"OUT" leaves lesbians behind in its Power 50Not surprisingly, when OUT magazine released its list of the 50 most powerful gay men and women in America, lesbians were vastly outnumbered. While only 12 power lesbians made the list (and we can think of many more), the women who were included certainly deserve to be there. The third annual “Power 50" — which is based on political clout, cultural resonance, individual wealth and current personal profile — features some AfterEllen.com favorites. Ellen DeGeneres dropped from No. 1 to No. 2 this year, but her importance “shows no signs of slowing down,” according to the mag. Agreed!
Also near the top is a new face on the list: Rachel Maddow, who got the No. 3 spot. While you can’t argue with her political and cultural resonance, we think a lady who can look so good while making tasty cocktails deserves to be celebrated on any list, always.
Our fave financial guru Suze Orman moved up from No. 24 to No. 22 (we all need Suze’s wisdom in these tough economic times), Wanda Sykes debuted at No. 35 after a politically active and freshly out year, Jodie Foster, (who OUT outed in last year’s Power 50 issue) was No. 36, and Rosie O’Donnell, despite being cut loose from The View, made the list at No. 42 for her advocacy work for children.
They may not be celebrities, but other lesbian list-makers hold some of the most powerful and well-respected jobs in the country. Activist Urvashi Vaid came in at No. 50, politico for CNN and HuffPo Hilary Rosen debuted at No. 46, and media maven Martha Nelson still made No.33 on the list despite her company (Time Warner) reporting big losses. Politicos round out the lesbians in the list, with principal environmental policy adviser to the Obama administration Nancy Sutley at No. 40, New York City councilwoman Christina Quinn at No. 27 and first out (and very outspoken for LGBT rights ) House of Representatives member Tammy Baldwin at No. 11.
As AfterElton.com reported , the magazine continued its tradition of outing folks this year, which we don’t support, but fortunately, Wanda Sykes, who was featured in 2007’s “Glass Closet” issue, has come out since then, and Jodie Foster took a step out of the closet by thanking her partner after winning an award. Unfortunately, Anderson Cooper, self-hating alleged gay Matt Drudge and Barry Diller have not — but still made the list. Who else did OUT forget? Well, for starters their cover girl Beth Ditto, who brought not only a fresh lesbian face to the fashion mags, but seems to be becoming the “it” girl for curvier women. Or what about out CNN anchor Jane Velez-Mitchell?
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What do you expect?
Honestly, what do you expect? AE is supposed to be about Lesbian visibility but rarely promotes famous lesbians who don't make the top 50 hot list. Who else is going to promote the lesbians who are really out there, truly fighting for equality, if not our own community? I don't think OUT was trying to snub us -- I think they just honestly don't have a clue, and why would they?
This Web site is supposed to be about Lesbian visibility right? At least in entertainment, although I don't see how the obsession with Rachel Maddow qualifies as entertainment. Someone like Christine Quinn is making vast strides in GLBT, or just L, equality, but she's rarely mentioned on here.
I understand that the focus is on entertaintainment but AE has a rare opportunity -- you have a huge, international lesbian following. Why not channel the often negative ranting posted on here into some outreach or activism?
Why not publish AE's power 50 instead of hot 50? Show OUT who really has the scoop on understated power lesbians with political clout.
Don't get me wrong, I'm obsessed with your Web site and read it every day. But it does get tiring to see all the negativity with nothing positive coming out of it. Just a thought.
I agree, I love this site
If it means we lose the hot
If it means we lose the hot 100... I... I... can't agree.
[Also, it might seem a bit too self-congratulatory of AE, with an awful lot of my favourites for the list being contributors to this site.]
Its a great thought
Why we do what we do
So if I'm understanding your comment correctly, you basically have three separate issues with AfterEllen.com:
1) we should cover more than entertainment
2) we should highlight more than just famous/powerful lesbians
3) we should be more positive
We get all three of these kinds of comments occasionally, usually from new and/or younger readers, so let me tackle them each individually.
1) The reason AfterEllen.com has such a large audience is because it's an entertainment site. We've always been an entertainment site, and that's not going to change — aside from the fact that we don't have the staff or the interest in expanding, we wouldn't change the focus because what we're doing is activism, in its own way (see my answer to #3). We've recently introduced our recaps of The Rachel Maddow Show to give our readers a way to stay up on and discuss the latest political issues, but that's about as far as we're going to go. There are several dozen lesbian or LGBT news sites or blogs and websites if that's what you're looking for, like 365gay.com and Pam's House Blend (whose founder we profiled back in 2006), which has a large audience and focuses on LGBT political and activist issues.
2) It's simply not true that we focus on more famous lesbians than less famous ones — for every piece about a "famous" lesbian, we've written 5 or 6 other pieces about non-famous ones. You probably just notice the famous ones more, because they're, well, famous. In addition to our frequent in-depth interviews with out directors, musicians, authors, and actors, we highlight up-and-coming lesbian/bi women in entertainment in our SoundCheck, Across the Page, Ask AfterEllen.com, and Queer Women to Watch columns, and daily on the blog. This week alone we've covered news about 3 semi-famous out chefs, openly gay Olympic softball player Laura Lappin, out actress Cynthia Nixon speaking out about gay marriage, out chef Cat Cora and her partner, and the queer band Le Tigre, none of whom would qualify as the 50 most powerful lesbians in America (OK, maybe Cynthia Nixon, but that's it). This week we've also covered the positive strides that are being made in LGBT comics, featured multiple openly gay or bisexual women in our video blogs, and highlighted lesbian/bi storylines in TV and films in China and the UK, and (when we post the BLWE tomorrow), in Australia, Spain and Germany.
3) There has been more negativity than usual on the site in the last two weeks because of the end of The L Word. This is to be expected given how poorly it ended, but that's over now. As for the site being analytical and/or critical about lesbian visibility in the media and entertainment — that is not going to stop. That's our mission, that's what we're here to do. If we don't call out Eminimen for what he's saying about lesbians in his music video, for example, or point out the lack of lesbians on TV, almost no one else in the media will. What many of our newer/younger readers don't seem to understand is that entertainment, as frivolous as it might be sometimes, is a vehicle for empowerment — that just being seen, and how we're seen, is important and influences the LGBT community's more direct activist efforts (witness Ellen and Portia's impact on how straight people view gay marriage).
It also makes a huge impact on the personal lives of lesbian/bi women around the world. I've received thousands of emails over the years about how a certain lesbian TV/movie character, or musician, or out celebrity, helped someone feel OK about being gay, or come out to their parents, or in some cases even prevented them from killing themselves (especially teenagers and women of all ages in isolated areas around the world). For some people this website has served the same purpose, simply by introducing them to a diversity of lesbian and bisexual women, and for connecting them to other women struggling with some of the same issues.
Something like the Hot 100 is both silly fun and a form of activism, because it gives queer women a way to make our voices heard about what's attractive — and this is a voice that's rarely if ever heard in America.
I hope this helps explain why we do what we do. We don't have a great search engine (I'm working on that), but I would encourage you to surf around the site more — click on the "People" tab and read through the archives, for example — and you'll find more positive profiles of non-famous lesbian/bi women than you'll ever have time to read.
Perhaps We should Have A Sister Site To Fill The Non-Media Gap
www.myspace.com/lunakiss7.com
I thought I was the only who complained too much. Thanks xshorti3x for taking the words right out my mouth. Then again AE.com only focuses on Lesbian/Bi entertainment and media not social/scoiety/politics. Maybe another sister site would help fill this need?
This picture is actress Paula Patton, the R&B/Soul RobinThicke's wife. She played in Deja Vu,Idelwild and Rush Hour 3. So it's not me.
12 lesbians!?! 12? That many?
I think sometimes we forget that most people don't know any lesbians, let alone that some of the women featured in the OUT spread are still not openly out, really. Heck, I know seven lesbians in my direct physical life, including my wife. And of the 12 women on OUT's list, I had only heard of half of them. Who's Jane Velez-Mitchell? I'm asking that truthfully.
In numerous interviews, many American bi/lesbian women waffle about being bis/lesbians at all, and maybe OUT, in its own way, tried to find more bi/lesbians, but just couldn't justify labelling any more women, because even though they out lots of people, for some women, its a true reach to call them bis/lesbians even with proof.
On the other side, I know tons of gay men who are openly gay and let me know that they love/hate being gay on a regular basis. My wife is the only lesbian I know who will talk openly about her sexuality.
Maybe the real problem we need to focus on is that there really aren't a lot of us, and of us, there aren't a lot of us who aren't hiding.
I have to agree
I subscribed to Out for a year, and dropped it because it was so ridiculously slanted towards the G and away from the L. Honestly, I would have expected about 5 lesbians, on their list, so I'm pleasantly surprised. Plus, let's be honest, men still have more power in this country.
I really disagree with the idea of putting people who are either in the closet or for all we know, not actually gay, on it. The magazine is called Out - let's keep the list to people who are out! Some people are questionable, like Jodie Foster, who I think has done enough to consider her out, but Anderson Cooper is not.
I don't think it's too productive to whine about specific people who should have been on the list, though. There's clearly plenty of people who could have been on the list, and someone made the call that a NYC councilwoman was more powerful than a CNN anchor. I'm sure there are plenty of men who could have been on the list and weren't either.
Specifically the fact that even the author of this blog could only think of 2 people who she thought should have been on it means Out wasn't too far off.
I would agree that Jane Velez-Mitchell should be on it, except that she is pretty new, right? The blog where I heard about her was only posted a month ago. It's possible that she was not on their radar when they started looking at people for the list.
As for Beth Ditto, two things. One is that the list is strongly skewed away from people who are just entertainers towards politicians or entertainers who have more power like Ellen or producers or directors. Another is that the only place I have ever heard of Beth Ditto is this site. To be fair, I haven't heard at all of some of those behind-the-scenes people on the list, but still. She isn't exactly Ellen.
If you want to include pure entertainers, then the people who I think are lacking far more than Beth Ditto would be people like Melissa Etheridge or Cynthia Nixon, who straight people actually know.
I'm surprised nobody has pointed out yet that the one thing the women do have going for them is more racial diversity than the men. The men on the list, except for a Taiwan-born designer, are all white. At least out of our 12 women we have 2 of color.
I agree
With all your points, especially why Ditto and Valez-Mitchell probably didn't make the list. Truthfully, I've never heard of either of them outside of this site.
Even though I feel all icky sort-of defending Out, I agree that the real issue is the huge power imbalance that still exists between men and women in this country. We live in a time when there are still only 17 female senators, and only 14 woman CEOs of Fortune 500 companies. In a society like ours it would be wildly unrealistic to expect a fifty-fifty split in this list.
I think this is as much as we could have hoped for: there weren't any egregious snubs and they didn't put frickin' Katy Perry on the cover. I call it a good day for lesbian-Out relations.
thank god
Little rant and research
I've never been a fan of Out. I own one issue and that was the Margaret Cammermeyer issue from the mid 90's. That's not to say I've never bought the magazine before -- when I first came out in 1994 I was desperate for a decent national gay and lesbian news source. I quickly realized that this was not the magazine for me. It was as if they tossed in an article or two related to women in between the pictures of oiled men and Queer Eye articles.
So this blog piqued my curiosity and I did a little research from the Out website. Specifically for women-related covers.
Since the first issue in 1993 there have been 182 published issues of Out. Of those, only 34 issues featured women on the cover. Mind you, women that lesbians would probably like to read about. I didn't count Liza Minelli, Paris Hilton or Cher covers. I was being generous with my counting certain covers even. I would say it's closer to 25.
I also didn't count that horrid issue with the Anderson Cooper and Jodie Foster "masks". If I ever once considered buying that magazine again I wouldn't just because of that cover and subsequent article. Just because you're a self-proclaimed gay and lesbian magazine doesn't give you the right to out anyone.
* There is a margin for error in my calculations since I freely admit I am only proficient in math to a 3rd grade level - Give or take a year or two. :P
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I guess I don't see the
I guess I don't see the list as being unfair to lesbians, even though we don't have exact numerical representation on the list. Anytime there's a list of bests, hottest, smartest, whatever-est people are going to look at that list and find some fault. If there were 24 women and 26 men, there are still some who would call this unequal. I would bet if there would still be some complaining about the discrepency. I'm sure there were men who some believe were left off the list too. Maybe, in general, men feel more of a need to tout their accomplishments than women or they are better at getting publicity. For instance, Barney Frank's roles in congress keep him in the forefront more than Tammy Baldwin's do at this point of time. I wonder, if asked who Baldwin is, how many straight folks would know she's an out lesbian member of congress.
There should not be competition between gays and lesbians. Our community is small in comparison to non LGBTs. It's not like there were 2 lesbians and 48 gay men on the list with glaring omissions. Let's do what we can to promote lesbians in business, politics, and the arts (not just entertainment) so we can raise the awareness of own community.
I would love to see this site focus more on women outside the entertainment industry. I find the 100 hottest lesbian list offensive. I voted for Rachel Maddow because brains are hot, even if she's not aesthetically my type. If not for Rachel I wouldn't have voted. I'd rather see more articles on what someone like Suze Orman or Tammy Baldwin are doing. I'd love to hear about lesbian artists, writers, famous lesbians throughout history. I'm in my mid 40s and there's a lot on this site I don't bother with like comic books, teen dramas, or 99% of the entertainment things. I am ok with pointing out things like the lack of lesbian characters on TV as long as that info is in context. Surely there are other minorities not well represented on tv. I think there's a way to express that without sounding like we're martyrs or whining and to encourage proactivity amongst AE readers. I think we're stronger as a community when we speak out judiciously.
I understand the inclusion of semi-out folks like Anderson Cooper and Jodi Foster on the list. Just because someone isn't talking about their LGBT orientation in the media, doesn't mean they aren't out to friends and those in their social circles and in the industry. I think it depends on the definition of OUT . I respect those in the public eye like Rachel Maddow and Tammy Baldwin who are comfortable talking openly about their sexual orientation as part of their persona. They do such a great service to our cause for equality. Just because someone famous hasn't spoke in an interview about their sexual orientation doesn't mean they are in the closet.
I believe when someone ventures into a career in the public that they give up certain rights of privacy as an occupational hazard. We can debate the fairness of this, but it is a fact of being a public figure in the 21st century. I don't have a problem with LGBT folks being outed if they are indeed LGBT,because of this. To me this isn't same as people pointing fingers in an accusatory manner, teasing an effeminite man or masculine woman with homophobic taunts.
Ugh, power lists
Tammy Baldwin
And another thing
It doesn't really matter you
It doesn't really matter you personal life as long as you can keep your business straight. Of course this women managed to outrank many others, and I admire them. But to be honest, I prefer gay women than men. The way you look at it, women make a better job in being gay, right? That's why I love powerful women.