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Cinematic pairs: partners or lovers?Lately I've been thinking about lover Cindi on The L Word. Well, not Cindi herself, but the "lover" thing. It's hilarious every time Dawn Denbo says it, mostly because the word lover has gone out of favor. It used to be a common term in the gay community — or anywhere, really. Especially in the '70s. But now lover has the connotation of "f--- buddy," while partner or girlfriend is generally the preferred term for the people you want to keep around for more than just sex. Or at least that's how it seems to me. So what makes a partner, and what makes a lover? Armed with my trusty (and dusty) DVD collection, I have conducted a sort of survey. I don't suppose it's educational in any way, but it was fun. 1. Cay and Vivian (Patricia Charbonneau and Helen Shaver), Desert Hearts
I just had to begin with a tricky one, didn't I? Cay and Vivian definitely start out as lovers, but if Vivian had stayed, they might have become partners. Still, when I think of them, I don't think of fun times or tender touches or home improvement. I think of steamy sex and mind-bogglingly deep kisses. Verdict: Lovers (they have to remind themselves to stop long enough to get some food!) 2. Claude and Lucy (Alison Folland and Leisha Hailey), All Over Me
These two are so cute, I don't care what you call them. But when they walk along with their ice cream and Leisha grins like that, it seems like a love that's built to last. Verdict: Partners (in a happily ever after sense) 3. Corky and Violet (Gina Gershon and Jennifer Tilly), Bound
Hmm. These two are carnal and star-crossed, but they also seem destined to be together. And the sizzle is accompanied by a sense that they're on the same wavelength — they have a meeting of bodies and minds. I think I have my first tie. Verdict: Partner-lovers (lesbian bed death will never strike!) 4. Agnes and Elin (Rebecka Liljeberg and Alexandra Dahlström), Show Me Love / F---ing Amal
They're inexplicably drawn to each other in an opposites-attract sort of way. And they don't even have sex, so that makes the lover label seem wrong. But it's their alliance against the forces of narrow-mindedness that really makes them seem like partners. And such cute ones! Verdict: Partners (who get lusty when they hear Foreigner songs) 5. Gia and Linda (Angelina Jolie and Elizabeth Mitchell), Gia
Ouch. It breaks my heart just to think about these two. They get naked within minutes of meeting each other, but the looks that pass between them are soul-deep. I think they would have become partners, if Gia hadn't run off with her lover — smack. Verdict: Thwarted partners (can I get an alternate ending, please?) 6. Lucy and Syd (Ally Sheedy and Radha Mitchell), High Art
Hey, another cheerful movie! But I don't know if these two would have made it even if Lucy hadn't succumbed to her addiction. Syd was a fan, and that whole superstar-admirer dynamic doesn't often bode well. Plus, if I were Lucy, I'd have chosen Greta (Patricia Clarkson) in the end. She was a fabulous disaster. Verdict: Photogenic lovers 7. Randy and Evie (Laurel Holloman and Nicole Parker), The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls in Love
I rarely like the endings of movies, but I love the way this film ended. Randy and Evie have an epic romance — poetry, opera and pot all figure in! — and at the end, they only have eyes (and ears) for each other. Verdict: Partners (even though they're too young to last very long) 8. Sarah and Miriam (Susan Sarandon and Catherine Deneuve), The Hunger
Oh, the hotness! Dawn Denbo and her lover Cindi wish they were this sexy. Verdict: Lovers (and vampires) 9. Radha and Sita (Shabana Azmi and Nandita Das), Fire
This movie is all about passion — the kind of passion you have to pursue even if it means facing physical harm and ostracism. And yet somehow, these two are much more than lovers. Or maybe they're the kind of lovers of which myths are made. Verdict: Partner-lovers (I picture them living happily in a small house somewhere, making amazing food and dancing) 10. Camille and Petra (Pascale Bussières and Rachael Crawford), When Night Is Falling
Another storybook pair. Yes, they run off to join the circus, but that doesn't make them any less grounded and committed. Verdict: Acrobatic partner-lovers 11. Luce and Rachel (Lena Headey and Piper Perabo), Imagine Me & You
As sexy as Lena is, these two don't seem as sensual as they do lovey-dovey, probably because the film is so lighthearted. And I love it for that! Verdict: Partners (who know how to yell) 12. Kitty and Nan; Nan and Florence (Rachael Stirling, Keeley Hawes and Jodhi May), Tipping the Velvet
A-ha! I think I have my archetypal pairs. Kitty and Nan are lovers in the best senses of the term, while Nan and Florence are a model for every kind of partnership. And both pairs prove that music (and a dashing wardrobe) improves your sex life. Well, I didn't even make it halfway through my DVD collection. If I were a thorough researcher, I'd have covered lots more, including recent films like Loving Annabelle and Itty Bitty Titty Committee. But I'd need more funding for such an extensive study. (And I limited myself to movies, so feel free to talk about TV pairs in the comments ...) Submitted by on March 19, 2008 - 6:14pm. |
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Fingersmith!
Scribe, how could you mention Tipping the Velvet and not include Maude & Sue? Too much Sarah Waters, perhaps. Regardless, great list though I am not familiar with half of the pairs you referenced.
P.S. Xena & Gabrielle are my obvious choice for #1. Jo & Blair from Facts of Life for #2 Do vlogs count? If so, I would say Baby Bridget & Jill for #3. Oh, and Weekend Update (former) partners Tina Fey & Amy Poehler are pretty awesome. Smart & witty are the new black!
Hmm, can't decide ...
Jo and Blair, good choice. I would have to say lovers. Baby Bridget and Jill, definitely lovers. Baby Bridget doesn't seem to stick with one woman very long. Although she was pretty broken up over Jill.
I have to disagree with Scirbe's verdict of lovers for Sarah and Miriam. Call me a romantic but I say partners. If you are going to be together for a couple hundred years you need something more.
I am indecisive over Claire and Noel from Claire of the Moon which wasn't on the list but was on mine. I think each character might have a different view.
Great blog Scribe!
I agree
I really wanted to know your take on Sue and Maud after the Tipping the Velvet reference. Also partner is a good term to use about your, well partner, when you're unsure on how someone you just met feels about same-sex relationships.
But I'm a Cheerleader?
Great list but what about Megan and Grahame? Ultimate partners! And Annabelle and Simone (Loving Annabelle): lovers - that one wasn't going anywhere right? Rita and Betty (Mulholland Drive): lovers and partners-in-non-linear-neo-noir-crime-thriller...
Did you see the
Did you see the extended ending? Maybe its because I'm a huge romantic, but they were definitely partners, they were before they hooked up in a sense, Simone just needed time to work it out.
Lucy Diamond and Amy from D.E.B.S definitely made it. I can imagine them shipping off to Barcelona, Amy getting into some sort of arts course, Lucy hiring sail boats out to tourists. Its just too perfect not to work.
Simone & Annabelle were
Simone & Annabelle were never partners. They were always going to be lovers for a short while. The fact that is is illicit & forbidden merely enhanced the pull towards each other but I reckon Annabelle was far too forceful for Simone for it to become a partnership based on equality, no matter what the alternative ending (not extended!) said. In fact, it reminded me of Kerry Weaver and Kim Legaspi. Kerry was far too repressed and Kim, lovely as she was, was far too pushy, not really giving Kerry much time & space to work things out.
I prefer them as lovers anyway as relationships/partnerships a boring film makes with little tension.*Puts on flame-proof trousers*
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I agree with your choices
P.S. How friggin cute is Show Me love btw. I still love that movie. And I'm going to add some of my own.
Jill and Diana (Susie Porter and Kelly McGillis in The Monkey's Mask) total lovers. I think if Jill hadn't turned Diana in for conspiracy to murder, she very well could've ended up on the slab herself what with all the sexual asphyxiation and all.
Legs and Maddy (Angelina Jolie and Hedy Burress in Foxfire) I think if Legs hadn't taken off or Maddy had decided to go with Legs in the end they would have been great partners.
Ruth and Idgie ( Mary Louise Parker and Mary Stewart Masterson in Fried Green Tomatoes) Total Partners. The key to their happy relationship of course being that "the secrets in the sauce."
Kim and Maggie (Christina Cox and Karyn Dwyer in Better than Chocolate) painting partners. Need we forget the seen with the body paint and the nude protest at the end?
Felice and Lilly (Maria Schrader and Juliane Kohler in Aimee & Jaguar) tragic lovers but idealic partners if things had gone differently. Okay now I know this is a true story but had the out come been different I think that Lilly and Felice wouldn't have stayed together for very long after the war. I got this from the book that the film is based on. However the cinematic couple could've had a very blissful life raising Lilly's sons in Berlin and taking more wonderful trips to the zoo.
I too could go on forever with this so I'll stop here.
Shelley C
I totally disagree with ...
Your assessment of Luce and Rachel.
I think Rachel ends up getting scared and going back to men. Leaving Luce for someone who truly deserves her.
My assessment, however, may be stilted due to the fact that I am one of only three other lesbians who seem to hate Piper Perabo. The other two aren't even on this site.
*le sigh*
I DO agree with your archetypes of Tipping the Velvet, however. Especially since that movie seems to be my LIFE archetype. Well, less in the street walker sense, more in the dichotomy of having had a Kitty, and now having a Flo.
For whatever we lose (like a you or a me)
It's always our self we find in the sea
acctualy.....
I don't like Piper Perabo. I love Imagine Me and You despite her. *prepares to duck rotten vegetables and assorted knick nacks that are about to be pelted my way*
As for the article...I agree with all the assesments presented...well said and entertaining!
"Nothing is impossible and there is no such thing as a lost cause"
partners or lovers
Anthony Head (slightly off topic)
noooooooooo
please dont shatter my fantasies.......
rach and luce together forever yayyyyyyyyyyyyy :D
(y doesnt rach deserve luce or is it just the piper hating factor?)
love the pic from bound - awesomeness!!
~to cure rarely, to relieve often, but to console, always...~
negative.
Doesn't happen. The Director/Writer said so. The end scene is supose to illustrate that.
"Bad jokes are us, ur me."
one more for the list
you cant count me in regarding piper perabo :-(
"For most of history, Anonymous was a woman" - Virginia Woolf
Who got on the train?
D.E.B.S.
Aw...
I don't know which one like better, Piper and Lena or Angelina and Elizabeth...
Scio me nihil scire
I agree
yeah i agree fingersmith should be in there.
but stiil you did a very good job. also debs haha. Come on Lucy diamond and amy running off together. But i agree all over me leshia is so sweet and that scene with the ice cream is so cute.
Thelma and Louise!
Lost and Delirious
Paulie and Torie: lovers, definitely.
Any thoughts on what Wil and Vivian are in Saving Face?No way!
Paulie and Tori were definitely emotionally into each other! That was kind of the whole point of the movie...
I'll put them as thwarted partners.
And regardless of how you feel about Imagine Me and You (personally, I love it), they are clearly supposed to be partners.
love this
I love this blog. How about Starbuck and Apollo? I'm behind a couple seasons so I can't comment one way or another. (they are very slashy)
Linda and Gia... wah! I need to find that DVD. Its not right that I don't own it.
I still haven't seen The Hunger. It seems a crime but it keeps getting bumped down in my netflix listing.
Wil and Viv are partners who will break up and reunite at least one more time. They'll always go back to each other.
definition of lover
I think "lover" has always meant "f---buddy", or more accurately, "person I'm f---ing". "Lover" can have a more long-term connotation than "f---buddy". It depends on how you use it and has to have a time reference attached. If you say, "We were lovers once," dramatically, people will think you're pretentious about the one night-stand that didn't go anywhere, or that you're trying to work some kind of Leonard Cohen-style mystique and will next write a song about every girl you sleep with down by the river. (I kid because I love, Leonard!) The alternatives to lover aren't great: saying, "We f---ed back in 2004" isn't any better. "Lover" attaches some meaning to it.
"Girlfriend" is more permanent sounding than "lover". "Partner", in my opinion, means basically married. It implies contracts to me.
scribegrrrl why only american names?
I have noticed that on this site films (or movies as you Americans refer to them) are often addressed by their "American name".
While i don't mind the inclusion of the American name, i do mind the exclusion of the original title or the title used in other English speaking countries.
Last time i checked this website wasn't just for Americans.
I was going crazy trying to understand why the two girls pictured in no. 4 (show me love) looked familiar? so went to IMDB and found out that for some reason (probably censorship) the film wasn't called "Fucking Amal" in the USA.
Fucking Amal was the original title and was also used in some English speaking countries.
Please try and include original film titles especially when referring to foreign films. Other than that i love your blog. Keep up the good work.
Changes
Actually, if you read the terms of use when you signed up I think you'll find that technically this is a website for Americans despite being friendly and inclusive when it comes to those of us who live outside the US.
And I do think you have to cut people some slack when it comes to even knowing that a movie or book has a different title in another country. Speaking of which, I still think the funniest retitling I know of was when it was decided The Pope Must Die had the potential to cause offense in the US and so they retitled it The Pope Must Diet.
Ouch!
I did not know that!
I guess alot of us shouldn't be here then...
But then again this is the Internet, and practically impossible to control.
Back to the topic; I accept people not necessarily using/knowing the original movie tilte. I just hope you guys cut us (foreign members) some slack for not always writing perfect English.
I think...
I think and hope that it's a site for everyone, not just Americans. I never read that in the terms and can't imagine that it's meant like that. There are contributers from all over the world and that's what makes this page the best lesbian website around.
I don't care if only American names for movies or TV Shows are used. I can always look it up on the IMDb and y'all can too ;)
I seriously question
I seriously question whether the intent of the site is just to be directed at US citizens, despite the really stupid wording of the ToU:
This Site is offered and made available only to users 16 years of age or older who reside in the United States of America, its territories and possessions (“U.S.”).
Looks like stupid legal boilerplate to me, and to be told to stop using the site immediately if we're not in the US is ridiculous. If they were serious about that, they wouldn't post all the stuff they do of international interest, and they would also host the site in such a way that it is inaccessible to those of us overseas (unless we jump through some semi-legal hoops).
Leaving aside the stupid ToU and the intentions of the site owners, giving the original title of a movie is only courtesy (and convention) in reviews. I've griped elsewhere about the "language" policy here, and it seems yet another example of where "naughty words" means that content is unnecessarily edited.
The intent of that line in
I've added the title
Thank you
Agreed
I haven't seen all of them, but I've seen most of them and I definately agree with your views on them.
On the subject of Fingersmith, There is no doubt that Maud and Sue were completely in love with each other. They are definately partners.
Mmm, Jodhi May.
It's interesting the partner/lover thing, and how it's evolved. I was certainly all about "lovers" in my early 20s (late 80s), but now it's totally "partners". One thing that's interesting in most of the English-speaking world - except the US, I think - is that most non-married people in a relationship (straight or gay) refer to themselves as partners these days. "De facto" sounds very 70s now. I also have married friends my age (so, under 40), who refer to themselves as "partners" as well.
Of course, that's all being nicely counterbalanced with the legions of queers who call each other "husband" or "wife", when, in most countries, that isn't legally so, and - frankly - who wants to partake of religiously-loaded terminology when one isn't religious?
I like "partner" because it doesn't have the baggage associated with the religious marriage ritual. I also hope that one day marriage itself will be abolished for everyone, and we have simple contracts to enact to arrange property and financial matters between anyone we want to formalise such a relationship with.
[How did I end up on that rant?]
Getting back to where we were, thanks for mentioning all my favourite dyke movies - No But I'm a Cheerleader - they're lovers, who might evolve into something more. And I haven't seen Gia yet (and I looove Elizabeth Mitchell - woez!)
Young partners do exist
I have noticed that in the comments the general consensus when it came to terming young couples as partners people balk. Re-termed as lovers because they are too young.
I don’t know, I think that when we get older we tend to discount the experiences of younger people as almost frivolous. To me a relationship is anything that you really get your heart involved in and that there is definite clear intent of trying to stay together. Most of the young couples then qualify as partners. Just because we know later that the relationship is probably doomed doesn’t make it any less of a partnership. Girlfriends don’t always last multiple years, or even months.
That being said, I loved this topic. I also didn’t particularly like "Imagine me and you" but that’s because I expected more. I love Piper though, and she and Lena are great together.
You are responsible for your own happily ever after.
partners - widespread use even in the US
Hey Trix, just wanted to add that even in the US, people are using the word partner among straight couples as well (married or non-married). My work colleagues use it as do graduate schools on the West Coast (and graduate students). I do live in California, though. I suspect this may not be the case in Arkansas.
even in the middle of the US
i live in Michigan, Indiana before, and it seems as if everyone i've met uses the term partner to describe their significant other. maybe because i generally tend to hang with queer friendly progressive types (my friend Rob actually apologized for getting married because i can't), but am i the only one who has been fooled into thinking someone was queer because they dropped a phrase like "well, with my last partner" or "my partner and i" only to find out later they're completely hetro?
That's cool!
Interesting comments about
Interesting comments about the "lovers" or "partners" in the films.
I definintely think Piper and Lena had a future in "Imagine me and you".
I always thought that Nina and Lisa might too in "Nina's Heavenly Delights".
Carole
check my blog - http://labellecarole.blogspot.com/I love this game... A wintery mix of lovers and partners...
Mona and Tamsin- My Summer of Love... tortured BUT exciting and passionate.
Hallie and Jo- Walk on the Wildside... again tortured but exciting... Capucine is exquisite.
Nadija and Lucy- Nadija... who doesn't love vampire lesbian action.
Frida and Tina- Frida... so it was only like 5 min but who didn't LOVE that dance scene.
Amy and Lucy- D.E.B.S... so nice.
Felice and Lilly- Aimee and Jaguar... ridiculously moving.
S'il y a bien une personne
S'il y a bien une personne que j'aime lire c'est bien scribegrrrl, et ce sujet je l'ai trouvé plus qu'interessant.Parce qu'il donne envie de faire comme toi et de revoir tous ces films qui nous ont marqués .
If there is a personn who i love to read is scribegrrrl. Always interessant and smart , and this topic is more than an exploration of lesb films, and an interrogation of the "lover" word or the "lover world".it's an illustration of lesbian life in prism of lesbian cinema which is terrific.
thank you
Merci. :)
but doesn't the word
but doesn't the word partner also suggest a business arrangement?! i mistakenly thought on one occassion that a person meant their significant other rather than their business associate, oops!
two people i know of used the words 'my partner' and then 'they' in conversation. i don't know if the others present noticed this or if it was just my curious mind. as it turned out both ladies in question have a female significant other, which i guessed :o)
the german word lebengefaehrte/in can be translated as partner but literally means life companion. i like it! but then you have the gender endings to contend with, which are tougher to conceal easily...
would you include the pairs in fremde haut/unveiled and boys don't cry in this discussion?
It's a word whose meaning is still evolving
The primary and original meaning of partner in English is still "business partner", but the "romantic partner" meaning is starting to take precedence, especially with the under-40s. It's also most common in queer communities, although in plenty of English-speaking countries, it's become part of the usual (and legal) language to describe all genders. Sometimes you still have to go by context.
It is handy on occasion that it's gender-neutral, though. It's nice to be able to discuss "my partner" without having to come out to a complete stranger (like the mechanic or the shop assistant). The German term is nice too, but yeah, lebengefaehrtin is a bit of a giveaway! (When you're female yourself) :-)
i don't like either one
lover is way to clinical/makes it all about sex. and i feel like a lot of people use partner so they won't have to let it be known that they're seeing someone of the same sex.
The word lover
makes me think about infidelity. Cause the word also tranlates to mistress in Norwegian. So I agree with bean, it sounds like it's all about the sex and not the feelings involved.
Same goes for "partner". Either you're talking about a business partner, or your samesex girl or boyfriend. Where I come from I don't think straight people wound't use partner concerning their spouse. That's probably because the law that allows gays to "marry" is called (directly translated) The Partnership law aka Act on Registrated Partnership. So if you talk about your partner, it's most likely a business associate or you're gay and have a significant other.
Lost in translation. Jeeeeeeez
I hate to post just to nitpick, but...
I believe there are at least two television projects on your list, Gia and Tipping the Velvet.
Oh, and so I'm not just nitpicking, I do have to say that I'm with everybody else on Sue and Maud.
EDIT: But actually, I suppose you meant ongoing series, so f*** it, ignore. Sorry.
i'm also asking where but i'm a cheerleader is...
because I love Natasha Lyonne and Clea DuVall together onscreen. I know they're kind of at the beginning of their relationship in the movie, but dude! I love it.
Otherwise, I applaud this list, the comments, and the fabulous visuals. scribegrrl, you continue to rule the world.
Fingersmith and But I'm a Cheerleader
But I love both Fingersmith and But I'm a Cheerleader, of course. I concur that Maud and Sue are partners, but I'm not quite sure about Graham and Megan. I'd like to think they lived happily ever after!
(Also, since I blogged about Clea and BIaC last week, I didn't want to sound too obsessed. ;)
Oh -- and about the use of the word partner for straight couples ... I live in NYC, and when I say partner, people think "gay." My impression is that in the U.S., only very forward-thinking communities, like academia, for example, apply the term to all couples. But I'd love to be wrong about that, because it would be nice to have a generic term.
Anyway ... glad you're all enjoying this post! Fascinating discussion. :)