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Dumbledore, Shmumbledore — where are the lesbians?

You've probably heard the news by now. On Friday night, J.K. Rowling told a packed Carnegie Hall audience that Albus Dumbledore, Headmaster of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, is (was?) gay. More specifically, in response to the question of whether Dumbledore had ever found true love, Rowling responded that he was gay and that he had a thing for onetime friend and then mortal enemy Gellert Grindewald. (You can read a full transcript of the question and answer session here.)

I had hoped to be at this event, but my sweepstakes entry was not one of the 1,000 selected. Like the other 49,000 rejects, I had to read about the big revelation the next day. From both a character and big-picture perspective, this posthumous outing is significant. Not only did Rowling disclose that the most influential and talented wizard in the modern magical Harry Potter world was gay, but she affirmed something that was not at all clear in the books — that GLBT folks (or at least “G” wizards) exist in that world.

I find it encouraging that the audience reacted with applause (and some shock). And Rowling's response to that was, “If I'd known it would make you so happy, I'd have announced it years ago.” That would have been nice. Of course, some gay fans are happy about the revelation, and others see it as either downright negative or too little too late. And AfterElton.com readers, of course, have their range of reactions. My favorite comment (which I read on another site) was, “Oh good, now all the fictional, closeted gay wizards of the world have a role model.”

At the event, Rowling also had the presence of mind to note, “Oh, my god, the fan fiction now, eh?”

“The fan fiction” is right. The Harry Potter fan fiction and shipper sites are prolific, to say the least. [Note: Click at your own risk — some of the stories are pretty graphic.] There are more than 300,000 Harry Potter stories on fanfiction.net. (For comparison, Buffy has approximately 31,000 stories, Xena has approximately 1,500 stories and The Flying Nun has eight.) Much of the fantasizing has focused on Harry/Hermione vs. Harry/Ginny pairings. But lots of writers want to see some same-sex action. Remus/Sirius is a favorite, as is Harry/Draco. And there was at least one lesbian reader who implored Rowling to include a gay or lesbian character in book 7, via a very earnest (and largely unsigned) web petition.

But talking about the boys gets old. Let's get to the real question: Who are the lesbians?

Again, Rowling has acknowledged that same-sex attraction exists in the world she created, so there must be some dykes out there. Some of the fan fiction writers have explored this realm, and Ginny Weasley seems to be a favorite subject of speculation.

I don't really buy this. She fell for Harry the moment she laid her eyes upon his scar. (I suppose she could have been a precocious LUG while she was waiting for Harry, but I'm far from convinced.) And Hermione, of course, would have been great in her brainy, political, cat-loving way, but she's Rowling's (loose) alter-ego and was fated for Ron early on.

The unmarried adults — the teachers in particular — are generally blank slates, so I find it easier to attribute lesbian archetypal-ness to them.

Tonks had so much early potential. Remember how she was introduced?

“She looked the youngest there; she had a pale heart-shaped face, dark twinkling eyes, and short spiky hair that was a violent shade of violet.”

Violet hair!

Unfortunately, this early promise was frittered away when she and Lupin became an item. Alas. (But anyone who hooks up with a werewolf has to fall somewhere on the spectrum of queer!)

Then there's Madame Hooch, the Quidditch ref and flying instructor (i.e., gym teacher). I think she's a pretty safe bet. And Professor Trelawney could have the flaky, New Age, hippie-lesbian thing going on. (But that might just be me wanting Emma Thompson to be a lesbian.)

Ultimately, though, if I had to pick just one, I'd have to go with Professor Minerva McGonagall.

She's strong and confident; there's never been a mention of Mr. McGonagall; and her animagus form is that of a cat. With markings for her glasses. (Some might think it a bit much to have the top Hogwarts witch and wizard be gay, but if you've ever worked in a dorm, you know that residential life staffs are full of us.)

That's my analysis. Which witches do you think were, could be, or should have been lesbians?

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  • Walking_Contradiction's picture

    I'll be one of the first to

    I'll be one of the first to admit it...I am a fanficer. I actually read a fic once where McGonagall and Trelawny were an item...was actually a decent fic. I've always thought McGonagall had lesbian potential...she gets my top vote. Second among the staff would have to be Hooch...as you already pointed out. Among the students...Lavender and Pavrati were awfully close "friends".

     

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    smithie's picture

    screw the canon

    ginny weasleyyyyy
    TheDoomMerchant's picture

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    Word.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    [The man of knowledge must be able not only to love his enemies, but also to hate his friends.]

    ackat's picture

    McGonagall!

    If I were to pick anyone it would certainly be McGonagall. Of course I just love Maggie Smith so there is that...

    (Some might think it a bit much to have the top Hogwarts witch and wizard be gay, but if you've ever worked in a dorm, you know that residential life staffs are full of us.)

    Being an Assistant Director of Res Life, I can attest to that.

    Xanadugrrl's picture

    No kidding

    And being a current hall director, I can second that notion....Res Life is chock full of family!
    Ladyhawk1709's picture

    I never thought about Sirius

    I never thought about Sirius and Lupin that way, but it seems I was the only one... I had high hopes for Tonks too, I was convinced she was gay, until the whole Lupin thing. McGonagall is my bet though, as you said, there's never been a Mr. McGonagall, and the cat thing... Yup, she gets my vote.
    undrcovridgr's picture

    Tonks!

    Lupin was just an experiment! 

     

    Lisa

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    ryath's picture

    Totally!

    From the moment she appeared in the books, Tonks was a dyke for me, full-blooded and lesbian!

    When she was written as hooking up with Lupin ... well, nah, just couldn't accept that. I think it was a mistake, an experiment, and I am sticking by that! :) 

    ff6fiend666's picture

    harry potter femslash...

    I'm not too picky about ships I read in harry potter I'll read anything that sounds interesting which has lead to emotional scaring in the past. none of the hp femslash fics I've read are really my type of read, and I've read a lot. relativly no action or adventure, which is why I usually stick to anime or video game yuri fics where characters kick ass on a regular basis.
    junglequeen's picture

    the first female death eater!

    bellatrix lestrange, duh!

    Emmanescence's picture

    Yes!

    100000000% with you, for no other reason then the lady in the picture...

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    stuntdouble's picture

    awesomer and awesomer

    Here's what JKR said at her press conference this morning:

    “I know that it was a positive thing that I said it for at least one person because one man came out at Carnegie Hall.”

     

    And, yeah, McGonagall? Absolutely a lesbian.

    wired's picture

    Potter Girls

    I have to admit I haven't read Harry Potter in awhile...but I always thought Katie Bell and Alicia Spinnet were close.  Too close....possible "more then friends"?  Also girls in sports?  Why not?   I thought I'd seen some fanfic slash with Hermione in it when the books first came out.  
    Radical Bradacal's picture

    oh the possibilities!

    First of all, Bellatrix is in love with the Voldemort. Sick as that is, it's a major point in Book 7.

    I think you're right on with the Professor's - especially Hootch and McGonagall. They would have been my first guess (and often, they were). And any woman as into plants as Prof. Sprout, it should really have been tattooed across her forehead. Speaking of which, and perhaps ironically, the woman who plays Professor Sprout in the films, Miriam Margolyes, is a lesbian. Mistake? I think not.

    I also think there are many students who have potential; peripheral characters who flit in and out. You just KNOW that being in an all girl's dorm on those lonely and cold British nights must have fueled SOME kind bed-hopping tendencies. Especially (as you've already alluded to) among Quidditch players. Katie Bell and Alicia Spinnet? Totally.

    My wife and I have attended several HP themed parties as the cross-house token lesbian couple (She's a Gryffindor and I'm a Ravenclaw). I think there is strong possibility in that notion as well. Especially among girls like Millicent Bulstrode, or Susan Bones - girls who are not at all regarded by male classmates (from what we know), or are even marked as undesired by boys (like Millicent). And with a past and family history like Susan's ... it's lesbian drama in the making.

    Clearly I haven't thought about any of this at all.

    junglequeen's picture

    She's not in love with

    She's not in love with him...she's just VERY loyal and loves his power.

    Plus, Bellatrix was totally playing out her twisted power fantasies w/ Hermionie in Book 7. JK Rowling and I are buddies...she told me all about Bellatrix over some tea last weekend.

    Radical Bradacal's picture

    no no ...

    She totally is in love with him. Sure, part of it is his power and her loyalty, but that's certainly a part of loving someone. There's a passage I'm thinking of in particular, but I promise you.

    Besides. JK is my godmother.

    Graashoppa's picture

    Bella

    I'd say Bella is seriously obsessed with "The Dark Lord," but I question whether her attraction to him qualifies as being "in love." Obsessional devotion and love are different animals.

    Loving your icon, by the way. Aaarrh!

    Radical Bradacal's picture

    Thank You

    I love my icon too! Thank you so much! :)

    I think we could start an entirely new discussion on this Bellatrix/Lord V business, and we'd both be right. This is why I love Literature! (I have a degree in it, so watch out ;)

    I think what we're both (or really, all) hitting on is that Bella sees aspects of herself - both who she is and who she wants to be - in the Dark Lord. And there is both a love and obsession in that. So even if she's not "in love" with HIM, she's at least in love with what he represents to her. Because you're right in the sense that she can't really love HIM. There's not really a HIM to love - more of a representational idea. Who can wield all the dark forces of hell. I mean really, what's NOT to love?!   

    Although those of you in the "Bellatrix just needs a good woman!" party ... I respect you and your opinions, please believe that. I just think you're a little ... uhm ... scary.

    Pomegranates's picture

    ...

    Definitely, sprout!

    I have always secretly been rooting for Neville to be gay as well.

    There is some excellent Hermione/Ginny fanfic out there but, alas, definitely not lesbian. But who's to say there was never any college experiments, Hermione seems very open minded...

    Honestly, the whole Wizarding universe seems pretty gay :D
    Blitz's picture

    Rowling and "The Well of Loneliness"

    According to this site (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5011.html) one of the books in the picture is "The Well of Loneliness":

     Interesting.

    meteoritecrater's picture

    Totally in agreeance with

    Totally in agreeance with the McGonagall thing. Uhm, have to admit I'm pretty heavy into the Harry Potter femslash fandom...I've actually written quite a few Alicia/Katie's, some Katie/Leanne and a Narcissa/Lily drabble. They're on my Livejournal.

      I ship:

    Katie/Alicia (and variations on the theme, i.e. Angelina/Alicia etc etc. I'm the co-moderator of the LJ community femitch, which is for Quidditch-based femslash fic and art...I probably shouldn't have admited that :P)

    Katie/Leanne (the girl who was with her when she got the whole curse thing on her. That scene was so gay).

    McGonagall/Hooch

    Lily/Narcissa

    Ginny/Gabrielle Delacour

    and the occasional Ginny/Tonks to boot.

    *twiddles thumbs* Yes. Not that I spend a lot of time in the HP fandom or anything.

     I'm more amused that Dumbledore is gay than anything, because I totally read into the subtext between him and Grindewald and was going around telling everyone that they were so gay after I read the book. No one believed me, because I have a tendency to read subtext into pain killer commercials (...I'm not even lying. That Panadol commercial with the girl getting the other girl coffee in the morning? So gay.) So now I feel vindicated on so many levels. I love the gayness in popular kid's fantasy now, though I do feel half gipped that she didn't explicitly state it. Tamora Pierce is awesome for that. I can't wait to see the look on my friend's face now...she went apeshit after Daja came out properly in the books...Tamora Pierce had been saying for years before it came out that she was gay (along with Rosethorn and Lark, who are just very subtexty), but we actually got a proper romance thing in the books which was awesome. My friend is very anti-gay so she wasn't happy, and her face when we brought up the book around her...I'm giggling just thinking about it. Absolutely can't wait to see her today and bring up Dumbledore. It's gonna be awesome. XD

     ...Not that I'm antagonistic or anything.

    lovecatcadillac's picture

    Katie/Leanne

    Damn, I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought Katie and Leanne were totally pingin'.
    boundtostone's picture

    Pansy Parkinson

    Pansy and basically any female makes me really really happy. Especially when it's Pansy and a Gryffindor. 

    I tend to ignore canon, though, when it comes to Harry Potter. I love Harry/Hermione (come on, they'd be an awesome!power-couple), Hermione/Ginny or Cho or Pansy, and Ginny/Pansy. 

    However, I will say I love the canon, too. Harry/Ginny makes me really happy. 

    As for fanfic reality, I've seen quite a few McGonagall/any Hogwarts lady professor. Plus a bunch of Black-cest. So it goes.  
    Lv99 Slacker's picture

    Ha. Totally with you on

    Ha. Totally with you on Pansy/Gryffindor femslash, especially when that Gryffindor girl is Hermione.

    <3

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    poesy's picture

    Pansy/Hermione is my guilty

    Pansy/Hermione is my guilty pleasure pairing!
    panacirema's picture

    yeah, mcgonagall and hooch.

    yeah, mcgonagall and hooch. and rosmerta. no one knows much about her so wouldn't that be rad. and hot ^^

    omg, inbd

    girlface's picture

    After the latest film, I got

    After the latest film, I got a total McGonagall/Trelawny vibe. When she's comforting her in the courtyard? Bless.
    Numen's picture

    HP femslash

    I admit, at one point I used to be HP femslash holic. Novadays, I don't read them so much, but back then I really loved. My favourite pairing was (and still is, even after reading the five last page from last book) Ginny and Hermione. Also, I liked all those Hermione/Fleur fics that came after third movie. Oh, and Ginny and Luna. And Tonks - so gay. I know, I know. Lupin and other boys. But who cares about them? And lesbian can always read, er, dream. Can't she?
    Comet's picture

    Slash <3

    I've only really read m/m HP slash, beccause there seems to be loads more of it. Plus, who can resist Harry/Snape? Or is that just me :S Hell, basically Snape and anyone I'll read.

    Bellatric/f is hot..mostly because she's crazy..and Fleur/Hermione is kind of fun to read (French accents ftw). Not really read much else, feel like I'm missin out of something now :(

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    P_Nickle's picture

    I'm all about...

    Luna Lovegood.  I love her!
    nobodyknowsit's picture

    Lesbian Lovegood

    Tooootally with you. But maybe that's just because I had a crush on her in the books and I'm hoping I might still have a (fictional) chance.
    strawberrygirl's picture

    I've had secret fantasies

    I've had secret fantasies for a loooooong time (like, before Dumbledore was even outed) that Dumbles and McGonagall were gay buddies and talked about their homosexuality together. A lot.

    And then she would go have sex with Madam Rosmerta. 

    Up until the punching, it was a real nice party...
    ImTiredXD's picture

    Yeaahhh i'd say the best bet

    Yeaahhh i'd say the best bet is McGonagall. She seems very lesbianish. But pretty much all the professors in hogwarts have some potential to be gay seeing as how JK never really went into their personal lives (except snape.)

    also Bellatrix can't have been a lesbian, she was married. Duh. And she was definately madly in-love with voldemort.

    panacirema's picture

    hm...

    "also Bellatrix can't have been a lesbian, she was married."

    she can still be gay and married to a man, right?. :-P

    And in an interview somewhere JK Rowling said she got married because that was what was expected of her, not because she loved him, because she truly loved Voldemort and would do anything for him... like get married to some guy. sigh. stupid voldemort.

    omg, inbd

    Marcie's picture

    I vote for...

    ...Luna, Hooch(haha...Hooch), and McGonagall as three, definitely.I actually don't have any doubts about them. They are actually the only three that I pictured as gay when I read the books, well besides Neville and Malfoy.
    Marcie's picture

    I did...

    ...however, get vibes from that scene where McGonagall comforts Trelawney.
    Dots58's picture

    I hate to be lame here, but,

    I hate to be lame here, but, though I was excited about the news that Dumbledore was gay, I don't really see what all the gay fuss is about. I guess it honestly didn't even really come up for me. I loved all of the pairings that Rowling created so much, that it seemed almost sacreligious to think of them any other way. That's just me, though.

    Also, I think we're leaving out the fact that, though there were no explicit LGBT characters in the books, the series was based on a band of "outsiders". Like many classic stories, it could easily be related to many of the things that LGBT youth and adults have experienced in their lifetime, with having to hide, looking for a community, and suchlike.

    cageyone's picture

    is it just me?

    Ok, I might be a bit of a spoil-sport here, but, as my STRAIGHT sister said, why is everyone so excited by this? If she really wanted to make a character gay, then she should have just made them gay. It is hardly "daring" or "true" to declare a character gay AFTER the series has made you a billionaire.
    While I appreciate her sentiment, as well as her literary achievement among the youth and post-youth, it is hardly outstanding to point out the possibility of a homosexual subtext after one has completed their series.
    boundtostone's picture

    they're talking about this all over the internet

    and many seem to have an opinion. A few interested fans have discussed it over at Brotherhood 2.0 and The Leaky Cauldron (I didn't check mugglenet.)
    Check here or listen to Leaky's podcast/view their thread for more info: http://www.brotherhood2.com/mypants/viewtopic.php?id=2953&p=1

    I just think this particular thread is about which characters we think have the most lesbian potential!
    CyberWoolf's picture

    I pretty much agree with ya

    I pretty much agree with ya there.  When I first heard... I was like what??  Thats cool.  Then I was like hey!  Point is kind of moot isnt it?  It seems like after thought and like you said,

    I appreciate the sentiment but I think it was kind of pointless.

    Amy M's picture

    So many were "fair game"

    So many of the Hogwarts teachers were unmarried/ not seen in an opposite-sex relationship so Rowling could have made almost any of them gay. I got the impression Lupin was single for a long time because he had to hide the fact he was a werewolf and it kept him from getting close to anyone. McGonagall definitely could've been a lesbian.

    I did feel some of the relationships in the series felt forced (Ginny and Harry? More a ploy to get Harry to marry in to the Weasely clan  and get the dream family he always wanted)

    CharmedLassie's picture

    Yes!!!!

    Agreement about McGonagall!!! I am not completely out of my fan fic obsessed mind... That's always good to know!
    Clowie_O's picture

    Hahaha

    Unfortunately, this early promise was frittered away when she and Lupin became an item. Alas. (But anyone who hooks up with a werewolf has to fall somewhere on the spectrum of queer!)

     

    Nice Buffy reference. That made my day.

    Mad Maggot's picture

    Oh my, that's the funniest

    Oh my, that's the funniest post I've read in ages. Thanks for the laugh!

     I've always been of an opinion that in the HP series either Dumbledore and McGonagall are an item / romantically interested in each other or they both are gay. They've always seemed to be quite similar to me in their goals and purposes and that was something other than them both being teachers (like I said, it was either them being a couple or belonging to the GLBT league).

    Not to mention they're most definitely my two favorite characters in the book. I don't have any particular opinion about Rowling outing Dumbledore but the only question I seem to have is why did she do it at all? HP has been all over the place for the last 10 years and she has received dozens of questions in different interviews/chats/etc about him being single and yet she outs him in October of 2007. I don't really see logic in that and I would really hate for it to be a marketing step since I have a soft spot for JKR and wouldn't want her to be one of those people who'd do or say anything to attract attention (or whatever).

    The fact that Dumbledore is gay didn't make me love him more because he's already a favorite of mine but like I said, I find it weird and wouldn't want to think of it as a way to boost the popularity even more.

    CountessEntwistle's picture

    Well...

    Rowling would have gotten more kudos from me had she said this from the very beginning, or at least two or three books into the series, rather than announcing this after the books are finished. "Oh, I have nothing to lose now and will probably gain even more sales by saying this...Dumbles is gay!"

    However...that mini rant aside, I was hoping Tonks was gay but she just dashed that little dream of mine out the door(do have to agree though, hooking up with a werewolf is definitely queer). If I'd been writing the books, they'd have been centered around Hermione (anyone other than me notice that if it hadn't been for Hermione, Ron and Harry would have been up a creek without a paddle for the whole series?) and Hermione would have been the biggest lesbian on campus.

    Anyway...I'm bucking for McGonagall. Somebody in that series HAD to be the token lesbian.

    fee's picture

    Luna

    By part 7, I wanted Luna to be gay.
    But I think that's just because I liked her so much 8) :)




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    Public Relations Disaster

    Every once and a while I stumble upon things in the Queer Universe that make me think, "Jesus...it would be such a Public Relations disaster if the breeders infiltrated and got a hold of this..."

    This thread is one of those things. Not that I think we should inhibit ourselves, but it's amusing to think about the wild inflamatory extrapolation and mud-slinging that would occur, eh? "What IS it with those crazy dykes and thinking everyone is GAY!?" (Little did we they know we knew their sisters....)

    >.> ...And of course, I say 'breeders' affectionately...  ;)


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