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Anne Heche: Still crazy after all these years?It’s nice to know that some things in life never change. The sun will rise and set each day in its never-ending loop through space and time. The tides will ebb and flow as they perform their magnetic dance with the moon. And Anne Heche will still be nuttier than a fruitcake.
In divorce papers filed this week, Heche's estranged husband Coley Laffoon claims that the former half of the world’s most famous lesbian power couple was a bad parent to their 5-year-old son, Homer, and a persistent passenger on the crazy bus.
To this, the current Men in Trees star shot back with her own statement that read:
Oh, it’s on! Though, Anne, I don’t think you’re helping your I’m-not-crazy cause by referring to yourself in the third person. But it could have been worse: You could have called yourself Celestia. Gay women everywhere have had an awkward (to say the least) relationship with the actress since her high-profile relationship with Ellen DeGeneres ended in 2000. It didn’t help matters that shortly after the breakup, Heche started shacking up with cameraman Laffoon, whom she married a year later. And it really didn’t help that she popped up dazed and confused in Fresno to await the mothership and pull a modified Robert Downey, Jr. by showering in some stranger’s house (though, to her credit, at least she asked — unlike Downey, who just Goldilocksed some kid’s bed).
I realize that since Heche has admitted to a history of mental illness in her autobiography, aptly titled Call Me Crazy, it’s a bit like shooting those proverbial fish in that proverbial barrel to do the same. Plus, accusations made at divorce procedures are usually meant to inflict maximum damage, not maximum truthfulness. The actress left Laffoon to be with her Men in Trees co-star James Tupper, so good will is probably in short supply on both sides.
Still, I thought this quote from Bones star David Boreanaz, who worked with Heche on the new film Suffering Man’s Charity, was telling:
“Interesting.” Very diplomatic, David. Anne Heche, still throwing sliders after all these years. Submitted by on May 18, 2007 - 9:15am. |
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Anne Heche! She's so crazy!
Anne Heche! She's so crazy! She's so off the wall! Because no-one in Hollywood has ever had a hostile divorce before.
But of course, she's bisexual, so she's automatically crazy and unstable.
Anyway, there is nothing funnier than making fun of people who have had a mental illness. Well, so long as they left their lesbian girlfriend for a man, of course. If not, we might consider showing them some sympathy.
no sympathy from me too...
definitely....
I am fully with you! No way I feel sorry for her.
"I can't explain myself, I'm afraid, Sir," said Alice, "because I'm not myself, you see."
("Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" by Lewis Carroll)
Ok, I will feel sorry for her.
Excuse me Jaet?That is just
Excuse me Jaet?
That is just plain STUPID. Can you explain the logic there? err GOD, the STUPIDITY.
So, Ellen just up and leaving Alexandra Hedison for Portia is okay?
Oh Anne . . .
I've still got a lot of sympathy for her. It's not her fault that the media and people she trusted (like her soon to be ex-husband) spread rumors that she's full of the crazy. Actually, lots of actresses are full of the crazy. It's what makes them really good at what they do, pulling back the layers of sane to show an audience the crazy.
I think Anne Heche is a good actress and that its really sad that she's getting a divorce. Divorces suck. They break families apart, and it makes it especially hard since she has a child.
This is an article from 365.com which proves that she rocks: http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/09/092105heche.htm
Anne
WTF?
Why all the love for Anne Heche?! SHE LEFT ELLEN FOR A MAN. The cameraman who was filming Ellen's HBO special, in fact. Pretty low. Then she married him (heterosexual privilege) and had his baby (easier than insemination, ain't it, Heche??). Since she and Ellen repeatedly referred to each other as "wife," you might've expected Heche not to, you know, embarrass Ellen by very publicly leaving her after a minute...FOR A MAN.
ELLEN!!! Lovable Ellen!!! And you'd rather side with crazy and unstable Heche? She gets absolutely no sympathy from me. Crocodile tears and schadenfreude, but not sympathy.
Um, ever occur to you that
Um, ever occur to you that Ellen and Anne may have had serious problems in their relationship? Maybe it was hard for her to end such a public and intense relationship? Do these things ever occur to you STUPID people?
I get so sick of the LEFT HER FOR A MANNNNNN hysteria. Get over it, things are never that simple.
Sorrow Floats
Hypocritical
I find it amusing that people are saying "SHE LEFT A LESBIAN FOR A MAN!!!" and that they don't respect her because of that -- Yet, that's the exact same reaction lesbians get from a lot of people when they come out.
"THAT BITCH LEFT HIM FOR A WOMAN!!! F'N DYKE!!"
Actually, it's not amusing, it's hypocritical in so very many ways. It is, however, amusing that we as lesbians expect respect for our choices, yet some lesbians feel it is perfectly acceptable to bash a woman who left another woman for a man.
Think about it.
Right, but....
That's right. I do respect her choices, but one way or the other she should make up her mind. I haven't seen that interview in which she didn't correct her being called a lesbian...that's something I find hypocritical.
We don't exactly hear a lot about her in Germany but that wee bit surfacing in the press gives me the strong impression that she has an unsolved problem with herself. I do hope she is still working on that one during her process of combating her mental illness...
"I can't explain myself, I'm afraid, Sir," said Alice, "because I'm not myself, you see."
("Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" by Lewis Carroll)
it's not what you think
She left Ellen for the cameraman who was filming Ellen. They were high profile lesbian couple at that time and dumping Ellen was bad for the image of the whole lesbian community. It's like saying a lesbian couple won't last long and somehow they will break up and move on by marrying a guy.
Anyway Anne Heche ruin her own movie career. It's her own issue that she has to deal with. No doubt she is talented.
Are you serious? So, because
Are you serious?
So, because someone is in a "high profile" lesbian relationship, they're not able to get out of a shitty one? Puhlease.
I agree that Heche appears to be as nutty as a fruitcake, but to demand that someone stay in a relationship because otherwise it's "bad for the image of the whole lesbian community" seems just as nutty to me.
What if someone told you you had to stay in a crap relationship because it "wouldn't look good"? You don't know the inner workings of their relationship, so I hardly think you or anyone else not privy to them can pass comment.
As for stereotyping, think about it. Women dump their partners for a new one every day, gay, straight or in between. Because there are more straight men around than lesbian or bi women, if a bi woman does that, the odds are somewhat better that a man will be the "other party". So what? Would it have been better if Heche had dumped Ellen and hooked up with Hedison instead? Perhaps in your world it would be. Like that kind of thing looks good for the lesbian community - assuming, of course, that anyone else makes the same mistake of judging the many by one example.
laughing all the way to the bank!
crazy train
I don’t doubt Anne’s a few fries short of a happy meal, but with a name like “Coley Laffoon,” dude shouldn’t be throwin’ stones at anyone. Esp since he hasn’t had a job in years.
But Robert Downey Jr.? Even mentioning his name in the same breath as...well, Ellen’s ex, is sacrilege. Robt’s got more talent, charm, good looks, and humor in his little pinky toe than Ellen’s ex has in her whole lesbian/bi/sexually fluid body.
I've always liked Anne...
re hypocritical
I agree with harpy! It is hypocritical to expect respect for our choices but bash a woman who leaves a woman for a man.
That being said I would say miz snarker's blog is the ideal place for bashing people for no other reason than the opportunity to write a few "amusing" lines.
*trying not to vomit*
i really dont like anne heche, mostly because i LOVE ellen!
i kinda went through the whole anger at anne leaving ellen thing about 5yrs after it actually happened, but i think she basically just used ellen to give her carreer a boost. "ooh, lets go see volcano, they destroy LA and there's a dyke in it" grrar
its totally irrational i guess, but i shudder when i see or read stuff from when they were together, clearly just too faithful to ellen
respect her choices?
hypocritical
What's hypocritical is to expect people to accept who we fall in love with and not do the same for her. You don't know that she left Ellen for the man because he was a man, or because she fell for him. Only she knows that. I do take issue with her calling herself a lesbian and dating a man. Call yourself bi, or fluid, or whatever, but if you're a lesbian you don't date men. ESPECIALLY if you are high-profile. It just confuses people and is not fair to lesbians who actually don't date men.
Sorry, but you can't expect
Sorry, but you can't expect one person to take on the responsibility of NOT MAKING THE QUEERS look bad, geez have a little sympathy. Do you not think Anne suffered the fucked up discrimination, dyke-bashing, etc. for the 5 years she was with Ellen not to mention the pressure of the publicity of it all? Sure she made mistakes she's HUMAN not a SUPERHEROE.
I'd like you to try being a celebrity, high profile lesbian who has mental illnesses.
Heche
Anne Heche is such an easy target that its no longer enjoyable (for me,anyway) to make fun of her.
But she and her ex-hubby called their kid Homer?
Thats just plain cruel.
Wacky Anne
When Anne was with Ellen I never was able to warm up to her, and always thought she 'went gay' just for the attention, and boy, did she get it! When that attention started waning, she moved on. And yes, moving on to het priv does suck. At least if she had moved on to another hot babe...
And her behavior with Ellen did make me cringe. That Oprah interview was crazzeeee with a capital K. Why the good Ms. DeGeneres put up with that, and apparently found it attractive, I'll never know.
As annoying as I find Anne to be, I quite like 'Men in Trees', but where is it?? These TV networks can drive you nuts the way they yank these shows and say nothing about it. I started watching in spite of Anne, but she doesn't deter my enjoyment of a decent program.
A side note: I only gave MiT a try because I was offered a job in Alaska a few years ago, and though I turned it down, I've since become a bit obsessed with the state. The job was in a small town, and I wasn't sure I was up for a "northern exposure" experience, but I'll always wonder. If there's anyone who lives there, or has lived there, I'd be interested in your impressions of The Last Frontier.
C'mon!!
We've all had a crazy g.f. or two. Crazy can be hot, in its place. (Or am I standing way out on a limb of my own here...?) The intensity can be kind of flattering in a way, which is doubtless what got Ellen hooked. But Andra8 - is that bio true? What a god-awful life. More power to her, I say. The girl could do with a bit of old-fashioned loving (and possibly some Temazzapan). Here's hoping she finds it some time soon.
Love Pussy xx
What's
what's so wrong with being crazy? I for one like it. So yeah. Well we all make mistakes, so let's just forget for one moment that she left Ellen and give her the freedom to be crazy. It's okay.
Anna
this and that
I'm not a big fan of Anne Heche, but I don't really dislike her either. What I find really annoying are some of the comments on this post! Just because you had a really messed up childhood does not give you a pass as an adult. I know ALOT of women who were raped or molested for years by a family member. Some got stds, and 1 got pregnant. It is horrible, but none of them use it as a reason to behave all types of crazy. I'm not saying it doesn't have a long time affect on you. I'm just saying that you can't always use it as a crutch. When are you going to be responsible for your own actions, and not blame them on the ghosts of your past?
As for being hypocritical of women who leave women for men. I guess it just depends. Are you calling yourself a bisexual, a lesbian or neither (no labels)? If you are a bixsexual then you never claimed to be solely into women, and therefore are free to go back and forth (I guess). If you claimed to be a lesbian, then supposedly you are only attracted and want to be with women. So if you leave your women for a man, then in a sense it seems like you were being a liar. No labels then I guess you are free to do what you feel. Also I really hate that people are using the word "choices" because your feelings are your feelings. Yes you have a choice on whether to act on your feelings, but what's the alternative? To live a lie?
Back to Anne, I think the woman needs some serious help. If she will not get it for herself, then she needs to get it because of her son. She is a mother now and her life is not her own. Someone needs to be there for poor little Homer ( that is a f* name).
What happened between Anne and Ellen was messed up, but Ellen has seemed to move on so I think the rest of us should as well.
What is she not responsible for?
What has she done that she is not being held responsible for? I did not say that she should be given a free pass to physically attack people. She has only been accused of acting "bizarre." The people I knew who were raped/molested by family members also had serious problems. Even the ones who functioned well in society (went to school and got a decent job) all had certain nights when they were not "well." An accusation of a former child abuse victim acting bizarrely in front of her own husband does not warrant an inquisition, IMHO.
Now, later articles may have more information, and I might change my mind, but I see nothing in this article that is damning. For all we know, Anne Heche has went to psychiatrists and counselors before. What we have here is a vague accusation in an article about a divorce case and a bunch of resentment for a woman who left another woman for a man.
oh I forgot
"it just seems to hurt more
"it just seems to hurt more when your love leaves you for someone of the opposite sex"
Not in my experience it doesn't!!
And when did you all have this relationship with anne heche? I always heard ellen was the only woman she has been with!
She needs support..not criticism for needing help..
i dont want to be booted of this board again but what a bunch of *itches...
you cant support her cuz she left someone you dont even know personallay 'ElleN'...for a man. you act like 'ElleN' is your best friend. Well she's just a tv person... so...that is wierd of you but anyway.
Many gays and lesbians struggle with their 'sexuality'. and acceptance. Especially those whom are high profile.
I know so many gay men and women who wander to the other 'side'...and although most come back..some do not.
And hey what about those sick straight people who experment with homosexuality should they NOT be forgiven too...???? Isnt that what you are saying...
and how irresponisble of this WEBSITE (hello wake up) to entitle and article..STILL CrAZY After ALL THESE YEARS, then go forth to belittle her.
How sick is that!!! I mean talk about cruel and uneducated. Thank god you are not members of my friends or family cause i would be frightened should i have a lapse in judgement or actually enjoy sleeping with both men and women.
I mean it sounds like this site is full of typical angry lesbians who like to oppress other women ....another reason i stay out of GAY bars in the west.
I stongly feel that this ARTICLE SHOULD BE DELETED and an apology written to Anne Heche and posted in lieu of such a hateful article.
God forbid she does need medical help. I am waiting for your next article where you belittle schizophrics, and fat people.
Ok, anne--there,there
Oh, sweet sweet irony...
Oh, this is so special I don’t know where to begin. Actually, I do – I began by going back and reading your other posts – esp the ones on various SSW threads.
First, I wanna thank you – there are few things as special as waking up and reading a whole bunch o’ crazy first thing on a Sunday morning. Seems laughter is almost as effective as caffeine for waking me up in the mornings.
Second, I love the title of your post: “She needs support, not criticism…” That’s awfully selfless of you. Does your generosity of spirit extend to all women everywhere? Never mind – that’s rhetorical. I’ll get back to that in a minute.
I’m personally not of the school that leaving a woman for a man automatically opens someone up to disdain and scorn by the lesbian community, but I don’t really care. People often have visceral reactions to this kind of thing, whether it’s due to personal experience or just on principle (elucidated here nicely by people pointing up the heterosexist privilege inherent in such actions). And as yet another poster pointed out, this is Ms. Snarker’s blog, and as such, some of us come to expect, and appreciate, said snark. Call it a guilty pleasure if you like.
“you cant support her cuz she left someone you dont even know personallay 'ElleN'...for a man. you act like 'ElleN' is your best friend. Well she's just a tv person... so...that is wierd of you but anyway.”
Yes, I also find it a bit odd when people focus so obsessively on someone on tv that they don’t know, and proceed to spew undeserved vitriol. Like Julie Goldman, for example. I went back and read some of your earlier posts on SSW:
“Goldbomb thinks she can bully herway into the panel. i bet she is a bullybulldozerdyke...i have had problems with this type at work before. being a cute closeted sub..they always try to ruin my life. with their unfunny ways, and torture me with their bad clothing and plastic velcro sandles. Dressing like ugly men. GET A CLUE okay”
Yes, ripping someone apart here based on their clothing and gender identification is MUCH more acceptable than busting on someone for...well, being batshit crazy and their associated batshit crazy behavior. I esp love how you project your own issues onto her, about your “problems with this type at work.” Nothing like making assumptions, passing judgment, and name-calling to underscore your own care and concern and generosity of spirit, while you self-righteously condemn everyone.
The irony here (well, more irony) is that I’m not even a fan of Julie’s. She’s ok, but I don’t find her hysterically funny. Then again, I don’t have a burning need to trash her online. The biggest irony, however, is you trashing Julie for being “loud and bullying,” while you, apparently, are a louder bully than she’s ever been!
“I mean it sounds like this site is full of typical angry lesbians who like to oppress other women....”
Yes, all the “typical angry lesbians” who trash others based on such shallow observations as their clothes and their tv persona. My, that must be hard for you, being stuck in the “angry lesbian closet” yourself, occasionally venturing out only to throw stones at others.
I, for one, am thrilled you stay out of gay bars – I’d hate to run into you at one.
Nothing worse than some SAD person trying to push an opinionated fashionable lezbian living in the Middle East off an internet board...lol.... “
You poor, misunderstood dyke! You can dish it out alright, but when posters raise jusitified objections to your comments, they’re trying to “push you off a board??” And just as an aside, you are HARDLY the only “opinionated fashionable lesbian” here (tho with your repeated insistence that you’re a fashionista, I find that slightly suspect).
“Dont confuse loudmouthboring Goldbomb with a QUEER POSITIVE PERSON....”
Yes, you are truly a role model for lesbians, nay for POSITIVE people, the world over. I think you should start a cult, as I am reveling in the “positiveness” that you radiate.
And on Anne Heche:
“God forbid she does need medical help. I am waiting for your next article where you belittle schizophrics, and fat people.”
If Anne needs medical help, she has enough money and resources to do so. Funny you should mention “schizophrics, and fat people,” you make a good point. I’m working on an article about this right now, specifically for the purpose of mocking them. I’m looking for “schizophrics” to interview – are you available?
I repeat – there IS help out there for crazy people. Perhaps you should do some research on that.
I admit I’m a little sad that so many of your other posts were deleted – I’m dying to know what you wrote. No doubt there were some real gems there.
Finally, I MUST congratulate you on your utter lack of control and raging hypocrisy. I know some of my posts have been a bit over the top – in fact, I think I average one rebuke per week from AE staff at this point, but at least I don’t come on here shrieking (in all caps) about the horrible lesbians here, and condemn them while doing the same things I claim to find offensive. At least I’ve never had a post deleted, and by my count, you’ve had at least 3 removed. So congrats on being a total douchebag!
And this will probably count as my first post deletion, but it was WELL worth it. AE staff: I will slap my own wrist on general principle as soon as I post this comment, ok?
desperate but not serious
to the above.
well you are desperate to defend insulting and degrading a person
who is completely innocent of doing wrong, ie:Anne HEche.
Before you responded you needed to read my other posts to see what ground you stood on. lol. Are you afraid I am correct. Which I am by the way.
And to quote you..quoting me "Second, I love the title of your post: “She needs support, not criticism…” That’s awfully selfless of you. Does your generosity of spirit extend to all women everywhere? Never mind – that’s rhetorical. I’ll get back to that in a minute."....
from there you went on to compare a person in need of SUPPORT to Julie Goldbomb the bad dare I say 'comedian'.
These two situations are not even in the same hemisphere... and the use of the word
rhetorical is inappropriate here.
A person with a personal life who you as lesbians dont approve of is hardly deserving of being BELITTLED on a public albiet unprofessional forum.
My criticizing Julie Goldbomb is not relevant to such an important issue. As a comedian she put herself outthere..and as a presenter even more so. Basically she does suck and is offensive. Thats my opinion..in your united states of whatever.....
I havent had three post removed...i removed one ...maybe two..whatever who cares they were hardly offensive as it.
By this site allowing this article to remain is a reflection on the very low standards and disgusting what shall I name it..ummm oh there's the word STANDARDS. Yes abusive standards.
No surprising as I see this in the American Lesbian community all the time, god forbid any women try to have an opinion that isnt suburban and u know how i feel...no need to go on.
Why I am wondering , have you the above poster felt so personally attacked by my latest comments anyway..they are directed to no one in particular if not just the EDITORS of this sad board. Which I can say has hopefully lost credibility in the OUT community from posting such an unprofessional article.
Sorry you're so desperate
“Before you responded you needed to read my other posts to see what ground you stood on. lol. Are you afraid I am correct. Which I am by the way.”
Actually, I was trying to determine the depths of your ‘tardation. Surprisingly, it runs deeper than I ever could’ve imagined.
“And to quote you..quoting me "Second, I love the title of your post: “She needs support, not criticism…” That’s awfully selfless of you. Does your generosity of spirit extend to all women everywhere? Never mind – that’s rhetorical. I’ll get back to that in a minute."....from there you went on to compare a person in need of SUPPORT to Julie Goldbomb the bad dare I say 'comedian'. These two situations are not even in the same hemisphere... and the use of the word rhetorical is inappropriate here.”
Awww, I think someone’s got a crush on Anne Heche! I think it’s kinda cute... except for the whole “she’s-out-of-her-fucking-mind” part. Then again, maybe you’re not that discriminating.
Btw, my mentioning the title of your post was not me quoting you. It was me... well, simply typing. And my use of “rhetorical” was entirely appropriate. But since you can barely write in complete sentences, you really shouldn’t be nitpicking at others’ choice of words.
“My criticizing Julie Goldbomb is not relevant to such an important issue. As a comedian she put herself outthere..and as a presenter even more so. Basically she does suck and is offensive.”
I’d argue Anne Heche has equally “put herself out there” – by virtue of being a celebrity and a public figure, and esp by her public acts of insanity (I confess, I personally don’t take any real pleasure in mocking her, but now your post makes me want to tease her mercilessly).
And that there’s some airtight logic you use regarding your criticism of Julie: “Basically she does suck and is offensive.” Wow, I guess you told me, huh? Ever think that people here might feel the same way about Anne Heche? Or are you the only person capable of judging who “sucks and is offensive?”
“By this site allowing this article to remain is a reflection on the very low standards and disgusting what shall I name it..ummm oh there's the word STANDARDS. Yes abusive standards.”
So why are you posting here if it’s “disgusting and has low standards?” OMG, PLEASE tell me it's so that you can show us the error of our ways??!
“No surprising as I see this in the American Lesbian community all the time, god forbid any women try to have an opinion that isnt suburban...”
And see, this is another good reason to read about other people before you simply write stupid shit: there are only a few things in my bio here – one of them is that I live in NYC, so, not suburban. See, it’s good to have some context. And no, I won’t mention your extreme intolerance for others, whether they live in the US or in suburbia.
“Why I am wondering , have you the above poster felt so personally attacked by my latest comments anyway..they are directed to no one in particular if not just the EDITORS of this sad board. Which I can say has hopefully lost credibility in the OUT community from posting such an unprofessional article.”
I didn’t feel personally attacked at all. In fact, I found your posts quite funny, in that “OMG, what a retard!” kinda way. But I highly doubt AE has lost any credibility anywhere as a result of this. Do you really not see the difference between a site like AE and sites like GLAAD or HRC? You DO realize this is a site for pop culture and entertainment, yes? Is humor and sarcasm forbidden in the UAE now? And for the record, this wasn’t an “article” on Anne Heche, it was a blog entry - one woman’s snarky comments about a controversial actress.
That you don’t seem to get any of this only makes it funnier. Again, I thank you for such fabulous amusement today. Esp since this was WAY more fun than cleaning my house!
Awesome
Awesome 2
LMAO !
Thank you for that fabulous read. Sense of humor is so sexy in a woman, and i now have a crush on "zee".
National Treasure
what
ok I said "it just seems" ....seems being the key word. I have seen and heard lesbians say "at least she could have left her for a woman" or something similar to that. Implying that leaving the female/female relationship for a man added insult to injury. Also I know from personal experience, that some men are more upset when they find out the person you are leaving them for is a woman. They could deal with you leaving the relationship for another man, but when they find out it's a woman they flip!
And since you replied to my comment I'll answer that last part. I have never had a relationship with Anne Heche. I would never want to. As I said in my previous post, I don't like Anne Heche, but I don't dislike her either. I don't really care either way.
People on this thread are taking this all too seriously. Snarker just posted a blog of her personal opinion on some information she found out about Anne Heche . She didn't write an indepth article in the New York Times! Can everyone stop with all the personal attacks? (gali I'm not saying your reply was an attack. I'm refering to the other posts)
Reign, just to clarify!
i guess I just misunderstood the line but I was fed up with the assumption that every lesbian finds it more hurtful to be left for a man than a woman as I am a lesbian who feels the opposite! ( having experienced both)
And my remark on a relationship with anne heche was in connection with this "left for a man syndrome" and directed at the people who seem to have such anger towards heche as if she left them personally for a man. So actually I was on your side in this. :)
this is me
on the outside: Dude, word.
on the inside: ---> :::jumping excitedly up and down, pointing at Z's post, applauding while trying not to happy piddle on myself:::
sincerely,
an admiring fat schizophric, in flip-flops, no less
Snarky!
Personally I also, obviously, have a problem with this blog in general, so julez...I see your point! unfortunately I didn't see much difference between what dorothy snarker does and your posts!
Both are dishing people for no better reason than personal dislike. I find it annoyingly negative whether it is done to lesbian, gay, straight or bisexual people. I understand it's just blog-entries but are there really no better subjects to be snarky about?
And before you all presume I don't appriciate snark I have to say I love Zee's posts in general! She seems to be able to be snarky about anything instead of only focusing on some person she doesn't like!
hmmm...
I think there’s a fair amount of dishing overall on this site. And I suspect most people enjoy it (I, for one, wouldn’t have it any other way). But I’m surprised that you find this worse than any other given thread here. And while I’m sure Dorothy can speak for herself, the only thing she really said was something about Anne being “nuttier than a fruitcake.” That doesn’t seem horrible to me (and there’s more than a grain of truth in that, confirmed by AH herself).
That’s not the same as posting an all-out relentless attack on someone. Dorothy didn’t write something like “what a stupid, skinny, twisted, blonde bitch Anne Heche is!” Over and over again. Also, I didn’t get that whatever Dorothy wrote was out of some personal dislike of AH. Of course, that’s JMO. Others are free to weigh in.
easy targets!
As I understand it, the intend of this blog is to entertain with snark?
I personally just don't like it when someone chooses to try and achieve this by taking some celeb and be "snarky" about this person or something this person said ( especially when it is hearsay). It's too easy IMO! It doesn't matter whether she calls someone skinny or stupid or nuttier than a fruitcake! Nor whether it is actually true. I would just like to see a little more intellectual effort from someone working for this site!
Especially since sarah warn herself was talking about the choice of reporting gossip or not. I don't understand why regular gossip is not liked but snarky gossip is?
As an example I'd like to refer to, for instance, "social studies" by fran leibowitz. A whole book of snark on a lot of different subjects or even personality types without resorting to just singling out some famous individual.
All of it just my opinion ofcourse!
And, for the record, all this is irregardless of which celeb is the subject!
to snark or not to snark...
I don’t know if there’s an “intent” to this blog - you’d have to ask the author.
And it’s perfectly fine if you don’t like celeb snark, tho I wonder then why you’d read a blog by someone named ‘Snarker’! ; )
I think snark is in the eye (mouth?) of the be-snarker. True, this kind of humor’s not for everyone. Myself, I didn’t have a choice, as I was weaned on it. Plus, I’m just a wise ass in general, so...
Speaking only for myself, I don’t differentiate bet gay/straight/bi whatever. If you’re in the public eye, for better or worse, you’re considered fair game in my book. And I find regular old gossip to be boring – I don’t care that much about anyone famous (with the possible exception of politicians/policy makers). As far as “easy targets,” I tend to agree – but that’s my personal opinion. For example, I don’t have a lot to say about Paris Hilton, because...why? Tho someone did get upset with me recently for calling her “a waste of skin” (which is about all I do have to say about her).
But if you want to differentiate, you’d have to define the difference bet "regular gossip” and "snarky gossip.” And I personally don’t wanna deconstruct it like that. Takes the fun out of it for me.
And the inimitable Fran Leibowitz! You know I love her as well – and yes, she seems to be more general in her snark spread, but I don’t care if someone singles out an individual. Esp if said snark is warranted. And let’s face it: in today’s world of celebutards, reality TV “stars,” and ‘look-at-me!’ culture, there’s just a wealth of material out there. I, for one, am happy to capitalize on it.
choices
Well, like I said...I like snark, so naturally I would read a blog by someone named snarker. I am just somewhat dissappointed in the choice of subjectmatter.
As for the gossip...my point is that I do not see a difference. I think they are both nasty when they are out to hurt somebody! And I am sure you are aware that snark when overheard by the subject could be hurtful. Why do this when you can go around and be as snarky as you want without hurting anybody specifically?
Yes, lots of people enjoy to do this and lots of people enjoy to hear/read it! And yes, I absolutely agree that lots of people set themselves up for it! Are practically begging for it in fact!
This doesn't mean one has to do it and I for one am always dissappointed in anyone who chooses to go around being potentialy hurtful to someone they don't know and who certainly didn't try to intentionally hurt them in the first place.
To be really oldfashioned about it...it's just not nice!
But to anyone who does enjoy this kind of thing I have to say...Hey, your choice!
This is just one woman's opinion!
"it's just not nice!"
Well, if you’re gonna be “old-fashioned” about it, what can I say? I’m just not an old-fashioned kind of girl...
But maybe we should let Ms. Snarker’s blog just rest now. We got way OT.
Besides, someone else might wanna bash Anne....
; )
"kay
but I haven't even used the l word yet! ;)
(just to end in a fitting manner!):)
OK, so what was this blog
OK, so what was this blog about again? Oh yeah. That Anne Heche! Some kind of crazy, hey?!! (Laughs nervously. Backs away from other posters.)
Not Only But Also
one more....
No, no need to back away! I usually do play nice with others. Really. But are you sure you don’t wanna take another shot at Anne?? Come on, one more - you know you wanna!
Ok, I’ll start – since some people think we should be helping Anne here, I’m posting this info. I hope she finds it helpful:
The Psychiatric Hotline – 555-BAT-SHIT:
If you are obsessive-compulsive, please press 1 repeatedly.
If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2.
If you have multiple personalities, please press 3, 4, 5, and 6.
If you are paranoid-delusional, we know who you are and what you want. Just stay on the line so we can trace the call.
If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a little voice will tell you which number to press.
If you are manic-depressive, it doesn't matter which number you press. No one will answer.
If you are anxious, just start pressing numbers at random.
If you are phobic, don't press anything.
If you are anal retentive, please hold.