The skinny on teenage actressesAre the casts of today's teen shows too skinny? I think it was Entertainment Weekly's PopWatch blog that first notified me that this perennial hot topic was back in circulation. My answer: Yes. While giddily soaking in the premiere of the new 90210, I couldn't help but be horrified by how much the female half of West Beverly had shrunk since Brenda and Brandon first stepped out of Mondale 18 years ago. My middle-school peers and I had plenty of pop culture-exacerbated body issues back then, but at least Shannen Doherty looked like a thin someone-you-might-actually-know.
But her healthy Midwestern frame, sadly, did not last. I'm sure I'm not the only one who gasped when Doherty assumed her Robert Palmer mannequin position next to Kelly and Donna as Emily Valentine crooned "Breaking Up is Hard to Do" in the Season 3 premiere — when did Doherty whittle her thighs down to sub-Tori Spelling proportions? The girl had ambition, and the connection between drive and weight loss is even more pronounced in Hollywood than in the rest of the country. Shannon isn't the only teen-show actress who shrank over the course of the seasons. It makes me sad as I watch initially luscious Sarah Michelle Gellar become increasingly skeletal as I progress through my Buffy DVD collection. In her case, it fits with the character (dying twice and multiple apocalypses will take it outta you), and she was still hot (I mean, she's Buffy the freakin' Vampire Slayer), but how I would have loved to see the world saved by a girl who looked like she ate.
As for the casts of the new 90210, Gossip Girl and the rest of today's shows, it just keeps getting worse, doesn't it? These girls are doing amazing things with thigh-gaps. I mean, who knew you could fit so much space between femurs without cutting right into the bone? It's scary. These shows are pushing girls in the viewing audience to increasingly extreme levels of fat phobia and giving them absurdly impossible models of hotness — and this isn't even like ansgty smoking on TV, something that looks hot that's bad for you IRL. Even with the makeup and the lighting (and the camera supposedly adding 10 pounds), these pretty girls look like they're starving, and that's really not my special fetish. Call me a whack-job, but I tend to think people look their best when they are healthy and happy, whatever size they may be.
We can’t place all the blame on the CW, however. We live in a country where there’s talk of an "obesity epidemic" while our government denies us a universal right to health care. The cultural scapegoating of larger people for our nation’s ills is as much to blame as the fashion industry or whatever easy, limited target on which we could set our sights. At any rate, there should be an emphasis on health, not the shrinking circumference, of our general population, as well as our teen stars. Submitted by on September 19, 2008 - 5:00pm. |
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I personally don't think
I personally don't think it's just in the tv shows. It's in high school too, especially among causcasians.
I moved to a new school that was farther in the city and the girls in general are 20 lbs thinner. Some of them almost look ready to float away.
And i'm not going to lie. I think subconsciously I feel the pressure because i lost my appetite since starting school here and without really trying dropped 10 lbs.
I'm not a person who cares much about weight. I used to have problems with it but the last year I turned that obsession with weight to eating natural healthy foods. But now there's girls that look like they have to be starving to be thin.
And no, it's isn't just freshman youthfulness.
The sad thing is, like I said, it's only with white girls. The other racial groups seems much more diverse.
Eat a Double Cheeseburger
Oddly enough, I just read this story about Penn Badgley (aka Dan from Gossip Girl):
I guess it's all about degrees.
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"The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right..." - Judge Learned Hand, The Spirit of Liberty
So wrong...
I'm sorry, but the whole Penn Badgley thing really pissed me off. Are you telling me that Blake Lively eats a double-cheeseburger...please. He is dating the poster child for the perfect blonde stereotype. And you're right, the girls from Gossip Girl are no better.
"I hate people, they hate me. So doesn't that classify as a healthy, functioning relationship?"
Hmmm. I don't really think
Hmmm. I don't really think the Gossip Girls are that significantly larger.
That old 90210 pic is crazy though! I don't think I have watched a new show where the chicks were that proportioned, other than Gilmore Girls. Loralei looked well proportioned (oh, yeah, and she was totally hot).
size is all that matters..
well, it is not just television or movies. the display dummies used at H&M or Mango certainly wear sizes like extra small and smaller. not to speak of living mannequins..
and because its a no-no to reveal your size if its larger than medium, girls force themselves into smaller sizes, not to their advantage.
and that old pic of 90210 is creepy because of the fashion. why did they have to force brenda's feminin curves into such a horrible pair of trousers??? those make everyone look everything but well-proportioned.
yes! Those are a HORRIBLE
I have to admit...
just a no-go fashion..
that pic is indeed very mh, graphic so to speak.
i am just very grateful not to have been born earlier so that i missed out on that fashion - well, at least most of it.. ah well, i miss out on most fashion trends anyway i guess 0:-)
Actually my main issue with
Actually my main issue with these teenage shows set in highschool is that very few of the actors look like they're actually in highschool!
I mean, I think to an extent that the media does give this image of skinny is good. But I also think that its somewhat people telling us the media tells us that they have unreasonable standards and that all girls feel like they should be thinner. Reverse psychology (I swear I'm not crazy)
And I thought I was the
And I thought I was the only one that noticed Buffy suddenly dropping half her body mass between seasons 3 and 4....
Dude, I talk to people about
And it wasn't just Buffy -
And it wasn't just Buffy - Willow, Anya, Dawn, they were all at it. SMG was especially bony though.
I have this little romantic idea that the reason Whedon asked Jewel Staite to be heavier in Firefly was that he felt so ashamed about his "feminist icon" show turning into a stick gallery.
It's a shame
that the media portrays this as perfection. I have friends in high school striving to have "the model look," when I personally think they look fine the way they are. There are others who are ridiculously thin and claim that they are fat. It's sad that, as youth, we are so susceptible to what is placed before us. It's not only on the CW - it is on any show directed towards this demographic of youth.
Personally, I find it disgusting that people strive to fit into a size 1 when they look better in a size 5, or 6, or - Lord forbid - a 10. I love women who are proud of whatever size they are - whether a 2 or a 22. Beauty is not just what we all see - it is more about who you are than what you look like. If only society would stop trying to sell us this idea that twigs are attractive. Of course, those who are naturally thin are excluded - you can't criticize. However, it is obvious that these girls are not naturally thin but forced to conform to what they told is beautiful.
"You can never be too rich or too thin"...
I do not understand this beauty standard of being white and really thin in the Hollywood scene. I usually brush it off but since this could affect the esteem of my younger cousin who is not white and really thin, it's a problem.
The one thing that irks me is the underlying wealth that seems to tie in with being really thin. Notice Gossip Girl and this show portray wealthy young white women who have a lot of money as a sign of status. We live in a culture (USA) that lives beyond our means (look at the economy). This only compliments it by trying to look they way we are not genetically built.
I might be affected by other things that are silly and superficial, but not this.
Another thing that would be interesting is to discuss the beauty standards across cultural lines. I would be very interested to see what beauty standards that hold in other parts of the world.
true.
I do not understand this beauty standard of being white and really thin in the Hollywood scene...one thing that irks me is the underlying wealth that seems to tie in with being really thin.
This is really really true. There's definitely a cultural association between, whiteness, wealth and thinness, all of the above being things everyone is supposed to want, and the white supremecist, capitalist patriachy that is the US shoves this unattainable model down our throats at every turn, and not just on TV.
I like this interview which addresses how racism, classism and fat phobia intertwine in the war on obesity, which is what we get instead of a goverment that is actually concerned with the health of all the people they are supposed to serve.
Thanks for the link...
The interview pretty much affirmed my ideas on why this trend for skinny white women in Hollywood exists, and those trying to aspire to it. I remember I was talking to a friend about it and she blamed gay men, but I will send her this article.
Reading the interview it makes so much sense.
Speaking of Alice, I have noticed it too and with Buffy wtf?
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but Jenny gained weight (boobage, which is a VERY lovely thing) from season's 1-4, and I enjoy it.
Not just teens ...
Personally, I like curves. Big breasts, a curvy must hold in my hands bottom. In fact, I now have stuck replaying in my mind the song by Mr Mixalot's 'Baby got back' ... "I love big buts and I can not lie!"
Then, in the end ... the outside appeal may first attract my attention and have my hormones on alert, but it is the woman’s personality that wins me over, thus I remain a Leisha/Alice fan.
I know I am not alone in liking busty and larger women on TV. For example: When Pam as Kit, leans back against the car to entice and show her appreciation of Ivan’s work on her car … “oy!” is all I can say about that.
won't somebody please think of the children
When most people think "eating disorder" (and by "most people" I mean me and my friends) they think of a skinny, white, teenage girl with control issues, and a bad haircut. But this nationwide problem is starting way sooner then the hell known as high school.
I currently live with my older sister and her family and often watch after the little ones while my sis and her hubby go out for some grown up time. I was completely shocked into silence one day when I offered my eldest niece some oreo's and a glass of milk and her response was, "Paige, I can't eat that. I'm on a diet because I'm fat." The reason why I was so shocked is because my eldest niece is only SEVEN YEARS OLD.
Body image issues have become pretty out of control when it comes to teenage girls who are willing to do just about anything to lose the extra ten to twenty pounds to look like a glorified crack addict, but when those same issues start effecting someone who's main concern should be trying to scam their parents into letting them stay up past their bedtime, it's definitely time to redefine this thing called "beauty".
Where to begin...
I applaud AfterEllen for taking the initiative to address the weight issues within the media. I know this is a redundant issue, but it’s important none the less.
I personally find the Sara Ramirez’s of the world attractive. I also find girls that are tall and actually have proportion to them attractive as well. For example, I’ve heard our beloved Bridget McManus compare herself to all the girls she’s friends with. I’ve bore witness to her saying she’s not skinny like all her other friends. I in turn, wanted to slap the snot out of her.
For her to weight 100lbs at her height would be wrong on so many levels. Bridget honey you are like 5’8, you aren’t supposed to look like a pencil. I mean who on earth would call her fat? Point me too them and I’ll kill them. I bet if I met Bridget in real life, I’d want to shove a biscuit in her mouth. I know she’s skinnier then she is on camera. It just irritates the crap out of me that she's been made to feel like she's anything less then the goddess she really is.
And I’m not saying that every woman should look the same. But we should at least do something for ourselves and not the general public. I’m a big girl myself and I know I could never weight 100lbs in my wildest dreams. I would have to discontinue eating all together. But I also know that I don’t want to be that. I want to be happy and healthy, not underweight and scary. And just to clarify, you don’t have to weight a certain amount to be healthy. Muscle weights more than fat. Bah! This topic angers me.
And don't get me started on the stereotyping with minorities. You know what I say to that, f**k anyone who's that small-minded! I apologize for my bluntness but it's how I feel. Last time I checked, people came in all shapes and sizes regardless of their ethnic background. And I've met a good number of black women that are just as skinny as some of these white girls. So don't feed me this line of bull about minorities rising above the pressure. All young people feel the weight pressure. I just think there are those who are fortunate enough not to have fallen into the trap.
"I hate people, they hate me. So doesn't that classify as a healthy, functioning relationship?"I never take interest with
I run a forum for people
I run a forum for people recovering/suffering from eating disorders and I definitely think that seeing increasingly skinny celebrities has a huge influence on people's self esteem. They feel like that's what they have to look like to be beautiful, and to live the glamorous lives of celebs. I think in a society where there's so much pressure on how you look, I think the main thing people feel they are in control of is their weight, and it can quite easily get out of hand.
I do however think that there is a considerable proportion of people who are naturally quite thinly built. However I think you can tell the difference between someone who is naturally slight, and someone who is unhealthy.
under 100 at 5"3"
Im someone who enjoys curves on women, and would love them on myself, unfortunately i have a medical condition that inhibits my body from retaining fats from foods (as well as nutrients). Lately I've even gone in the hospital on iv tpn and lipids to get my weight over 100, but once im off it i can't get over 95lbs. Thankfully i can do weight training a little bit so i dont look scarily thin, but it bothers me when people assume that because i wear a 00 im aneorexic or bulemic.
but back to the original topic. this isn't a new problem. when magazines take 2 photos of the same person in the same place but at different angles then put on 2 different covers "so-and-so gains mysterious 30lbs, needs a diet" and the other one says "so-and-so's dramatic weight loss, did they go too far?" we perpetuate the problem as consumers. of course we want to see beauty on our tvs and magazine covers, but its up to us to decide what that beauty is. Things only sell because we buy them. We shouldn't be sitting our children in front of these tv shows in the first place... really? you want your 7 year old watching a guy get a bj in the parking lot of his highschool? maybe if we started parenting our children properly instead of plopping them down in front of the tv or maybe give them a book to read instead of a magazine we could instill some better values.
I focus on the dopeness, while you focus on the wackness
Teen shows reflect life that
imitating or influencing real life?
i mean...i have always sided with the argument that entertainment imitates real life...but in this case, has the coin flipped? is it entertainment that is influencing reality now? when did it change? and is this only reflected in appearance or has content changed too? the relationship between the two fascinates me.
"you do what you have to do so you can do what you want to do."
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There is a stigma attached to being thin
So, I am 5'9 and probably 120lb. People always gave me a hard time growing up because I was so scrawny. I still am pretty scrawny, but now I have hips and stuff so I look a bit healthier. I know people think that overweight people are the only ones who get ridiculed about their weight, but that is not true. People always used to say "Oh my god, you are sooooo skinny," or "haha nice chicken legs," among other things. It appears to me that people don't think twice about making fun of someone for looking "too thin" where many people will not go up to an overweight person and say those same comments. I had a hard time growing up being super skinny and lanky. I felt ugly and awkward. Thankfully since then I have built self-esteem, and I accept and enjoy myself the way I am.
My point is, there is a stigma attached to being thin, and not everyone who is thin chooses to be that way
Agreed
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haha, people think I am in high school too.
haha i agree so much. i am 20 and people think I am 15. i am a junior in college and people also think I am still in high school, but I think it is funny. I show a lot of people my ID because they do not believe me. Oh well, when we are older we will appreciate it, at least that is what I tell myself :)
lol
People tell me that all the time. That when I get older I'll look young. I don't see how this is a good thing. I don't care that I will look older when I am actually old. Then people would be like "man, shes trying to look young". Its a lose lose situation haha.
I see where you are coming from...
I realize there is also a negative stigma attached to being thin. However socially, it’s more acceptable to be too thin then too fat. At least that’s how it has always been in the world I live in. I’d say the awareness of eating disorders and attacks on the media for promoting unhealthy body image have really only been public for about 10 plus years.
I’ve been close with people in the past that suffer from medical conditions that prevent them from gaining weight. I also have a medical condition that not only affects my ability to loose weight but my emotional state. I’ve heard their stories and they’ve heard mine. And you’re right. Most people don’t have the balls to call me fat to my face. However, they sure don’t mind talking about me to those around them. But they are keeping it to themselves, so they think there’s nothing wrong with that. Never mind the fact that I can always spot those people talking about me a mile away.
I’ve also discovered that most people don’t even bat an eyelash when they tell someone they are skinny. Why, because most of the people that are busy telling us how imperfect we all are in this world, are the same people that spread the rumor that “you can never be too thin.” I realize there is the occasional bully whose sole purpose in life is to make you feel miserable about yourself. But I truly think most people don’t see that what they are saying to you can be considered negative. And for that I empathize with you. It always seems like we can never be perfect in people’s eyes. This is why I’m all about being healthy for yourself not others.
I was improperly diagnosed with my thyroid condition until the age of 20. Then I went for years without health insurance. So not only did my weight slow me down but my depression went untreated and I became a mess. So really the writer of this article is correct. How does the world expect their people to be healthy, when our governments don’t stand behind us? For some, it’s more then poor parenting. It’s a medical condition, the food in our schools, the fast food industry, and the lack of proper nutritional education. I also think a healthy dose of encouragement is much needed. I would have killed for someone to have positively motivated me when I was in school, instead of always telling me how ugly and fat I was. A kind word takes nothing more then a minute to get out but its affects can stay with you forever.
I think we can all agree that most of us grew up with a certain sense of awkwardness. It doesn’t necessarily start or end with weight. With years comes wisdom. And hopefully with that wisdom comes appreciation for ones self.
"I hate people, they hate me. So doesn't that classify as a healthy, functioning relationship?"
yeah...
I hate when people call other people fat. Its like ugh get over yourself. I'm sure you don't like people talking about you, why do it to other people?
And I do agree that people think that being skinny is more accepting than being fat. I love all shapes and sizes. Being different is great...but it sucks that most people don't think this way.
i agree
I agree with what you are saying. It seems that people today attack eachother so much instead of learning about eachother and becoming humble individuals.
"I think we can all agree that most of us grew up with a certain sense of awkwardness. It doesn’t necessarily start or end with weight. With years comes wisdom. And hopefully with that wisdom comes appreciation for ones self."
^ Your statement is so true. My friends and I were reminising on middle school, and how those are the most awkward years of our lives. We had just begun growing into new bodies, feeling hormones, and trying to be "cool," yeah, my friends and I were cracking up laughing thinking of how embarrasing EVERYTHING was in those days. Years later and I dont really care what people think about me. I still care, but only about 15% as much as I used to. Isnt it funny how things change in time.
It's really terrible how the
Second season disease
Dropping pounds between Seasons One and Two seems to be de rigeur these days. Look at The L Word. Only Shane was skinny in Season 1; by Season 2 the entire cast (save Pam Grier) was bordering on unhealthily thin. Erin Daniels was the most notable - meaty(ish) and sexy in the first season, angular and bony in the second - which was just ridiculous, given that she was playing a professional athlete.
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thinspiration
it's thinspiration...it's spreading like a plague. people should understand that being skinny doesn't necessary mean you're healthy. like you can be on the plump side and still be healthier than all your skinny buddies. personally...i like a little meat on my lover ;) it pains me to see how my friends starve themselves to their desired weight. it's just not right. and it doesn't help either...with all the size 0 clothes or clothes labelled as "skinny fit".
rather than strive to be skinny...how about we strive to be healthy?
Am I gay? I'm ecstatic!
90210 casting
Fashion change
I do agree with all of you guys, but one thing is true: fashion is changing all time, so we can't compare with people or picture like the original 90210 cast.
Nowadays actresses are skinny because that's what people want to see, or at least what people in movies and TV business wants to see, so if we want this to change we have to say it!!!
About the Buffy cast, yes Sarah was skinny just because SHE'S SKINNY, I mean she's really small and tiny person and she does a lot of exercise to keep her height, but the rest of Buffy's cast? they weren't so skinny buy honestly, for me the best was Amber ( Tara )
On the other hand, that I think no one has mentioned is one of our favourite TV girls, Gabrielle Christian. I mean you look at her now and she's skinnier every day, and even she looks gorgeous I think she was better in the second season of South Of Nowhere, don't you think??
But what is completely true is that in real life, or at least our real life, we don't see skinny girls like this.
Too Thin?
I think calling people out for being "too thin" is just as wrong as saying people are "too fat". I mean, alot of the time, people really cannot control their weight because of their lifestyle. I do field hockey and track, and no matter how much I eat, it keeps my weight very low - which I often recieve negative comments about from my peers. Someone having a problem with a show just because the actors/actresses on it are very thin seems strange to me, especially because I think all of those girls look fine.
Some people look better with less weight, and some look better with more - but as long as people are relativly healthy, as these actresses all seem to be - I think everyone should just enjoy the aesthetics.
I agree with
I agree with Spatula.
It's not any more fair to tell someone they're too skinny than it is to walk up to a girl and say "you're too fat. you don't look healthy." It's like people feel they have some right to criticize the thin girls.
I'm 5'6" 125 and I was naturally 115 all through high school. I wore a size 0-2 and so did a lot of my friends. I don't think these girls on tv are misrepresenting anything. They don't look too skinny at all to me. I don't think that a large majority of "popular" high school girls are a bigger than the tv versions, I just think it's the large girls who complain.
Interesting that you would say that...
"I hate people, they hate me. So doesn't that classify as a healthy, functioning relationship?"
Oy!
I find articles like this funny especially when it comes to women and weight. A "target" is identified for being either too thin or too big and then the "identity politics" of whose weight is being oppressed the most or the gravity of stigma they face due to their weight.
To add my personal view on "I'm X amount of pounds and XYZ sucks for me too because....": Everyone is different and people will judge. Thank you. (I am not trivializing anyone's life experiences, but rather looking at it a different way since this conversation of women and weight has been brought up many times and nothing really to me is discussed other than personal testimonies of struggle with weight).
What is rarely talked about in an article like this is the demnsion of wealth within the issues of weight. As I said before there seems to be a link with being thin and well off. Since this site has talked about issues dealing with class, race, etc. it would be interesting if someone took a look at the role of being thin and rich, which is another dynamic that plagues a lot of the teen shows.
I for one would find the discussion much more fufilling than reading "Well I'm skinny/fat and I get shit..." or "So-an-so lost soo much weight looks great/gross!" It would put an interesting look in to this whole weight issue that we tend to focus on a lot and find something interesting.
Am I asking for too much?
I agree!
The Paris Hiltons of the world have no idea what it’s like to go to the grocery store and struggle just to buy fruits and vegetables. I don’t know about the rest of you, but here in Iowa it costs a fortune to buy fresh produce. God I’d kill to make my own salads to take to work, but I can’t do it with my bills. It’s cheaper and less time-consuming to be unhealthy and that’s sad! I mean, working out is great. You can basically do that by walking around the block however many times you desire. But you aren't going to loose weight if you can't afford to eat properly.
"I hate people, they hate me. So doesn't that classify as a healthy, functioning relationship?"
I agree to a point
Another great point...
You know you might be the first person to bring up this point. There is a HUGE problem (no pun intended) with poor nutrition among America’s youth and it needs to be addressed. When I was in college, I actually read a disturbing paper about support groups designed to promote obesity within the world. Now I’m all for keeping a positive self-image, but that’s wrong. That’s like starting a support group to encourage people to remain alcoholics.
Healthy nutrition should start at home. But I’ve found most parents don’t know how to go about it. It’s easier and cheaper to buy pre-packaged foods then it is to prepare it yourself. You also have an ever increasing amount of children fending for themselves. I’m not saying people are terrible parents, it’s just finding time to take a breath is nearly impossible let alone prepare a meal for your family. When you’re young you really don’t understand why your parents won’t always get up and entertain you. But boy you hit the age where you work 8-5 and you get it. When I get off work I'm so drained that all I want to do is crash.
But our schools also need to take an initative and they don’t. You hear about these places that push for better foods in their vending machines but I have yet to see them. I can still walk in my high school and see the machines filled with every kind of pop, candy, chips, and cookies known to man. And on one hand you have people that would truly eat things like string cheese, apples, milk, and juice out of a vending machine. But on the other hand you have teenagers that wouldn’t touch that stuff if you paid them. I’m actually surprised by how many people I’m friends with that won’t eat a vegetable to save their lives.
I’ve found that talking about loosing weight is a lot like talking about quitting smoking. People know it’s terrible to be over weight but they either don’t want to hear it, can’t afford to maintain the healthy lifestyle, or quite frankly don’t care.
"I hate people, they hate me. So doesn't that classify as a healthy, functioning relationship?"
How refreshing....
Finally someone who talks about something else other than numbers on a scale!
I like the fact that you bring up health and wealth and how they are linked together. There is a history of the trends of food we eat are linked to our economic background and not many know or care to find out about it. I think at times people are too focused on themselves to realize the bigger pitcure about this "witch-hunt" of stars that are "too" thin. We argue up and down about beauty standards, our personal taste and opinions and still end up having a shallow discussion about the issue of weight.
I for one live in an area with all kinds of alternatives, but depending on how much money you make, it's either Whole Foods or McDonalds. Genetics is one thing, but your environment has an affect on your overall health. Malnutrition is indiscriminate of bmi and both small and large people can be malnurished.
I'm so glad to see this
I'm so glad to see this stuff come up in the comments.
In the original version of my original post, which I guess was too long and unwieldly, I touched on malnutrition and access to nutrious food as being a part of a problem that is way bigger than "F the CW, their stars are too thin". I tried to connect the cult of skinny rich white girls to governmental policy, and talk about the myriad of obstacles in the way of health that aren't solved by finger waving about how people eat too much...touching on environmental racism, etc etc etc.
Malnutrition is indiscriminate of bmi and both small and large people can be malnurished.
Thank you.
We argue up and down about beauty standards, our personal taste and opinions and still end up having a shallow discussion about the issue of weight.
Agreed.
I really don't
I really don't understand why you would talk about the country's "obesity epidemic" like it's not a serious issue
I think the term "obesity epidemic" is misleading and serves to justify the oppression of a sector of the population--those considered "overweight"--and erase the fact that the relationship between weight and health is more complicated than heavier=worse, thinner = better.
see, for example:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/health/19well.html?_r=1&em&oref=slogin