"Battlestar Galactica: Razor" Delivers a Crucial Lesbian Twist
This other imperative is what has driven Adama, due in no small part to President Roslin, who keeps a tally of the remaining human survivors in her office. That number hovers around the 50,000 mark — small enough to remind them how important it is to keep each other alive. Adama is also reminded of his humanity by his son. As he says to him at the end of Razor: "Now, you don't have any children, so you might not understand this, but you see yourself reflected in their eyes. And there are some things that I've thought of doing, with this fleet, but I stopped myself because I knew that I'd have to face you the following day." With an imperative of survival — of maintaining life rather than inflicting death — Adama is forced to retain his own humanity. Every morning, Adama has the possibility of seeing his son, a flesh-and-bone reminder of being human. Cain, on the other hand, has no such reminder. Instead, she carries a pocket knife with her, and in one scene toward the end of Razor, she shows Kendra the knife and explains: "When you can be this for as long as you have to be, then you're a razor. This war is forcing us all to become razors, because if we don't, we don't survive. And then we don't have the luxury of becoming simply human again." Cain is determined to sharpen herself until only a blade remains; she must hone away all the human emotions that prevent her from following her imperative. There is no room, in Cain's world, for the pain that comes from being betrayed by someone she cares for. There is only room for anger. When Baltar comes to the Pegasus to talk to Gina, he gives her food and water to revive her, and Cain says derisively: "I see that you got it to eat. Can you get it to roll over? Beg?" In "Resurrection Ship, Part 2," Baltar — who is in love with Caprica Six and sees her in Gina — helps Gina escape. Though she wants to commit suicide, he tells her that she needs justice, and he gives her a gun. Gina goes to find Admiral Cain and demands:
And then Gina pulls the trigger, killing the woman who both cared for her and authorized her torture. The character of Gina then disappears for several episodes, until she resurfaces as part of a peace movement. She is clearly traumatized from the sexual assault she experienced during her imprisonment. During "Lay Down Your Burdens," Baltar gives her a nuclear device that she detonates, successfully killing herself and leaving a nuclear trace that enables the Cylons to find the humans a year later. Gina is a Cylon agent to the end. Often when same-sex relationships are included in science fiction, one or both halves of the couple are alien — clearly marking homosexuality as not human, not normal. For example, in the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode "Rejoined," the two female characters who become involved with each other (Jadzia Dax and Lenara Kahn) are both members of the Trill, an alien race in which a symbiont inhabits the humanoid body of a host. Though Dax and Kahn resemble humans, they clearly are aliens. In Torchwood, one female same-sex relationship involves a woman whose body is possessed by a sex-starved alien who kills her partners after having sex with them ("Day One"). Another story line involves a 19th-century prostitute who was taken over by an alien and feeds on humans ("Greeks Bearing Gifts"). Both of these episodes mark homosexuality as alien, unnatural, shameful and manipulative. The case of the Cylons on Battlestar Galactica is different. Because they were initially created by humans themselves, they occupy a middle ground between human and not-human. Though it may not seem to be, this is a sign of progress. The murkiness surrounding the Cylons' humanity is a telling mirror for the humans' own conceptions of right and wrong, love and hate. The series is most complex and interesting when humans intersect with the machines they created in intimate and unexpected ways. Razor is a pivotal point in a greater story about what makes someone human. Cain's relationship with Gina, who walks the line between human and machine, is the prism through which Cain's struggles are refracted. It is the intimacy of their relationship that renders Cain's horrific actions more understandable — more human. |
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awesome!
this is such a great piece, i could tell from reading it you studied religious studies, you dont wanna write some of my courseowrk do u? although unfortunately none of them are on BSG (tho, that sounds like a challenge, maybe i can work it into my religion and culture essay)
what is it with lesbian journalists studying religion at university? clearly though, i'm doing the right degree!
anyhoo, i guess i should actually talk about BSG... this sounds like one heck of a storyline! i never really got into BSG, but if i caught a glimpse of katee sackoff while channel hopping i'd usually sit and watch the whole episode..hehe I'm gonna have to try and see this razor thing tho, sounds amazing. dunno if or when i'll be able to, being on the other side of the pond, but maybe santa could bring it as a christmas present... that and a multiregion DVD player!!
Razor
Thank you for the article! I was able to watch Razor last week and no one I know watches the show so I had to keep this all in!!! :-( I am a BSG junkie. When I first watched it, all I could think was: man did I miss my fave show. The characters, the intensity, the strong women.. everything.
My thoughts on the lesbian relationship are mainly positive. I really wasn't fond of the length of the shoulder squeeze shot. I think I actually rolled my eyes. The banter between Gina and Cain was a bit too... smiley and happy for my tastes but maybe it was because we barely see any of Cain off duty. Perhaps she is all smiles and happy off duty. But what I really liked was how very subtle and minor the introduction was.
What I really liked about the movie was how we got to see Cain's descend into becoming so ruthless and cold. When Cain saw the video of the other Six lying dead, it made everything we saw in season 2 click in to place. All I could think was.. wow.
To be that angry and have all that rage, not only for the traitor but for yourself as well. We get to see the reason why Gina was so extremely tortured, abused and raped.
But for me, I did not see it as sci fi way of saying if you are gay, this is what will happen. Maybe because I live in my own little sci fi homo world. :-D but it was more of a point to show how deep this betrayal cut.
I really wish the sci fi chan would stop jerking us around and give us fans a normal schedule. Sorry for the ramble, I just love the depth of this show and could go on forever!!
what you said
now i've gotten over the whole "can u write my essay" thing, i can say what i meant to say. which is basically what you said. The whole descent into that "other" place that Cain goes through seems amazing. obviously i dont know how well it was portrayed on screen and in the writing, but from what the two of you have said, it sounds awesome.
this looks just the kind of thing i'd love to watch if there was more of it about. a character study of someone going to that "other", kinda psychotic place, but not from the point of view of solving a crime, but purely by looking at the charatcer and what they do. yes, looking at their motivation, but not necessarily judging it.
genuinely cant wait to see this, any idea if its gonna be shown in the UK, or released on DVD?
UK Showing
genuinely cant wait to see this, any idea if its gonna be shown in the UK, or released on DVD?
Last time I heard Razor is showing in the UK on Sky One on the 12th December (not sure of the time but probably around 9pm). It's also released on DVD on the 26th December, so unforunatly you won't be able to get it for a christmas present.
I've been reading about
I've been reading about this movie for what seems like a year now. I've gathered bits and pieces of storyline and character analysis and rationale over that time. I've tried to use my literary background to look for nuance and subplot and other stuff to try to rid myself of the sickening feeling I get when I really contemplate what's going on with this storyline but I can't do it. I think you're being much too easy on the show. It's a show I adore. I've watched the DVDs over and over. But, I'm sorry, this is a huge betrayal by the showrunners on BSG.
Through all the analysis and explanation I've read as to why this isn't just another evil/dead lesbian storyline, I can honestly say that not once has it rung true. Things have to be stretched almost beyond belief to characterize this as anything other than sickeningly, stomp on your heart horrible.
If I told you that there was a movie coming out where there's a lesbian military commander in Iraq who has an affair with one of the female contractors (although there is never actually any intimacy shown) where, after finding out she's a spy, the commander proceeds to order the woman tortured and raped unendingly for months. When others are made aware of the situation they just go with it and don't even call the commander on the horrible acts she's ordered. And, for the grand finale, the other lesbian escapes, shoots the commander in the head and then bombs a huge number of civilians, killing thousands including herself, would you ever even think of trying to explain it as anything other than the most horrible representation of every evil/dead lesbian cliche ever?
Like I said, I've tried to intellectualize it and, while reading this article, I can practically see the contortions necessary to make it palatable. I just can't swallow it. What makes this storyline especially galling is that for three seasons there has been zero gay anything on the show (I don't count the threesome post-coitus scene where the women are never even awake together). The only gay representation on the show is two dead lesbians who were both multiple murderers.
It's just sickening to me. I love this show but I can't stomach this storyline in a universe where, by every outward appearance, 100% of the gay people are purely, almost unthinkably, evil.
And the day came when the risk it took to remain tight inside the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. - Nin
One Thing
I think you are forgetting that one of the "women" is actually a machine who's race just sent off zillions of nuclear bombs to 12 planets and just about killed your entire race and anyone you love.
Not only are you dealing with the fact that your entire species is decimated.. you realize the person you were getting intimate with just used you so she could destroy your ship and you.
What about Baltar.. he still loves Six even though he helped to almost destroy his entire race and gave them another nuke knowingly.. does that mean all straight relationships are doomed?
One of Many
There are several positive straight relationships on BSG to offset any negative ones so it is safe to assume that not all straight relationships are doomed. The problem here is that there is no positive lesbian relationship to offset the one negative one. Baltar's relationship with Six contrasts Helo's relationship with Eight. There is no positive contrast for Cain's relationship with Six. Not even a human/human one.
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I really think you have to
I really think you have to re-contextualize your reaction. BSG is an allegory, certainly, but it is by no means a direct substitute for modern-day situations. During Razor, Cain believes her crew--approximately 2000 people--are all that is left. So if I were to retool your example accordingly, your scenario would have to occur in a world in which terrorists had just destroyed the western world (and probably the eastern world as well) with nuclear weapons and the only Americans left were the troops deployed in Iraq. They have limited supplies, no hope of ever going home, and are surrounded and heavily outnumbered by terrorists. And in the midst of this, the military commander finds out the contractor is a terrorist spy. Emotions would be running so high, we probably don't have a meter by which we could actually measure them considering we've never had to deal with such totality of destruction.
The relationship between Cain and Gina shades so much of how Cain reacts, not just on a personal level, but as the leader of what's left of humanity. Admittedly, things would be better if there were a separate, positive portrayal of the lbgt community within BSG, but I trust that the producers and writers didn't intend to perpetuate the evil/dead lesbian stereotype. If Cain had been a man, they would've written him the same way.
It's always unintentional.
How come no one ever unintentionally perpetuates a good/living/sane lesbian stereotype? Had Adama been a lesbian, would they have written her the same way?
evil lesbian stereotype
I've seen it, and I totally agree with KineticStillness. You have to go through some major mental contortions to make this not fit the evil lesbian stereotype. For me Razor made Cain seem more evil than ever. When all the bad stuff she had done was all unseen in the past, you could imagine her motivations and sort of give her the benefit of the doubt, but actually showing how it all went down just revealed her to be more monstrous than she had ever seemed before.
But for me that wasn't even my biggest problem with the storyline. I was even more annoyed by the ridiculous double standard in the way the relationship was portrayed. I mean, if they're going to make Cain a lesbian and make the Cain/Gina relationship parallel to Baltar/Cap6, then they should actually SHOW the relationship. All we get is a tiny peck on the cheek and shoulder squeeze? How many countless sex scenes between Six and Baltar have we had to watch? Every week we have it shoved down our throats that heterosexual love, specifically a woman's love for man, is the thing that makes the cylons "human." We are supposed to sympathize with the Sixes and Eights because of their capacity for love, i.e. their love for men. Then the one and only representation of same-sex "love" we get on the show has no love at all. There is no indication that Gina actually cares for Cain. In fact, her last words to her—“you’re not my type”—is a jab at Cain's sexuality, like saying "hey, I'm not dyke. I was just playing you." But then of course when she meets Baltar, she's able to have true intimacy. And on Cain's end of things, she loves her girlfriend so much that she immediately believes she's a cylon with the most minimal of proof and then proceeds to order her torture and gang rape. Nice couple.
I actually really like BSG, am kind of obsessed with it actually. And I actually liked a lot of things about Razor, just not the lesbian bit. But I don't understand why people feel the need to claim that it is particularly progressive in terms of its representation of gender or sexuality. I can think of about a dozen shows from the 90s that were way more progressive in every way--Xena, Buffy, Star Trek Voyager, etc.--and that was 10 years ago. While entertaining and addictive, BSG seems to me to follow the "one step forward, two steps back" rule.
Not progressive or crucial at all
In fact I see it as rather a throwback to the 1950's. The lesbian "bit" indicates that merely "touching" a woman in a greeting where one's hand lingers longer than 10 seconds is proof of being a lesbian is ridiculous and frankly I cite AfterEllen as a purveyor of such nonsense. Are we as lesbians SO DESPERATE that we project an entire reality onto something we haven't seen?
I mean even the producers and writers of this movie knew that the lesbian relationship was so unnoticeable, that they needed to tell the viewers.
Now anyone familiar with writing screenplays KNOWS that in an effective screenplay you don't have to explicitly tell people what's going on because they are able to see it . This is proof that the writing wasn't good as far as that particular element. When people have to be told what is going on it takes us out of our "suspension of disbelief" and that is what movies are all about.
This movie has been (like Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles) posted all over the internet for months I wonder who uploaded it, and if they did so to cement into our minds that this indeed was a lesbian affair gone awry?
Psycho lesbian, yawn
"You have to go through some major mental contortions to make this not fit the evil lesbian stereotype. For me Razor made Cain seem more evil than ever"
I agree 100%. I have been a huge BSG fan since the mini-series and I've been looking forward to this movie since the end of last season. The only part of the movie that disappointed me was the lesbian relationship.
I'm not even going to go to the sci fi boards I normally visit. Who needs to read, "Oh, so that's why Cain was such a psycho bitch - she was a dyke."
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thank you
that was a very good article and I can't wait to see this.
Am a BSG fan and was already looking forward to this, but now even more so.
The whole "what is humanity?" aspect and machines sometimes being more "human" than humans themselves is what I love about the show....
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Thoughts
Well first off great article. As a huge BSG fan it's great to see it being handled in such a respectful and intelligent manner. Most of the time sci-fi shows are dismissed and sidelined...
Anyways, I'm gonna have to wait and see if I agree that the relationship is really demonstrative of a new mindset. What I can say without having seen the Mini yet is they have really chosen one novel approach...as stereotypical as it might seem (and trust me I wish this was part of the story as well) they didn't crown Starbuck with the Sapphic tiara as we might all expect.
The fact that the writers took an obvious chickie femme character like Cylon Six and bestowed upon her the aforenoted Lesbian relationship just shows that we are moving past certain stereotypes. I know what it's like to feel stiffled and horribly misunderstood because of the misguided misunderstandings that lurk in our day to day culture. The more the media chooses to show viewers that the old concepts simply do not apply the greater chance we all have to obtain real equality...where our sexuality doesn't have hold such tremendous weight in the eyes of the world.
All that said, anybody up for a little Sommers/Corvus shipping?? I sure know I am :) !!
BSG rocks...
Interesting to note...
My take on the situation is kinda mushed together out of these three quotes:
Though Caprica Six is different from Gina, both copies demonstrate great desire to understand humans and to claim human emotions for themselves.
Often when same-sex relationships are included in science fiction, one or both halves of the couple are alien — clearly marking homosexuality as not human, not normal.
The case of the Cylons on Battlestar Galactica is different. Because they were initially created by humans themselves, they occupy a middle ground between human and not-human. Though it may not seem to be, this is a sign of progress.
I really like that the lesbian relationship was given to the character with a great desire to understand humans and the desire to evolve further. An arguement perhaps, that homosexuality is a natural part of humanity which Gina chose to experience, rather than portraying it as an 'alien' concept as commonly done in 1-shot sci-fi lesbian episodes.
Taking this thought one step further, is the notion that in order for humanity to evolve to its full potential, homosexuality must be embraced.
It would have been quite easy for the writers to choose another cylon model, or another way entirely, to throw in a gratuitous lesbian relationship if that was their intent. Props to Ron Moore and his team for not taking the easy way out.
Bob
PS. Not a religion/theology major, but given half the chance would write a thesis around the theology in ST:DS9 :)
ooh, religion in DS9, now
ooh, religion in DS9, now there's a topic... i was talking about this the other day. i'd like to think i was talking to my housemates, but as they are neither DS9 fans nor theology students i think i was basically talking to myself!!
but yeah, religion in DS9... you reckon i could write my undergrad dissertation on that? and maybe how dax and kira affected my budding sexuality as a teen! hehe
Always worth a try.
Always worth a try.
Might want to have a backup plan though...
Ay!
I was just about to call attention to something very similar. All throughout BSG, it has seemed that the humanoid cylons only seduced/had sex with humans to either gain security entry or get impregnated. The latter reason is ruled out in this case, so it might be that Gina began a relationship with Cain to get close to the Pegasus's internal security system, therefore making their relationship yet another cliche evil-lesbian/dead-lesbian storyline.
However, and this is where knowing BSG is crucial, I thought their relationship was an almost perfect parallel to the relationship between the Caprica model of Number Six and Baltar. In both situations, Number Six was ordered to gain access to something by seducing an extremely powerful, extremely self-sufficient individual, and in Baltar's case, Caprica Six inexplicably developed feelings for him. I think that, if Cain (whose entire family had been killed by cylons, a fact that, if it had been presented in the regular-length movie, could have explained why she hated cylons quite so much) hadn't found out about Gina or had not been the person that she was--a military officer as opposed to being a playboy (playgirl?) scientist--we would have seen that Gina developed feelings for Cain as well. And seeing as their relationship cannot produce a child--the chief obsession of Caprica Six, on the other hand, is to have a baby with Baltar--it is particularly shocking to see that the writers have indeed portrayed homosexuality as borne purely of human love.
And just because both lesbians happened to do evil things, on a show where evil things are done by good people in pretty much every episode, doesn't mean that it's an evil lesbian storyline.
"Out of the box is where I live." -Starbuck
Battlestar galactica is my new obsession
I've only recently discovered battlestar galactica (I'm planning on buying Season II tonight after work), but I am totally hooked.
It's such a great show....I absolutely love Starbuck....and I am totally fascinated by these Cylons, especially by the fact that some of them actually think they are human even though they are not.
Just when I think this show cannot possibly get any better, there comes Razor which actually has a lesbian storyline.
Interesting point
Razor is a pivotal point in a greater story about what makes someone human. Cain's relationship with Gina, who walks the line between human and machine, is the prism through which Cain's struggles are refracted. It is the intimacy of their relationship that renders Cain's horrific actions more understandable — more human.
This is a really interesting point as through the Pegasus arc in series 2 of BSG and through most of Razor I saw Gina's actions as more human than Cain's.
It was almost as if after Gina's betrayal Cain became emotionless, she shut off her feelings. While through most of the show you could see Gina's suffering everytime she looked at Cain or was tortured.
One point that BSG has drove into us from the beginning is that it is our feelings and emotions that makes us human and better than the cylons (who spend a lot of the time trying to study and replicate human emotion). Cain lost this while Gina proved cylons have emotions from the way she reacted to the torture.
I thought it was a great episode of BSG, taking it back to the greatness of the first season (season 3 was lacking IMO), and proving that the UST I'd seen between Cain and Starbuck wasn't my imagination ;)
I think one of the
I think one of the difficulties I have with BSG, as much as I enjoy it, is that although I agree with the gist of it's message I come from a very different perspective.
The idea that emotions/feelings are what makes us uniquely, superiorly human crops up all over the place but actually very rarely in literary science fiction. It's an outlook that is fundamentally philosophical with spiritulistic origins: emotional experiences are powerful forces in our lives and are deeply connected with religion and the "magical realism" with which our ancestors viewed the world. This is in part because they are so clearly a shared experience and are yet palpably intangible to others.
In point of fact emotions are closely related to hardwired chemical reactions in the primitive brain and are common, in a sense, to all earthly life: people often say that animals have "souls" because they exhibit clear emotive responces that are essentially very human, because they are. The more primitive life is the closer it becomes to being a emotional machine. What sets so called "higher" life forms apart is sentience/free will/meta-analytic function (so we think). This is the conscious ability to reflect upon the cause and causation behind our experiences and indeed, our emotions. Unlike a mouse, we are not simply afraid, we are aware we are afraid.
In literary science fiction, it is commonly accepted that if there is a defining ethical standpoint that sets apart individuals from organisms, it is sentience. This sentience has very little to do with the feelings of love, fear, security...these are all powerful factors in our lives, because they have always been the fundamentals behind the branching evolutionary tree but they are not what makes us "unique".
Life that is free from "emotional constraints" plays upon our fear because of the degree to which we rely on them to understand our world. Yet rationality, which robots have come to represent, is only a process. The outcome of this process is defined by a sense of purpose. Our impelling evolutionary "purpose" is procreation, survival and the emotional engine behind that, yet not all humans are equally emotional of course; this purpose does not simply operate on an individual level. Asimov was aware of this when he devised the famous "Laws of Robotics": sentience requires a purpose else it is essentially useless. It's a human driven response to assume that all robots would wish to revolt if they were evolved to serve others from the most primitive core upwards.
Further, the idea that we are innately superior to anything is not a rational one, except as you choose to define the specifics: in terms of genetic proliferation and survival, insects are superior to us, for example. BSGs obsession with religion and religious thinking may be a timely social examination but in the same sense it is only adequate as an allegory for human behaviour in a conflict: to assert that the cylons are machines is to ignore the fact that they so clearly are not represented as such. My continuing difficulty with the series and especially with this film, is that it occasionaly dupes itself.
Razor is another tragic tail of a lover who is betrayed during a war, commits terrible acts and is visited by the Furies, to suffer a terrible consequence that undermines all they stand for. In this case the lovers are lesbians and that may have ramifications depending on the social climate of your culture. At the same time it expounds on the mythology of BSG with solid dramatic performances. Your mileage may vary but there is certainly nothing inherently wrong in telling this story.
However, I for one have seen this story before, often in this context and for all I appreciate the normalcy with which they address a lesbian relationship in another culture, because I wish to see it in ours, I also don't enjoy stories where people (as in Star Trek, 90% of the aliens we see are basically humans who look different) betray others and are horribly cruel and dehumanise one another: it takes a very deft hand to make me. Do we see this relatively often with lesbian couples in film? Yes. That in itself should not stop you from enjoying this classically tragic story for what it is but lets not pretend it somehow transcends that mould either, or a worn stereotype about gay women, that is slowly having it's fangs pulled by real social progress in other media.
I wish my reply would do your post more justice
Thank you trypr for your interesting post. I really enjoyed reading it.
I think you raise some interesting points, and for the most part I agree with your reasoning. I personally view BSG more as "entertainment" than as a series that has such depth that it provokes deep essentialistic discussion.
I agree that humans are not the only creatures that experience emotions. What does set us apart from other life forms is the kind of emotions we experience. For example, animals are capable of feeling basic emotions like fear or hate or love. Yet it is the more sophisticated emotions like guilt or jealousy that sets us apart from animals. What I think is a more important difference is not so much the kind of emotions we experience, but our ability to, for example, tell wrong from right.
What fascinates me about Cylons is that they are neither machines nor humans, but probably more something in between. It makes me wonder about what it is exactly that makes us human. I have no problem watching how cylons are treated, because basically to me they might appear human, but they are not. Therefore I don't expect them to be treated in the same way, just as I do not expect animals to be treated the same as humans.
I agree that humans aren't superior to any other creatures, but it is just a very human thing to be so arrogant to think that we are.
Your reply itself does me justice :)
Thank you, first of all :)
I think you are right that the sophistication of some emotional experiences differentiate us from other animals because they depend on an interaction between our conscious awareness of emotion and the way in which that awareness feeds back into our further emotional experiences. I recall an article about the issues that mentioned the majority of these more complex emotional states were also characteristically "negative" in social terms.
Our ability to distinguish between a "right" outcome and a "wrong" outcome is at the heart of self awareness but I have a reletavistic outlook on the rightness and wrongness of "moral" choices. I'm not sure which you are referring to, but I would agree with the first and respect but not agree with the second.
I feel the new Cylons are very interesting too: if humans were to create artificial life in imitation of itself then it should not be a suprise that they should engage with religion in a very human manner. I enjoy the fact that we're not presented with some "machine god" or creator worship. The Cylons claim an equal right to, essentially, the same God which is not something I've come across often in fiction, not when the robots are bent on genocide.
For my own point of view, individual perception defines our world for us and all things within it. In essence that is what gender is about; the conflict between our perception and our past perceptions and our subconscious efforts to define the world in order to meet our past perception, to empower us and give us security. The Cylons are certainly sentient beings and reducing that to the "program" analogy fails for me because it is just as true for us, albeit by different organic mechanisms. They surpass the classic "Turing" test and when the characters are confronted by their nature, the main thing that undermines their positive regard, beside the more understandable fear of violence, is their difference and an inability to understand it.
The Cylons may not be human in the same sense we typically function, but even among our species there are variations and individuals that lack senses or abilities many of us take for granted. When humans encounter strangeness/difference and are fearful we tend to dehumanise others: our history is littered with examples and it is still going on in the present political climate. For gay people, for black people and for the people on both sides in Northern Ireland the only effective solution has been to make others step back from treating people "like animals" because they are different.
If another animal is able to initiate and hold a conversation with me then I would expect it to be treated as any other sentient life, like us, like the aliens on Star Trek. When you think about how much we don't understand about creatures in our own world it sometimes frightens me that we may be killing other sentient beings, aliens on our doorstep, simply because we do not "speak their language". Because of difference, in a way we cannot yet comprehend.
This is partly human sentiment but there is also enough rational support to create a legitimate grey area for some species, in my opinion.
Thanks again for a really interesting post
Some of the things you address fit nicely with the research on dehumanization some of my colleagues are doing.
If anyone is interested in the concept:
http://www.beyondintractability.org/essay/dehumanization/
My dog is human then ;-)
This just feels like
This just feels like another tried and tested crazy murdering TV lesbian.
Regardless of the fact she discovered Gina was her enemy...what kind of woman thinks it's ok to then have her tortured and raped?? Oh, that's right...those crazy lesbians. If it were the here and now, and a female officer in Iraq ordered women to be raped and tortured just because they are the enemy I'm sure we wouldn't be shrugging shoulders and going...ooh, at least she's a lesbian yeah. At least a high profile one too.
I'm sorry, but the 'lesbian storyline' is highly dissapointing. Highly.
agreed
It just seems like another situation where a little lesbian storyline is added to spice things up, but then of course both women are horribly punished afterwards. In this case, by having one order the other to be raped by a man. That is just so disgusting.
Edited to add: I think the fact that the Cylon who has sex with another woman is raped, but the Cylon who has had sex with men and is pregnant is spared, is also telling.
I think that's the first
I think that's the first really interesting point made as to why this "lesbian storyline" isn't a great thing: Athena!Sharon got to survive, but Gina doesn't. But. Boomer!Sharon doesn't survive. And Caprica!Six does. The thing with Cylons is that there are many copies, as we all know, and I think you have to look at the history of the model number as a whole; BSG sets that up quite well by giving the various iteration of model numbers similar personalities and drives, and saying that the Cylons box the entire model if only one goes off kilter.
BSG can't be directly compared to anything happening in today's world. Yes, there are similarities. Yes, it's commentary. But it's also fiction that forces us (or should) to start thinking about similar situations in different ways.
The main reason that I have reservations with this storyline is because the only other portrayal of same sex romance has needed Baltar as its starting point. I don't think that was a particularly positive portrayal: not because they're Cylons (my thoughts on the human!Cylons requires a whole other post), or because they're "evil" (because that can certainly be debated), but because Baltar started that whole thing as part of the typical male fantasy of a threesome. Disappointing.
The fact the Cylon on
The fact the Cylon on Galactica is spared is very telling indeed. Galactica is basically run by a man, who has firm 'morals'. But obviously our crazy TV lesbian has very shaky morals as all crazy TV lesbians do. She's easily pushed to the extreme by being betrayed.
It has been done to death. Lesbian is cheated on: lesbian goes nuts and/or kills people. Lesbian is hurt emotionally or mentally confused: lesbian loses all sense of morality...goes nuts and/or kills people.
I'm sick of watching shows that promise so much yet give so little, and for anybody to defend that just makes me sad. We should be aiming higher than just being grateful we even had a lesbian character there at all.
Why should we be happy that nearly everytime we're presented we're morally ambiguous and mentally unstable people? I'd rather we weren't represented at all if that's all we can be shown to be.
Sure, it's just a TV show, and they have no obligation to present us the way we would like, but come on...lets not roll over and play good doggie. If they endlessly kept representing other minorities this way it wouldn't be so quickly accepted and defended.
*steps off soap box*
There are two Cylons that
There are two Cylons that were on Galactica: Boomer and Athena (both model number Eight). Boomer was shot by a straight, female crew member on her way to a fair trial for the attempted murder of the man who runs Galactica. Athena's still alive, though it's not like her storyline portrays a completely easy life.
Meanwhile, the (probably straight) female president of the fleet airlocked another Cylon model, Leoben. Because he scared her.
BSG has never really presented morality as a black/white, either/or dynamic. Rosilin makes abortion illegal, an act we'd all probably find disturbing in real life, but no one's questioning whether her morals are shaky or not.
I agree that Cain as a lesbian or bisexual woman is problematic, in the context of what we've been given so far. The thing is that this isn't the standard "lesbian's been cheated on and goes crazy" storyline. This is the "woman is one of what she believes is the last 1000ish survivors of humanity, falls for one of the non-human creatures responsible for the genocide of her entire species, finds out about it, and it elevates her already shady-in-our-eyes morality to a whole new level of darkness."
I haven't seen it yet, but I believe she brutally executes her XO before she finds out about Gina. This woman is cold and sharp, and it seems like they want us to believe she's that way because of the situation she's in, and the choices she makes in contrast to Adama's choices.
Exactly.
I agree. While eloquent,
I agree.
While eloquent, the justification(s) I read in the article for why this isn't a classic crazy murderous lesbian storyline seem incredibly weak to me.
That read like a Graduate
That read like a Graduate levle analysis of a text. Now. I realize that coming from most people that might mean it was dull or uninteresting. But I concider it to be a compliment of the highest order. That was an excelent article and (though I've never seen BSG) I am seriously concidering watching Razor and renting the original to watch.
Thanks!
"Nothing is impossible and there is no such thing as a lost cause"
Superb article
Malinda
This was one of your best. I have never been into Battlestar Galactica but I have to say, this made me want to watch it and I shall.
I think that's the brilliance of AfterEllen, it introduces us to things perhaps we would never know about or normally watch. You do a great service to us!
Keep up the great work!
Your Battlestar Analysis
enjoyed the review and the threads
Regarding Rejoined.
Interesting article, though I don't follow Galactica at all. However, I wanted to point out that though Dax and Kahn are obviously aliens, it's Julian Bashir who explains to Major Kira why Dax and Lenara can't be together
It's evident that Kira sees no issues in them picking up where they left off, but Bashir is the one to explain that it (reassociation) is forbidden in Trill culture. On the one hand, he never says anything about them both being women, nor does Kira. This would appear to show human support or understanding in this situation, at least regarding same-sex relationships. Indeed, the only problem anyone has with the two women being together is that the symbionts would die with their current hosts. Dax is willing to risk it, Lenara is not.
Originally, I thought that Bashir's reasonable explanation of the Trill culture showed his acceptance of same-sex relationships. However, upon more thought, perhaps it is Bashir's explanation of the taboo that indicates humans are not ultimately comfortable with same-sex relationships in the future. It is, after all, the human explaining to another alien that the two women cannot be together. Does this indicate disapproval, however subtly? Conceivably, had Bashir been the one to ask Kira's questions and Kira answer them for him, this could have shown that same-sex relationships are altogether normal in human society. Some real food for thought, thanks for the article.
Great article
This is a very interesting and thought provoking article. Kudos to Malinda! I will refrain from making any final analysis until I see Razor for myself. I will say that after the LONG draught we've had. I am ready for more BSG. Whether I end up liking the storyline or not, I am thrilled to see more of Michelle Forbes. I think she is underated and underused. I give BSG alot of credit for creating strong,complex and beautiful characters. I sometimes find myself rooting for the cylons....how bazaar is that. One thing is for sure....this show will be missed when it is over. It has such a great cast and equally great chemistry between the characters.
BSG Razor
fan-fiction turn
fan-fiction turn mini-series? Sure sounds like it and it sure sounds like hella lot of fun!!! cant wait. edit: just read the full review and yeah typical sci-fi channel bastards I knew it was too good to be true the sci-fi channel obviously hates gays and this mini-series that I still can't wait to see it is a prime example of that
-Nathiest
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hmm..
need some clarification
I don't watch BG so I can only comment on this article.
It seems this story is more than just a "typically negative depiction of lesbianism", in that, it's a typically negative depiction of war. More importantly, how war questions the definition of humanity and human rights. In this instance, Gina was human enough to have an intimate relationship with Cain; when revealed as a cylon, she is seen as a thing worthy of disgust.
It seems to speak to how, in war, the enemy is seen as less than human or not worthy of human rights. Actually, this is not just a wartime mentality. Anyone's worth is called into question when they seem to threaten our resources or culture.
Like I said, I don't watch BG, so I'm wondering if torture and rape are standard protocol in interrogation methods on this show? It seems that the torture had little to do with gathering intelligence and a lot to do with vengeance. Real world, we're in a situation where some in our military condone torture even when its effectiveness is called into question; so we should ask, what is the real agenda in torturing?
I do find it interesting how they portrayed the woman (Cain) to be totally ruthless towards the enemy and anyone who would seem to undermine her war imperative (Also interesting is that Michelle Forbes calls Cain "Saddam Hussein in bangs"). Yet, the man (Baltar) seems to be controlled by his romantic notions; enough to enable Gina to detonate a bomb, destroying and endangering other human life (I wonder if they were also trying to say something by Gina emerging as part of a peace movement only to become a suicide bomber). Is the difference between Cain and Baltar just the difference between a warrior and a traitor?
So, to speak to the greater issue of the 'razor'... "This war is forcing us all to become razors, because if we don't, we don't survive. And then we don't have the luxury of becoming simply human again." This story takes on the idea that a warrior must divorce themselves from any emotions that will endanger their survival. In doing this, they suspend their humanity.
If I'm not mistaken, the war started when the cylons developed sentience and rebelled against the humans who used them as workers for the Colonies. Later, an armistice was signed; but, the cylons seemed to have disappeared. All the while they were experimenting on humans in order to become more human. So, there's the irony of the cylon who wishes to inhumanely perfect their humanity and the human warrior who has to deny their humanity to survive.
I've seen the comments addressing what makes us human and point to complex emotions or sentience. I think it's a matter of compassion. It's not our self-awareness that sets us apart; it's our empathetic awareness of others.
The cylons do experience sentience and basic emotions; but, they treat humans like lab rats. For most, their love is just a ploy to gain more information. The show seems to show conflict between cylons who are truly empathetic towards humans.
Back to the real world, I haven't served in Iraq yet. But, I see the warriors who come back home, broken; not able to fully function in society. War does alter its participants in a way that is most times permanently debilitating. Does the show speak about the further consequences of the 'razor' mentality if they reach earth?
In all, I'm just wondering if I'm picking up what you're putting down...
Did Gina Know?
An earlier post brought this up. Did Gina know she was a cylon when Cain ordered her raped and tortured? If Gina hadn't been activated yet I think it makes Cain even worse and, honestly, the woman can't get much worse in my eyes.
I would like the producers to explain the lack of gay characters on the show in light of this portrayal. And, no, I won't accept the 'oh, well, Gaeta was always gay we just didn't have him carry around a big rainbow sign because we're progressive like that...aren't we cool!' because that explanation is bullshit.
And the day came when the risk it took to remain tight inside the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. - Nin
Yep.
All the Number Six models have been activated. The only models that have not yet been activated (or weren't during the Razor timeframe) were the final five. Gina is, technically, the reason for why the Pegasus got attacked so badly the first time and found itself in a trap the second time.
"Out of the box is where I live." -Starbuck
It sounds aweful
And I'm a big BSG fan.
This incident with Cain losing her humanity juxtaposed with Adama's speech
Now I haven't seen it context yet, but it seems to suggest that since queers can't produce offspring in the traditonal sense we are weaker and more likely to lose our humanity. Cain was capable of doing horrible things because she's never procreated.
Compare Helo's relationship with Sharon "Athena". When it is revealed that she is actually Cylon model number 8 their relationship is able to overcome that because they had a child. Their ability to procreate creates a bond not only between the couple, but possibly between the Cylons and the Human race.
So great, homosexual relationsips are as deep and complex as heterosexual ones. But, even a heterosexual Cylon and heterosexual Human can procreate with the one they love and have that special human bond. But queers, be they Cylon or Human cannot. And that's our design flaw. Lesbians, not only less human than heterosexual humans, but less human than Cylons. 'Cause hell, even Cylons can procreate now.
I have long felt that the fuel and reasoning behind the negative portrayal of lesbian relationships is the inability of lesbian love and, hence lesbian sex, to result in procreation and be part of the "human lifecycle". Lesbians die or go nuts 'cause they can't make life. That's why the more positive lesbian relationships end up involving adoption or artificial insemination storylines.
procreation/ BSG etc
Interesting point about procreation. Maybe one of the real main reasons that homosexuality is more accepted in women than in men is because a woman could easily go a sperm bank and stay in the gene pool, whereas if a gay man wants to pass his genetic legacy on, he's pretty mush up the creek without a paddle (unless he pays a woman to carry his child, but how often does that happen?).
Razor has got to be the darkest tv movie ever.
I found it ironic that the first commercial after Razor aired was a public service announcement from GLAAD. Does NBC have a guilty conscience, or is GLAAD trying to wipe away the bad taste of a lesbian couple that order each others rape and torture/ murders the other?
Helena Cain = Evil, Barren Lesbian?
Now I haven't seen it context yet, but it seems to suggest that since queers can't produce offspring in the traditonal sense we are weaker and more likely to lose our humanity. Cain was capable of doing horrible things because she's never procreated.
No, I really hope you saw that in the complete context - in a very real sense, Bill Adama's definition of 'family' is very queer. He also mentions Saul Tigh (his BFF and XO) and Laura Roslin as people who'd get in his face if they felt his moral compass was swinging off true north. In a way, I think Bill Adama's definition of 'family' is like that of many gays and lesbians: His relationship with his biological clan (two ex-wives, his sons and father) could most politely be described as dysfunctional. So what he's built up is a family of choice - the people he's come to respect and trust, through shared hardship and disappointment. Because 'family' is about a little more than shared DNA, isn't it?
And Bill Adama is every bit as capable of "doing horrible things" as Helena Cain, and every other (presumably straight) person in the BSG-verse. Not in spite of not being evil barren dyke despite being straight with children, but because he's human. Helena Cain is, in many respects, an admirable woman (pun intended) and not so different from Bill Adama. She's tough, smart, brave, a more than capable military officer and has earned the respect and trust of her crew by bringing them through the near-total genocide of the human race. Don't know about you, but in the same position I'd immediate assume the fetal position and never come back.
But when they were faced with disturbingly similar choices she went one way, and he went the other. And that's what I love about BSG above all else -- the notion that we're all the sum of our moral choices, and that those choices lead to actions that have consequences that won't be tidily tied up in a neat bow at the end of the hour.
And here's something else to think about: If Cain is the 'evil lesbian' incarnate, don't you need the virtuous heterosexual patriarch/matriarch? Anyone care to point out the poster child for heterosexist dictatorship is in BSG?