Never! Yoda rockz!

Fab vlog as per usual :)

"I'd be doing exactly what Original Cindy is doing."
"You'd be calling me 'Boo'?"

I laughed so loud at that that my mom heard me all the way across my house, through her bedroom door! I was not expecting that :P

I've never watched Relativity, and quite frankly, this might be only the second time I've heard of it. And it's very likely that the first time was some AfterEllen article. But I remembered what show it was because of the seismologist reference. It's probably one of the funniest lesbian scenes I've ever seen, just because of the whole earthquake machine thing. So I found this clip on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZgNu9a6AGw

I hope it's the right one :P
I don't know if you couldn't edit this clip into the vlog because of copyright issues, but I hope it's ok to post it here. If it isn't, I'll edit the post :)

I'm looking forward to Who Thought THAT Was a Good Idea on Monday. God knows there have been countless stupid lesbian moments on TV... it's time someone ranted about them, and who's better at that then you guys, right? ;)

(Oh, and for those of you wondering: Lori's Yoda t-shirt reads "Make fun of me you should not" — which begs to be made fun of!)

How does it beg to be made fun off?

That scene in the pilot of Dark Angel will always make me laugh. Lauren Lee Smith then went off to play a genetically engineered superhero in Mutant X then, left that show and played a certain soup chef who made lunch for her girl. (It is funnier in my head I swear.)

Sarah, you didn't like the muses? You had to like the the one in "Lying Pig", the angel in the cab Jaye through out the window as it screamed, "I didn't say anything!"

And just to be annoying- The founder of AfterEllen has a girlfriend named Lori?  Why didn't that that occur to me earlier?   I feel like a idiot.  I like making connections, it amuses me.

"Bad jokes are us, ur me."

Love the clips when you're mentioning tv shows. I loved "Picket fences" and I also remember where I was when that kiss happened! I remember feeling such joy because I was finally realizing who I was. Good times...

I agree with thoughts about Exes&Ohs! Love the show, they have to give it a second season. How hot IS SAM/MARNIE ALTON?! I have a huge crush on her, it's insane.

Love you guys so much!

It would be hard to pick a favorite moment between Kim & Kerry on ER:

-Kim kisses Kerry followed by, "That's why I can't be your friend, Kerry."

-Kerry blocks Kim's exit with, "I'd like you to stay."

-The scene with Kerry in the shower touching her finger to her mouth and then the awkward scene in the kitchen, the morning after her first time with Kim.

All 3 scenes can be found in this compilation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO-iieX3RIA

My favorite Sandy & Kerry lesbian moment is when Sandy outs her in the middle of the ER by kissing her (not that I would approve of such behavior in real life), and then when Kerry later tells Sandy that she did do her a favor.

I would also have to add Bianca & Maggie from All My Children to the favorite moments list, but I would put Bianca & Zarf/Zoe on the worst lesbian moments list.

There is a great site for seeing the Bianca and Maggie storyline in its entirety. BAM for Beginners has a timeline that includes links to online clips of almost all of Bianca's scenes since coming out involving Frankie or Maggie, so you can watch them in order. Here's the link:

http://www.bamforbeginners.com/timeline/

~ Angie

http://www.watchersgames.net

It's been great to remember all these shows. I have seen Once and Again once and again.

Thanks, JuliaG, for the link. Relativity was a great show.

I loved Xena and Buffy

I wasn't actually allowed to watch Buffy as a kid - I used to tape it and then get up an 3am and watch it then... very very sneaky. I was so upset when the tape didn't work for the last episode of season 3 I was so upset... then my aunt kept calling it "fluffy"

The "Secret Life of Us" an Australian drama, also had a lesbian couple, that was my favorite because it was just shown as being normal and there was no stunt factor involved.

Does the Secret life of Us show in other countries?

I've never seen 4 of the tv progs guess I will have to get a copy of them all now. I loved Brookside (I'm a Brit) with Anna Friel playing Beth. I loved Beth-Margaret storyline and her dealing with coming out. They did so much processing! A character on Emmerdale Zoe Tate came out in the same year 1993, a good year for Brit Lesbians :)

I love Buffy, Picket Fences I remember that episode well, I also like L Word although flawed I feel I should watch it. As for ER I prefer the Kerry/Kim storyline which was more prominent. As I am writing this I am sadly remembering that the storylines start well then go off track.

 Also liked Playing the field, Bad girls, Sugar rush and Meet the Braithwaites although a crazy series.

I watched all of these but it still took me years to realize why I liked them all so much. Doh!

you let people know about lesbians that are on tv. I didn't know about some of these shows until i read some other articles mentioning them.

seriously if i hadn't discovered this site, i would probably be lost on the lesbian visibility on tv, and just be stuck watching tv shows with out any lesbians. which is alright sometimes, but nothing beats a good lesbian storyline. even if they are always the same.

Sarah and Lori----Loved your list---Xena & Gabby, ER's Laura Innes and Willow have my votes.

Ebay just got $133.56 from me as I finally bought the entire 6 seasons of Xena...I may not ever leave my house....

Mari SanGiovanni

Author of: Greetings From Jamaica, Wish You Were Queer...

www.GreetingsFromJamaica.com

Can I just say...I love you guys!! That was such a good vlog. Thank you so much for compiling the clips, and for your insights. It was fab to see all those scenes again..particularly Once and Again, that was such an excellent show - like Sarah, I watched it long before the lesbian storyline. The Herskovitz/Zwick shows were always excellent and also always quite gay-friendly/inclusive.

THANK you! Looking forward to Monday's vlog, I can only imagine the horror LOL

In the script, there is an additional line after Jessie kisses Katie on Once & Again:

Jessie: Oh my God.

Katie: What?

Jessie: I just never... understood kissing. Until just now.

(from Once and Again "THE GAY-STRAIGHT ALLIANCE" DRAFT/REVISION 12/13/01)

I think it was better without that line (because their expressions speak volumes), but it is an interesting addition - that "oh, now I get what all the fuss is about" moment.

Another great shooting script to read is the original script for Buffy the Vampire Slayer "Conversations with Dead People" with Tara appearing to Willow instead of Cassie. It was so much more heart-wrenching. I understand Amber Benson's reasons for not doing it, but I wish she had. 

~ Angie

http://www.watchersgames.net

Great job with the vlog, as usual. The clips give me a whole new set of shows to check out--though, I wonder, is it bad form to check out these shows on DVD during the writers' strike? Is that akin to crossing a picket line?

All my recommendations for shows to add to my Favorite Lesbian TV Moments have already been mentioned...either in the vlog or the comments...but I do want to highlight Fastlane's kiss between Billie and Sara. I think that one resonated with me because, quite honestly, my expectations were so abysmally low. I'd seen other episodes of the show and when I first read about the storyline, I thought: there's no way they get this right. And yet, much to my surprise, they did.

As for shows for inclusion in your Least Favorite Lesbian TV Moments, I've got a few recommendations. Both Friends and Ally McBeal using the ol' lesbian-until-the-end-of-sweeps-week trick with Jennifer Aniston and Winona Ryder and Calista Flockhart and Lucy Liu, respectively.

Bianca Montgomery's storyline on All My Children was historic, but in ABC's overzealous attempt to push the envelope, the Bianca/Zoe/Zarf pairing killed the magic. Paige and Alex were groundbreaking on Degrassi until...um...I'm still not sure what happened there.

You mentioned this in a recent vlog, so I doubt you'll rehash it, but Serena Southerlyn's coming out confession just as she was being fired on Law & Order certainly belongs on any least favorite lesbian moments list. And, of course, there are the portrayal of lesbian psycho killer on _________ (fill in crime drama here).

Amazing how much easier my least favorite lesbian TV moments came to me than my favorite ones...go figure.

It must be a coincidence that the same day you put up See Jane Lead in the center of your vlog, it was the bane of my existence when I tried, unsuccessfully, to add it to a display I was working on at the bookstore I work at, right?

...right?

Also, speaking of books, and speaking of Yoda, might I recommend the following book to Lori: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780756632021&itm=1

P.S. I remember when they were running promos for that Once and Again episode, I specifically stayed up (it was a school night!) to watch that one scene. Except, this was when I was living at home with my parents, and seeing as they don't take kindly to my lesbianism, I had to turn off the lights and basically keep the sound to just above a whisper. But, still, when I saw the two girls kiss, I felt a sort of vindication in seeing myself--the young, searching, uncertain lesbian--represented on a national stage.

"Out of the box is where I live." -Starbuck

I think I should thank you guys for reminding me of childhood/adolescent moments in my life like Silk Stalking, ER and Buffy, I didn't remember Georgia Fox on ER, but I actually watched that episode, thanks for bringing it back ;)

Ellen: I used to watch it, but I think it got cancelled in Mexico just after she came out, and just recently their airing it again but the don't rerun the episodes with her and Laurie too much, I've only watched the episode where Ellen's parents get married again and Ellen asks Laurie to marry her and she says no, I was a little dissapointed there...

Buffy: My bff and I were obsessed with Buffy in Junior High, we even picked it as a topic for our website creation assignment, my bff was in love with Angel, I was in love with Faith, Cordelia and Drucila (if that's how u spell it)

Once & Again: it was also one of my favorite shows, I think Sela Ward is amazing, and Sarah, Evan Rachel Wood also gets around playing bisexual/lesbian wannabe characters, let's not forget Thirteen and Pretty Persuasion.

The L Word: the scene where Marina makes her move on Jenny is one of my fav lesbian scenes of all times, I was just amazed by Marina's character during the 1st season, she seemed so sofisticated, of course she was also sexy, foreign and spoke like 4 languages, I find that HOT.

Exes & Ohs: The show has made it to my favorites list. Michelle Paradise is my new heroine, I love her writing, the characters are amazing, I really enjoy the show, and I agree the chemestry between Sam and Jen is just GREAT!

great vlog as usual, love y'all!

"i don't suffer from insanity...i enjoy every minute of it"

Excellent list you ladies have there. I've actually seen most of those.

Buffy, although I hadn't watched the show (I know, it's blasphemy!), I really liked the Willow/Tara / Willow/Kennedy pairings. One of my favs.

Xena/Gabby is my favorite of all time. I loved that final scene. I was so impressed with how they made that scene; the whole idea of "giving water" to save Xena made me laugh. We all know there was no water there. 0_0

I was one of the few that watched Wonderfalls. Saw it when it aired was on LOGO a while back. I appreciated it. Not the best show but the main character Jay? was fun to watch. Secretly though, I think I was waiting to see if the writers would dig a little deeper with the lesbian storyline [or rather, create one].

Thanks to Youtube, I managed to see the earthquake simulator scene from Relativity. Wished I had seen the show.

Some of my favorites that you missed were:

That episode of Fastlane where a Jamie presley's character was seduced by Tiffani Theissen (better known as Kelly from Saved by the Bell). Didn't see the show, but this epi was entertaining. It were a few moments in there.

Any scene with Bianca and Maggie AKA BAM from ALL my children. Reminds me of those days before I had Softball practice and a social life. Ahh, soaps were fun to watch. *le sigh*

Nina's heavenly Delights. I liked everything about it, the music, he accents. It was all good.

Oh yea, and btw, in the last episode of Exes & Ohs I felt like they were hinting at Sam and Jen getting together in the future... maybe? [or maybe that's in the Wishful thinking edition?] LoL. Either way, I like their chemistry.

And clips were a great addition to the Blog.

Don't be a slave to the unavailable!

I totally misspelled Jorja Fox's name, I am so not paying attention today, stupid school papers taking my attention away from the blogs *smh*

"i don't suffer from insanity...i enjoy every minute of it"

Okay...I'm slightly embarrassed that I thought of one more...but the lesbian storyline on Girlfriends definitely deserves to be on your least favorite list.

Ofcourse I've seen and loved all the moments of: Ellen, Buffy, Once and Again, O.C., S.O.N. and The L-Word (but didn't like the character Jenny from the start, so I didn't go wild for the Marina story, although love Alice,Dana (loved and still do),Shane and Tibette(since the 4th season because they both have grown)).

But my all-time favorite stays XENA. From beginning to the end there was subtext. Plus the actresses are amazing. There are to many moments to talk about. Just to name a few: Is there a doctor in the house, The Quest, Ides of March, The Abyss, When Fates Collide. I loved it so much because it was develloped over six seasons, first it was subtext, in the 6th season it became maintext. But I'm gonna shut up about it because we've talked a million times about it (so good is the story,lol).

Hmmm, What a range of shows this list has grown. I didn't really get into the Buffy's and the Zenas BUT

-I still remember watching Ellen the first time round and thinking this chick is cool and she has good taste in shoes. Little did i know that it was the stirrings of a crush.

- The BROOKSIDE story line was also amazing - i couldn't believe that they actually had to girls kissing on a soap. Sigh. It was very delicious back in the day.

-The L word - OBVIOUSLY, how could a show with so many gorgeous ladies NOT make the list, By now I was already out and fine with telling people I wouldn't go out - the sexy hotties were on TV.....hmmm... shane....yum.

All I can now say is BRING IT ON - we need more and more story lines with depth and content and not just thrown in there for the boys to drool over!

Wasabi

I must say you perfectly nailed it, as always... All my favorites moments were there and the clips you showed were the same ones I have seen dozens of time (especially the once&again and OC ones!).

So I know this is no news but you rock ladies!

On a sidenote, you should definitely read the Physics of the Buffyverse, of course only if you are HUGE geeks, which is my case.

And when you are missing a clip with lesbian content it is almost always to be found on the forum of xenababe

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Xenababe/index.php?showtopic=103

whose lesbian moments collection is impressive. But maybe there is some problems there with copyright for you, even if there are only clips??? I don't know so if there is, my apologies.

Can't wait to see the monday edition!!

"I'm gonna give you all a nice, fun, normal evening even if I have to kill every person on the face of the Earth to do it"

I would definately add Talia and Ivanova on Babylon 5 (esp the episode "divided loyalties") and Melanie and Lindsay in Queer as Folk. Also, I wouldn't have reduced the Xena and Gabrielle relationship to only the finale. There are better moments on the show - the dance (heart of darkness) the kiss (return of the valkyrie), the other kiss (the quest), many many I love you's and special moments (one against an army comes to mind), lesbian love triangles (with the two Najara episodes).

You also left out "best friends" on Cold Case, which I find amazing and so well done.

And as for Buffy, I would add that love scene in "touched", as it really was groundbreaking by showing two women having sex just as they show heterosexual couples.

Best kiss on television was actually between Lucy Liu and Calista Flockhart, and I think it is worth mentioning.