'll issue the first law suit? The kids? Ellen? The shelter? or the dog? Are there any doggy-custody pundits appearing as experts on cable news yet?
Ellen was funnier when she was a comedian. This is just embarassing. Portia, honey, it's time to come back downunder for a while for a dose of good old Aussie common sense. You know what I mean.
Not Only But Also
Oh and also...
Ellen has a hairstylist? You're kidding me!!
Hey, has Rosie blogged about this yet? Now that would be worth seeing, especially in haiku.
Not Only But Also
Reality
Why are people behaving as if the family Ellen gave the dog to (in violation of her contract) only had a chance to adopt one dog? Are you not aware there are other dogs in this world. Lots and lots and lots of dogs that will eventually be put to sleep because no one wants to adopt them. If they only want to adopt that specific dog Ellen has enough money to buy one from any part of the world without making a dent in her pocketbook.
Ellen is making herself look terrible here. Manipulating her fan base into harassing some women trying to help animals and then turning up the heat going on radio shows and claiming "I only want what's right for this dog". So there you have it. Only one dog in the world that the family could adopt, and only one family that is right for the dog.
I dont beleive the point is
Well it's all moot now
And they called it PUPPY LOVE
Ok, so what the heck folks. Who doesnt love a puppy. I have adopted 2 dogs from rescues and have encountered many rescue people who are a bit nuts. I know they are trying to help animals and must protect them but they act as though you are trying to adopt a child out to a known sex felon most of the time. I have been treated very poorly but some of these people and I am a great pet owner. I was once dragged out into the parking lot of a rescue and told off becuae I had to give a dog of mine to my best friend 10 years earlier becuase my living circumstances required it. I was being told how horrible I was by this woman at a cat rescue. I was asked if I would give my kids away too!
If the dog went to a good home with a good family in a safe and loving environment who cares? Ellen may have not followed the rules but neither did the rescue by not nuetering the dog, this is required by law by all rescue organizations, or putting the chip in her name. When the woman went to the house of the people who had the dog why not find out if she felt it was a good home and then if so leave the dog there. But she was hell bent on making a point, not looking at what was best, the dog had bonded with that family. And the point about not adopting dogs out to familys with kids is crazy! Kids need dogs and dogs need kids. Insane!
I respect and support animal rescue but lighten up already!!! You have devestated these kids at no fault of theirs. Give the dog back, the dog doesnt need the drama either has anyone thought about that?
Rightful tears?
Are those tears really for the doggy situation? I don't think Ellen had to go to the EXTREME and cry her eyes out on national tv... I mean come on... and I do love animals and I have cried for animals... (if the animal had died or something). Not because the animal was too rambunctious and couldn't get along with my other petssss... and giving it away..then taken from. I mean... it could've been strategic tears or... personal issues tears... And I do love Ellen...she's great and all but.... I don't buy it completely....and also I don't like Amanda Rogers a.k.a Portia de Rossi. I think she's with Ellen because Ellen is swimming in money, and has more tv claim than Portia does. Plus Ellen got weak in the knees when she noticed Portia had interest. I mean...leaving Alexandra Hedison for Portia... it was so obvious Ellen acted superficially and shallowly... Though to my taste Alexandra is prettier than Portia... Portia is too skinny-bony and ugly nose... I used to like her more before she got with Ellen.. though she wasn't that famous at that time.