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Rachel Maddow talks to Charlie Rose about Iran, Twitter, gay rights, fame, and coming out

AfterEllen.com reader Kerstin tipped us off to an interesting new interview Rachel Maddow did with Charlie Rose on The Charlie Rose Show this Thursday.

During the 25-minute interview, Rachel gives Rose her take on Iran, American foreign policy, gay rights, President Obama, and Twitter, but also answers questions on more personal topics like the success of her TV show and her sudden fame. When Rose expands at length about how so many people have crushes on her (including "gays, straights, teenagers, rabbis, [and] Republicans"), she blushes and then deftly avoids responding.

It's a very engaging, substantive conversation that covers a lot of ground. You can watch the entire interview here — the first 17 minutes are focused on politics and policy, the rest on her and her show:

Some highlights:

On the President's stand-back approach to Iran: "I certainly don't always agree with him on foreign policy issues [but] I think that he is doing the right thing in Iran."

On why Twitter has played such a big role in the Iranian election protests: "Decentralized things are powerful things when you're talking about mass movements."

On the economy: "Regulation isn't a dirty word, and government having a role in the clean functioning of markets is not something that should be resented, demonized, and minimized."

On Obama's gay rights record in office so far: "The distance between his actions and his statements on gay rights have been actually a little bit shocking."

On fame: "I try to pretend it doesn't exist."

On how she realized she was gay: "I just sort of arrived at it through rational deduction."

On being out: "Find your own way, but it is better to be out than to be closeted, and I can say that in terms of quality of life, and in terms of what's ethically right for your community. It is better for other gay people if you're out."

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  • Clara's picture

    Yay, more Maddow stuff. My

    Yay, more Maddow stuff. My obsession is at a high. It went Maddow>Emily Deschanel>Ana Marie Cox>Clementine Ford>Maddow>Sue Perkins>Maddow

    Did anyone notice she kept talking really soft all of a sudden, as if she was upset or really concerned? She seemed almost vulnerable. I'm not used to it! But was kinda nice somehow too.. hmm

    It was all interesting but esp. cute when he read out the stuff about crushes and soooo nice to hear her talking about coming out and being truthful and saying it wasn't easy but she was soo brave as were others who came out back when when they didn't know how friends and family would react

    vid being jumpy,, net being slow, might rewatch another time for a smoother Rachel interview experience

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    tated's picture

    what a style star

    She beams both confidence and humility.  So classy!
    Kerstin's picture

    I love Rachel

    Sweet my tip worked lol......i love Rachel shes adorable :)
    jordan-writes's picture

    Good Job

    Good job Kerstin (pronounced Cast-in to whoever was wondering... which no one was). Did you see this interview because you don't have cable?

    http://jordan-writes.blogspot.com/

    Aidan P's picture

    In awe, as usual

    The more I see her speak in interviews, watch her show, etc. the more in awe of her I am. She is so amazing. And she must be if my moderate republican mother watches her and enjoys her.
    Dr. LADY-CROFT's picture

    I am officially in love with

    I am officially in love with this woman! *sigh*
    pecola's picture

    Great interview

    I love Charlie Rose--listening to him read that excerpt from the Observer article was terribly endearing and, I imagine for Rachel Maddow, slightly embarrassing.  

    I must admit, and I'm probably alone in this, I prefer Rachel Maddow in long form interviews like this one or her past interviews with Nancy Pelosi, Colin Powell and Barack Obama. I wish she'd do them more often. 

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    Justice consists not in being neutral between right and wrong, but in finding out the right and upholding it, wherever found, against the wrong. - Theodore Roosevelt

    Erika's picture

    I love Rachel

    I love Rachel Maddow.  I like listening to her talk about pretty much everything from politics to her personal life.  She's gotten me interested in politics and watching other news shows with my parents.  Actually she's gotten me so into all of this that my friends call me a nerd but I really don't mind.  I hope she is on TV for 15 more years.  I definately have a small (read: rather large) crush on her.  I liked the interview.

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    Njkohl's picture

    <3

    <3 maddow
    Caitlin's picture

    She is...

    She is far and away the most respectable person on television. I defy anyone to watch this interview and say otherwise.
    KiwiGirl1974's picture

    What a brain ...

    She could/should seriously be the first woman US President.  Seriously.
    PD's picture

    First female President?

    She may just be in with a chance if she continues to suck up to the Brzezinskis and Zellicows of the world. (IMHO deplorable recent Maddow conduct.)

    At least she is mentioning civil liberties, or the lack there of. So, that's something I guess...

    Not a fan I'm afraid.

    Jeannette's picture

    Just Wondering

    To what are you referring?  What's wrong with Zellikow?  And do you not like Brzezinski because he tends to be more hawkish?  Just wondering what you mean.
    PD's picture

    References

    Why do I hate Brzezinski? My God, where should I start? His many instances of "intelligent manipulation" over the years? Take for instance this inglorious episode where the atheist Brzezinski, urges some poor Mujahadeen schmucks to follow God and go fight the Russians on behalf of him and the CIA.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJTv2nFjMBk

    Or bang up to date, here he boasts and predicts how things are going to play out in Iran. I wonder how he can possibly be so confident? Another CIA 'Color Revolution' perhaps??? Most definitely! I find it grotesquely ironic that about only 2 weeks before things kicked off in Iran Obama admitted that the US and the UK were behind the over throw of Mosaddeq in 1953! God, these people have a sick sense of humor! (Maddow highlighted this ('53, not the humor) on her show at least.)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2mBB4Dg7Qc

    Two trivial points from that vid. First; God that guy sucks up to ZBig even worse that Maddow! (Perhaps predictable; he is quite a big player after all! Bigger than Obama for one.) And secondly, just look at ZBig, just -look- at him! Like Rumsfeld he just oozes pure evil!

    Then there's the fact he is a Bilderberger. (Google it.)

    Finally, I recommend that you read his books, 'The Grand Chessboard' and 'The Technotronic Era.' Most illuminating!

    Why do I hate Zellicow? For the absolute travesty that was the 9/11 Commission Report. Here I recommend David Ray Griffin's book, 'The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions'. What did Maddow do?! She actually praised him for his role in it! Unbelievable! Yet at the some time so depressingly predictable...

    GrrrlRomeo's picture

    Solutions

    At least she's talking about *solutions* for ending the wars. It's not of much help to just be saying end it.

    But she doesn't want to run for public office, so there goes that idea. Unfortunately being civil during the debate comes off as "sucking up" to some people. And that's the side effect of having so many shows where people just shout over each other....people get used to it.

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    GrrrlRomeo's picture

    Brilliant Interview

    Everything she says makes sense to me. And I love her bit about the importance of coming out.

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    Jeannette's picture

    *Sigh*

    "On how she realized she was gay: "I just sort of arrived at it through rational deduction.""

    Is it possible to be in love with someone you've never met?

    LipstickIntellect's picture

    I loved that answer too. =]

    I loved that answer too. =]

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    Ashleigh's picture

    Wow!

    That is the best answer to that question I have ever heard. What a great way to describe one of MANY coming out journeys. It was the same for me! :)
    polkadotwings's picture

    I had just started getting

    I had just started getting into watching her show a couples months ago when they replayed the episodes at 2am, but then when Cablevision took away half my channels (I don't have a cable box and I guess with the switch to digital they had to be mean and try to get me to get one lol) msnbc happened to be one of them so now I can't watch anymore :( Luckily thoughmy mom said she'd get me a cable box for my birthday next month so then I can watch again :)

    lol sorry, I don't know why I just rambled about my cable issues haha...

    But anyway, my point was that I liked this interview and I like Rachel & I wish I could watch her show lol.

    GrrrlRomeo's picture

    It's all online for free

    All the episodes are online for free at http://rachel.msnbc.com and on Itunes for free.

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    polkadotwings's picture

    Thanks!

    Ahh, I didn't even know that lol. Thank you!
    Waiting in Canada's picture

    I just want to tear off

    I just want to tear off those glasses and kiss her on the lips! Smart is sooo sexy.
    Nona J.'s picture

    I Loved Every Minute...

    I wish this interview was longer. I think Rachel Maddow is absolutely brilliant.  I agree with everything she said. I hopes she gets an interview with Obama. I don't see his charm working on her. 

    " True enjoyment comes from activity of the mind and exercise of the body; the two are ever united" ~ Wilhelm von Humbolt

    RainbowSheep's picture

    I want a Rachel!

    Where would I get me a Rachel Maddow? She's awesome, I love everything about her. Smart girls are so sexy, it's unreal. And I agree with Nona, she'd do a great interview with Obama, with whom I am less enamoured every day.
    joubess's picture

    Try the gay-straight

    Try the gay-straight alliance at any good university with Ph.D. programs. and make sure you get to know all the grad students who are about to graduate. Or try the faculty if you want someone older than a grad student. There are a ton of brilliant lesbians out there. You just have to geek out to find us:)

    You can also try the ACLU and gay activist organizations. 

    dittybop's picture

    <3

    Quote:
    On how she realized she was gay: "I just sort of arrived at it through rational deduction."

     

    Haha I love it, I can totally relate.

    KayJ's picture

    She is wonderful.  My

    She is wonderful.  My husband thinks she's one of the coolest people ever, and would love to hang out with her.  I think the same.  Except, I also think she's amazingly hot.
    pancreas's picture

    Fantastic interview. She's

    Fantastic interview. She's such a great role model, as well as being so good at what she does.
    Tall Cool One's picture

    Rachel Rocks!

    She is amazingly articulate, with an awesome brain, AND a sense of humor.  What a potent combination.

    Her visible, intelligent, HOT - in a lesbian way - presence is a great statement for all women and for gay women in particular.  

     

    Rock on Rachel!

    thekappy's picture

    I'm often in awe that Rachel

    I'm often in awe that Rachel even exists at all!  An out butch lesbian who is radically progressive/liberal, sane, smart, hot, normal, articulate, likeable and did I mention hot & butch!  On TV?!  How did that happen?! People like that, people like us (I'm not saying I'm all those great things) are not allowed on television!  Not in prime time, on big networks. In the past that kind of voice was relegated to Cable Access & occasionally Phil Donahue.  My arm is metaphorically bright red from constantly metaphorically pinching myself as I watch her show. Amazing. It's a voice that is long overdue.  

    Praise be to whomever or whatever made that happen! 

    debjordan's picture

    is this really really happening??!

    I know you just expressed exactly how I feel, too. Like I did a few years ago when I realized that thousands of housewives all over the place are in love with Ellen. I can't freakin BELIEVE it, but I'm soooo happy.
    Melissa Hsu's picture

    she's a great example for

    she's a great example for our community and for women in general. she's a great role model and achiever. the perfect person to be dishing out her opinion in this tough world. its a great way to balance out all the pop culture and sometimes mundane things that we focus on in day to day life.
    1brightongirl's picture

    Wow

    I had to register just to post on how amaing Rachel is. Just awesome! i love that she's not just seriously clever, but calm and considered with it, and doesn't need to show off her intelligence by shouting others down.

    The other thing with strikes me as a Brit, is that there is no one on British TV that is allowed to be both intelligent, but also opinionated. I guess it's the one down side of the public subsidised media is that it has to be balanced, and that stiffles presenters giving their own views in a balanced way. There is a real gap over here for a show like Rachel's. 

     

    Anyway, thanks to AE for showing us over the pond what we're missing.

     

    And, of course....she's HOT!

    Clara's picture

    What are you talking about?

    What are you talking about? We have loads of smart and opinionated people on TV. Sometimes I see stuff and think RM would like it. We don't have any super famous popular lesbians like Rachel or Ellen but we have smart and opinonated ppl, unless your meant in one area specifically.

    Most of my fave BBC comedians for example are smart, and there's ppl who mix news and humour like Charlie Brooker etc, HIGNFY, Mock the Week (okay a bit less with the smart and more with the witty), I don't get it.. Did you meant solely news? I do agree news seems to be less opinon and different personalities and their shows and more just news. Maybe less biased but less fun to watch. And no crushes :(

    but yeah, very glad AE introducedme to Rachel, I know more about the US than the UK politics atm 'cus I am multi-tasking learning with crushing out by watching her show

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    planesmashup's picture

    *cooing&squelingnoise

    when she stammered over the word "radical" in talking about what needs to be done with ecnomic policiy...I ALMOST DIED RIGHT THERE. that was so goddamn cute!! SO GODDAMN CUTE.

    SAY IT RACHEL!

    Jay's picture

    Nerd power

    On how she realized she was gay: "I just sort of arrived at it through rational deduction."

    The socratic method as applied to sexual orientation. FANTASTIC.
    decoy's picture

    I am absolutely

    in love.
    jamlawgirl's picture

    God I love this woman soo

    God I love this woman soo much it's kind  of crazy.

    She's frickin amazing. I can't even type anymore.

    Thanks for posting this, Sarah

    jazz.june's picture

    I love the way she thinks before she speaks.

    Both because it gives her time to make her comments so brilliant and insightful, and because she just looks so damn cute when she's thinking. 

     

    Ohgod! Crush!! 

    joubess's picture

    Totally strange

    Do you know how rare it is for a woman to be on TV and be brilliant, and actually pause to think? Not to mention a lesbian and butch and doesn't look like any other news anchor or pundit on TV?

    She is indeed incredibly cute while she's thinking. Sigh...

    Banany's picture

    Aww. She really is just such

    Aww. She really is just such a refreshingly real human being. She's honest, I think that's the reason I like her the most. Charlie as well, I really admire how he seems to not have any bias on issues, he just asks intelligent questions. I totally feal better about myself too now, I came out in pretty much the exact same circumstance actually. I woke up one day and I just realised. Granted, I was 16 but it was my birthday the next month so pretty close. I was "closeted" for only about a month after I realised too. It didn't feal right to not come out even if I didn't have a girlfriend. But I totally have always kicked myself for not realising earlier. It seems like so long ago but its only been a year, just turned 18.
    Jeannette's picture

    Same here.

    I'm exactly the same on basically everything you just said.  Except I'm currently 20 instead of 18, haha :)
    Baby Honey Child's picture

    <3

    "Neat".

    Need I say more?

    NZNeep's picture

    Ok, you guys have had your

    Ok, you guys have had your turn. Can she come down and do New Zealand policy now? In other words, I can has Maddow?
    zephyr's picture

    The Map Room

    Enjoyed the interview.  Love the fact that she can go toe-to-toe with anyone intellectually.  I've watched Rose off and on since his show started, but not too much now.  Over time during the Bush Era I noticed he had a tendency to bulldoze over guests.  Rose seemed to swing more to the right which turned me off. He'd ask the interviewee a question and than not let them answer it.  He certainly can't do that with Rachel Maddow, and I think he knew better than to try it with her.

    Of all the tv news media personalities I respect her the most.  Her website is pretty cool too...love The Map Room.  It's nerd delight.

    joubess's picture

    Moment of Geek

    I love the new segment "Moment of Geek". I so resemble that segment.

    Soccergirl1023's picture

    Its true...

    I'm pretty sure that my brother (who is married and has two children) is in love with Rachel..haha shes soo smart, its amazing. i wish i was somewhat smart as she is. :D
    hot4bette's picture

    divine Ms M

    she is smart, sexy, cool...my kind of lesbian.
    Whitney's picture

    nervousness

    Rachel is normally fairly self-effacing in TV interviews and guest spots, but she seemed more nervous and awed than usual--I think she's a HUGE Charlie Rose fan, and was pretty amazed at the invitation to appear on his show. Her comment at the end and the fact that she dressed up in her usual sleek suit (rather than tee or polo shirt) show this.