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Dara & Karman's Hit List: "The Best and Worst of The L Word" (Episode 13)

We're counting down the days until the premiere of the final season of The L Word. How will we entertain ourselves in the meantime? By talking about everything we've loved and hated about the show over the last five years!

This week, Dara and I recall the highs (Carmen!), the lows (Max!) and the moments of extreme weirdness (Jenny and Sounder!) that have comprised all five seasons of The L Word.

Along the way, we also recall the special guests (Jane Lynch, Holland Taylor, Elizabeth Keener) that have provided a surprising amount of magic to the show when they joined the regular cast for lesbian hijinks. So, in the words of Dawn Denbo, "It's on!"

Have any favorites or least favorites that you'd like to share with the class? Let us know!

Dara & Karman's Hit List "The Best and Worst of The L Word" (Episode 13)

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Rae's picture

:D

Stay away from trees girls. Loved this!
Briony's picture

The good one?

Hey Karman, maybe some people think you are the good one... ;)
Clara's picture

exactly what I've said

exactly what I've said below. Karman is infinetly better than Carmen!

oh and also like i thnk someone else said, Shane didn't want Carmen to answer the phone, but she did anyways!

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"there's always time for a burrow..."
"We're getting fired, fired, fired, firedddd"

"Clippity-cloppity"  

Lizzie24's picture

Carmen

Actually Carmen was on the cruise in Season 2.  Also in season 3 the scene between Shane and Carmen, Carnmen was the one who went to answer the phone.   Shane tried to stop here.  I still think though she should have tried harder.
Lizzie24's picture

double post

sorry double post
jeepdawg_34's picture

Sarah Shahi is smokin'

And that sexy dance scene was to die for NOT answer the phone! Dumb "Chane" for letting her go...

But, she was on the Lez Boat...Freaky Jenny kept pushing "Chane" and Carmen together on the dance floor...

Nice walk down train wreck lane. Sad to see it go! 8( 

One of my favs was the B-Ball scene in season 4...Alice rockin' the big a$$ rope necklace...

 

Silvia's picture

the "Bushy Asses" vs. Papi's team

that basketball scene was so funny. favorite part was when papi called bette brown barbie and bette said "who are you calling brown barbie? carmelita tropicana"  and when helena scored  from the free-throw line with her back turned....good times
Sash's picture

I thought Molly was a

I thought Molly was a highlight of the last season. I really liked her, she had a couple of awesome lines, no?
aphrodite's picture

well...

whilst reclining with a vodka and cranberry juice i noticed both of your hair is looking especially pretty ....ahem shallow.......anyway i just thought i would say i wish marianne faithful was still the theme music...god bless marianne!  :D 
AnnaRG's picture

correction...

you guys said that Carmen did not go on the cruise...which is not true. She did. In the beginning Jenny said she didn't want to go on the cruise because she secretly knew about Shane and Carmens attraction for each other...so she wanted them to go alone. so then carmen said for a second that she wasn't going to go either if Jenny wasn't going..but then eventually Shane, Jenny, AND Carmen all went on the cruise...and they had to share a tiny little room together with one bed...making it very uncomfortable for them all.
AnnaRG's picture

and now i realize i'm not

and now i realize i'm not the first one to notice it...haha nice job girls
Gaby's picture

Haha awesome list...

Ok for me the best one was season 3.... Sure I liked DAna but somehow the Sharmen storyline distracted me.
marilyne's picture

Five years already!

Even if there's been a LOT of weird stuff going on for 5 years, i'm quite sad it's coming to an end, specially reading about the spin off!

The low is definitely Dana dying, the up is pretty much the fact that this is a lesbian show!

Great show guys!

Everything with passion, nothing with talent...

Clara's picture

Carmen did go on the cruise!

Carmen did go on the cruise! Jenny kept trying to get her and Shane together because she'd seen the tape! haha everlasting gobstopper of hotness. but seriosuly, she is hot in sex scenes etc but i don't really notice her otherwise.. i guess she's not my type.. i didn't connect to her personality. you guys are both better than Carmen, you'd be way better to spend time with, she's not the better Carmen/Karman!! :p

the top Paige is wearing at 10:25 is like one i just ordered (but with longer sleeves).. yeh.. and an aweomse pink robot t-shirt too. there's an epic t-shirt at the US missy higgins store but £30 is too much to spend methinks!

like you discussing the l word since i know it, often i don't know what you're talking about!

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"there's always time for a burrow..."
"We're getting fired, fired, fired, firedddd"

"Clippity-cloppity"  

Ed Would's picture

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Will there be a WGN spree for the last season, despite all the drama that we're definitely not mentioning?  I would be interesting in seeing the reaction to a possible 'Shenny' (oh dear God why?) pairing.
sparkleandtwinkle's picture

What about Rachel Shelley

What about Rachel Shelley in season 2 - she was a new addition.

I also liked the theme tune pre-Betty. 

I also liked Molly, and the whole straight girl falls for girl storyline with Shane. It also brought out a less cadd-ish side in Shane too. 

Dana's death was unncessary, totally agree there. What an awful message to send out to people. No-one needed to die, really, and there would have been other characters whose energy wouldn't be missed. Dana's absence from the show is still very noticeable imo, she was so idiosyncractic in her ways, noone could replace that gap in the line up. 

Overall,  l think I liked Season 1 the best... as it did have that new-ness, and they hadn't had a chance to see it air yet and then fck it up! lol

Oh, and also, those sex scenes with Tim, and Mark in Season 2... I was always under the impression, however falsely, that the show was for everyone. Obviously Lgbt representation in this way on screen had never existed before, but ultimately it was for everyone. If it had been completely totally lesbian action 100% of the time with no look in on other lifestyles at all, then it wouldn't have been as easy for perhaps viewers from different backgrounds to find a route in. That didn't stop the Mark storyline from being totally sucky though.

mhmgirlsrock1992's picture

Weakkk.

(: I was laughing non-stop!

Dara's looking good in these vlogs. 

KatAtomic's picture

What about Molly? I thought

What about Molly? I thought she deserved a mention. And the Jenny/Nikki strap on scene??

 

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“We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will.” --Chuck Palahniuk

just_a_little_while_longer's picture

Words to live by....

If she is not a friend with benefits, then what is she....

LOL had me cracking up...

Cullen's picture

Trees and Dara

Clearly Dara would never end up in an embarassing and compromising position like Mary Katherine Gallagher of Superstar.
jordan-writes's picture

I really wish

that you guys were doing the recaps for next season. I love Jenn and Dee, but its almost like it belongs to you guys. It makes me sad that the terrible three wont be there for us to see for the last season.
AMN's picture

Not really a fan

I'm not a huge fan of TLW.  I got most of my information about the show on AE.  Currently, I'm not certain if I plan on tuning in for the last season, or just getting my highlights (and lowlights) here.

My opinion of the low - Season Three with crazy-ass Alice and dying Dana; favourite moment - either when Alice and Dana hooked up while making the gift bags for Dana's wedding or when Dana's suitcase got held up at Security; and the corniest moment - the giant Dana head over the waterfalls.

And, just on a side note....it seems that perhaps Dara has been slightly too violent with her cowbell.  That's a lot of tape holding it together!  ; )

"That which you believe becomes your world."

delmacgirls's picture

so many memories so lil time:)

So, this was a fast track review i know but what about the famous basketball scene with Papi and all that trash talk, the famous split screen seen with alice shane bette etc on the phone...Jenny was a crack up when she borrowed the dudes phone and put on the accent, my god the kiss with Dana and the soux chef Lara...i loved her, the redemption of Tina...thank god she came back from the dark side and twice as hot as before i may say...season 5 Tina..wow, i also thought the sex scenes with Shane and Paige were still hot even with the whole tree thing...Kristanna is hot i have to say, especially in that flashback to the 50's thing!!!.I dont think you even mentioned Helena, who i think as a character coming in did a great job too...anyway as i said so many things....and whatever the view on the show..we will miss the show and the content on tv ...i have a bad feeling it will be a long time before we see it again...god bless em all i say....ok well especially Carmen , god damn that girl is hot.....lol

peace, andy

Tina Marie's picture

DARA LOOKS GREAT!!!

OMG!!! Dara, you look so good with makeup!!! I always thought you were pretty, but now you are really hooooooooooooooooooooot!!! Cheers.
femlesh's picture

I saw the first episode already...

and it was kind of disappointing but I thought all first episodes were (exept in season 1 of course).

And just another correction: Jenny was the director not a producer (I think that would be Tina) but anyway...

Yey to 'sparkleandtwinkle' asking about Rachel Shelley? Helena had everything. She was hot and bossy(powersuits look good on her also), naive and funny and oh yeah, the ultimate savior (killer of Dawn Denbo). Her character had gone through the most outstanding change.And did I mention she's hot?

Just one last thing: THE PRISON WALL SCENE: I still can't believe how  talented Jennifer Beals is. There aren't a lot actresses who could have done that scene, if you you ask me.

emily's picture

am i the only person in the

am i the only person in the world that liked the jodie/bette dynamic? i thought they were good together. she wasnt such a pushover as tina was. but i think the worst moment in l word history would have to be the jenny and carmen toilet sex/whatever the hell it was. dear god..what was that?!
Tina Marie's picture

No, you are not!

I also loved Bette and Jodi together. I liked the way Jodi was always telling Bette to stop being such a control freak. I think their chemestry was great!
Abby  's picture

I'm 5'11 and now I feel like

I'm 5'11 and now I feel like a tree. lol

I still miss Dana and Carmen.

miss chatelaine's picture

Carmen

was the best thing that ever happened to The L Word. Carmen! Dear God. She's just about everything I dream of.

But I have to stand up for Moira/Max - one of my favourite characters on the show. Sure, he was badly written and Daniela Sea isn't the best actress in the world (someone get that facial hair off her!) but I love Max.

trish's picture

the terrible three!

i also would really want to see you guys recap the final season! it seems like a fun way of putting the series to a close. and i also think that its somewhat appropriate. plus i REALLY miss Jill. :(

i might be of minority but i don't really get the Carmen thing. ok, ok. i think she's hot but i don't see anything special about her. Lara is more my cup of tea. i just don't understand why they didn't keep her. for crying out loud they kept Max! even Papi got a whole season's worth of story lines. why not her??? Lauren Lee Smith is just...urgh... something else!! :x

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twillow's picture

helena??

what about helena?? now there's an everlasting gobstopper of hotness!! plus she was in 4 out of 5 seasons, surely she deserves a mention? and rachel shelley is fricken awesome

Worst major event of the show is definitely Dana's death.. Still holding that grudge! Damn you Ilene!

As for the best, too many to choose from :) Despite the often questionable storylines/characters/dialogue etc i love the show, i think it's really awesome and i can't wait for the sixth season to start.

Dorian_Anna's picture

Theme boo-sic

At some point-I don't remember when- the theme music began to suck. The music sucked really hard. In fact, did I mention it sucked?

However the entertainers that preformed i.e., Peaches, rocked.  And of course the heat the rose out of the incendiary sex scences and smokin' ladies made up for the vacume of suck that came from the intro song. Thus, it was forgivable; in my oh so fat opinion. 

hopefaithlove's picture

Sara/Carmen is not God

Well,  I like the highlight and low show.  It was good and organized and concise.  My one comment to benefit the general persons who may read these comments.  My comment is that Sara Shahai and her character are not God.  I imagine that Karman was kidding when she said this but some people make take her literally.  She is not literally God.  She is a person with needs and desires and strengths and flaws and a human can never be God.  This cause all sorts of problem when we think a person is God.  There can be abuse of power when a king or leader thinks he/she is a God.  We can worship someone who does not deserve to be worshipped.  Sara Shahai can not answer my prayers, so I won't worship her.  I can have a crush on her, be infatuated with her, but no woman should be a God to me. 
Tina Marie's picture

Bad things about The L Word

1 - Marina: she was cut off in the second season with a terrible lame excuse. That Jenny/Marina affair could've gone on and on for seasons.

2 - Dana: I still don't understand what the point was of killing her.

3 - Alice and Lara: why on Earth would they become a couple right after Dana died? I think they just wanted to keep Lara for some more episodes.

4 - Max and her boyfriends: it's so not convincing that Max (a girl who wants to become a man) would wanna hook up with a man, and she hooked up with two (Billie and Tom)!!! Max is a Lesbian!!! Or a straight man!!! No way she's gonna be attracted to men...

5 - Not very convincing lesbians: okay you guys, we are all lesbians and we kinda know when a person is a lesbian or not and there are some characters on The L Word that are too straight in my opinion, like Carmen, Nikki, Jenny (5th season) and Helena. I'm not saying that lesbians should all be stone butches, but my gaydar didn't ring at all when I saw those characters. On the other hand, the show has a lot of convincing lesbians, like Bette, Shane, Alice, Dana, Marina, Tasha, Jodi and even Tina.

Tina Marie's picture

The worst thing of The L Word: JENNY!!!

I know some people are in love with this new bitchy Jenny, but to me this is nonsense. The character Jenny would NEVER become a person like this. She could like turn into a conceited and overwhelmed woman after becoming a movie director, but the thing is that they changed her personality way too much. She was a weird girl in seasons 1, 2 and 3. In season 4 she changed a little (which was okay, since she was more secure about her feelings and everything). But in season 5 she's like a totally different person. It's like a new character, who's definitely not connected to the old one. The character is not bad, it's even kinda funny, but that's not Jenny. They changed her essence, that's the problem...
Mary_had_a_lamb_in_PT's picture

favourite line:

- "I don't care if it's God on the phone, you don't..."

- "It's NOT God on the phone 'cause God is in front of you taking her clothes off!"

- "Exactly!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

Alex(Mack)'s picture

I'm a tree girl...

At 6'3" I tower over all whom I date. It's a sad fact, but a true one. I must say though, it's actually quite convenient and fun using all my branches while in bed. So don't diss the tree girls until you've tried one.

 

;)

Cody's picture

I'm still waiting for the

I'm still waiting for the drag episode that was promised in the "lesbian stereotypes" episode... ;)

The worst of the L Word:

The sacking of Papi
All of the other characters that were thrown out were, somehow, written out. Papi just never appeared again in S5! I know that there are supposed to be 6 months between the end of S4 and the beginning of S5, but Papi was never even *mentioned* again. I thought Tasha was her best friend? Shouldn't she at least said something along the lines of "Yes, Kit broke Papi's heart so Papi moved to the other end of LA to not see Kit every day", or "Papi's limousine service was groundbreaking and they relocated her to NY!"?

But then again, Dana, everyone's (best) friend, was only mentioned twice (or three times) after her death. (Once in Alice's living room and then for the Subaru Pink Ride.) That was lame.

Leigh's picture

Dana

My problem with the Dana storyline was this..Millions of women are diagnosed with Cancer every year.Be it breast or other..How about alittle hope..?!!
dittybop's picture

Damnit!

I was trying so hard to not know who was getting killed off.

 

Crap. 

sallysays's picture

Dana

I know it was the most brutal thing ever when she died, but I always thought it was because she wanted off of the show to pursue other things? (OK I know they could have written something different for her... like, a tennis team in Australia or something...) Am I wrong? I was pretty sure that they didn't just go "hey, let's kill Dana this season. yeah! great idea! That chick's fired!"
Downy1920's picture

A "Bright" Idea

Sallysays:

No IC decided she wanted to do a storyline about Breast Cancer and how it affects 1 in 3 women. So she decided to use Dana. Erin Daniels was totally blindsided with this storyline. You can hear it on the extras on the Season 3 DVD or internet search where you can read how IC asked ED to lunch and told her the direction of her character...just out the blue.

SO yeah it was like, "Lets kill Dana this season"

Still white hott with rage about that.

sallysays's picture

oh no!!

That DOES make it way way way more brutal. WHAT!?!?!?

I sobbed my eyes out for THAT? We lost Dana for THAT?

IC couldn't have handled a breast cancer plotline better than THAT? 

Dear god. 

Anonymous's picture

dana...

they should have killed somebody else. i mean, they had a lot of options.

the show lost something when they killed her. 

but anyway...good job dara & karman!

 

 

 

You only live once!

Trix's picture

Urgh, Niki Stevens?

Please do not put her in the same sentence as Carmen! Ok, if you like stereotypical bimbos, she'll do. But where is the brain, sense of humour and "I ain't taking no bullshit" attitude?Or the hotness?