Big
news from New Hampshire tonight: Hillary Clinton garnered
39% of the vote among Democrats, making her the first woman EVER to win a primary
in the United States. That's an amazing (and long-overdue) feat worth celebrating,
regardless of how you feel about Hillary, or whether you even plan to
vote for her (I'm torn, personally, between Hillary and Barack, for a variety of reasons too complicated to go into this late at night).

Barack Obama came in second with 34% of the vote, and John
Edwards came in third with 17%.
In the Republican camp, John McCain claimed victory with 37%
of the vote, beating out Mitt Romney (32%) and Mike
Huckabee (11%).
The folks over at the LGBT political blog VisibleVote08.com
(owned by Logo) liveblogged the New Hampshire primaries tonight. (They added
over 50 posts in the last few hours! Geez, and I feel like a triathlete when
I can manage a single blog post covering the Golden Globes Emmys.) Here
are some of the more entertaining highlights from their coverage — click
on the headline to read the full blog post:
Stunned:
The Clinton campaign is stunned. The media is stunned. The pollsters are
stunned. Women went hard for Hillary - and she won New Hampshire.
Hillary:
youth and vigor — and that jacket!:
For Hillary Clinton’s victory speech tonight, she replaced the hoary
crew she had standing behind her in Iowa (Madeleine Albright, Wesley Clark,
other old folks) with fresh-scrubbed young college kids (she was speaking
on the campus of Southern New Hampshire University, after all). Good move!
She looked enthused and vibrant, and buoyed by the youthful energy backing
her up. “I found my own voice,” she said, thanks to the people
of New Hampshire...
It was a jazzed, good speech. Upbeat and forward-looking! And for her exit
music? Tom Petty’s “American Girl.” Ha! Nice choice…
(Even if it does remind me of Silence of the Lambs.)
Obama
came off as more gracious:
This is the type of political yakking I despise but I have to say it: I think
Obama was more gracious in his speech than Clinton. Granted maybe the loser
always has to show more class (unless you are Alan Keyes), but Clinton’s
speech seemed to lack the humility that Obama’s had. He made it about
the voters. She made it about her website.
McCain's
Gracious Victory:
I’m a devout Democrat, and I’m excited about our three leading
Democratic candidates. But I have to say, for a Republican, John McCain doesn’t
make me gag. Just now as he delivered his victory speech he was gracious and
stressed the role of community service as the most important duty of a politician.
He even commended his fellow Presidential hopefuls, including the Democrats,
for fighting the good fight. Am I deluded? And yes, I know he’s very,
very old. But is he possibly a Republican candidate, agree with him or not,
with — gasp — integrity?
Elizabeth
Edwards Concedes
Well, she introduces her husband’s concession, saying that they were
going to stay in it and fight step by step.
Rudy Giuliani: Hi New Hampshire! Bye New Hampshire!
New Hampshire’s 4th place GOP-er, Mayor Rudy, just chatted for the
cameras and the folks at his HQ in Manchester, NH. He congratulated tonight’s
winners (McCain for the Repubs, who he didn’t name) and spouted some
gung-ho rhetoric. “This is just the beginning” he’s promising
of his campaign. “Think of it as the kickoff of what’s going to
be a very long and tough game… But by the end it’s clear I’m
going to be the nominee of the party.” Um, really?
Ron Paul won't stop talking
Did Ron Paul pop an Adderall before hitting the stage? I’m not sure if he’s declaring victory or conceding, or if he even knows where he is. For someone who wants the government to stay out of my life, he’s sure taking up enough of it tonight. Ack! Anybody got a tranquilizer? Blow-darts?
What are your thoughts about the NH primary? Reactions? Favorite moments? Discuss!
HILLARY
Now that Hillary's the first woman to win a primary in the United States, let's keep our fingers crossed and hope that she becomes the first woman to be President of the United States!
Hell, lets do more than keep our fingers crossed.. get out there and vote people. No bitching allowed if you don't vote! GO HILLARY!
Bravo Hillary !!!
FOR THE ONE WHO DOSNT LIVE IN AMERICA,THAT WOULD BE ME, I THINK THAT WHAT HILLARY ACCOMPLISHED IS A BIG STEP IN WOMEN'S POLITIC, AND EVEN IF SHE DOSN'T WIN AS A PRESIDENT,AT THE END SHE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT..BUT WHAT I AM MOST SURPRISED IS THAT AMERICANS ARE ''OPEN '' AS A NATION, BUT I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND WHY DONT THEY APPROVED GAY MARRIAGE.LOOK AT CANADA OR ENGLAND, EVEN IN CZECH REPUBLIC YOU CAN HAVE GAY MARRIAGE.. THAT IS WHY I DONT UNDERSTAND...
BUT BRAVO HILLARY... YOU ARE WRITING THE HISTORY WITH THIS ELECTIONS...
I'm sorry but...
I'm supporting Barack Obama all the way.
I know that Hilary winning the New Hampshire primary is a monumental event but Barack has a stronger message. As a young American, I look to politicians to be able to hear what I have to say and so far, Obama has been the best candidate for the youth of the United States. He knows that the youth of this nation can make a difference in this election and he's listening to what we have to say.
I hear people complain about wanting change and the only way change can happen is by voting for Barack Obama.
VOTE BARACK OBAMA IN 2008!
"Women went hard for
"Women went hard for Hillary"
Really? REALLY? I laughed, but only because I'm thirteen.
...that's what she said.
Approach to gay rights
"could someone give me a
"could someone give me a quick rundown of the various candidates' history and current approach to gay marriage / civil partnership?"
As with everything else, Clinton's and Obama's views are identical:
Civil unions - yeay, Gay marriage - nay
In other words, the middle ground they think will pass muster with the most voters; though look for it to dash to the right a bit once the actual election campaigning starts (probably something alogn the lines of "Civil unions - mumble...").
I am not sure about the inconsequential Democrats. With the Republicans, it's, of course: "Gay anything makes Baby Jesus cry." Except for Ron Paul, he believes that it's for the states to decide that gay anything make Baby Jesus cry.
I will be absolutely shocked if anyone will actually try to do anything on this front once in office, one way or the other.
I wonder if I come off as jaded with American politics...
Semantics, my !@^%#
Let's not forget the HRC/Logo debate. Obama regarded his argument with the gay community over same-sex marriage as "semantics," which isn't always what we want to hear. He also could not (or would not) see the difference between a marriage and a civil union. Not to mention the fact that he was quick to argue with those comparing gay rights to the civil rights of African Americans, citing Jim Crow laws as the ultimate example.
Obama is all about hope, but it comes with a pretty significant disclaimer, and we're certainly a part of it.
--
“In a letter to Dear Abby a reader complained that a gay couple was moving in across the street and wanted to know what he could do to improve the quality of the neighborhood. Her suggestion - 'You could move.'”
Theres one big difference
Thanks
You don't think Clinton is
--
“In a letter to Dear Abby a reader complained that a gay couple was moving in across the street and wanted to know what he could do to improve the quality of the neighborhood. Her suggestion - 'You could move.'”
Go Hillary!!
Despite what you think about Hillary, it is an awesome achievement and she should be commended for it. I'm not sure she will win the nomination, but she does deserve to win a couple of states for all the effort for she put in. Her tears showed her human side yesterday and reminded people that there's more to her than meets the eye.
I'm glad people haven't written her off yet. She came one better than her husband in NH and who knows where she could go from here.
Hillary!
Honestly, her Iowa concession speech was far more gracious than Obama's. His sounded more like he took his victory speech and added congrats to Hillary. That of course, may be because that was all he had prepared.
While I don't consider myself an "establishment" supporter, I cant see someone with only one year of public service ( and another year in office running for President) being the President. I love his message of hope and would certainly welcome him as a VP for any ticket. You can learn without having to directly respond to natural disasters and military issues.
Many of his supporters have likened him to JFK, but for the record JFK served 12 years in congress as well as in the armed forces in addition to his personality quotient.
I wonder if when he ran for office in his home State if he promised to work on issues for them and then dropped them after a year to shoot for President. Not accusing, just wondering because I have heard NOTHING about his qualifying senate seat. It would have been wonderful to have a complete term to show he can put up with the stress public service has.
The other thing that bothers me is his position of "gathering the greatest minds" to advise him and guide him through things he may have vision for but no idea how to implement. Certainly every President relies on advisors but to have people directly guiding him on subject he doesnt know or yet understand scares me. They arent subject to an election and we may or may not like who he picks. Or like in this current administration, mistakes are blamed on advisors and the cabinet becomes a revolving door. Again, all of which we have no say in. If he had more experience or more of a voting record to examine, that would be less of an issue.
I cant STAND John Edweirds. I'd vote for Huckabee first.
I have until Febuary 5th though, and if Obama can show some substance of his own on issues he has a chance to earn my vote.
Senator Obama was an IL
Senator Obama was an IL State Senator for 8 years prior to his current elected position. And, yes, he continues to work on issues here in IL.
Agreed
Obama actually has more elective experience than Hillary Clinton, given his service in Illinois. And if you're saying public service...well, you have to count his days as a community organizer and civil rights attorney, before he got into politics. Hillary Clinton may still have more years of public service (I'd hope so, she's older than him), but to say he only has one year of public service is erroneous (even if you're counting years of Senate service, he had nearly two before he opted to run for President).
Moreover, though, it's always been clear to me that Obama's someone responding to the times, not someone that's overly ambitious and decided to run for Senate right out of the gate. Don't misunderstand me--I think he's had Presidential ambitions for a while, maybe since kindergarten--but I don't think he or the people around him anticipated running this early. But he gave that incredible speech at the DNC in 2004 and his star just took off...he raised more money for Democratic candidates in 2006 than almost anyone and wherever he went to campaign for other candidates, crowds were overflowing.
The man got dealt a straight flush, so to speak. You can't put that hand down. He had to run.
Funny thing about Obama's time in the Senate, though...before Hillary announced she was running for Senate in New York, she talked to the White House political team. At the time, they urged her against running--mainly because she'd never lived in New York and there would, undoubtedly, be carpetbagger criticisms. They urged her, at the time, to wait a few years and return to the state in which she grew up, Illinois, and run for the Senate there.
If she'd done that, she'd be the Democratic nominee for President right now...instead she's in a dog fight.
I'm so happy that she won!!
I'm so happy that she won!! I wish her all the best in the other states.
Did you guys see the two guys who held up the sign "Iron my shirts" at her headquarter ?
As a Brit, obviously I
As a Brit, obviously I don't actually have to/get to choose a candidate, but, whatever my political thoughts (after all, who you guys eventually end up with in the White House does affect us all), as a feminist, I really am thrilled by this historical moment (also as a feminist, I believe it shouldn't have taken until now, but this is true of all steps toward equality).
That's great news
and long-overdue indeed.
Lies, damned lies...
We love ya Sarah! Hillary took the primary with 39% including the independent voters. She got 46% among women, according to an exit poll, and she did get 45% among registered Democrats, but i'm not sure Hills fans should be advertising her comparative unpopularity among the independents. And let's just take a moment to reflect that she took only 29% of male votes.
Now get off the fence - otherwise how can the candidates throw you under the bus? So picky, so picky.
Thanks for catching that!
Get in
Uh ... no
As someone who lived through Prime Minister Thatcher's tenure, I feel obliged to offer the following reminders:
Miners' srike, poll tax, mass unemployment, Clause 28, no support for women whatsoever ... the list goes on.
Some great good? Not so much.
Margaret Thatcher was a
Good example of a bad example
Thatcher is a good example how a woman in charge is not necessarily a good thing.
I am not disputing she's a great person or did her job well. But she made a lot of very bad decisions.
whitelabcoat
Please finish my quote at least.
I didn't say she did all good. I feel as though you read 'some great good' then completely stopped reading my post.
Sorry
That statement
the first woman EVER to win a primary in the United States
That statement threw me back in my chair when I read it! It was a jubulient moment.
Honestly
After the incident on Monday, I stepped back for a second and thought about whether I'd be happy about this moment...if I could put aside my allegiances to other candidates to celebrate a woman accomplishing this feat (something her husband couldn't do, by the way). I thought, yeah, maybe I could...
But then, on Tuesday--way before the polls have closed and any results are in (sans those weird towns in NH that vote at midnight)--a news story from the Boston Globe crosses my desk. According to the report, at a campaign stop in NH, she suggested that there could be a terrorist attack on inauguration day. Comparing it to when Gordon Brown became PM in England, she said: "I don't think it was by accident that Al Qaeda decided to test the new prime minister."
And then, my reaction goes from maybe I could to are you f'n kidding me to oh, hell naw. Are we really back at this again? Scaring people into voting for you? It was wrong when Bush did it, it's wrong when Guiliani does it and it's wrong now.
She doesn't need to do this. She's brilliant and experienced and there's a great rationale to be offered that she should be the next President of the United States. She doesn't have to do this.
It was at that moment, that any affection and pride I thought I might have for a Clinton victory went completely out the window.
Congrats Hillary!
I 'm still undecided to who I should vote for. I'm from Arkansas and I know Hillary's views quite well. I know her message,stance,cause,etc. She is the real deal folks. She actually cares and contribute so much even when she was Governess and Lady of the White House. I am humbled to see her break out onto her own and makin' it w/o Bill's influence. Hillary is super smart and has never gotten a chance to shine. Last night's win proves she is a shinning star. It also proves womyn really want change. They want a very,very smart woman to sit on the throne in the White house. I just hope she picks her running mate wisely. I am really hoping- it's oh my goddess -(the first female governor of one of the states in the Northwest or up north somewhere). Sorry,I can't remember names to well. Her running mate needs to match her essence yet compliment it. I'm happy for you Hillary! You deserved that win!
I'm not a Hillary supporter,
Go Edwards!
Glad to see another Edwards supporter here.
Here's hoping he takes SC.
I'm actually more interested in this primary season already than any other I've followed. It's looking like more than 5% of the population is actually going to have their votes matter!
Barack Obama
I'm happy that there is A WOMAN who won a primary in the United States.
Although I'm Dutch and live in the Netherlands I follow the presidential race. And although I'm a feminist (who don't hate men), I'm for Barack Obama. I don't think Hillary Clinton can change America because she has experience and knows how it works in the White House (it's all gonna be the same, like with Bill Clinton, and although he did great things, it isn't what America needs right now). And I didn't like that she had "tears" in the eyes when held that speech in New Hampshire before the voting. You've to rule with your heart, but don't mess personal things with political ones. What I also don't like is that with H.Clinton, I've the feeling that everything is forced with her and not spontaneous.
I like Obama, because he's young, spontaneous, ambitious, can give good speeches, seems sincere, have worked in difficult neighbourhoods although he could've earn a lot of money and he wants to breng people together and not the other way around.
Vote OBAMA 2008
Surprise!
Hillary!
Woohoo!
Hillary
I have a number of problems with Obama but his South Carolina Gospel Tour in which he invited Donnie McClurkin to headline was the clincher for me. For those who do not know, Donnie McClurkin is an outspoken "ex-gay" who says he was cured of homosexuality by prayer and who has stated that homosexuality is a curse as well as a choice. Obama made a statement that he 'strongly disagreed' with his McClurkin's stance -- Um, so why was he still the headliner for the Southern Gospel tour thing...? Oh, and McClurkin did not stray away from addressing homosexuality on the tour itself from what I have heard.
Someone also already mentioned the Logo Debates and Obama's wishy-washy answers.
Between Obama and Clinton, I feel Clinton is the best choice as far as social and international issues are concerned. Hillary has also has strong backing from strong political and military figures -- That does a bit more for me than having Oprah on my candidate's side. :)
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Yeah, I was really miffed
Backing
the media talking heads who drank the Barack Kool
LOL!
I am enjoying watching the media squirm too. Funny though when it comes to blame as to what happened and what went wrong and why all the polls were off...they are over-analyzing the candidates every move when they should be taking a look in the mirror.
The voters of NH should be proud that they showed the media, the candidates and the rest of the country that they will not be told who they are going to vote for...before they vote...by the 5th estate.
I am more inspired by the NH voters then the candidates...so much so that I just might join a political party before this week is out...just so I can vote in my state's primary on Super Tuesday. :)
I'm a proud Hillary
I wish I had a say
I LOVE BARACK OBAMA!!
I'm not American, so I guess it doesn't matter as much what I think.
But I'm reading Barack Obama's 'the audacity of hope' and it is such an inspiring book. Not only does he know what it's like to live in a country like America and being considered a racial minority, he is also honest and -though naively hopeful- never ridiculous with his passionate ideas of change, he grabs the problems by the root and is eagerly ambitioned to solve them accurately; he is the only one who actually mentioned homosexuality and addresses the LGBT community in his speeches (I don't think Hillary ever did that). He was the first one who accepted the LGBT invitation to answer questions about our concerns (Hillary was the last one). He personalizes a minority himself and has an urge to see a change in matters of discrimination, intolerace and inequality (Hillary Clinton has not).
I think he would make a fabulous leader because his will to be president is not a result of money, nepotism, egomania or power-seeking. He is intelligent and ambitious and –so it seems- not corrupted to the extent of incredibility.
So.. as you can tell, I feel strongly and passionately about the future of America and I can’t wait to find out who it’s gonna be.
I'm not playing devil's advocate...
"He was the first one who accepted the LGBT invitation to answer questions about our concerns (Hillary was the last one)."
Actually, though Obama went first and Hillary went last, it was stated that the candidates were given the option to choose their time slots according to how they responded. So Hillary may very well have responded second, and chose to go last. Save the best for last mentality?
Also, even if Hillary did respond last, what exactly does that mean? It can mean that she was in the bathroom when they called, and she thought it appropriate to wait until after she was done to return their call. It doesn't mean that she hates or likes us less, and there's no need for insinuation.
In response to your accusation that Clinton doesn't mention homosexuality or addresses the gay community (though you same Obama does), I think you need to do some Clinton research. Less than a year ago, Clinton gave a speech to the HRC voicing her support, her co-sponsorship of the domestic partnership benefits and obligations act, was forward in her belief that we should not have to deal with all the troubles we do when trying to adopt, and ultimately pissing off many of the pro-family activist groups.
This wasn't the first time, or the last time. Hillary's roommate and best friend in college was a lesbian, one who certainly opened her eyes to our world and sits on the steering committee called "LGBT Americans for Hillary." Christine Quinn is another one of the amazing people who sits on the committee. Quinn said this about Clinton: "There is no one else in this race who will fight harder for the LGBT community."
--
“In a letter to Dear Abby a reader complained that a gay couple was moving in across the street and wanted to know what he could do to improve the quality of the neighborhood. Her suggestion - 'You could move.'”
Clarification
I think you misunderstood the point.
The point wasn't that Hillary Clinton never gives speeches addressing the gay community; it's that Obama's the only candidate who talks about the gay community consistently in front of people who aren't gay.
Agree or disagree with his positions, but you have to give credit to Obama for breaking the mold of "preaching to the choir" politicians. It's "easy" to go to the HRC and advocate for equality for the LGBT community, but will you do it in socially reprehesive black churches in South Carolina? It's great to talk to the Sierra Club about increasing fuel efficiency standards, but would you make the same speech in front of Detroit automakers? Obama has and he's to be lauded for it.
I didn't misunderstand the
I agree with you. I think
I agree with you. I think
I agree with you. I think
Can Mr. Obama get to Washington?
I just can't get excited about Clinton's win in New Hampshire, although I understand the historical significance. There is still a long way to go so anyone who counted her out or as the underdog has been misinformed.
I don't understand the appeal that the Clinton's have in this country. I voted for Bill in 1996 because I was 18 and didn't know any better. I don't care how much Hilary laughs, smiles, cries, etc. she won't get my vote.
As far as the logo debates go, most of the candidates have the same position on gay marriage. Some, like Clinton, know what not to say when making that statement to a room full of gays and lesbians. True, she's been around for a while, which is exactly why I won't vote for her. She's playing politics.
I would much rather vote for someone who hasn't been hardened or bought by Washington. I'm not sure that Obama will get my vote but he is in many ways this generations John Kennedy. Despite what many may think Obama has served on the Illinois State Senate and in the U.S. Senate for 11 years now. When Kennedy was nominated, he had served 14 combined years in the House and Senate. I don't know about the rest of you but I think it's time for a shake up in Washington.
I just decided this morning
its obvious we have great candidates
...to see how many supporters there are on both sides of the Obama vs. Clinton argument. Lets recognize that they both have strengths and weaknesses depending on which group that you're looking at. Neither is trying to put themselves forward as the be-all and end-all saviour of the American citizenry - at least not yet!
I keep reading all this stuff about how much experience Clinton has vs. nil for Obama...or that he has no substance behind what he says, etc. I don't know which of Clinton's speeches you're thinking about, nor Edwards either for that matter - but none of them get into the details on the $'s and cents that will support their stances; or the project plan with a SWOT analysis for their various plans. They can't do that at a 30min or 1hr rally.
You have to go to their websites, call into their candidate support offices, talk to their representatives to find out the details. When they are standing up giving a speech at the primaries, they are trying to show you their character; touch on some of their views and really get you more in touch with who they are as a person. Thats pretty much it. So do your homework and look into all of them. Really, its about the sales pitch at this level. You're seeing the car that you are thinking about purchasing. You'd still have to do your research about the quality, etc., go for a test-drive, and then make your decision.
And by the way, the number for Obama reported in Sarah's initial blog is incorrect - Obama actually 36% vs. Clintons 39% of the popular vote. Note that there is another discussion on how many actual delegates that they each got. There is a CNN estimate here. Disclaimer - I usually find that I have to double and triple check any information that I get from the commercial news sources such as CNN so do your own research to back it up!
Here's a cheat sheet on the candidates and issues
here's a web site that has a cheat sheet on the candidates issues/stances on them: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.abortion.html
Okay, I don't understand the whole "Obama is cool" thing. I don't think it's very cool at all that he went across S. Carolina with McClurkin who is clearly against homosexual rights (see Harpy's post). I guess I'm just concerned that the momentum that Obama has with the young people isn't based on fact but on the 'cool kid factor'.
Hope the cheat sheet helps :)
GO HILLARY!! (since we can't have Kucinich ;>)