"Guiding Light" 9/18 mini-cap: All's well that ends well

The finale was one major helping of lame!  Yeah I said it, I think I'll start watching the first three seasons of Bad Girls now.

Thanks for the hysterical and snarky recaps, they shall be missed.

"but if they ever have a hand holding or a forehead bumping competition, they will wipe the floor with these amateurs." LOL

Thanks for all the laughs m. Dawson! I have enjoyed all of your GL recaps, they will be missed.

I love Otalia and I love your recaps! I wish you had recapped them when they were still doing their pre WoD dance.

Btw, reading NC-17 Otalia fanfic helps taking the edge off the sexual frustration ;) Just saying :P

these are two experienced women, and lust is lust. It’s the same old bike, just get on and ride.

Thanks for all the great recaps. They have been part of what made Otalia such a great ride,even though CBS put on the brakes for the last part of the Otalia story #FUCBS !

And now @crystalchappell (who aims to keep the spirit of Otalia alive, as it physically should have been on venicetheseries) needs some help on the tweeterwall competition for Ulimate World Ms Twitter. You can vote repeatedly - about every 10 - 20 minutes

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May your great recaps live on for VENICE!

I haven't really watched the show, but I've LOVED the recaps.  This one was the best by far. Pure genius.

And I want to know, did Olivia start with the thumb ring before she came out, or was it afterwards?  Because if she had it before it's no real surprise she's ended up with a woman. ;)

As a huge Otalia fan, I will say this, the finale was not just for us Otalia fans, it was for all the fans of the show - some of whom have been watching this for over 30 years in some cases. They gave tribute to old characters, new characters, wrapped up as many storylines as were humanly possible in one hour.

As much as we wanted to see more Otalia, to see intimacy, closeness, to see them have more screen time... I feel for other "shipperers" ... who've been waiting for their couple to get a chance to reunite for a long time. Reva & Josh... that was a long time coming and I'm really happy they got their happy ending just like Otalia.

So no, it was not lame in my opinion. It was a good effort to close up 72 years of history in an hour. 

Would have I liked to have seen the girls kiss? Absolutely, but I'm thinking it was not about the writing or time, they had plenty of opportunity to kiss but for some reason weren't allowed to. I don't think it was the writers' fault. It was either P&G or CBS or both that put the kibosh on it. It would have been as simple as replacing one of their signature "head bumps" with a kiss and not take up more screen time than that. So clearly, it was up to TPTB and they decided not to give us what we wanted. I choose to blame CBS, not the writers, but that's just me.

Still, I am happy that Otalia got back together and were happy in the end. They can live on in the land of fan fiction from now on and I'm happy with that.

Goodbye Guiding Light and Otalia, welcome Venice! 

I'm crying right now because I just saw the end of Otalia, the greatest lesbian love story I've ever seen in my life on TV or in the movies.

I AM ALSO CRYING BECAUSE:

--CBS and GLs owner and sponsor, P & G, wouldn't let this couple kiss yet allowed these two women to kiss and frak members of the opposite sense. (And let every other hetrosexual cast member kiss and frak each day.)

---just about everyone on GL got MARRIED this week and KISSED but Otalia, so much so, I felt a deep rage.

---Otalia was the most touching, tender and romantic lesbian storyline I've ever seen in my life but I know that it could have been so much better had the powers in charge stopped repressing the natural progression and expression of the Otalia storyline.

---I don't have hope much will change for gays in America for years to come regarding seeing originally scripted TV and movies that positively portrays women in love, who are mentally healthy, romantic and sexual beings.

I'm so crushed right now that I'm going to take a nap (even though its 3:30 in the afternoon) because I'm simply overwrought with despair over the end of Otalia and what should have been .... <<SOBBING INCONSOLABLY>>> 

I think this may have been the funniest recap yet. As for the sexual frustration, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that this storyline was the biggest clit tease in the history of the universe.

I so like the way you think.

I'm glad that GL and Otalia are over. I think the way this couple was treated proved that GL was not ready to move into the 21st century, and it was time for it to go.  I wouldn't take back watching, because by some miracle the first part of the storyline was really good, and I wouldn't want to not know the character of Olivia. I just wish I had started watching after Mr. Hyde had taken the reigns so I would have known to keep my expectations low and wouldn't have been so horribly disappointed.

Crystal Chappell had a lot to do with the hotness & success of Otalia.  She always supports lesbians & is bringing us VENICE so we can get the kissage an intimacy that Otalia lacks. Support her now.  Help spread the word about CC, VENICE & the way lesbians are under-represented on TV.  Vote for

@crystalchappell

repeatedly - every 10-20 minutes.

as Ms Twitter World

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Absolutely spot on commentary. What a load of bullshit that two grown women, one with a very well developed sexual drive and the other a healthy young woman, would fear sexual intimacy.Please we're not that naive. I agree, in my mind Otalia were touring SF basking in the shine of afterglow (postcoital). It's not called the farmhouse of love for nothing.Ellen Wheeler's shameful interview was full of obfuscation and just plain dumb.Yes, she wished that the show could go on so that Otalia's relationship could develop and change? What? So is Ellen Wheeler, the director, the real censor? Or was it the suits at P&G and CBS? Wow, Ms Wheeler is just as guilty as Frank and Rafe for infantilizing Natalia (and Otalia).

Good.

Be alert.  The world needs more lerts.

you really made me laugh this time

Doris late for picking up her girl at E. school LOL

Flake or Blank LOL

So with you on the afterglow and joined at the hip thing

Fuck i didn't see the dancing, but didn't miss anything D and F (what am i missing here?)

And ooh yeh there was a kiss there BUT WE WERE NOT ALOUD TO SEE IT!!!!!!  Someone called cut to soon FUCBS

Love to here your top 10, don't care for 11 and al other billion posibilities

Your recaps were GOOD oh no they strike that they're BRILLIANT!!!! THANX

Yeah, okay.  I spent way too many of my office hours posting long rants on boards, including AE.  And I would pretty much repeat what other's have said already.  So I will just say thank you to m. dawson and other fans, youtube uploaders and moderators for all their efforts.  it wasn't easy watching our girls this week, but at least there are some people out there who can make us laugh about it.  and a huge thank you to CC and JL.

I'm tired of being angry, so I'd rather just watch the finale for Josh and Reva and be happy with that. (Who says gay folk can't enjoy watching the occasional straight couple?)

"Every time two lesbians kiss, an angel gets its wings." --Roseanne

Orlagh Cassidy tweeted that the name was a shout out to 2 producers, Jennifer and Amanda. I guess it's their shipper name, LOL?

I was pleased with the ending. Yes I was disappointed that Otalia never got to share a kiss, but I still say that what wasn't there is far outweighed by the romance of what was there. I kinda liked the way they sat there and stared in each other's eyes for a long beat today. That was almost more intense than a kiss. Almost.

I've loved this show since I was a kid, and I love these 2 characters and these 2 actresses, so I'm good. I will miss the show like crazy, but they made the most of their chance at closure with a touching and bittersweet goodbye.

Just my 2 cents. 

Crap,

"It’s a nice package — and it’s wrapped."

Now you've made me cry again.

Everyone can bitch and complain and laugh at the no sex no kiss as much as they want, and I am shattered by the open homophobia as well, but I really,really was in love with Olivia and Natalia..and what ever they did,whatever did it..they made me fall in love,right along with them.

I think that a lot of the second hand sexual frustration  is also a part of that, and I just wish it weren't true, that these days a love story could be that openly censored..in our faces..

Today, i have to let go a little of my dream of love and family,too.

But I am just so grateful to have seen what could have been possible..what is possible.

What should be normal.

And it is not just a kiss.

But two women in love wherever,whenever.

Sharing what all people in love share.

Today a big light has gone out..for the Lesbian community especially.

Hope of them not being censored,of all things good and right, and the depatrure of one of the last Lesbian couples on TV right now.

Dark times these are..dark times indeed.

The last lesbian story on American TV slips away and we all wait for the crumbs on House and Grey's sad.

Was it perfect - no - but it was a great story with moments of whoops and corporate interference. 

Loved each and every re-cap... thanks M.

Despite the lack of intimacy at least Guiding Light fans never had to deal with rape, a convoluted baby swap storyline, off screen break ups and a relationship with a transexual.   Nothing against transexuals, but it was used to as a plot device for a lesbian to be involved with a man indirectly.  

I feel for Otalia fans, but you all don't know what torture really is unless you followed the way All My Children handled its lesbian storylines.  

The sheer ugliness of it all cured me of ever watching lesbians on soaps again.   Not even Bianca's relationship with Reese could make up for the years of inherit homophobia from ABC daytime. 

Anyway looking forward to those two actresses on Venice. 

R.I.P. Guiding Light.  You were an American institution. 

... oh yes, my thoughts exactly before the last ep today. Shakespeare plainly knew all about GL:

"Our remedies oft in ourselves do lie
Which we ascribe to heaven. The fated sky
Gives us free scope, only doth backward pull
Our slow designs when we ourselves are dull."

"Oft expectation fails, and most oft there
Where most it promises."

"Praising what is lost
Makes the remembrance dear." 

One year later the 'lesbian disguise' is still in use, Liv must have been spending a lot of time with Doris over the past year. Yeah, the ending of GL was really lame and very forced. The lack of a romantic kiss is a kick in mouth to all us gay and staight fans/viewers who just wanted to see a love story, period. We saw a love story but it lacked being a lust story too. They should have been all over eachother like any new couple in love . . .

If only I could film what I'm projecting in my mind--now, THAT would be a story! 

Bye, bye Otalia & GL. Hello Venice & Giani!!!!

Nash

www.brokenbarrel.ca

the best lines ever:

 Emma runs out to get a lollipop from the nurse, whose name is probably Kiera.

Doris is running a little late because she had to stop by Emma’s school and pick up her date.

if otalia ever have a hand holding or a forehead bumping competition, they will wipe the floor with these amateurs.

Doris seems to have kicked her date to the curb. She must have gotten tired of cutting up her meat for her.

Otalia cutting the rug, doing the CBS Sapphic samba — one step forward, one step back, repeat.

it´s 4:30 am here and I´m really worried I woke up my neighbors with laughter!lol

m. dawson----thank you so much. Absolutely brilliant and much needed laughter on a very emotional day.

You rock!

Becky

As a long time viewer, I felt as though today’s episode was just what the doctor ordered. I was so thrilled to finally see the happy endings that so many characters richly deserved. Jeva (Josh and Reva) and the 4 Musketeers were by far my favorite parts. If I were a straight audience member, I’d say this show delivered like Dominos!

Now as an Otalia fan, I felt extremely let down. But it’s not like I expected anything less. Really the last couple months have been nothing but the same old, same old. What little Otalia scenes we did receive once again felt like they centered around Frank or “the man” as I prefer to call it. I kind of feel bad for Crystal in a way. She’s been on the show for 10 years, decided to stick with GL even after her contract was up, and this is what she got for her troubles.

And if I hear one more person refer to Otalia as the best female, same-sex love story on television (because we can’t call them lesbians!) I’m going to scream. This pathetic, half-assed attempt at whatever the forke you want to call it, was no better than watching a show for the subtext. The only difference was they acknowledged the fact they liked one another. Beyond that, there was nothing grand about this story. Sure GL chose to keep them together. But if you were an outsider looking in, all you would have thought was hey there are two really great friends! I agree with Sportlady on this one. After wasting my time with Otalia, I’m forced to re-watch Bad Girls season 1-3. That my friend is a storyline that will forever go down in history and rightfully so!

So to Crystal and Jessica, I say thank you for putting your heart, souls, and support into Otalia. I’m only sorry GL and CBS didn’t have enough balls to do you or the fans justice. I look forward to seeing what Crystal has in store for us with Venice.

I stopped watching this show awhile back. I just knew it wasn't ever going to go anywhere but hand holding.

What the sad part is Spashley got more action then these two got and so did Bianca. 13 on House got some.Hell even Greys Anatomy is at least showing a real lesbian couple so far Arizona and Callie haven't had to hide from everyone or not express their feelings. At least them couples got more of a story then the crap GL has put fans through.

 I guess I'll be dead before the networks on regular TV will ever give a lesbian storyline the same treatment they give a hetrosexual couple.

And to me as long as we accept this kind  of storylines for lesbian couples things will never change and by saying the was The Greastest Love Story ever just feeds the networks saying it's ok to treat them like this. That way they the homophics are happy so are some of you by saying that  was a great love story to the networks it's a win win for them because alll they have to do is give a implied lesbian couple and that will make the gay community happy.

....I will be happy to get out of this little incestuous hotbed of lesbian interfuckingconnectedness.” – Bette to Kit

 It was good to see old friends and have a happy ending for many. And well Otalia did kiss, but with GL being short on time, money and well cameras it was missed. The cameraman ran out of film. He looked the other way. Tripped over a cable on the ground. No matter. We all know what happened. BTW, they did get married during a vacation but not enough budget money to send a camera and well the home video was a little shaky to be added to the show.....

 Ditto on looking forward to Venice.

I'm already signed up logged in and have started joining groups on the Site! 

Natalia & Olivia: Expert handholders

Venice here we cum!

 Can't wait! Yes, I'll pay for the experience!

Nash

www.brokenbarrel.ca