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Remember when kissing Madonna was the raciest thing Britney had ever done?

Britney and MadonnaControversial feminist author and culture critic Camille Paglia is speaking out against Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, and other "backstreet floozies", telling US Weekly that their behavior is "degrading the entire pro-sex wing of feminism."

She then offers an interesting (and by "interesting", I mean "weird") take on the famous 2003 kiss between Madonna and Britney at the 2003 VMAs, saying, "A great promise was contained in the moment when Madonna kissed Britney at the MTV Awards. She in a sense was saying,"I'm passing the torch to you." It was a fabulous moment. Britney looked toned, in control of her career and it was up to her to take the next step. Literally from that kiss, from that moment onward, Britney has spiraled out of control. It's like Madonna gave her the kiss of death! Britney is throwing it away!"

Um, okay.

Even more bizarrely, Paglia goes on to blame the out-of-control behavior on the women's independence. "These are women who are clearly out of control because the old studio era is over. The studio system...guided and shaped the careers of the young women who it signed up. It maximized their sexual allure by dealing it out in small doses and making sure you don't have -- what has become here -- a situation of anarchy."

Extreme much, Camille? I wish these women would rein it in a bit, too, but giving up control of their careers to studios who are mostly looking out for their own interests is not exactly a good idea. There are plenty of women who have done just fine managing their careers on their own, thank you very much - like Susan Sarandon, Annette Bening, Halle Barry, Sandra Oh, Sandra Bullock, Anne Hathaway, and even Dakota Fanning (although someone should tell that kid she doesn't have to be in every movie that calls for a precocious young girl).

I have mixed feelings about Paglia's work in general, and she's definitely driving the crazy train with comments like this last one, but I can't say I disagree with the overall sentiments she's expressing here. The Britney/Paris/Lindsay trifecta is definitely not doing women any favors lately with their ridiculous public behavior - although on the plus side, they make Rosie and George Michael seem downright well-behaved...

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  • ice cream's picture

    Paglia's driven the crazy bus into a tree one too many times for me. And, when I read her, I often feel she's trying to be controversial just for controversy's sake. It's showy and slightly unhinged. I mean praising the studio era? Certainly the Britney/Paris/Lindsay triumvirate of starlet stupidity is a very bad thing. But, a culture that encourages photographers to get down on their stomachs so they can shoot young women's most private of privates is also to blame here. So Camille gets a hearty "whatever" from me...
    Anyway, for a good laugh check out Amy Poehler's take on the whole sorted mess:
    http://dorothysurrenders.blogspot.com/2006/12/ladies-you-need-to-cool-it.html

    ice cream's picture

    I just have one comment on this...I have to say this because it frustrates me to no end and because i didn't even SEE the friggin' kiss until a month of hoopla had driven me to seek it out to see just how 'extreme' it was.
    I was all set for some serious hot lesbian action given the hubbub surroundign this. Then i saw a gender f*cking hollywood stunt during which Madonna 9Wait for it) kissed Christina Aguilera AND Brittany and Brittany just HAPPENED to come at it with her mouth open. by the time the kiss actually occured their lips were sealed...no tongue, no granting of special wishes and once again...she kissed Christina Aguilera too so where was that special torch? Hell she kissed her first so shouldn't the torch have been passed on to her initially? No?
    Maybe I'm just crazy.

    ice cream's picture

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    ice cream's picture

    when one's name is not in the press often enough or their handlers feel there isn't enough attention being shown to them, that's when the crazies come out and speak out.

    that is steadfast rule #1 in Hollywood.

    ice cream's picture

    the studio era, eh? let's ask judy garland what she thought of it. someone refill camille's xanax prescription so she can chill out.

    ice cream's picture

    Searching for deeper meaning in that kiss is like looking for deeper meaning in a Bryce Courtenay book. Passing the torch? Hello? A cheesy way to get publicity, more like. I mean, it's still being talked about 3 years later so it had to have worked. The same formula worked for Ta Ta or Te Tu or whatever that Russian faux-lesbian band were. The unholy trinity of Britney-Paris-Lindsay needs to be put out of its and our misery and replaced with girls who have a clue.

    ice cream's picture

    OT, but did anyone else notice the whole "evil murdering lesbians killing someone to avoid being outed" cliche that was pulled AGAIN tonight on Law & Order?

    *sigh*

    Forget the Staples "easy" button ... can we please get a "dumbarse, stereotyping, demonising, and lazy script idea" button?

    ice cream's picture

    Paglia was not the first person that used the "passing the torch" line. In fact, so many people have used those very words "passed the torch" to describe the kiss, I bet it was introduced by a publicist. Even Madonna told her kid (and the press) that "I am the mommy pop star and she is the baby pop star. I am kissing her to pass my energy on to her."

    ice cream's picture

    Madonna kissed also Christina Acquilera in that same scene. Hardly no-one even remembers that. How many torches excatly can Madonna pass? Can I get one too?

    ice cream's picture

    Camille Paglia should not get to call herself a lesbian. I think side-show freak is more appropriate, but I'll settle for irrelevant snake oil salesperson.

    ice cream's picture

    I think you mean feminist, not lesbian. or maybe not...

    ice cream's picture

    I totally agree with dorothy snarker. Paglia is totally insane and needs to take a
    flying fuck.

    ice cream's picture

    I don't really agree that the behavior a few spoiled little rich girls actually reflect women as a whole. As someone who has met some of these Hollywood celebrities, I can tell you first hand that these people are such prima donnas. They think they are so special. It's enough to make you not want to watch them. When I think of strong women in films, I tend to think of Jodie Foster, or Susan Sarandon. Women who are smart and strong. These women don't seek out the attention of the press by doing racy things in public, they don't have to. They have talent. :o) Jodie Foster Rocks!

    ice cream's picture

    Passing the torch in the form of spit? That's funny. I thought the Britney-Madonna-Christina wedding thing was cute back in the day. I can't believe Paglia is trotting it out again. That woman is such a c-word. She is NOT a feminist.

    ice cream's picture

    What I would like to know is- the torch of what?? I would have thought that a feminist author would have more important things to do that peruse the meaning of a staged kiss between two pop stars. But that's just me.

    ice cream's picture

    It's the tubes, in the internets, they've made us all crazy. Seriously, I wonder where the sense of self has gone. It's as if we think nothing matters, and by thinking that, it makes it so. Or, it could be argued that the United States has finally learned what postmodern means.

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    ice cream's picture

    the whole kiss thing was so staged that the camera barely caught the kiss and cut straight to TJ for his reaction ... i suppose it got what it aimed for: people are (STILL) talking about it