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Live Blogging Logo's "Visible Vote," Part 1: Barack Obama

I've just finished watching Logo's Visible Vote 08, and though politics doesn't normally fall within the scope of AfterEllen.com's coverage, one could argue that politics provides some of the most cutthroat entertainment possible. While watching the presidential forum, I live-blogged my thoughts about it. Here they are, lightly edited:

The forum opens to reveal a somewhat austere, PBS-like stage, with a woman seated in the middle of the stage in a boxy armchair; it's journalist Margaret Carlson. On her right are three people on a couch: Joe Solmonese (president of the Human Rights Campaign), Melissa Etheridge and Jonathan Capehart (editorial writer from the Washington Post). On stage right is an empty chair where the Democratic presidential candidates will sit, one after the other.

Margaret Carlson announces that she's "on special assignment for Logo." She seems to stumble a bit on the words "lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender." Not familiar much with that acronym, huh, Margaret?

Hey — didn't they know I was available to moderate this? I'm just sitting on my couch live-blogging the darn thing. I could've easily flown down to L.A. Plus, I can say "LGBT" in my sleep, I swear!

The opening credits appear with lots of important-sounding music and long words flashing across the screen.

Margaret, who seems to have a bit of a problem reading the teleprompter, tells us that over the next two hours all the Democratic presidential candidates will be speaking in "the order of their confirmation to attend the forum." At first I think this is demented (what about alphabetical order?) but then I see the reason: It means that Barack Obama goes first, and Hillary Clinton goes last.

Barack comes into the studio shaking hands like a rock star — oh, there's Alec Mapa. And hey, Neil Patrick Harris! And Jane Lynch is there too!

After shaking everybody's hands, Obama sits in the vacant seat. Joe Solmonese asks the first question: What place does the church have in government-sanctioned civil marriages? I settle in for a long night of questions and vague non-answers about gay marriage.

Barack quickly goes into a riff on how as a black guy named Barack Obama, he knows how it feels to be on the outside. Ya know, as an Asian American woman, I know that feeling too. Hey, we already have something in common! Too bad it's not support for gay marriage.

He talks about how he is a supporter of a "strong version" of civil unions, and then finally winds his way back to the church question: He doesn't think churches should be involved in the legal rights conferred by the state, but each church should make their own choices about whether they'll do religious marriages for gay couples. Duh.

Joe asks Barack how he would have voted on the issue of civil marriage if it came up when he was an Illinois state senator. Barack thinks we should "disentangle" the word "marriage" from the civil rights that are given to, um, married couples. He said he'd support a civil union that would provide all the benefits that are part of a legally sanctioned marriage.

Joe keeps pushing: "Can you see how, to our community, that comes across as separate but equal?"

Barack talks about how his parents, who got married in 1961, wouldn't have been allowed to get married in several states in the South, so he understands the issue. But he says if he were advising the civil rights movement in 1961, he would say it's more important to focus on the various legal rights instead. He says that he's "sympathetic" to those who are troubled by this. Um, "troubled"? How about frustrated and pissed off?

Margaret steps in and says she's been working with "the Logo people" for a "couple days" so she has an idea of "what troubles them." Uh, really? A couple days! That's great. Glad "the Logo people" made such an impression on you. I can't stop my eyes from rolling.

On the other hand, she does say bluntly to Barack, "You got to get married and I got to be married, but Joe doesn't get to be married, and that really does mean that it's a lesser thing."

"Semantics may be important to some," Barack says. He seems a little defensive and impatient. You're losing me, Barack. Show some compassion. I don't even believe in marriage, but I get why gay people want it.

Melissa Etheridge then gets to ask a question, but first she says she's incredibly humbled to be here. She says she's "an incredibly privileged rock star" — one who has donned dapper, gold-rimmed glasses for this event! She says she's grateful to represent her community. She's so smiley I can't help cheering for her. Go Melissa! Love the glasses!

She asks Barack what he will do to bring this country together if he's elected president. He goes into this whole spiel about how he got into politics because he doesn't like people looking down on others. He mentions some "universal truths" about the "core decency" of human beings, and admits that the Washington press corps sometimes rolls their eyes at his "hope-monger" believes. Basically Obama's getting all Pollyanna on us. Strangely, I am unmoved.

Melissa gives a little speech about how she grew up in the Midwest believing that America's a great country and everyone's created qual. She says, "My creator made me what I am; I believe that," and people in the audience applaud. She encourages him to be the person to make the change. I feel inspired. Hey Melissa, maybe you should write a song about it! Oh wait. You did.

I'm momentarily distracted by noticing Barack's impeccably starched cuffs. He's dressed pretty well actually — a black suit with a light blue tie patterned with dots. His cuffs don't have noticeably flashy cufflinks, but I don't think those are regular buttons.

Jonathan Capeheart asks how Obama's going to talk to the black community about homophobia in the black community. Barack says that he has already talked to the black community about it (defensive maybe?) and he will continue to bring it up even in locations where the conversation isn't as welcome as it is at the Visible Vote forum.

Then Jonathan asks pointedly, "How can you run as a candidate of change when your stance on same-sex marriage is decidedly old school?" The audience kind of goes "ooh," and Jonathan gets big points.

Obama says, "Oh, come now." Then goes into how he has a track record of working on these issues, but somehow I'm not convinced. I think the "Oh, come now" approach did not work for me; it sounded like he was brushing off the question as ridiculous, when it's quite important.

Margaret asks Barack if he would put the fight for gay rights on a par with the civil rights movement. Obama says he is cautious about getting into comparisons of vicimology, and says that the issues gay people face today are different than the issues African Ameican faced under Jim Crow, but that doesn't mean there aren't parallels. I think that's about the best answer to that question I've heard, actually.

Apparently then they run out of time for the viewer-generated question, but they give Barack 30 seconds to sum up. He launches into a stump speech and I zone out ... condom distribution ... AIDS ... courage ... I appreciate your time.

I gotta say, Margaret Carlson seems to have a bit of a crush on him. He waves to everybody and then walks off the front of the stage.

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  • browne's picture

    "Semantics may be important

    "Semantics may be important to some," Barack says.

    Someone should have pointed out that semantics must be important to him, and to all the other people who want to withhold the WORD "marriage" from same-sex couples - otherwise why are they withholding it???

    I've got to say, this debate basically sounds like the frustrating waste of time I thought it would be. I wish Edwards, Obama and Clinton could just face the audience, and say "Look, even though we know it doesn't threaten the family, we can't say we support gay marriage, because the majority of the American electorate currently doesn't, and we won't get elected. Nothing you say on that tonight is going to change our minds. Thank you, and good night" instead of all this pointless game playing.

    I will pretty much inevitably wind up voting for a Democratic candidate, because they are bound to be better than the Republicans on gay issues... but listening to all their ducking and weaving and bullshitting on this issue just makes me dislike them, and makes me feel like I want to throw my vote away on an independent candidate who does support same sex marriage. I won't, though.

    GrrrlRomeo's picture

    Why Is He Popular?

    I don't think he did well here at all and I don't know why he's in the lead on the Logo site. Just remember this forum was just for the Primary campaign to nominate a Democratic candidate. We're not voting against Republicans yet, therefore we don't have to give in yet.

    What Semantics really mean is a major headache. Civil Unions is just red tape. It will cause lots of confusion and extra paper work and it's not worth it to have it separate from Marriage. Just think of how many forms will have to be changed to include check boxes for Civil Union...and the anger we'll feel when we get a form and it's not on there. Tax forms, health care forms, forms at the dentist, employment applications, college financial aid forms, blah blah blah.

    Which raises another issue, having separate Civil Union and Married boxes on forms is basically like having boxes on a form to say you're gay or straight. Some people are okay with that...but some wouldn't be when applying for a new job.

    pecola's picture

    Eh.

    Barack says that he has already talked to the black community about it (defensive maybe?)

    Perhaps a little defensive, but deservingly so, I thought...the question was a little misplaced (particularly if you've watched other debates). Politicians who step out in front of a crowd and deliver a message that the audience might find hostile on a regular basis, like to be acknowledged for that. Howard Dean reacted the same way when he was attacked on the race issue back in 2003/2004 (over the lack of racial diversity in his Cabinet in Vermont)--while other candidates saved their talk of racial issues for black churches in South Carolina, he said he talked about it everywhere he went.

    I thought Obama's questioning was the weakest of the night. Maybe just because he was first...I dunno.

    Peachblossom720's picture

    Hmm,

    I wonder why was he the only one who was asked about speaking against homophobia.  It would seem that with people like Dobson, Phelps, Robertson, and too many politicians to count actively bashing gay people, that that would be a good topic to explore.

    I also wish they would have asked the candidates, since we already know they are against marriage for gay people, why are they against it, and if they feel that marriage is a civil rights issue, and if not why not.

    Luckycharm808's picture

    That's why

    i hate politics! Dont get me wrong but i do listen and i did watch last nights forum. But as usual they push other issues and ignore gay rights marriage! Come on this is a joke, we will be fighting for gay marriage rights for a long time! And as for obama, i dont think he impressed me at all.
    Sporty Spice's picture

    Same old, same old...

    Thought that was Jane Lynch in the audience! Did anyone else notice that she almost never joined in when a candidate got applause? She won't just clap for anybody! I like a woman who can be hard to please...

    Obama was pretty white bread, pun intended. He was asked some pointed questions, unlike some of the other candidates (was Kucinich asked even one question, really? He was basically allowed to riff like it was one big love-fest, and when he was on stage, it was). While Obama was asked some meaty questions, he had at the ready the usual stock answers, yadda, yadda, yadda. He didn't say anything I haven't already heard, and expected him to say.

    The guy is attractive and charismatic, though, you have to give him that. Would I vote for him? If he's the nominee I probably would, but, as is usually the case on election day, I wind up voting for who repels me the least.