“50 Greatest TV Icons” — and 5 Great TV DykonsI really like my Entertainment Weekly subscription. It was a total suckered-in kind of thing. I got the “free trial” that I was going to cancel before the not-free period began. Right. But I enjoy the magazine, and I particularly appreciate the subscription when I learn of fun things — such as the Entertainment Weeky/TV Land special The 50 Greatest TV Icons, scheduled to air this Friday night. I'll be out of town on Friday night, but my DVR is already set. I love me some TV and I want to know who is crowned the Greatest TV Icon of all time. I know who I'd pick: Kermit the Frog.
Unfortunately, I suspect that Kermit will not be number one because he's pictured in the listing in the magazine. Where would the suspense be then? But let's watch a video of TV icon Kermit singing his iconic song, “The Rainbow Connection,” with punk icon Debbie Harry — just because it's fun. A number of the other icons have also been explicitly or implicitly mentioned in one news source or another: Simon Cowell, Ed Sullivan, Andy Griffith, Homer Simpson, Lassie, Milton Berle. And there are some women, too. Lucille Ball is an obvious one. (I feel a sad connection to her because she died on my birthday.)
Susan Lucci is a less obvious one. (I feel an affectionate connection because I was her one Halloween. My friend was an Emmy running away from me.)
Oprah, of course, is one of the top icons.
As is Carol Burnett (whom I sat near in a restaurant once.)
Finally, there's Buffy.
And, of course, Ellen DeGeneres.
The other 37 or so are a secret and will be revealed on Friday night. (Can you handle the suspense?) It's fairly easy to speculate about some of the others. I'll bet Mary Tyler Moore will be one. (I may have seen that confirmed somewhere.) I'd like to see Maude (Bea Arthur) in there. Someone from The Brady Bunch has to be there, as does Fonzie from Happy Days. I'm sure I could go on. But I won't. Instead, I'll muse for a moment about the TV icons that mattered most to me when I was growing up glued to the TV set. That's right: the lesbian icon (or dykon, if you prefer). Ellen, of course, will represent, but I was an adult by the time she was on the scene. The lesbian icons I'm talking about are the ones I glommed onto when I was an impressionable youth. These characters were not actually out lesbians, but they were as lesbian as TV got during my childhood — with one from my adulthood thrown in for good measure. So here are my top five. 5. Letita “Buddy” Lawrence (Kristy McNichol) — Family
She was always dating or interested in boys — Willie Aames, Leif Garrett — but little Buddy was the baby dyke character of the '70s. When she was afraid of her lesbian teacher (Blair Brown), I knew that it was her own feelings she really feared. 4. Charlie's Angels (Farrah Fawcett, Kate Jackson, Jaclyn Smith) — Charlie's Angels
They were athletic and smart and knew martial arts. Enough said. I know that Sabrina (Kate Jackson) was the one whom most young lesbians found most compelling, but I was always drawn to Kelly (Jaclyn Smith). I guess I've always liked a girly-girl who can kick ass. 3. Jaime Sommers (Lindsay Wagner) — The Bionic Woman
This is another no-brainer. Yes, she was romantically involved with Steve Austin at one point, but they dispensed with that relationship as soon as she got bionic. And she was a professional tennis player. And she was hot. 2. Jane Lane — Daria
I was an adult when Daria was on the air. And Jane, of course, was a cartoon character. But if my Emmy-costume friend could have a crush on Flounder (the fish best friend in The Little Mermaid), I figured I could have a crush on Jane. Yes, she dated Tom for a while, but Jane was the nonconformist artist with the multiple earrings and the bad attitude. She had so much lesbian role model potential. 1. Jo Polniaczek (Nancy McKeon) — The Facts of Life
Oh, Jo. You were the lesbian icon of my youth. I don't know whether I had a crush on you or identified with you, but you are the most enduring TV icon from my early adolescence. So I crown you Greatest TV Dykon of all time. Here's a subtexty clip of Jo and Blair realizing how much more alike than different they are: So who are your favorite icons, lesbian or otherwise? Submitted by on November 12, 2007 - 3:31pm. |
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Susan Lucci
+1! My cat woke up from me
+1!
My cat woke up from me laughing so hard. Pics please?
I hope this doesn't ruin anyone's childhood...
Ok, I want to ask this every single time I see a post on here with a picture of Jo Polniaczek/Nancy McKeon in it, and I figured I would finally just come out with it and ask: is it just me, or does she look A LOT like a young Jonathan Taylor Thomas?
Obviously, I am too young to have watched The Facts of Life but just the right age to have suffered through Home Improvement.
"Out of the box is where I live." -Starbuck
The real question...
You tryin' to call me a youngun or somethin'? ;)
Haha, true, true. But, really, the resemblance is uncanny, no matter which way you look at it!
"Out of the box is where I live." -Starbuck
Laura Holt
Laura was strong, and independent, kicked ass, and she was the brains behind the entire operation, and she also wore a lot of interesting hats and suits (whenever the 80s fashion didn't attack her). I never knew if I wanted to be her, or have her, but every day I would rush home from school and watch the afternoon re-runs, just for her. I recently bought the DVDs, and was happy to realize that most of it still holds up really well.
Miss Holt
She was my favorite character and biggest childhood crush as well. I watched Remington Steele when it originally aired and then religiously watched it twice a day in reruns. I would pout for days if anything got in the way of my Remington Steele viewing. And oh the hours I spent poring over the TV Guide skimming for the letter Z (although none of Stephanie Zimbalist's other roles could compare, of course).
I also have all the DVDs and find that the show does hold up well, in a cheesy 80s kind of way. I still love Laura. Sadly, she didn't become an icon at all. The great irony of the show is that it's about a woman detective who does all the work while her figurehead boss gets all the credit, and Brosnan ended up getting all the fame for a show that was originally meant to be all about Laura.
ETA: I don't think Laura was a dykon in the sense that there was anything dykey about her character. She was very hetero. There is some gay male subtext on the show, but only one tiny hint at lesbianism that I've ever noticed. Laura is more of a feminist icon, and I bet lots and lots of girls had crushes on her. (My parents thought I was so in love with Pierce Brosnan--ha!)
Both Nancy McKeon and Kristy
Both Nancy McKeon and Kristy McNichol I had a major crush on when I was a kid.
I always wanted Blair and Jo to get together and I think they did in my head. Kristy McNichol I wanted to build a tree house with her and spend as much time as I could with her. Aha... childhood fantasies.
heh heh
Manson Girls
The Manson Women- they were kickass, tough and mad, bad and dangerous to know.
And very easy on the eye....
Maybe not TV icons per se, but they were a constant fixture on the all the news channels in the early 70's and through to the 80's and 90's....
What about your mother- your mother earth?
Brenda, you are crazy,
If we're following this route, you'd have to go Leila Khaled...
TV star -wise, yeah, Kristy rocked my world, and I still remember seeing Jodie Foster on the Partridge Family and feeling all... funny.
More recently, the magnificent Angela Lansbury (I could only ever see Jessica Fletcher in light of her role in The Manchurian Candidate -- that denouement scene, ooh! la la! -- oh, Jess, you hid so much Cabot Cove and from us, and I loved you more for it!)
and the equally spectacular Darlene Conner (Sara Gilbert).
And Mandana Jones.
'oh Toto' said Shadowbox 'you spend all your money
chasing bed women around the world'
(Kathleen Mary Fallon, Working Hot)
Just saying!
Well, I do not want to start any argument here but just want to express the fact that I find both the mention of the manson women and Leila Khaled in this way/thread quite offensive!
"call me old fashioned but I prefer feminism that leaves a little something to the imagination!"
You'd understand why...
... but it takes imagination
'oh Toto' said Shadowbox 'you spend all your money
chasing bed women around the world'
(Kathleen Mary Fallon, Working Hot)
So, are you saying I lack
So, are you saying I lack imagination? Or are you now agreeing with me?
Have to say the lay-out of your reply leaves me in doubt but, just to put your mind at ease...I don't lack the understanding of what you two were trying to do, just expressed the opinion that I found it offensive!
Don't recall making any personal statements about you though?
"call me old fashioned but I prefer feminism that leaves a little something to the imagination!"
Exactly
Yes.... Imagination and an open mind
What about your mother- your mother earth?
There you go!
Yep, I lack the imagination and open mind to not find it offensive when the fame acquired by being a brutal killer is being in effect equated with the fame acquired by the positive efforts of artists! Especially in a thread meant to be "fun"!
"call me old fashioned but I prefer feminism that leaves a little something to the imagination!"
Going back to 1989
Sister Kate was the show. Fred was the character, always wearing her leather jacket and flannel. She totally was the non spoken lesbian icon for me. When I just looked it up I was shocked, IMDB says there were only 5 episodes, that cant be right?!
19 according to
19 according to epguides.com:
http://epguides.com/SisterKate/
Sister Kate episodes
Regarding the low number of Sister Kate episodes listed on imdb: check out tvtome.com http://www.tv.com/sister-kate/show/652/episode_guide.html?tag=subtabs;gu...
tvtome list a total of 19 episodes, so your memory serves you better than that of imdb does on this particular subject :-)
oh jeese.
Xena had just begin airing episodes when I started High School, and we had a parallel journey. So Xena definitely is my number one Dykecon.
I did watch the Facts of Life when i was younger, and I thought Jo was the coolest - in hind-sight I'm sure I was connecting to the same things you were.
Otherwise I had profound connections with Daphne Zuniga's character (another Jo!) on Melrose Place....(she really should have been a lesbian on that show, and of course I stopped watching when she wasn't on any more), and still have high hopes for Lisa Simpson.
...and she's called Henry and it’s a lot of explanation but don’t worry about it kids, Ok? Just tune in, turn off, drop out, drop in, switch off, switch on, and explode.
re. that pic.:
xxx
you know
That I posted it for you. A cartoon depiction of my favorite intellectual terrorist. I see you've been making new friends, btw. ;)
...and she's called Henry and it’s a lot of explanation but don’t worry about it kids, Ok? Just tune in, turn off, drop out, drop in, switch off, switch on, and explode.
In terms of fictional
Exactly!
"If you should see her...tell her I miss her still." -- Galinda. 'Wicked'
What makes a lesbian icon?
I always find these discussions so interesting... since I certainly find it hilarious NOW to watch Jo on The Facts of Life, or Kristy McNichol in anything, and I can see why they would appeal to gay teens... but when I was a teen, I had no gaydar whatsoever, and I don't think it would have occurred to me to pay any extra attention to a girl because she wore a leather jacket or had a swagger or anything. I just didn't develop that kind of sensibility or awareness till I was older. It makes me feel like I must be missing some crucial component, since so many gay women seem to have picked up on it when they were teenagers!
I can remember having crushes on Claire Danes from My So-Called Life, and Jennifer Love Hewitt and Neve Campbell on Party of Five... but I don't think any of those could really be called lesbian icons, could they? Well except maybe Neve Campbell a little bit, since she's gone on to play so many bicurious roles.
Neve is a dykon,
Hmm yeah, I agree with
Hmm yeah, I agree with that. I never really found myself drawn to female characters on tv with a sort of stereotypical lesbian vibe - I was really just attracted to pretty girls! But then I think I always had crushes on girls with the kind of strong-willed, smart feistiness thing going on that I still go for now - my big early crush on tv was Diana Rigg as Emma Peel in the re-runs of the Avengers - and given what I know from my lesbian friends and what I read here that seems pretty damn gay looking back.
"I go online sometimes, but everyone's spelling is really bad, and it's depressing."
Its a Small World
Awww
Dating Myself
Not a very know show - but my first crush was on Erin Grey from Silver Spoons - all the girls at school were always talking about the boy - .... I don't even remeber his name and I was dreaming of Erin Grey
I would say Xena because the
I would say Xena because the show was probably my first ever exposure to lesbian subtext. Because I'm just a baby. ...
omg, inbd
Jo and Buddy
How about Christine Cagney?
I was so happy to see Jo as your number one choice. I always thought she was great.
Another that comes to mind is Chris Cagney. I looked forward to Cagney & Lacey every week and because tv was frowned upon on school nights in our household I sometimes made up reasons I needed to watch an hour of tv eg. media studies or doing research on advertisements etc.
Al from Step by Step
Was my youth "crush" (didn't know what it was at the time). I remember being really upset when she got interested in guys. Ha. I imagine it's similar to the other tomboy figures on the list.
By the time I actually came out Xena and Buffy were on the air for real lesbian crushes.
Cagney & Lacey!
That show was definetely my exposure to lesbian icons. Sorry that I can't relate to the other shows, cause, well, they weren't broadcasted in my neck of the woods. But I will totally include Ellen in my short list. She came out in my late teens and, though I did not know it at the time, helped me a LOT, to do the same a couple of years later. She was the first person on TV that I could identify with, admire and respect for being kinda like me and that was pretty important back then. Xena has earned a spot too. Her chemistry with sidecick extraordinaire Gabrielle was sizzling...
And.. Ok I'm just gonna say it. Lesbian icon or not I had a HUGE crush on Dr Quinn back in the day. She was an MD in the far west, she adopted three kids AND she hung out with Native Americans. That's lesbian enough for me. Plus, the woman had fantastic hair and a sexy - sexy accent...
Must say Xena and Gabrielle, naturally
WHO CAN FORGET ALYSSA!
Who's the Boss- Alyssa Milano... Now that was my first crush!
Also a few others I had as well were Stacey Keenan (My Two Dads and later Step by Step) , Justine Bateman (Family Ties) and Rebecca Schaeffer (My Sister Sam).
¸.·´¯)It's true, we're all a little insane(¯`·.¸
Great minds think alike!
Well rotezora, you have excellent taste.... I'd now like to add Leila Khaled and Patty Hearst to my list! I wasn't expecting anyone to agree with my Manson Girls comment.... You obviously know how hot they were!
And gali, I'm sorry if you find myself and rotezora's opinions offensive, but we're just being honest. Anyway, although I DEFINITELY disagree with the Manson Family's extreme views or their actions, the women were hot and tough and bad. An irresistible combination in my book. And very dyke-tastic.
They should have got rid of Charles and hooked up with Leila!
What about your mother- your mother earth?
Well, if you think it is
Well, if you think it is "hot"and "tough" to brutally kill for instance a highly pregnant woman because you completely gave your self over to someone else, that is your right.
I would wish for you to find your dream woman but I am guessing in reality you wouldn't think it would be so "hot"'!
I just do not find psychopaths particularly hot, tough or dyke-tastic and what I found offensive about your and Roteroza's comments exactly I explained in another post.
But like I said earlier...I think this thread was supposed to be fun so I am leaving it at this.
"call me old fashioned but I prefer feminism that leaves a little something to the imagination!"
Hold on!
Wait a minute, I understand that you have your own very strong opinion about my comments, but before you start about me finding psycopaths hot, please understand that out of the 15 or so hardcore Family women, only 3 (Sadie, Katie and Leslie) were involved in the Tate/LaBianca murders. None of the other women killed anyone. And I'm talking about them in my post. Yes they were scuzzy, dodgy, crazy and dangerous, but although I know that most people probably find those qualities off-putting, I'm the opposite and I can't resist. I guess I'm a sucker for a bad girl. And I have no plans to seriously get in touch with any of them and elope, I'm just tossing in my opinion.
What about your mother- your mother earth?
Pinky Tuscadero from "Happy Days"
A few that haven't been mentioned
Also, she wasn't a gay character but Jacqueline/Jake Pratt (Katherine Moening) from Young Americans when I was a teen. I watched the show once and she drew me in and I couldn't stop watching the show. Scenes without her bored me but whenever she stepped on screen I was facinated. I told myself it was for Ian Somholder as I was no where close to being out that summer, but it was definitely Katerhine's Jake Pratt that sucked me right on in. A girl who blurred gender lines and made her boyfriend ride bitch on her motorcycle. *sigh* I really, really wanted to ride bitch on that motorcycle.
Xena !
right on
How Xena could not be on the list
I absolutely agree that Xena was one of the all time great dykons. But because I did not watch the show, I thought it would be disingenuous to include her in a list of my favorites.
However, I knew that the legions of fans out there would represent!
CAGNEY AND LACEY
Was it symbolism that I had the Cagney and Lacey LUNCHBOX?