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"Pope Joan": She was always going to die anyway

I'm often underwhelmed when I read that a movie will be made about a historical female figure. Period movies about strong women who challenge the male hierarchy only to be demonized by contemporaries and historians (and sometimes real demons) are a genre unto themselves: Insert tragic historical female, grant her enough authority to hang herself, end with creative torture by the powers that be. It's not that I mind tragedies, it's that I've seen that movie a hundred times, just with different dresses. (Unless it's Cate Blanchett in The Golden Age. But then, Elizabeth I would not be subjugated by any man.)

Just last year, we had Marie Antoinette. Kirsten Dunst's version of the teenage bride is the definition of used and abused.

The Messenger (1999) gave us Joan of Arc. A girl with holy visions and military skills? Burn her at the stake. Not even Milla Jovovich's armor could save her.

In a movie of her own, Magdalene (1989), Mary Magdalene is caught in a power struggle between powerful men. (This I used to watch again and again. Big teenage crush on Nastassja Kinski.)

A classic is Cleopatra (1963). She knows how to use her femininity for conquest of men and nations, but still ends up in a tomb. (And wow. I always forget how striking Elizabeth Taylor was.)

And finally, Alien 3 (1993). Hang on. Ripley wasn't real — that was just my biggest cinematic disappointment ever.

With this in mind, I can't say I'm completely heartbroken over reported delays for the big screen adaptation of Donna Cross's novel Pope Joan. Yes, that's Pope as in Rome. Cross's novel deals with the legend of the female Pope, a seventh century AD woman whose story may or may not have been a fictional anti-papal satire (but is cool nonetheless). Joan dressed as a man and studied what she pleased, teaching master scholars of the day and becoming so revered that she was universally voted successor to Pope Leo IV.

Here's the twist. While riding her horse, Joan unexpectedly gives birth to a child. (Oops, I hate it when that happens.) In all accounts she's punished with death, though it's unclear whether it was for the sinister crime of motherhood or the viler sin of passing as a man. In some legends she sits silently at the birth place for a couple of years (as anyone would, I'm sure), then dies. Another account has her tied to her horse's tail, dragged through the streets, stoned to death, and buried on that spot.

Woo. I can't wait for this one.

If the movie doesn't fly, you can still check out a '70s version starring Liv Ullmann. I'm pretty sure there's past life regression involved, though, so proceed at your own risk.

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  • Harpy's picture

    :D

    Apollo wrote:
    Here's the twist. While riding her horse, Joan unexpectedly gives birth to a child. (Oops, I hate it when that happens.)
          
    LOL!
          
    Interesting tidbit to add... The High Priestess card in many Tarot decks is Pope Joan.  :)
    stormy's picture

    Riding Lessons

    There are certain things one should never do in the saddle and givin' birth is one of them!  That being said, having sex in the saddle is unforgetable!
    ~H~'s picture

    *Sigh*

    Yes...
    Nastassja Kinski...
    Definitely one of my early "crushes"...
    That's a lovely photo of her in your blog. :-)

    Of course...I always loved this Richard Avedon photo of Nastassja:


    I also know what you mean about "tragic historical females." Historical fiction has always been one of my favorite genres. It's incredible to consider what these women could have accomplished...if the men would have just stayed out of their way. ;-)
    Starina's picture

    Pope Joan

    Pope Joan makes an appearance in the play Top Girls by Caryl Churchill. It will be on Broadway in April 2008.  Just in case you change your mind about seeing tragic heroines.
    Xaverie's picture

    It's in Toronto right now,

    It's in Toronto right now, starring Ann-Marie Macdonald and Megan Follows. *swoon* Frances from Better than Chocolate (and my favourite author) AND Anne of Green Gables.
    Anastasiaaah's picture

    Small world...

    My bff is seeing that very play tomorrow. I LOVE Anne Marie Macdonald. I got to play Constance from Goodnight Desdemona, Good morning Juliet in a scene for drama class.So much fun...

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    Doc McG's picture

    Just wanted to say

    ... that that was a wonderful blog entry. I am smiling now.
    BAS's picture

    I don't think it was unexpected, per se

    I seem to recall that in the book, anyway, she knew that she was pregnant and was trying to hide it, and the unexpected part is that it was not full-term and the baby was stillborn (or a late-term miscarriage, maybe, can't remember how late it was and definitions of that). I can't remember, but she might have died then, from bleeding...it was in the middle of some religous parade thing, so of course everyone saw. And that, children, is why abstinence education does not work.

    It really was a fabulous book, you should read it. It's sort of like the Da Vinci Code in the sense that the idea is that the church has been trying to cover up the fact that they let a woman be Pope for hundreds of years. Apparently after her they started checking to make sure Popes were actually male...

    Aljan's picture

    I think the surprise was

    I think the surprise was from contemporaries who had assumed that the Pope known as Pope John VIII was male, but the birth obviously proved that he was a she.
    Jamie Lynn's picture

    unexpected spawning

    True. In the legend the birth is a surprise, not in Cross's novel. She takes the sketchy historical details and runs with a fictionalized account, where she had to fill in blanks the historical accounts leave out (like, oh, Pope Joan's own perspective). I do love the legend, and the book is absolutely fabulous.

    Aljan's picture

    Nice!

    Historical drama is a favourite of mine but I agree about the same story just different dresses when it comes to historical dramas about powerful woman. Unfortunately it says a lot about history. But I guess I'll still watch Pope Joan even though I already know what the outcome will be.

    If Pope Joan doesn't work out maybe someone can make a movie about the life of Hypatia. Now here's a story to make your blood boil.

    Oh and I can see what you mean about Elizabeth Taylor being striking. She sure is especially in that little green top! :P

    xevus's picture

    Hypatia, yess

    I am with you on the Hypatia movie!, no-no, make it a series :)

    About Pope Joan, as I know she did die during a religious parade, procession I think in English, she did give birth during that and she was torn to death along with her baby by the outraged people (good old Christians, ne pas?). As I remember correctly, she is the reason that the Vatican checks the sex of the pope aspirants. God save us from someone with ovaries to bless us at Easter! :(

    NorthernStar's picture

    it was the 9th century, not the 7th

    one of the stories in Rome revolves around a special papal throne, with a large hole in the bottom, supposedly to check on the pope's sex (as a lesson after pope Joan).
    Jamie Lynn's picture

    my history book says

    she possibly lived in either the 7th, 9th, or 11th century, and the source of the stories wrote either in the 9th or 11th.

    Ah, ambiguous dates, authors, texts, and gender. Another reason to love ancient history.